Poll: Does the staff care?

[mikemandella]

I think they do! simple yes/no

[Jib]

yes

[Colgate]

no

i have no idea what would give you the idea that they do after 3 years of this shit

[Bazia]

id say they care they just dont have any time to put effort towards it

kinda annoying though our last 7 dedicated red gms have converted to hand holding blue petitions

not sure why that keeps happening

[mikemandella]

Whenever we have had them in TS they get real excited about oldschool PVP on rallos zek.. Was Rallos Zek really ever this bad? I never played live PVP. I mean was the top guild there really killing all the dragons between 5 am and 9am with 1/2 of the server population?

[heartbrand]

Rallos had little to no pvp as engaging in pvp put you on blacklist

[Haynar]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

[BeautBabeC]

Ya Rallos was boring compared to TZ. Staff cares I'm sure they just don't want to dedicate more of their lives to a server filled with whiny bitches (not pointing a finger at you).

[Colgate]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

pras

[emperorsalty]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2062830336/hA581B80D/

[Dullah]

Rallos had little to no pvp as engaging in pvp put you on blacklist

Rallos had guild v guild and alliance v alliance pvp which were all anti-pk and were politically driven. Then everyone would pvp against the random PKs.

Unlike red where you just kill any person you see in range, rallos was civilized where you only fought people for a reason, not just to get YT or your name on some leaderboard.

[Bazia]

probably because you didnt go through 2-3 week droughts of pvp due to low population

[Pudge]

they care. they just have lives.

but this community isn't really one that inspires exceptional efforts to please...

[freez]

no

i have no idea what would give you the idea that they do after 3 years of this shit

[freez]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2062830336/hA581B80D/

[Super Hater]

they care. they just have lives.

but this community isn't really one that inspires exceptional efforts to please...


Couldn't have been better put.
They are extremely open minded and cool peeps for even putting up with all of you.



Very distasteful thread and poll too IMO.

[Smedy]

i think they care but they have boxed themselves into a corner, there's absolutely no way of pleasing everyone anymore.

make new box : make nihilum lobbists and donators angry
keep old box: make everyone outside nihilum angry
make red99 better: red99 gains pop and nihilum recruits 80% of them in order to keep securing dominance

endless circle of shit

[watbab]

They certainly seem to care, but their solutions to this server's problems are puzzling to say the least.

[freez]

i think they care but they have boxed themselves into a corner, there's absolutely no way of pleasing everyone anymore.

make new box : make nihilum lobbists and donators angry
keep old box: make everyone outside nihilum angry
make red99 better: red99 gains pop and nihilum recruits 80% of them in order to keep securing dominance

endless circle of shit

[Musetii]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

Sarcasm? Can't really tell tbh

[Rheon]

Rallos had guild v guild and alliance v alliance pvp which were all anti-pk and were politically driven. Then everyone would pvp against the random PKs.

Unlike red where you just kill any person you see in range, rallos was civilized where you only fought people for a reason, not just to get YT or your name on some leaderboard.

^There was tons of PvP on Rallos..it just wasn't a random Zergfest like it is here on red because there arn't as many guilds here on R99 as there were on Rallos. If you randomly ganked someone that was in a large guild or alliance guild then you got blacklisted by those guilds. Guilds fought with each other for raid targets regularly in a similar bitter fashion as to what occurs here but back then we were paying money to play the game so reason had to prevail eventually if anyone ever wanted to complete a raid again in peace.

Here nobody gives a fuck because its not costing them anything to waste someone else's time by being disruptive if they cant agree on a problem.

To answer the question, I'm sure the GM's do care but there probably isn't enough staff available to be dedicated to the constant issues that they are asked to deal with on RED..

[Tradesonred]

Rallos had little to no pvp as engaging in pvp put you on blacklist

Not sure what era HB played in but certainly not 2001-2002

Crushbone had constant PVP, always

Same with Thurgadin

The pop was high enough that you always had a list of guild tags to kill, FOH, Darkenbane, black claws, Artful death etc, etc... even if you played it anti-PK

http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/allguilds.php

The fact that this isnt plainly obvious to HB makes me doubt he even played EQ prior to shadows of Luclin. You either were in a PK guild and PKed whoever you wanted or you were an anti-PK with a guild tag list, a neverending sequence of PVP target opportunities, every day.

