Shut down the casinos

[Swish]

Why?

1. http://i.imgur.com/apRp7TQ.gif

2. Someone else just got scammed out of a fungi in TunnelQuest. Rolled a 666 and the casino runner then got really unlucky with a freak thunderstorm and lost his connection.

Happens too often. Proof of why we can't have nice things :rolleyes:

Spare a thought for Kaedian, and send hate tells to Arrowed next time you see him on (if he ever comes back on).

[Tankdan]

If people are dumb enough to try a Casino they dont deserve to own a Fungi.

[baakss]

I was standing right there watching... the guy rolls 2 rolls out of his 3 in the span of about 3 seconds, and arrowed has time to read one roll and hit the "Guy loses" macro, but then LD's immediately after (plug pull).

[Pringles]

What?!?!?!? Casinos arent legit? Unpossible.

[Telemakus]

I was standing right there watching... the guy rolls 2 rolls out of his 3 in the span of about 3 seconds, and arrowed has time to read one roll and hit the "Guy loses" macro, but then LD's immediately after (plug pull).

inb4 perpetual "I'll deliver the tunic when we are both online next"

[baakss]

Here's why a GM should intervene in this case... because if you scam somebody in any other forum they will:

"Lately there have been people being trustful of handing over very valuable items to people they hardly know. In return these people are not giving the items back.

NEVER trust anyone to "hold" your items to give to another toon of yours UNLESS you know them. I don't mean " I met him the other day, he seemed cool as I buffed him in ec". A trusted guild member, or someone you personally know.

NEVER trust someone to "escrow" anything UNLESS you know them.

It is a huge pain in the ass to track these people down and ban them for scamming. I want to ban them since they are scum, but it's very time consuming and not the easiest thing in the world to track down.

Just don't do it.
"

[Oleris]

casino's should be licensed and be put on ghost ships that run in the international waters of Norrath.

[kevoh]

Wow, nice job Arrowed. Way to be a straight up faggot.

[Rec]

Just put the casinos into their own chat channel so I can put them on ignore.

[Porz]

Classic

[Lune]

How could anyone not see this coming?

[Oleris]

from user baaks from the RNF post.


http://i57.tinypic.com/jb204j.png

[Adolphus]

People who gamble 100% know its a scam. They just have money to burn. Same as it's always been. I dare anyone who doesn't know its a scam to speak up on the forum. It's like people who know that cigarettes will give you cancer ahead of time, yet still choose to smoke and then get cancer. Then they complain that they got cancer. It's just human nature to be stupid and gamble.

It's wrong for the GM's to waste even 1 second on this IMO.

[baakss]

from user baaks from the RNF post.


http://i57.tinypic.com/jb204j.png

Yeah, I regret not getting him LD in the screenshot, but honestly I spent some time laughing about it before I even thought to do so.

I watched the entire thing, and it was pretty indisputable. He had time to say "loses", the other roll was on screen, and then just sudden LD. Too coincidental.


Anyway, I do hope they come down on this guy for it. Think of how many people have spent money in that casino for him to pull something like that.

[Troxx]

Ban all accounts that have been associated with Arrowed's IP imo ...

[braxious]

ip bans are useless.... lets just post every character name associated with the account...or just ban him and give the guy his prize ....

[Troxx]

ip bans are useless.... lets just post every character name associated with the account...or just ban him and give the guy his prize ....

I don't mean ban his actual IP. Look up all accounts that have been logged into from the same IP as the offender and then ban them all. I suspect that this ass clown has a separate dedicated account for running scams like this (or else he's a retard).

Hit his primary accounts as well.

[proaero]

If people are dumb enough to try a Casino they dont deserve to own a Fungi.

well i wasnt that dumb, it was 600p for a small chance to win something i can A: REALLY use on my 30 monk main, and B: eventually sell or use again on another alt.

strangely i had this great feeling that i was going to win as i was formulating how many try's i wanted to purchase, 1-2 felt ok but i figured i had 3999p i could afford 600 theoretically, so i sent him a tell and said what i was giving him the money for, he accepted, i rolled two times and my mouth dropped and then so did his i bet and he insta LD'd

false hope is a bitch. still a small chance though but i wont hold my breath.

[braxious]

I don't mean ban his actual IP. Look up all accounts that have been logged into from the same IP as the offender and then ban them all. I suspect that this ass clown has a separate dedicated account for running scams like this (or else he's a retard).

Hit his primary accounts as well.


now we are talking :)

[proaero]

I give him a lil mercy for losing it so fast, its not his fault RNG sucks.

Im fine with a GM contacting him asking him to give the item he owes plus deleting his CoF or something else that will make him think twice about doing it again.

[Lopretni]

If people are dumb enough to try a Casino they dont deserve to own a Fungi.

[JRW928]

A player getting scammed by a casino= classic EverQuest. Don't like being scammed? Don't be a dumb ass.

[Olscratch]

Casinos are fun. I've paid out items money and items worth way more than a fungi and have been doing it for yeras. Pretty insulting to be grouped up with this scammer and to have calls for all gambling ops to be stopped.

-Reince

[Baler]

To receive your PLAT you must PLAY my game.

Risk = Plat

Pick One:
1. Send 50 K & I will send 300 K back!
2. Send 100 K & I will send 700 K back!
3. Send 200 K & I will send 2.2 Million back!
4. Send 500 K & I will send 8.2 Million back!

Brave? The more you RISK the more the Plat!

One Rule: You can only play once per day!
___________________________________
The moral of the story is that if something sounds too good to be true. It probably is.

[Stabulous]

I saw this guy spamming a lot, sad to see he took the low road. Hopefully GM's intervene with this one.

