"Duping" platinum / Items

[Hastley]

Disclaimer: i do not play here at all anymore. i am only asking about historical methodology.

I always wondered how people duplicated (duped) these things, any historical information would be appreciated. Please do not provide whatever the current duplication procedure as that would not be ideal.

Thanks

[DinoTriz]

Cough (backs away slowly...)

[Kekephee]

In Diablo 1 you would drop the item on the ground, walk away from it, walk toward it and right as you picked it up you would pick up one of your potions from your belt. I'm pretty sure you do the same thing here

[azxten]

Most commonly dupes in EQ involved crashing a zone/server to "double save" an item or bugs with merchants/NPCs and trading/buying/selling in various ways.

[Beldon]

In Diablo 1 you would drop the item on the ground, walk away from it, walk toward it and right as you picked it up you would pick up one of your potions from your belt. I'm pretty sure you do the same thing here

Loved this! Also, Because D1 was mostly single player, they stored your character files on the PC not the server. You could use a hex editor to manipulate anything :)

[Portasaurus]

I thought I duped a bunch of sandwiches once during a transfer that went horribly wrong... I remember getting an angry red invalid slot # or item # (or something) message when I received the items, and then the guy's gear actually started turning into other items from my inventory when I traded them back to his alt!

On his screen, it looked like I was just pocketing his gear and giving him sandwiches and steaks and vegetables and stuff in return. Stunned at the accusation, I asked him to trade them back to me, and sure enough, I ended up with duped stacks of sandwiches and steaks!

After much confusion and attempts to recover the lost items, I relogged. Upon my return, all of his gear was back on the cursor slot and I was able to complete the transfer.

In the end, I think it just *appeared* that items were duped, when in fact I think the icon/item number was being displayed incorrectly in the client for some reason, although I actually *was* trading him back his gear.

The next couple times I logged in, I had a few of my own items still missing from the debacle pop up on my cursor.

Makes me wonder what would have happened to his swords and armor if I tried to eat them while they were in sandwich mode!

TLDR: I have absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread, but one time something weird happened to items during a transfer.

[fastboy21]

i heard there was a bug early on in the server that allowed you to transfer no drop items to other players by putting the item on a charmed pet, killing pet, and looting. never confirmed though by me, and certainly not still working today if it ever did.

[Swish]

I had a similar response when I asked what the best camps were for Velious loot and if people could list them on the forums.

I thought we were all here to exchange ideas and share ;)

[Kekephee]

I thought I duped a bunch of sandwiches once during a transfer that went horribly wrong... I remember getting an angry red invalid slot # or item # (or something) message when I received the items, and then the guy's gear actually started turning into other items from my inventory when I traded them back to his alt!

On his screen, it looked like I was just pocketing his gear and giving him sandwiches and steaks and vegetables and stuff in return. Stunned at the accusation, I asked him to trade them back to me, and sure enough, I ended up with duped stacks of sandwiches and steaks!

After much confusion and attempts to recover the lost items, I relogged. Upon my return, all of his gear was back on the cursor slot and I was able to complete the transfer.

In the end, I think it just *appeared* that items were duped, when in fact I think the icon/item number was being displayed incorrectly in the client for some reason, although I actually *was* trading him back his gear.

The next couple times I logged in, I had a few of my own items still missing from the debacle pop up on my cursor.

Makes me wonder what would have happened to his swords and armor if I tried to eat them while they were in sandwich mode!

TLDR: I have absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread, but one time something weird happened to items during a transfer.


Greengrocer entrusted with the power supreme to turn peoples' dragon loot into sandwiches- the best and worst thing that could possibly happen to this game

[arsenalpow]

It's probably like that commercial where anything the dude touches turns to skittles.

[Pint]

In Diablo 1 you would drop the item on the ground, walk away from it, walk toward it and right as you picked it up you would pick up one of your potions from your belt. I'm pretty sure you do the same thing here

Yea this is how you do it here

[bionicbadger]

I know of one way that would dupe stackable items early on (not that many months after EQ went live). Was almost banned, but they let me keep playing because they couldn't figure out how we were duping and said that if we told them so they could fix it, we could keep playing.

You needed to have a partner to do this with.

Both people needed to arrange their inventory so that there weren't any empty spots.