[Mac Drettj]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

be careful, they might see too many changes on red and start ignoring you until you quit

[Nirgon]

Whatever Haynar does, I hope he does not ever walk down a path where he leaves before the shit is classic. At least for blue.

[Kergan]

RZ in the same era (i.e. Kunark) had less PVP then here, end of story. If you think otherwise then you were probably spending a lot of time in Crushbone, Unrest, Misty Thicket, etc.

[Tradesonred]

RZ in the same era (i.e. Kunark) had less PVP then here, end of story. If you think otherwise then you were probably spending a lot of time in Crushbone, Unrest, Misty Thicket, etc.

Library in TOFS had pvp, Thurgadin had pvp, Everfrost, Oasis.... just everywhere

Of course if you were neckbearding up in raids and doing nothing but that, maybe then, i had too much fun fucking around in low levels that i only reached 44 before i quit. Thats what im aware of, the 1-40 bracket during Velious era, there was tons of pvp, especially compared to what classic looked like here with xp in loss in pvp which had most people avoiding pvp to race to 50.

[Dullah]

EverQuest was not counterstrike with elves as people like to pretend it is here. As such, live Everquest on rallos zek was more good vs evil, order vs discord than it was about wasting entire days trying to kill as many people as possible for no reason in a game where dying sucks and is very likely to cause your opponent to log out for the day after a few deaths. Bear in mind, that even with item loot, the average player did not engage in random PKing.

If it wasn't for stupid LNS rules on this box, you'd see players police the server the way like it was on live and a better environment for everyone. Instead of having faggots plugged in and out of populated areas that log in every 30-1hr just to gank/grief someone and call LNS when it goes sour, never actually contesting a dungeon or raid, players like me would wait for them and sit on their corpse until it rots so everyone else can have fun.

[Mac Drettj]

tbh LnS is a necessary evil

otherwise i could farm a newbie trying to move on with his life

[Dullah]

Reasonable LNS is a no brainer, it was always that way. Enforcing LNS for a player that is hellbent on griefing the general population of a box should make them an obvious exception, and fair game for counter terrorism.

[heartbrand]

EverQuest was not counterstrike with elves as people like to pretend it is here. As such, live Everquest on rallos zek was more good vs evil, order vs discord than it was about wasting entire days trying to kill as many people as possible for no reason in a game where dying sucks and is very likely to cause your opponent to log out for the day after a few deaths. Bear in mind, that even with item loot, the average player did not engage in random PKing.

If it wasn't for stupid LNS rules on this box, you'd see players police the server the way like it was on live and a better environment for everyone. Instead of having faggots plugged in and out of populated areas that log in every 30-1hr just to gank/grief someone and call LNS when it goes sour, never actually contesting a dungeon or raid, players like me would wait for them and sit on their corpse until it rots so everyone else can have fun.

Highly disagree with 2nd paragraph. The only self policing is trolls on fungi tunic alts corpse camping newbs off the box to be faggots. There's zero self policing in effect here. The non existence of LNS rules before hand basically discouraged any mass pvp as losing meant you might not get your corpse for days, as a couple of bards camping outdoor zones could shut down your CR forever. Nihilum views basically everyone else as boxing cheaters, true or not, and believe everyone else has it "coming to them". Either way doesn't really matter, it's not like there's that much PVP here to begin with for this to be an issue anymore.

[Dullah]

Theres truth to that, but when I say those things I think more high level scene. Honestly I've never called LNS on this server under either ruleset and never had trouble getting my corpse when I die in pvp whether it was on a newbie or at high levels. If someone did camp a zone for hours and it was permissible, I'd simply camp those same players until their corpses rotted. I guess theres more discord than there is order tho than 15 years ago.

Its hard to deal with either way, my point is GMs have historically not had a balance on when to enforce rules and when not to. One day they drop the hammer the next day they let people skate for the same offense encouraging players to continue shitting up the box.

[heartbrand]

Ya I definitely agree with that part 100%. The original LNS rules where you could loot mid fight and expect your opponents to remember who died and who didn't were pretty retarded [even though RD exploited the fuck out of them]. I just strongly believe a basic LNS is needed due to the type of faggotry that is present on a low pop box where rep almost has zero meaning [especially since, unlike true classic EQ, you can keep creating new accounts and alts].