[Kaedain]

like its been stated before.. how can anyone not have seen this coming ?? everytime I saw him spam for this it always made me think of this exact situation, strange how it ACTUALLY went down like that

[Edge86]

I have seen this guy spamming his "casino" in EC for weeks. I wonder how much plat he made before this guy won and the "thunderstorm" knocked out his power. Hopefully there will be some repercussions, if not banned then at least destroy his Fungi/COF.

[Glenzig]

I have seen this guy spamming his "casino" in EC for weeks. I wonder how much plat he made before this guy won and the "thunderstorm" knocked out his power. Hopefully there will be some repercussions, if not banned then at least destroy his Fungi/COF.

What makes you think he even has a fungi or CoF?

[yorumi]

like its been stated before.. how can anyone not have seen this coming ?? everytime I saw him spam for this it always made me think of this exact situation, strange how it ACTUALLY went down like that

I can't say I'm surprised but statistically you're going to make like 10 times the current going rate of a fungi doing a casino. Granted I don't know what someone would do with all the money but if you didn't scam you could use one fungi, when someone finally wins it use a tiny fraction of the money to just buy another one and start the process over again. So it's actually rather stupid to scam with a casino, specially since on this server there's a good chance the gm's will do something about it.

[Edge86]

What makes you think he even has a fungi or CoF?

Because he wears them in the tunnel while running his "casino"

[Vega]

Because he wears them in the tunnel while running his "casino"

Yeah, if it's the same guy I'm thinking of, he invites you to inspect him to see that he's 'sincere'.

[Cecily]

I'd really like to run a casino on my main, but I have a feeling that'll end up with my rep ruined for something I didn't actually do because people kinda hate TMO and maybe me a little.

[Leopaz]

If no GM will ban 'em, at the very least I think it's fair to make public who all his characters are.

[Leopaz]

But before all that, people who use casinos are dumb. I hate casino spam, and my ignore list is probably full, since every time i see any casino spam i ignore that person

[Glenzig]

Yeah, if it's the same guy I'm thinking of, he invites you to inspect him to see that he's 'sincere'.

Ah. So he's a legit trustworthy scammer?

[iruinedyourday]

Very relevant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo)

[indiscriminate_hater]

Scamming's classic. Next.

[Teako]

Scamming's classic. Next.


Casino's aren't classic, as original EQ staff did not support in-game gambling, and all the scamming that came with it.


Next?

[indiscriminate_hater]

Casino's aren't classic, as original EQ staff did not support in-game gambling, and all the scamming that came with it.


Next?

I defer to your sig

[DarkwingDuck]

Casino's aren't classic, as original EQ staff did not support in-game gambling, and all the scamming that came with it.


Next?

Well maybe not velious, but they had it by the next 1 or 2 expansions heh

[Teako]

Is that somehow supposed to refute the point that Sony didn't support in-game gambling because they didn't want to have to raise the ESRB rating because of it?

Shits not classic.

[Nips]

I'd really like to run a casino on my main, but I have a feeling that'll end up with my rep ruined for something I didn't actually do because people kinda hate TMO and maybe me a little.

Straight tunneling is far more profitable and far less douchie, imo

[captnamazing]

Who says there is no PvP on blue?

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Why?

1. http://i.imgur.com/apRp7TQ.gif





Umm... I'm not sure who started the "Casino" deal on EQ, but I know I was running one in EC tunnels during the Kunark Era, and a little before on Tarew Marr. I know I was the first to have one there, but then like here... scammers started to pop up too often.

Myself Brunzil, and my best friend/neighbor growing up Mebarak had them running pretty much everyday early on, and even later in Bazaar. We even extended them to other servers by trading TM plat for other plat on other servers. Not sure who started them "officially," but we came up with the idea in 8th grade and never seen anyone have one going before.

So yea... it is classic.




People who gamble 100% know its a scam. They just have money to burn. Same as it's always been. I dare anyone who doesn't know its a scam to speak up on the forum. It's like people who know that cigarettes will give you cancer ahead of time, yet still choose to smoke and then get cancer. Then they complain that they got cancer. It's just human nature to be stupid and gamble.

It's wrong for the GM's to waste even 1 second on this IMO.


Wrong.

There are legitimate people who have ran them before, and will continue to.

Also, just because one smokes, doesn't guarantee you will get cancer... just as on EQ and gambling; it's not a guarantee you will get scammed. Both though are pretty high, and shouldn't risk either to be honest.

[Nocsucow]

we had a casino on bertoxx... then SoE put in there own casino during luclin so dont say it aint classic just because its wasnt on your server

[Cecily]

Straight tunneling is far more profitable and far less douchie, imo

I don't think it's douchie at all, and it's actually entertaining compared to watching auction text. I ran quite a few casinos on Bertoxx and lost a ton of cash to others as well. I think having reputable casinos to gamble from is something our server is sorely lacking. I'd personally feel better knowing that the plat I'm betting is going to a real character with a reputation, instead of a generic lv 1 here please steal my money toon.

[Rais]

Is that somehow supposed to refute the point that Sony didn't support in-game gambling because they didn't want to have to raise the ESRB rating because of it?

Shits not classic.

People on live ran casinos. Hell even in luclin they did the golden ticket loto.

[Portasaurus]

imho casinos are an important part of reinforcing the bustling "busy market" environment which contributes to immersion levels for TunnelQuest

not even joking

[Nips]

I don't think it's douchie at all, and it's actually entertaining compared to watching auction text. I ran quite a few casinos on Bertoxx and lost a ton of cash to others as well. I think having reputable casinos to gamble from is something our server is sorely lacking. I'd personally feel better knowing that the plat I'm betting is going to a real character with a reputation, instead of a generic lv 1 here please steal my money toon.