One person would open a trade window with the other person and put a bunch of stuff in the 8 trade spots (1 or 2 food or water was usual), the stackable item that you wanted duped had to be in a specific slot (either first or last, I forget which, I think first) and the other player must not have room for the item in their inventory (so put 2 water or food in every other inventory slot to fill them up)

Then you needed to coordinate timing. the following had to be done at pretty much the same time:
1) trader hits trade button to complete trade, then pulls his LAN cable to go LD
2) recipient presses cancel button

If the timing was done right, the junk falls to the ground, and the item that you wished duped, turned into a stack of 255 of that item. We got shit piles of platinum bars and gems that way. So could have pretty much endless money.

Those were the good old days

EDIT: I'm talking about real EQ 15 years ago, not the emulator

[surron]

Wait until you see "Yourname has been saved" transfer all your items to a buddy, pull your internet, log back in to character select then delete your toon. /petition that you accidentally deleted your toon and... profit?

my favorite tho, find a merchant with 1 slot left, destroy the item you want but leave the yes/no box up, put destroy item ui box yes button right on top of the sell button on the merchant ui and click real fast. the item sells to the merchant and stays in your inventory without being destroyed.

[Swish]

How to dupe plat and items (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wXBe2jTdx4)

[Kekephee]

How to dupe plat and items (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wXBe2jTdx4)

lolol every single virus is just a cookie/pac man/a rabbit eating the lines of code



THE RABBIT VIRUS REPLICATES LIKE A RABBIT THEN SPREADS LIKE CANCER hahahahahaha

[Portasaurus]

exec (@white.rabbit.object)

[Portasaurus]

Actually this thread has triggered one of only a handful of EQ Live memories I still have: One night, I realized that the [Toolboxes] I was making to level up my smithing were actually selling for something like 2-3 plat more than the ingredients. That night, me and my buddy made over 100 toolboxes, had around 400 plat and thought we were SO RICH.

The next week, when I made another batch of toolboxes, the vendor price had been fixed and they were no longer turning a profit. Shortly after that, my mom stopped paying for EQ. I don't even think I ever got to spend my riches. qq.

[iruinedyourday]

week 1 of EQ I brought bags full of sharpening stones from freeport to kelthin, becuse they didnt sell them there. Advertised them as the best way to upgrade turning rusty weps into tarnished items.. I think like the delay dropped like 2 points or something stupid.

I made like nothing and realized I was a horrible entrepreneur in both real life and fake life.

[Clark]

Cough (backs away slowly...)

[zanderklocke]

I'm sure this is exactly what GMs want players talking about in server chat.

[Gaffin 7.0]

here on p99 it required boxing and putting items in trade at same time during lag, not gonna say anymore

[Brut]

Recall few years back there was a patch that broke merchants so you'd dupe simply by selling items on them. Ton of geniouses hurried to buy diamonds/black sapphires in EC (high value vendor items) to make the most out of the situation. Mass bans followed after the rollback.

[Troxx]

A long term friend of mine from live back in the day used to do a lot of duping. He flew under the radar. I only learned later that he had done it and he told me how it had been done.

Apparently it was a 2 man job but he'd trade all his money and items to be duped to friend at a zone line - friend zones and he used 3rd party programs to instantly crash the zone. When zone came back up his friend would have all the items and coin in the next zone and he would have been restored to his last save which had all the items back on his person. They later fixed this by forcing an immediate character save when a player transaction was completed.

Iirc he used MQ2 to crash the zone - no idea how really.

Allegedly there were other ways, but I'm not in the know.

Thankfully here, having programs like MQ2 running is quickly detectable and punishable. On live right now, it's still a rampant problem that SoE continues to turn a blind eye to. I suspect if they instantly banned all accounts that used MQ2 the server population would drop by 80%. There is probably a smaller proportion of individuals than that using the program, but many of those who do use it have 3-6 accounts and run their little box armies.

It's easy to spot when they hunt in open areas, but these days everyone is off hiding safely in instances.

[Gaffin 7.0]

SoE has never had a huge crackdown on it because a majority of boxers and players all use it for auto assist and such on multiple bots. They would just lose more and more subs.

[Ikonoclastia]

Once I deleted my char after selling all its stuff on live. Then asked to have it restored having changed my mind. Got it restored by GM with everything I sold before deleting it back on it, around 400k worth of items. Petitioned though and told them because cheating is a shit way to play a game imo.