[Nirgon]

Heartbrand I see you have a new server coming up

When are you releasing the teams variant

Will the shit be classic

[heartbrand]

Heartbrand I see you have a new server coming up

When are you releasing the teams variant

Will the shit be classic

Effort is on removing non classic elements and getting resists / ac classic as possible atm before worrying about exact server rule set. The rule set is the easy part.

[Kergan]

AC is broke?

[heartbrand]

Not sure if trolling or not, but the way AC works on p99 is by no means classic whatsoever, and it seems to have little effect in PVP the way it should.

[Kergan]

A troll.

But honestly, I notice the difference fighting an iksar monk vs a level 60 warrior for example (on a 60 rogue).

[Brynnag]

Forgot to add poll option *who cares

[heartbrand]

A troll.

But honestly, I notice the difference fighting an iksar monk vs a level 60 warrior for example (on a 60 rogue).

It does seem to have an impact, but not nearly what it should be in my opinion at least.

[Mac Drettj]

the iksar monk your noticing avoidance

[Kergan]

Yeah but part of the AC formula is avoidance correct? The original devs didn't want to break down the stats individually to add some mystery, so the AC rating is a combination of a lot of things (which is why agi items add to ac).

Or am I just talking out my ass hole?

[Clark]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

Good man. Thanks for working on resists too they're in shambles since last patch.

[Tradesonred]

Highly disagree with 2nd paragraph. The only self policing is trolls on fungi tunic alts corpse camping newbs off the box to be faggots. There's zero self policing in effect here. The non existence of LNS rules before hand basically discouraged any mass pvp as losing meant you might not get your corpse for days, as a couple of bards camping outdoor zones could shut down your CR forever. Nihilum views basically everyone else as boxing cheaters, true or not, and believe everyone else has it "coming to them". Either way doesn't really matter, it's not like there's that much PVP here to begin with for this to be an issue anymore.

The problem with looking at it this way is youre looking at the server from the point where it was cleaned of most of its non-toxic population. We'll never know what the server might have looked like if the griefer zerg that was holocaust was nipped in the bud by starting the server without xp loss in pvp.

First Holocaust the griefer zerg was dominant, then Nihilum the PVE zerg took over. There was never any breathing room for smaller guilds fighting back against a zerg that had as its stated goal to grief people off the server (and also led to Nihilum establishing that dominant position afterwards). That early fuck up kinda distilled the population to its purest, most asshole-ish state.

To be clear, this isnt Nihilum's fault. It was the devs who failed to see where xp loss in pvp would lead.

[Kergan]

You think they are worse since last patch? I'd argue they didn't shift the curve enough not the other way around.

[Kergan]

Library in TOFS had pvp, Thurgadin had pvp, Everfrost, Oasis.... just everywhere

Of course if you were neckbearding up in raids and doing nothing but that, maybe then, i had too much fun fucking around in low levels that i only reached 44 before i quit. Thats what im aware of, the 1-40 bracket during Velious era, there was tons of pvp, especially compared to what classic looked like here with xp in loss in pvp which had most people avoiding pvp to race to 50.

I said Kunark, not Velious. I left RZ before Velious hit, took a break and started up again when SZ was released.

[Potus]

To be clear, this isnt Nihilum's fault. It was the devs who failed to see where xp loss in pvp would lead.

Yeah the first day I logged in I was killed instantly at newbie spawn point by 3 gnome mages with pets. I later lost a ton of exp fighting dudes for kobolds and skeletons.

It was pretty obvious from the start that exp loss + no massive exp gain to compensate was a HORRIBLE idea. I really think the developers chose the worst fucking possible ruleset ever in EQ PvP history, which is laughable because Verant was woefully incompetent in regard to PvP.

[Nirgon]

naw

and

Yeah don't listen to box scum ideas (like xp loss on death). Keep classic.

[Tradesonred]

Yeah the first day I logged in I was killed instantly at newbie spawn point by 3 gnome mages with pets. I later lost a ton of exp fighting dudes for kobolds and skeletons.

It was pretty obvious from the start that exp loss + no massive exp gain to compensate was a HORRIBLE idea. I really think the developers chose the worst fucking possible ruleset ever in EQ PvP history, which is laughable because Verant was woefully incompetent in regard to PvP.