I ran casino on live too for a month or so. I realized pretty fast from doing it that 1 percent of my profits would come from casual folks and 99 percent of my profits would come from a very select group of people who clearly had gambling issues (and probably suffered from rl issues like depression and such). I didn't lose any sleep over it because obviously its just a game, but definitely wasn't something for me. And I do agree, it is more entertaining and easier than EC tunneling.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

99 percent of my profits would come from a very select group of people who clearly had gambling issues (and probably suffered from rl issues like depression and such). I didn't lose any sleep over it because obviously its just a game.


Wait wait wait... how are you drawing this assumption? Even as a psychologist, I would never had drawn that conclusion out because someone handed me X,XXX amount of pixels on a video game.

Were they extremely upset when losing? Did they spam PM you with hated texts? Would they sit in the corner writing sad poetry and listening to Alanis Morissette records?

I don't understand. I ran casinos since the beginning, possibly the first / one of the first, but most the people had fun; win or lose. It's just pixels in the end, what people do with them is their choice as long as you aren't violating any rules, so I don't understand how someone who uses a casino in-game has gambling issues in real life, or is ultimately in a state of depression. At that rate, they might as well have a drinking addiction as well. Most the time, they have too much of it to even care about.

[baakss]

Wait wait wait... how are you drawing this assumption? Even as a psychologist, I would never had drawn that conclusion out because someone handed me X,XXX amount of pixels on a video game.

Were they extremely upset when losing? Did they spam PM you with hated texts? Would they sit in the corner writing sad poetry and listening to Alanis Morissette records?

I don't understand. I ran casinos since the beginning, possibly the first / one of the first, but most the people had fun; win or lose. It's just pixels in the end, what people do with them is their choice as long as you aren't violating any rules, so I don't understand how someone who uses a casino in-game has gambling issues in real life, or is ultimately in a state of depression. At that rate, they might as well have a drinking addiction as well. Most the time, they have too much of it to even care about.


It's not just pixels. It's the time you spent to acquire them. It's the relationships you built in game. It's the ups and downs of wiping, winning, etc..

"It's just pixels" and you're a psychologist?? Sorry, I knew people who ruined their lives over this game in live. Lost families, dropped out of college, etc... and when you say "just pixels", it's an incredibly naive way of thinking about how people feel about their hobbies.

[kevoh]

HOLD THE PHONE THERES A PSYCHOLOGIST HERE!

[fastboy21]

Casinos and the idiots who play in them are classic. GMs helping said idiots is less classic. Banning idiots from being idiots is the opposite of classic.

[Nips]

Wait wait wait... how are you drawing this assumption? Even as a psychologist, I would never had drawn that conclusion out because someone handed me X,XXX amount of pixels on a video game.

Were they extremely upset when losing? Did they spam PM you with hated texts? Would they sit in the corner writing sad poetry and listening to Alanis Morissette records?

I don't understand. I ran casinos since the beginning, possibly the first / one of the first, but most the people had fun; win or lose. It's just pixels in the end, what people do with them is their choice as long as you aren't violating any rules, so I don't understand how someone who uses a casino in-game has gambling issues in real life, or is ultimately in a state of depression. At that rate, they might as well have a drinking addiction as well. Most the time, they have too much of it to even care about.

Has nothing to do with them handing me coin its me talking to them or talking to others that know them well. Once you learn some dark things about certain people, and then those same people come back constantly and go crazy at your casino, its hard to be too excited about running a casino. And I do agree, it's just pixels. If I cared more about them I'd probably be more likely to run a casino myself. That being said some people care a lot about their pixels.

[Cecily]

Yes, running a casino is being an agent of misfortune for the poor person who bets too much and loses it all. But you're also providing them with a chance to, in an instant, bypass an equal amount of time acquiring that plat. It's as beneficial as it is harmful. That's why gambling a controversial issue IRL. The difference being the fact that 45% odds of winning are waaaaaay better than most gambling odds in the real world.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

HOLD THE PHONE THERES A PSYCHOLOGIST HERE!

It's honestly nothing to fuss about. One can't do much with just a psych degree (unless you have at least your Master's) unless you want to deal with piss ant teenagers as a counselor... and at that point, I'd be dealing with the same kids I once was, that I've now grown to hate.



Has nothing to do with them handing me coin its me talking to them or talking to others that know them well. Once you learn some dark things about certain people, and then those same people come back constantly and go crazy at your casino, its hard to be too excited about running a casino. And I do agree, it's just pixels.


Or could be, because the reasons why they are so depressed and have these forms of addictions, also equate to them being on a video game so much, which is an addiction in itself, and/or a coping mechanism (was/is for me). Maybe that's why you see them so much? They're just there, always. Sounds, oddly a lot like me growing up, and even now to be honest.

If it led to them going out into the real world and going to a casino and blowing all their, or their childrens' college funds on blackjack then yea... stop, but they'd have more serious problems than gambling in a video game at that point.

I wouldn't feel bad about it... it is just pixels in reality; just don't stiff people. I'm gathering you haven't nor would you, so I wouldn't put too much thought into it. Can't lose what you don't bet, and no one is forcing them to.

[Scrubosaur]

What is nice about this server is that we have a great GM staff that can intervene. GM's can go back and read the chat, see the trade, see that the OP won and transfer the goods. When this happens it will merely lessen that amount of idiots who think they can scam currency via the casino because GM's will enforce the verbal (err written) agreement/terms of the deal. Casinos are classic as hell but I do remember a time during Luclin that GM's on Tholuxe-Paells posted a yellow message stating that people conducing casino's would be banned.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Casinos are classic as hell but I do remember a time during Luclin that GM's on Tholuxe-Paells posted a yellow message stating that people conducing casino's would be banned.

Oh yeah... there eventually were some on all servers, and just like here, certain people have used them as a scamming method. I remember the same messages being displayed on Tarew Marr / Drinal.

