Server Leadership doesn't understand PVP, that's why Variance will never happen

[Chuck_still_a_virgin]

Listen folks, Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken are just simply not intune with how a PVP server works. Rogean and Nilbog have absolutely no PVP experience. Sirken has at least PVP'd before and GM'd on a PVP server, but he's still not one of us. He doesn't "get it" and he never will. Worst of all, even if he did, he doesn't have any pull with Rogean or Nilbog to change anything.

It's too difficult for them to see that without variance, this server will always have one guild that monopolizes the most critical raid mobs and items. Whoever owns the key to get the items, recruits all the players.

The key to getting the items, is killing the mobs. Without variance, you have all the raid mobs spawn on the same day, and you kill them in the same order you killed them last week. Your players log in for a few hours and collect their items.



http://i.imgur.com/ISJBwrA.jpg




With variance, you can have guerrilla style guild warfare to kill raid mobs and acquire items. You can now own a key (killing the mobs), and you can recruit more players. More players in your guild means less in the monopoly guild. Less in the monopoly guild means more opportunity for guerrilla style guild warfare. More factions of players fighting in smaller sized groups.

The problem: Server Leadership has no imagination, they don't "get" this. They don't ask why 90% of the server is in one guild, or why one guild has had a monopoly on all raid mobs for 2.5 years, or why the guild has churned through hundreds of players. There will only ever be one monopoly guild on this server without variance.

It's like the movie "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson. If you force the American troops to line up against the British army, they are going to lose. But, a guerrilla style warfare, where you can fight when the British aren't at their strongest (every raid day when every mob is lined up and every monopolized guild member is online to collect items), then you win some battles. You win some battles, you change the tide of the war. People on the other side lose faith, they jump ship, they try their own thing. They aren't forced to join the British and line up to fight.

[magician]

tldr pale loser

[Kergan]

Just in case anyone new is reading this, that is not at all how variance works on a PVP server.

Also knowing when mobs spawn is the easiest way to contest.

You know when they spawn, come and get them.

[Colgate]

You know when they spawn, come and get them.

lol @ anyone who actually thinks this way

[Kergan]

You guys did it for awhile? Even had some success.

[Stasis01]

Elderan had the right idea in another thread, make a guild and base it off doing planar runs, then try to buy gear from Nihilum ($$$$).

LOL.

[Stasis01]

If I were starting a guild here I would do this.

- Raid planer
- Raid lower level targets on sim repop
- Negotiate a non aggression agreement with Nihilum on raid days. We would get 1-2 low priority targets and Nihilum would get plat in exchange.

Agree to go different faction in Velious. Be happy at #2 and thrive.

We should put this into the server recruitment thread - where do I sign up for this shit.

[mrproudbeard]

Elderan is a master class troll (please tell me he's trolling holy shit)

[Elderan]

Elderan is a master class troll (please tell me he's trolling holy shit)

Not everyone can be #1, the world needs ditch diggers too.

[mrproudbeard]

Suggesting that new folks pay for the right to raid on a pvp server is a special kind of stupid.

[Kergan]

Suggesting they should get free uncontested mobs as part of a rotation is the specialist kind of stupid.

[freez]

elderan's been diagnosed with down-syndrome since 1974 please dont speak to him.

[mrproudbeard]

I think the guerrilla warfare/protecting trackers argument is interesting. I do not think variance will work out as well as the people advocating for it think it will though.

[Pudge]

this shit is just depressing. GMs could do something, but at this point the only savior is velious.

i've fought the good fight (never joining the zerg) for the good of the server. just no reason to log in at 6am to a 60 v 20 battle

[fiegi 8.0]

velius aint saving shit

just more zones to spread out the 150 players who dont wanna pvp anways

[lite]

Glad to see more Veterans and Relevants chime in

[Mac Drettj]

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/autumnpoppy/17731795/395233/395233_original.gif

[R Flair]

tldr but did enjoy the picture OP obviously sunk too much time into

[mikemandella]

tldr but did enjoy the picture OP obviously sunk too much time into

Are your guys troll posts planned out in advance or do you just work them out while inside one another? ... Takes stupid to a whole new level.