Guess that could have been abused if they saved characters sporadically, but maybe he just selected the wrong save? not sure how it works.

One of my friends got banned in EQ for buying something in Thurg, running to another guy in Thurg and selling it, not sure the exact scam but you could make a hell of a lot of money from it, friend made a few million before being caught.

[iruinedyourday]

One of my friends got banned in EQ for buying something in Thurg, running to another guy in Thurg and selling it, not sure the exact scam but you could make a hell of a lot of money from it, friend made a few million before being caught.

I vaguely remember hearing people talking about this exploit during classic, but i cant remember if I really did or I'm just imagining it

[nicol]

Shortly after the expansion that released beast lords (PoP? Maybe? its been years), I discovered that if you were to use illusion:scarecrow on a beast lord's pet, it would instantly crash and reset the zone, including respawn times. I used this to throw off competition that I had for certain cash mobs, as I was 5-boxing a lot of old content at the time.

[Daldaen]

Act of Valor AA would also crash zones and respawn bosses.

Probably it's only useful function until the bug that allowed divine intervention to save you from its kill switch.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Supposedly Yantis bribed a dev to put an NPC deep in najena that spawned under some very specific circumstances that would give you 2 plat for every 1 you gave it or something like that. That would explain how mysupersales or whatever it was took off so quickly.

A character named Sitnay was observed on Prexus at like 3 am in there running in, but walking out as if heavily encumbered. Screen shots and everything. I wonder if that was really true.

[nicol]

Supposedly Yantis bribed a dev to put an NPC deep in najena that spawned under some very specific circumstances that would give you 2 plat for every 1 you gave it or something like that. That would explain how mysupersales or whatever it was took off so quickly.

A character named Sitnay was observed on Prexus at like 3 am in there running in, but walking out as if heavily encumbered. Screen shots and everything. I wonder if that was really true.

I doubt that. There was enough people on Prexus selling him plat, myself included, that he wouldn't really need it. All he did was pay $ for the platinum from people and then sell it for double the price.

[Briscoe]

Recall few years back there was a patch that broke merchants so you'd dupe simply by selling items on them. Ton of geniouses hurried to buy diamonds/black sapphires in EC (high value vendor items) to make the most out of the situation. Mass bans followed after the rollback.

One of my friends got banned in EQ for buying something in Thurg, running to another guy in Thurg and selling it, not sure the exact scam but you could make a hell of a lot of money from it, friend made a few million before being caught.

My favorite part of these stories is how people just become totally consumed by their greed and abuse the hell out of the exploit, which in turn probably contributes to their getting caught more so than if they kept quiet about it and only modestly used it.

[Chuck_still_a_virgin]

There were 2 very active dupes when P99 launched. I was nice enough to inform fat head Rogaine about one of them. The crux from what I remember was you could copy an entire slot in the shared bank by adding too many items (or bags) and then logging out with it on your cursor to character select, while using a proxy to log in to the same account and selecting another character (details could be wrong, its been many years). I was also the first player banned on P99 after launch for making fun of staff in OOC. The ironic part about that was I was speedhack kiting with a group of players in EC during this and had a whole bank full of plat bars from duping. Only came back for Red99 launch, which was also promptly run into the ground by staff mismanagement. Hope that answers any questions you have.

[Nilasbik]

I remember one from right after luclin launched. You would get as far away from a vendor as you could and still have the merchant window open. Select gems to sell. Then hit sell gems and back away from the vendor at the same time. You kept the gems and got plat from the vendor. Once you had enough plat you bought more gems from the vendor and then sold stacks of gems at a time. Never handing over any gems and always receiving plat. I personally never got banned from it, but it was fixed not too long after I heard about it.

[Alanus]

Once on Live I sold a bunch of gems to a vendor as I went LD, came back and had the cash and the gems.

I didn't want to risk a banning, so I petitioned it and the GM told me to just delete the gems and it would be all cool, so I did that.

[Potus]

Most dupes on live involved your character going LD and coming back alive to a corpse of yourself or weird shenanigans involving trades/transactions with merchants.

That's how the Chinese duped on Nameless, they'd feign death, go LD, then someone would aggro a mob on their character right before the server would log him out. Come back to corpse full of items!