What I ended up doing at that point, was "raffle" off items. I'd collect enough money to cover said item cost (plus a smaller sum for myself; usually 10% cost of item) from X amount of players, and whoever has highest roll; wins. Also you could do a 50/50 like raffle, but nothing as extreme as the person holding the platinum taking HALF... maybe 10%? That's normally what I did.

Also, I did all these types of things on my main. Very reputable player, top guild on server, and not some random level 1.


Either way, I'd ban the twats who scam. No second chances. In this case, ban the account(s) / IP of the Fungi owner. Transfer fungi tunic to the person who "won" the item, and be done with it. It's really that simple.

[Cecily]

Just need a few very public bans to set an example and might be less of an issue.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Just need a few very public bans to set an example and might be less of an issue.

Sounds like now would be a good time to start.

I wouldn't wish for them to go away completely, but I would however like it if people who did "run" these, to do so on your main. There's no guarantee here either, but I'm gathering people scamming aren't doing so, and I'd bet on many of them have created a 2nd or 3rd account to do these on as well.

If they were to be completely shut down... wouldn't be the end of the world, but also wouldn't be the end of scamming and other shady business that goes on in the server though either.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

It's not just pixels. It's the time you spent to acquire them. It's the relationships you built in game. It's the ups and downs of wiping, winning, etc..

"It's just pixels" and you're a psychologist?? Sorry, I knew people who ruined their lives over this game in live. Lost families, dropped out of college, etc... and when you say "just pixels", it's an incredibly naive way of thinking about how people feel about their hobbies.


I said in reality they are... and they are. Like it or not... they are. What you're getting at is more of an addiction problem. People normally don't drop out of school or lose families due to a hobby...

Hey, like I've said already... I've devoted a great deal of time into Everquest since I started the year it came out, along with many other games, but EQ easily the most.

The platinum I acquired doesn't really have much meaning... they are pixels on a screen. They come, and they go, but the people I've played with, been in guilds with on EQ and Rift, WoW, LotRO, etc for over a decade now have not. I consider these people closer to me than most of my family. I've met most of my original guild on EQ at the conventions and what not. Those are not "just pixels" as I stated. The currency certainly more so though yes, but I completely get where you're going at with your statement.

I'm sure I could have done much greater things with my time, such as been more apart of my family growing up and even now instead of peering into a computer screen. I could have went out and volunteered more than what I did/do. Made some new friends, maybe I wouldn't still be fucking single at the age of 28?!

When you start to put things into perspective like that, YES, they begin to be more and more "just pixels," but I wouldn't change my time spent on EQ and the people I've played with over the years. Apart of who I am now is due to it and those people I know and have met, or just knew in-game.


I was speaking on the behalf of the currency lost, or gained. What you have acquired in-game as far as currency and items doesn't do you much, if anything, in the real world.

Also, these are just my opinions. My career has nothing to do with them. Could be worse though... I know of a doctor who literally believes in the "stork" theory. No bullshit.

[Jimjam]

Don't forget GMs should strip the accounts of items/plats to use for event prize give aways

[stakha]

I ran casino on live too for a month or so. I realized pretty fast from doing it that 1 percent of my profits would come from casual folks and 99 percent of my profits would come from a very select group of people who clearly had gambling issues (and probably suffered from rl issues like depression and such). I didn't lose any sleep over it because obviously its just a game, but definitely wasn't something for me. And I do agree, it is more entertaining and easier than EC tunneling.

Maybe they were roleplaying a troll with a gambling problem.

[Lisset]

Don't forget GMs should strip the accounts of items/plats to use for event prize give aways

When accounts are banned, they're essentially stripped anyway. What's on them stays there and can't ever be used again.

[Meg]

That's a terrible thing to have happen, but I suppose gambling has many risks one should consider before engaging in it. My limited knowledge of the rules say players shouldn't defraud other players, so at the very least the casino owner should be banned. I don't believe banning casinos in general is the fair answer because there seem to be honest casino owners out there.

[Victorio]

If people are dumb enough to try a Casino they dont deserve to own a Fungi.

People who gamble 100% know its a scam. They just have money to burn. Same as it's always been. I dare anyone who doesn't know its a scam to speak up on the forum. It's like people who know that cigarettes will give you cancer ahead of time, yet still choose to smoke and then get cancer. Then they complain that they got cancer. It's just human nature to be stupid and gamble.

It's wrong for the GM's to waste even 1 second on this IMO.


I won Arrowed's Fungi and CoF casino Friday Night, and he did pay up immediately. Note that I spent 32.4k on 108 rolls, so I ended up with a very nice profit.

Edit: This is Lemien, btw.

[Susvain2]

I seen a 20k bet win a 3x roll. Casino pid up 60k. After the dude had to limit bets to 500p cuz he got smashed. Not all bad

[Mandalore93]

The moral of this story is gambling is bad for you. CSR shouldn't have to deal with this shit. If you do this/make a bad trade, to be honest, you are the one responsible. This game is about social connections for the most part, while it doesn't carry the same weight on P99 due to limitless free accounts, it's still there. If someone screws you, then you black ball that fucker, don't run to mommy crying about your smashed thumb.

[Clark]

The moral of this story is gambling is bad.

[hynch]

If you do this/make a bad trade, to be honest, you are the one responsible.

While I agree that casinos are dumb and are a risk for anyone who decides to play them, the blame is entirely on the crooked casino operator. He offered a service to the public and then reneged after pocketing some money.

[Portasaurus]

This game is about social connections for the most part, while it doesn't carry the same weight on P99 due to limitless free accounts, it's still there. If someone screws you, then you black ball that fucker, don't run to mommy crying about your smashed thumb.