[R Flair]

rustled

[mikemandella]

rustled

2 minute response times... talks about causing rustles... Dude, I am Rexx levels of caring...

[Kergan]

Glad to see more Veterans and Relevants chime in

Yeah god forbid people who actually play voice their opinion. Would be much better if all the forum warriors and has-beens decide the future.

[freez]

2 minute response times... talks about causing rustles... Dude, I am Rexx levels of caring...

that means you care


alot



wake up

[Mac Drettj]

Yeah god forbid people who actually play voice their opinion. Would be much better if all the forum warriors and has-beens decide the future.

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[Eslade]

http://media.tumblr.com/047dd356fe170f60198fe9cc8ecda709/tumblr_inline_mimoukmAQo1qz4rgp.gif

Your gif is missing an r.
Fix that shit.

[Smedy]

coach putting in some serious hours at the photoshop school pras

it's hard to argue variance when you have literally more % of the server population in the guild that wouldn't benefit from said argument.

give up, gm's either have blindfolds on or they luv that rustle, i don't blame em, if i was rogean i'd probably put salems packet lagger 3.0 on the red99 box just to rustle some nuts ya feelers me?

[georgie]

I would like to see it but not permanately, atleast to get our dicks the same size

[Psykes]

Listen folks, Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken are just simply not intune with how a PVP server works. Rogean and Nilbog have absolutely no PVP experience. Sirken has at least PVP'd before and GM'd on a PVP server, but he's still not one of us. He doesn't "get it" and he never will. Worst of all, even if he did, he doesn't have any pull with Rogean or Nilbog to change anything.

It's too difficult for them to see that without variance, this server will always have one guild that monopolizes the most critical raid mobs and items. Whoever owns the key to get the items, recruits all the players.


here's a quarter call someone who cares seriously....EQ has always been about Epic Guilds getting the content, PVP aspect allows you to FIGHT FOR IT....grow some stones. Oh wait, you werent around in 99 your part of that participation trophy generation mentality and want things given to you

[R Flair]

Oh wait, you werent around in 99 your part of that participation trophy generation mentality and want things given to you

nailed it

[Chuck_still_a_virgin]

Oh wait, you werent around in 99 your part of that participation trophy generation mentality and want things given to you
nailed it

Lol, I was one of the first level 50 random PKers on Rallos Zek in 1999, back in the days of Aakor/Ennart/Castin. Oh, I was also the highest level neutral on SZ in the top neutral guild before I quit. And, damn I forgot to mention, I'm one of the best RTS players to ever live, having been top ranked in every game I've played.


EQ has always been about Epic Guilds getting the content, PVP aspect allows you to FIGHT FOR IT....grow some stones.

It isn't about "Epic Guilds" getting content, it's about "Epic Guilds" being able to monopolize all of the content in one swing of the axe. Fighting that type of guild is futile. It's like fighting the British army in my OP example. They can have all of their members log on for their raid day, and bulldoze through any challengers + the content. Adding variance doesn't make any guild less "Epic", it pushes spawn windows across the week and throughout the day. If the guild is truly "Epic", they will have no problem mobilizing their members to fight for mobs.

The reality is, an "Epic Guild", will quickly start prioritizing raid mobs, instead of killing them all. It simply won't make sense to batphone all members to fight for a lesser raid mob like Faydader at 2am on a Tuesday. They wouldn't want to risk burning their member base out. So they would settle for highly desired raid mobs, and that would open other content to other guilds that can and will mobilize for them. More guilds challenging will allow players to leave guilds and join others one to compete.