The worst part is they got repeatedly told where this would lead, rhetorical questions were asked, feedback was given and pretty much the only response these posts got from staff was like "lol, this isnt CoD".

[Tradesonred]

Bottom line is they dont play the server so they lack the perspective on knowing what works for a pvp server and they seem to have a hard time differentiating actual feedback vs feedback thats given because you have something to gain personally if what you are fighting for gets implemented. So they probably agreed with Nihilum's "feedback" back in classic that removing xp loss in pvp would lead to "bindrushing", this position allowing them to raid for a year+ without having to deal with being contested. It was pretty easy to think through that though, so they either didnt have time to give it some thought or did not give a fuck.

[Zade]

Stick Alecta, Haynar, and Nirgon in a room for a week with a few computers...

http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA4LzA1LzYyL2FuY2hvcm1hbi42NjJkYS5naWYKcA l0aHVtYgk4NTB4ODUwPgplCWpwZw/e36d14bd/1c0/anchorman.jpg

[Nirgon]

Can Haynar and I hang out in the room and ignore Alecta knocking until he goes away.

@ least I could coach one of the staff at playing EQ. You'd have 1 that is good at it amongst you.

Good to see you were stripped of your title for auto attacking me while Bundyquesting in OOT.

[Genedin]

Yeah the first day I logged in I was killed instantly at newbie spawn point by 3 gnome mages with pets. I later lost a ton of exp fighting dudes for kobolds and skeletons.

It was pretty obvious from the start that exp loss + no massive exp gain to compensate was a HORRIBLE idea. I really think the developers chose the worst fucking possible ruleset ever in EQ PvP history, which is laughable because Verant was woefully incompetent in regard to PvP.

Had I tried playing this server and lost exp from pvp death i would never have played here. There are some real sick fucks who grinded to 60 during those days

[Mac Drettj]

alecta would get griefed off server just like zade was

[Mac Drettj]

did* srry

[Kergan]

TBO classic EQ pvp was shoehorned in at the last minute and not really well thought out. Not sure duplicating it should be the priority.

Nirgon gonna hate me now. :(

[Tradesonred]

Had I tried playing this server and lost exp from pvp death i would never have played here. There are some real sick fucks who grinded to 60 during those days

Most people just ducked pvp. When i was trying to convince abysal (lead of old guild Founding fathers) to stop being a baby and start working with holocaust so we could contest Nihilum in fear, i was doing it halfheartedly because the thought of that extra grind just for a 10% chance to kill that zerg in fear... ughh. Also xp rate was more brutal back then to make matters worse if you liked to pvp.

My main fun in Rallos was to take my time leveling and put PVE on hold when fights would happen in Highpass or around the tunnel in EC, i really died inside a little when i kept playing on Red even though i knew PvP was reduced by alot, because of that PVE poop camp mechanic they implemented with xp loss. That was the big mistake, thinking people wouldnt be able to control camps without xp loss.

Gear progression would have been alot slower, when you would have that one piece of gear drop, you would have fought for it and earned it.

Its almost as if the staff got around a table and asked themselves how can we make sure theres as little pvp as possible on the box... oh yea lets put xp loss on pvp death.

[Kergan]

Less PVP? Can we re-implement it then?

[Haynar]

Stick Alecta, Haynar, and Nirgon in a room for a week with a few computers...

http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA4LzA1LzYyL2FuY2hvcm1hbi42NjJkYS5naWYKcA l0aHVtYgk4NTB4ODUwPgplCWpwZw/e36d14bd/1c0/anchorman.jpg
Oh hell no. Then ppl would see how slow I am.

Less talking.

More coding.

[Kergan]

Would you be able to share with us what PVP related items you are working on?

[Haynar]

alecta would get griefed off server just like zade was

And the key to this? I don't get on the server. Don't get on blue either for that matter.

If a I wanted to put up with a bunch of whiny pussies, I would go lead a girl scout troop.

H

[Kergan]

Talking like that will endear you to this community well done.

Not trolling.

[Haynar]

Would you be able to share with us what PVP related items you are working on?

Learning the resist code.

Putting equations in excel. Looking to see if its a little broke or a lot broke.

H

[Haynar]

Talking like that will endear you to this community well done.