It's cases like these where the community itself can come together and hopefully right the ship. The guy who runs Arrowed's casino is capable of being an awesome, fun player. I know this from personal experience. To hear that he would do this is unsettling, but fixable if he pays up.

Open message to Arrowed: Please make this better and pay the man what he won so we can all continue our TQ immersion uninterrupted.

...Or perhaps this is the immersion we seek? Either way, Swish, can I get a TunnelQuest stock brokers picture up in this? We're like 2 pages overdue on that. Thanks!

[iruinedyourday]

1 vote for portasaurus for Mayor

[Nirgon]

Pixel disease is terminal once acquired

Professional help must be sought

[Kushie]

Ban all casinos. They're all slimy scammers desperate for your pp.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Ban all casinos. They're all slimy scammers desperate for your pp.

Clumping everyone of any particular group into one category is the definition of ignorance. That's like saying all Muslims are terrorists, all women can't drive, all Atheists are Satanists (we don't believe in Satan either fyi), etc etc etc.

Sometimes they cause a disruption such as this, and I understand why some want them banned completely, but you cannot lose what you do not put in play. No one forced anyone to hand over any plat, but on that token, does not give the individual any right to not pay up. Enough time has passed now... ban the person and award the tunic to the winner.

[Tiggles]

Ban Casinos from all zones other than HHK and HHP casinos.

I want to be immersed when I gamble.

[Pringles]

Only person I would think about "gambling" with, would be Bob. Bob, where are you on this? Seriously :) I know he's all but quit :(

[iruinedyourday]

Ban Casinos from all zones other than HHK and HHP casinos.

I want to be immersed when I gamble.

Can you start sending dropalbe gear from TMO to Portasourus or Dial to make this happen please?... I need this to happen. We all need this to happen...

The second we have naked darkelf's slamming player made alcohol next to the dart boards and game tables, /random's being spammed with shouts calling out winners and looses, as monks solo bards in the room across the hall and people bare knuckle /duel to the death for plat while others bet & cheer them, on all crammed in those tiny rooms... We will have all won EQ.

[proaero]

I won Arrowed's Fungi and CoF casino Friday Night, and he did pay up immediately. Note that I spent 32.4k on 108 rolls, so I ended up with a very nice profit.

Edit: This is Lemien, btw.

Yea. Thats what im saying. I only spent 600 p on 3 rolls and got 666 on 2nd roll. Woulda been amazing to get it for 400 :p

[Ket]

All women can't drive.

-Ket

[Varren]

Clumping everyone of any particular group into one category is the definition of ignorance.

Ignorance is lack of knowledge. Besides, "group" and "category" are roughly synonymous terms.

The statement you referred to is bigoted, though. Casino operators are clearly hungry for your plat, but that doesn't make them slimy scammers. Known just as many grindquesters guilty of that.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Ignorance is lack of knowledge. Besides, "group" and "category" are roughly synonymous terms.

The statement you referred to is bigoted, though. Casino operators are clearly hungry for your plat, but that doesn't make them slimy scammers. Known just as many grindquesters guilty of that.

The sentence of me stating the words "group" and "category" is a perfectly fine sentence and proper use of the words. I am defining, or suggesting two different things, so each needs a word. I couldn't say "clumping everyone into one category..." because it wouldn't work in defining the other entity.

Also, the word "ignorant" works just fine there as well. It also means one is unaware or uninformed. He seems pretty unaware by the fact that not everyone that runs the casinos aren't scamming. Yep, works just fine, though there are other words that could be used, but not as common.

Regardless, I wasn't aware of the fact that a bunch of uppity cunts on these forums would miss quote me or examine every word and keystroke I make. I shall take note of this, and be sure that when I do browse and decide to reply on these forums, that I will make sure that my grammar, sentence, punctuation and use of every word is pristine.

Enjoy your night sir.

[indiscriminate_hater]

The sentence of me stating the words "group" and "category" is a perfectly fine sentence and proper use of the words. I am defining, or suggesting two different things, so each needs a word. I couldn't say "clumping everyone into one category..." because it wouldn't work in defining the other entity.

Also, the word "ignorant" works just fine there as well. It also means one is unaware or uninformed. He seems pretty unaware by the fact that not everyone that runs the casinos aren't scamming. Yep, works just fine, though there are other words that could be used, but not as common.

Regardless, I wasn't aware of the fact that a bunch of uppity cunts on these forums would miss quote me or examine every word and keystroke I make. I shall take note of this, and be sure that when I do browse and decide to reply on these forums, that I will make sure that my grammar, sentence, punctuation and use of every word is pristine.

Enjoy your night sir.

Missed a comma at the end there, bruh.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Missed a comma at the end there, bruh.

Pardon? You must be from America then. American English is different. Nice try though!

[indiscriminate_hater]

Missed 2 more

[Glenzig]

Pardon? You must be from America then. American English is different. Nice try though!

Sir! I'm going to have to ask you to eat my shorts. 'MURICA INVENTED INGLISH!!!
Go eat a lime!!!

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

Sir! I'm going to have to ask you to eat my shorts. 'MURICA INVENTED INGLISH!!!
Go eat a lime!!!


I have to eat a lime and a pair of shorts? Hmm... I've eaten worse living here in the States. Fuck it.

[Messianic]

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

[Derubael]

Super secret insider info on the state of gambling in EC on tonights stream =P

www.twitch.tv/sirkenp99

or

www.youtube.com/sirkenp99

yes this is a shameless plug, and no I'm not revealing what I said on the stream - someone else can cliffnotes it.

[baakss]

The recap as I understood it (someone correct me if I'm wrong / missing something):

Scammers will be punished (including casinos)

Plat will NEVER be reimbursed for scams.