[Chuck_still_a_virgin]

coach putting in some serious hours at the photoshop school pras

it's hard to argue variance when you have literally more % of the server population in the guild that wouldn't benefit from said argument.

give up, gm's either have blindfolds on or they luv that rustle, i don't blame em, if i was rogean i'd probably put salems packet lagger 3.0 on the red99 box just to rustle some nuts ya feelers me?

Miss u, luv u. Still miss the sony vegas lessons you gave the coach, those were the days. And yeah, Rogean is either completely incompetent or, well no I think that's it.

[Smedy]

i will give coach free lessons anyday just happy ur alive pal, was trolled that u dieded in car accident , i mourned your death by building a shrine and putting up your body progress picture as my wallpaper

very happy times these days to see the coach putting in work where it is needed

[R Flair]

Lol, I was one of the first level 50 random PKers on Rallos Zek in 1999, back in the days of Aakor/Ennart/Castin. Oh, I was also the highest level neutral on SZ in the top neutral guild before I quit. And, damn I forgot to mention, I'm one of the best RTS players to ever live, having been top ranked in every game I've played.


Lol, i almost choked I laughed so hard at your angry self praise you pathetic nerd.

[mtb tripper]

i will give coach free lessons anyday just happy ur alive pal, was trolled that u dieded in car accident , i mourned your death by building a shrine and putting up your body progress picture as my wallpaper

very happy times these days to see the coach putting in work where it is needed

[Sektor]

Listen folks, Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken are just simply not intune with how a PVP server works. Rogean and Nilbog have absolutely no PVP experience. Sirken has at least PVP'd before and GM'd on a PVP server, but he's still not one of us. He doesn't "get it" and he never will. Worst of all, even if he did, he doesn't have any pull with Rogean or Nilbog to change anything.

It's too difficult for them to see that without variance, this server will always have one guild that monopolizes the most critical raid mobs and items. Whoever owns the key to get the items, recruits all the players.

The key to getting the items, is killing the mobs. Without variance, you have all the raid mobs spawn on the same day, and you kill them in the same order you killed them last week. Your players log in for a few hours and collect their items.



http://i.imgur.com/ISJBwrA.jpg




With variance, you can have guerrilla style guild warfare to kill raid mobs and acquire items. You can now own a key (killing the mobs), and you can recruit more players. More players in your guild means less in the monopoly guild. Less in the monopoly guild means more opportunity for guerrilla style guild warfare. More factions of players fighting in smaller sized groups.

The problem: Server Leadership has no imagination, they don't "get" this. They don't ask why 90% of the server is in one guild, or why one guild has had a monopoly on all raid mobs for 2.5 years, or why the guild has churned through hundreds of players. There will only ever be one monopoly guild on this server without variance.

It's like the movie "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson. If you force the American troops to line up against the British army, they are going to lose. But, a guerrilla style warfare, where you can fight when the British aren't at their strongest (every raid day when every mob is lined up and every monopolized guild member is online to collect items), then you win some battles. You win some battles, you change the tide of the war. People on the other side lose faith, they jump ship, they try their own thing. They aren't forced to join the British and line up to fight.


Wow Cast, prob one of your few good posts here, well said man.

[Nirgon]

And yeah, Rogean is either completely incompetent or, well no I think that's it.

Maybe Norrath and its message boards aren't as much of Rogean's life as they are for others.

[Mac Drettj]

Message boards = bug threads

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/ISJBwrA.jpg


http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/164/6/3/Laugh_Dragon_by_talpimado.gif

[Barladore]

The reality is, an "Epic Guild", will quickly start prioritizing raid mobs, instead of killing them all. It simply won't make sense to batphone all members to fight for a lesser raid mob like Faydader at 2am on a Tuesday. They wouldn't want to risk burning their member base out. So they would settle for highly desired raid mobs, and that would open other content to other guilds that can and will mobilize for them. More guilds challenging will allow players to leave guilds and join others one to compete.


a smart man

[Red_Psyphon]

shame people think variance hurts because they have their lives scheduled around 5am dargons

[georgie]

a smart man

New gm?