Not trolling.

When you are walking with wolves, if you act like a sheep, you just end up a treat.

H

[Kergan]

Resist curve a tough one. Is the goal to make it classic or make it good?

[Haynar]

The goal is to make it better.

I can see what they were trying to do. But some cases like when a nuke has a stun component, its getting a double bonus to land.

The special spells should not get extra bonuses, that are cummulative. Looks like part of the problem.

H

[Kergan]

It would actually be nice if they were separated...like you can resist the stun portion but still take damage.

[Tradesonred]

Haynar keepin' it real

[quido]

I remember people saying that spells with multiple effects of different types would suffer multiple resist checks making the entire spell more likely to resist outright.

[Dullah]

Thats how its supposed to be. Spells that dmg/stun dot/push etc were easier to resist.

[Ames who?]

A double resist check should make the spell harder to resist when it has two components to it.

[Syft 2.0]

The goal is to make it better.

I can see what they were trying to do. But some cases like when a nuke has a stun component, its getting a double bonus to land.

The special spells should not get extra bonuses, that are cummulative. Looks like part of the problem.

H

Yea duel spells(stun+dmg) get double resist checks to fail not bonus's. It helps when you had players that actually pvp'd during these Era's to tell you how the spell settings should go.

1. Bard epic is still amplifying brusco's bombastic bellows giving a longer duration stun then a t-staff that is landing on people with 150+ mr which is less classic than warsong gulch.

2. Your spells with knockbacks I.E. Shock of lightning, mage magic nukes, necro poison bolts are set to about 25% effectiveness of live. People should not auto regain 75% of the time, takes 99% of the skill out of any caster class that has to time interrupts.

3. Vexing Mordania still shows no graphics on buff bar. Lighting bolt 16 lvl wizard spell still has no 1 sec stun attached.

And the list goes on and on, but it's not like i haven't posted all these before Numerous times! and it's not like it would require more than a digit change in spell tables to correct most of them.

[Dullah]

Two resist checks are more than one, not less. Exception was shock of lightning for whatever reason and a few other low level spells. Most spells that dmg+push or dmg+stun have double check = double resist chance.

[Syft 2.0]

Two resist checks are more than one, not less. Exception was shock of lightning for whatever reason and a few other low level spells. Most spells that dmg+push or dmg+stun have double check = double resist chance.

No shit genius that's what I just said, for example:

You cast a Marklars Clash, Wizard spell with dmg+ nuke, magic based. The target rolls one resist check vs dmg than another vs stun. Target has to lose both resist checks for the spell to land.

Sol landed like a lifetap everytime until POP era, partial ed on dmg all the time but always landed with knockback.

There was a reason why mages, and wizards kept there lvl 8-12 nukes mem'd for pvp.

[emperorsalty]

no

[Mac Drettj]

Word

[Sheriff]

I didn't really care before. But it's going to become my new side hobby, fixing stuff on red.

H

Pras

[Syft 2.0]

The goal is to make it better.

I can see what they were trying to do. But some cases like when a nuke has a stun component, its getting a double bonus to land.

The special spells should not get extra bonuses, that are cummulative. Looks like part of the problem.

H

The ironic thing is it would take less taps on the keyboard to fix what is wrong with the pvp coding than typing to us to tell us somebody gives a fuck.

[Eslade]

The ironic thing is it would take less taps on the keyboard to fix what is wrong with the pvp coding than typing to us to tell us somebody gives a fuck.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_makugrr4mL1r48sg4o1_500.jpg

[Dullah]

No shit genius that's what I just said, for example:



You'll notice our posts were simultaneous and my post was in context of the one before yours.

I think we're in agreement.

[Varren]

All you 'no's should quit whining and enjoy your free game. Gd

Staff has put so much time into this project. I can tell you one thing that would make me want to stop investing, though: my users being a bunch of unappreciative, whining, complaining bitches.

[Tradesonred]

All you 'no's should quit whining and enjoy your free game. Gd

Staff has put so much time into this project. I can tell you one thing that would make me want to stop investing, though: my users being a bunch of unappreciative, whining, complaining bitches.