Items may be reimbursed because of these scams, but you should not count on it, as they probably won't. If they change hands, nothing will be done especially to reimburse.

No specifics about the Arrowed/Kaedian case will be revealed.

They may revisit the issue of casinos entirely, some guides would prefer them to be outright banned, but others might not because theyre 'classic'.

It's difficult/impossible to track how these items/plat change hands, so getting scammed puts extreme strain on the team.

[Varren]

Regardless, I wasn't aware of the fact that a bunch of uppity cunts on these forums would miss quote me or examine every word and keystroke I make. I shall take note of this, and be sure that when I do browse and decide to reply on these forums, that I will make sure that my grammar, sentence, punctuation and use of every word is pristine.

Enjoy your night sir.

Holy crap I didn't mean to stoke your rage. I did mean to agree w you though, but using different words. Please try not to take it so personally. And hey, where did I misquote you?

[Ghordo]

What?!?!?!? Casinos arent legit? Unpossible.

rofl

People need to stop fucking crying to GM's about everything that's classic. If you want a carebear MMO...do yourself a favor, close your eyes and pick any modern one out there. Don't ruin it for everyone else because you can't decipher between things.

[myriverse]

Bet those casinos would shut down fast if idiots wouldn't support them.

[Daldaen]

Remember the guy doing the 1k per ticket Fungi rolls.

Did 5-6 of those and then disappeared. Confirmed RMTer?!?

[Nineran]

Ban casino's.

Who cares if the people that use them are idiot's or not. They are detrimental to the server community, just shut them down.

I imagine the staff leaves them in as a plat sink. Lets them run for a bit, then when someone gets screwed they delete all the platinum. Which is fine with me, the problem is its most likely punishing already poor people. People that have plenty of plat are not drawn by the lure of a CoF or Fungi.

There are other things that are intentionally not classic on this server, to improve the experience. This should be included in that list, ban it.

[Clark]

Ban casinos.

[Messianic]

Ban casinos.

FTFY.

Also, they tried this with Alcohol. Often banning something is worse than simply letting people get fooled.

[myriverse]

FTFY.

Also, they tried this with Alcohol. Often banning something is worse than simply letting people get fooled.
Not really the same sort of thing.

What would people do? Start smuggling casinos?

[Ket]

What would people do? Start smuggling casinos?

I dunno ...that'd be pretty cool.

[Porz]

Not really the same sort of thing.

What would people do? Start smuggling casinos?

Moving it the a boat where gms cant track me!
Just look for the blue man in freeport!

[myriverse]

Moving it the a boat where gms cant track me!
Just look for the blue man in freeport!
Cool. Offshore!

[Tantrix]

Typical people in this country...they don't like it, so ban it.

[nectarprime]

Typical people in this country...they don't like it, so ban it.

More like: there is no redeeming value to the population and only causes grief for the administration team, so therefore it should be banned. I don't understand what parallels you are trying to draw here.

[Atalya]

Casinos are fun. I've paid out items money and items worth way more than a fungi and have been doing it for yeras. Pretty insulting to be grouped up with this scammer and to have calls for all gambling ops to be stopped.

-Reince

i can personally attest to Reince paying me out over 100k in plat just 2 days ago.

[Portasaurus]

Reince is as legit as they come.

He's been around for years and has a history of paying-out. This is what I mean when I say casinos add a whole extra layer to the social aspect of the game. Reputation is paramount when it comes to casinos. Bettors need to be educated. Prospective gamblers should ask around about which casinos have been around and running for a while.

It shouldn't be easy to break into this market. Someone like Reince has been at-it and providing a great service to folks who would like a shot at some fabulous prizes! As a result, people know he is reputable. If he no-pays, it's over for him and everything he's worked to build up over time is tarnished. Sure, you might not get your winnings, but the casino operator is done and has to start completely over on his TQ rep.

[Atalya]

Arrowed paid out TWICE on his fungi/cof roll. Getting hit twice in the span of 3-4 days probably broke him and drove him to /quiting. No i'm not defending him, just rationalizing his actions. Really shitty deal for Kaedian but dont lump all of them together. I was burned out about a month ago and really the only fun i had for a solid 2-3 weeks in game was logging in and playing random games with Reince, Mariaachi, Yolow, and Cletus .

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

And hey, where did I misquote you?

Not you; someone else.

[proaero]

Ignorance is lack of knowledge. Besides, "group" and "category" are roughly synonymous terms.

The statement you referred to is bigoted, though. Casino operators are clearly hungry for your plat, but that doesn't make them slimy scammers. Known just as many grindquesters guilty of that.

May i remind you Sometimes context or the situation in which a word is used changes the definition.

[proaero]

Arrowed paid out TWICE on his fungi/cof roll. Getting hit twice in the span of 3-4 days probably broke him and drove him to /quiting. No i'm not defending him, just rationalizing his actions. Really shitty deal for Kaedian but dont lump all of them together. I was burned out about a month ago and really the only fun i had for a solid 2-3 weeks in game was logging in and playing random games with Reince, Mariaachi, Yolow, and Cletus .

I kaedian agree. Using this situation as a reason to ban gambling is like using a school shooting to ban guns and it is simple throwing the baby out with the crib even though only the crib was bad

[Telemakus]

I kaedian agree. Using this situation as a reason to ban gambling is like using a school shooting to ban guns and it is simple throwing the baby out with the crib even though only the crib was bad

or it's like using a school shooting to ban guns in school.

[Tantrix]

More like: there is no redeeming value to the population and only causes grief for the administration team, so therefore it should be banned. I don't understand what parallels you are trying to draw here.


Again, what you just said was equivalent to: "I don't think it's useful, so ban it".


Or alternatively, you could just opt-out of participating in any gambling/casinos. Not seeing the problem here.




I have had some great fun at around 2-3am when groups were slow by gambling at the casinos in EC. If I were to be ripped off by one, I would have nobody to blame but myself...that's the risk of gambling.

[nectarprime]

It's not that it's not useful, it's that it makes work for the administration team when they could be working on actual important things that impact the entire server.

If you get ripped off by someone running a gambling game, that's scamming, not gambling. Gambling has a set of rules that the house and the player abide by.

[Atalya]

It's not that it's not useful, it's that it makes work for the administration team when they could be working on actual important things that impact the entire server.

If you get ripped off by someone running a gambling game, that's scamming, not gambling. Gambling has a set of rules that the house and the player abide by.

it makes NO more work for the CS staff than random idiot getting stuck in a death loop and asking for help. CONSIDERABLE less work than the latest tmo vs IB fraps fest. EVERYTHING that requires cs staff in this game for the most part can be avoided but for the most part isn't. Do you think there's more people that have been scammed by a "casino" than there has been giving your items to the wrong person to transfer for you?

[captnamazing]

casinos classic as fuck
WoW didn't allow it - WoW was gay
don't be a dumbass and get ripped off

[Clark]

Typical people in this country...they don't like it, so ban it.

Lol

[indiscriminate_hater]

casinos classic as fuck
WoW didn't allow it - WoW was gay
don't be a dumbass and get ripped off

so much truth and common sense in this post

[mtb tripper]

just limit it to slots only

[proaero]

or it's like using a school shooting to ban guns in school.

oh how naive, tell me you are not that dumb you cant see whats going on in the world in the past few years, obama has tried and tried several times to use shootings as fuel to ban guns. But thats another thread.

[Atalya]

YOU CANT TAKE MY GUN!!! NOT IN MY MURICA

[Ravager]

I invented the EQ casino in 1999 with my Over/Under 7 game. Sorry everyone.

[Zulzephur - Tarew Marr]

oh how naive, tell me you are not that dumb you cant see whats going on in the world in the past few years, obama has tried and tried several times to use shootings as fuel to ban guns. But thats another thread.

No, he hasn't. Obvious right wing Fox News bullshit.

[Portasaurus]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=113842

[Telemakus]

oh how naive, tell me you are not that dumb you cant see whats going on in the world in the past few years, obama has tried and tried several times to use shootings as fuel to ban guns. But thats another thread.

I was pointing out an order of magnitude fallacy, not making a political statement. Don't make this weird.

[nectarprime]

oh how naive, tell me you are not that dumb you cant see whats going on in the world in the past few years, obama has tried and tried several times to use shootings as fuel to ban guns. But thats another thread.

I'm going to try and put this the nicest way possible: you are an idiot.

[proaero]

Typical people in this country...they don't like it, so ban it.

Well it could be worse. We could be the country that staps 40 pounds of semtex to to our body and blow up what we dont like. But we dont.

[Tantrix]

Well it could be worse. We could be the country that staps 40 pounds of semtex to to our body and blow up what we dont like. But we dont.

We're doing the same thing, just the pussy way of going about it. Nobody here would have the balls to operate like that anyway.

We have a much better way of being a terrorist...it's called being a politician. Dumb voters don't even bat an eye.

[Ket]

Fuck peer reviewed journals and unbiased articles written by experts in their respective political fields - Come to the Project 1999 forums for all your political news and insightful deliberations!

Stick to what you people know. Pixels, gifs, insults, and junk food.

Cheetos. Fuck yeah.

-Ket

[indiscriminate_hater]

Well it could be worse. We could be the country that staps 40 pounds of semtex to to our body and blow up what we dont like. But we dont.

naw we just shoot up schools and malls

[proaero]

I'm going to try and put this the nicest way possible: you are an idiot.

Aww shucks. You really mean it?


Im sure you have a perfectly rational, logical reason for that statement(sarcasm slide, wee)

Please dont use words thay you cannot define (idiot)

I suppose you assume people just make up random statements and type it on the internet for fun

[proaero]

naw we just shoot up schools and malls

Lol well. Thats not related to a religion or political system though.

[nectarprime]

Aww shucks. You really mean it?


Im sure you have a perfectly rational, logical reason for that statement(sarcasm slide, wee)

Please dont use words thay you cannot define (idiot)

I suppose you assume people just make up random statements and type it on the internet for fun

Yes, people do lie on the internet actually. Are you new?

The fact is that you repeated an untrue, ignorant statement that has no facts behind it whatsoever. In a thread that has nothing to do with guns or the president.

It's fine if you don't like him. Go to Stormfront with the others.

[proaero]

Yes, people do lie on the internet actually. Are you new?

The fact is that you repeated an untrue, ignorant statement that has no facts behind it whatsoever. In a thread that has nothing to do with guns or the president.

It's fine if you don't like him. Go to Stormfront with the others.

Yes peope do do that. But assuming everyone does is ignorant

[proaero]

I made a statement that was related by context of it being an analogy. Sorry you think on the surface and not outside the box

[indiscriminate_hater]

proaero you should probably learn the definitions of words that you use. you should also probably stop defending your terrible political argument on a forum thread about pixel bets that people are making on a random number generator in a 15-year-old elf simulator

[proaero]

proaero you should probably learn the definitions of words that you use. you should also probably stop defending your terrible political argument on a forum thread about pixel bets that people are making on a random number generator in a 15-year-old elf simulator

I completely agree


End

Ps: has any seen arrowed?

[Tantrix]

Yes, people do lie on the internet actually. Are you new?

The fact is that you repeated an untrue, ignorant statement that has no facts behind it whatsoever. In a thread that has nothing to do with guns or the president.

It's fine if you don't like him. Go to Stormfront with the others.