The project is nothing if nobody plays it, besides some exercice in getting better at coding. I think ive been too hard on staff before, because it is a labor of love (at least i hope so), but at the same time theyve been very flippant about knowing better than people who play the server while repeating mistakes that anyone who has played the server even a little bit will make him/her stop and say "Hey, wait, no, dont do that, why? no! fuck, not again". That sort of arrogance that they dont need our feedback cuz they know better (This isnt CoD, etc). Granted this isnt the attitude we get from the staff all the time. You have some pretty hardcore sociopath trolls residencing in these parts, ill give em that though and probably would get me periodically cynical about the pop at some points as well i guess.

[Varren]

The project is nothing if nobody plays it, besides some exercice in getting better at coding.

That and a really fun game that many will play despite the whiners if only the staff doesn't pull the plug.

Pras the staff.

[Clark]

Hope so.

[Syft 2.0]

All you 'no's should quit whining and enjoy your free game. Gd

Staff has put so much time into this project. I can tell you one thing that would make me want to stop investing, though: my users being a bunch of unappreciative, whining, complaining bitches.

Maybe free for you but my donations give me the right to bitch!

[Haynar]

Maybe free for you but my donations give me the right to bitch!
Your donations give the right to know you contributed, to help keep the server running.

Excess bitching will get you put on ignore by me. If anything, throwing out there that donating is your justification that I should put up with additional attitude, is incorrect.

H

[Sektor]

Your donations give the right to know you contributed, to help keep the server running.

Excess bitching will get you put on ignore by me. If anything, throwing out there that donating is your justification that I should put up with additional attitude, is incorrect.

H

donations should be more than a csr staff saying to me good job, u feels?

[Nirgon]

Try this shit donating to something else, scums

High Priest is the most quality pal you could hope for to deal with you and actually take steps in the bold and classic direction

[Haynar]

When I found this place, I decided to try and learn eqemu code and to help out coding. After awhile the let me help. They still do.

I code because they let me. Simple as that.

H

[Mac Drettj]

Wonder why they didn't let Alecta

Alecta and Haydeezie together could stop world hunger and terrorism.

[Syft 2.0]

Your donations give the right to know you contributed, to help keep the server running.

Excess bitching will get you put on ignore by me. If anything, throwing out there that donating is your justification that I should put up with additional attitude, is incorrect.

H

Is it bitching to say the coding for pvp is off by a single digit change that could easily be fixed, but just get's left broken for years.

The biggest change I've ever seen came from Alecta my old Sullon Zek guildmate who was a dev for less than 3 months. And he left before he could finish all the work he was doing, implementing the new coding.

I'm sorry but that's just the truth.

[mtb tripper]

money

[Kergan]

Is it bitching to say the coding for pvp is off by a single digit change that could easily be fixed, but just get's left broken for years.

The biggest change I've ever seen came from Alecta my old Sullon Zek guildmate who was a dev for less than 3 months. And he left before he could finish all the work he was doing, implementing the new coding.

I'm sorry but that's just the truth.

Dude he can't hear you you're on ignore due to excess bitching, can't you read?

[Syft 2.0]

Dude he can't hear you you're on ignore due to excess bitching, can't you read?

Rather be ignored than everything i say be disregarded because I'm the laughing stock of the server! It's impossible for me to fail as big as you at anything.

[Kergan]

Pity reply.

[Syft 2.0]

Pity reply.

So socially inept you don't even know how to properly use FQ terms

[Super Hater]

So socially inept you don't even know how to properly use FQ terms

funny when people give you a pity reply within the same exact minute of your post and don't even realize how stupid they are. Its contradicting everything you're trying to say. failure to even sound it out in their heads and make sense of the expression before using it, just because they saw someone use the term.

Only dumb people do that shit. Lot of em here unfortunately...

[Syft 2.0]

funny when people give you a pity reply within the same exact minute of your post and don't even realize how stupid they are. Its contradicting everything you're trying to say. failure to even sound it out in their heads and make sense of the expression before using it, just because they saw someone use the term.

Only dumb people do that shit. Lot of em here unfortunately...

LOL I know they're fucken silly, you can't use pity reply after I just verbally picked him up and propped his anus on a spiked fence.

[mtb tripper]

money

[Kergan]

Was 14 minutes later, pity reply justified.

[mtb tripper]

ONE FUCKING WORD "MONEY"

[freez]

i gots the herps and a small asian wang.

pity reply