So anyone who doesn't like our black POTUS hangs at Stormfront? For someone who called someone else an idiot here, that was damn sure an idiotic (blanket) statement.


Take your white guilt to nationalactionnetwork.

[nectarprime]

So anyone who doesn't like our black POTUS hangs at Stormfront? For someone who called someone else an idiot here, that was damn sure an idiotic (blanket) statement.


Take your white guilt to nationalactionnetwork.

Did I strike a nerve?

[Tantrix]

Did I strike a nerve?

You can put the word 'black' in bold all you want...you mentioned Stormfront, which is a site frequented by white supremacists. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots there.

[Messianic]

Did I strike a nerve?

Horrible ignorance and stupidity do strike nerves with folks quite often

Barack Obama is a mild sociopath who loves power. That makes him basically similar to most politicians and most presidents we've had, regardless of race or heritage.

[Wizerud]

Shut up and start talking about casinos again. Never thought I'd say that.

[Derubael]

Back on topic:

A scam is a scam. It doesn't really matter what the scam was or how it was pulled off. Standard procedure is to ban the scammer, then review the items that were taken and see if they're still present/what happened to them. Sometimes we can recover items and give them back - other times we can't.

What if, for example, Arrowed doesn't have a Fungi Tunic? I'm not going to create one just because someone lost a dice roll! Casino at your own risk, just like everything else on Project 1999 - it's not our responsibility to babysit your trades! We have lots of other things to do without adding something easily avoidable to the petition queue.

Trust no one! Never share account info! Don't hand money/items over for nothing! These are really simple, easy to follow tenants that will save both the CSR staff and the players a ton of trouble. While scamming will always be against the Fraud section of our server rules, I'm going to repeat myself for the 500th time: There is no guarantee you will get your items back. If you get scammed, just assume your items are gone forever, that way you'll be pleasantly surprised if they get reimbursed.

Lastly, I'd love to see casino's banned for a number of reasons, some of which I'm not going to share. Obviously the scamming is a big issue, as is the spam, but really that's just a small part of why these need to be removed. At our next GM meeting it's on our "talking points" list. Some of you might be surprised to find out this is actually a big priority for me and something I've been casually pushing for months now. It wasn't until recently when it started getting really bad that it became clear we'd need to sit down and have a discussion about it.

tl;dr: be more careful/use common sense, casino ban hopefully incoming.

After I made this post, I considered an alternative to just shutting the casinos down. Some kind of licensing system for people wanting to run a casino, where all trades/transactions would need to be documented. To be perfectly honest, this would require a lot of work on my part, but would solve all current issues with casinos and complete my agenda without needing to actually ban them.

It's still in the air, and will be discussed next GM meeting. I know that Sirken and myself are gunning for a straight ban, but the licensing system I have in mind is doable.

[funhorroryes]

pretty sure richgirl never scammed anyone ever in the history of everness

[tanknspank]

Some kind of licensing system for people wanting to run a casino, where all trades/transactions would need to be documented.

I have no idea how EQ servers/emu work, but isn't there a log of trades that could be used to build a tracing tool?

If you guys go with the licencing system, any chance to add a casino channel for their spam?

Personally I'm more a fan of banning. Even in classic casinos weren't allowed everywhere (seems it was a server by server thing). The two servers I played on in 99-00 (Rodcet and Lanys) didn't have at the time (not sure if people just didn't think of it or if GMs cracked down) and the one I was a guide on (Tholuxe, though this was a bit later on) we issued warnings for casinos.

[fastboy21]

The only issue I have with casinos is that it could be a way to "launder" plat for rmt.

Other than that, using guide/GM/dev resources to undo or fix these scammers seems like a waste of resources...of course, this is a volunteer project, so if someone really wants to put their energy into this that's up to them.

It just seems easier to say don't play, you might lose even if you win...and odds are you'll be shit out of luck.

[Rhambuk]

I know that Sirken and myself are gunning for a straight ban

Do it sir

[littlebobby3]

As a employee at a actual Casino. Just Don't do it !! Odds will NEVER be in your favor. And when i hear about petitioning about getting scammed, just reminds me of all the players at work whining and blaming me for taking all their money.

[FatMice]

^^ Well that is about to get deleted....

Just woke up to that...

Please ban this guy.

[Tantrix]

As a employee at a actual Casino. Just Don't do it !! Odds will NEVER be in your favor. And when i hear about petitioning about getting scammed, just reminds me of all the players at work whining and blaming me for taking all their money.

And yet, nobody forces them to go there and gamble their money.

[fishingme]

As a employee at a actual Casino. Just Don't do it !! Odds will NEVER be in your favor. And when i hear about petitioning about getting scammed, just reminds me of all the players at work whining and blaming me for taking all their money.

yeah it's terrible, and when you make the odds in your favor by counting cards you either get escorted out and lose all your winnings or the police get called on you /sigh

[myriverse]

They don't take your winnings. They just demand you leave.

[proaero]

yall are all a bunch of hyenas sometimes.

there are many people out there that all they do is lie, cheat, deceive people in game. One guy has a moment of weakness and rage quits when he shouldnt of and everyone seeks the death penalty only because they dont want to look into the actual intent of an action. But because the words "cheat, casino, scam" show up, people automatically assume he is evil. So go reload you're stones, and continue to throw them at pixels, k thanks.

[littlebobby3]

yeah it's terrible, and when you make the odds in your favor by counting cards you either get escorted out and lose all your winnings or the police get called on you /sigh

Yeah counting is just making it less in the casinos favor... and for a business to lose money and they having the means to remove you from the place, that's what is done.

Vegas they blacklist you and you basicly never get to play ever again.
My casino, people "claim to count cards" but they all suck at it so they never do anything about it.

Even with the odds against you there are still "chances" so their will always be someone wanting to gamble