Why Nihilum won’t go to a DKP system.

[Pikrib]

Nihilum tries to say they use a DKP system,

Nihilum uses a fair DKP system -- the only officer/leader input is in which classes can acquire X items first. The more you play, the more gear you get! Casuals still get their fair share, but obviously less than the hardcore players.

when in actuality it is a loot council where the officer core decides who gets loot.

We don't really use a standard DKP system, it's more of attendance tracking and loot awarded by council.

There are several reasons that Nihilum tries to make people think that they use a DKP system now. Everyone knows that DKP systems are fairer. In a DKP system every person who shows up to raids acquires DKP and then is allowed to spend that DKP on specific loot that they want for their main or alt.

In Nihilum this is not the case. They don’t let you get loot unless it’s for a main, and then you have to purchase items for alts with plat. The Nihilum FQers will say that the cash goes to buying components; peridots, emeralds, sky/hate stones etc. I’m sure Nihilum had over a mil in plat. That was enough to keep them going for years. Why not allow people to spend DKP on pixels that they helped Nihilum earn?

The reason is very simple. It’s greed.

In Velious Nihilum says they will go to a “bid” DKP system instead of their current loot council. This is simply untrue. If they wanted to do a DKP system they would have done it by now. This is the perfect time to test a new DKP system instead of trying to drop it when Velious releases. By testing it now they could make changes and tweaks before Velious drops. The Nihilum leadership who farmed this box for years feels they deserve loot more than some new guy who showed up in the last few months. They will even change DKP logs to try to fool new members if they have to.
now, lets back up a bit, something went down in the guild that I'm not going to publicly address cause im not a scumbag, it was DKP related. and caused me to go through my personal logs and compare them to the DKP logs, i was at a 114dkp deficit with my brother who raids alot more than me missing quite a bit more than that. I looked at my competitors that i was neck and neck with over the course of a few months and would compare logs, there dkp was still advancing, staying above mine, when clearly according to my attendance logs i should be much further ahead. in jupes case it was much more clear a certain competitor of his who everyone clearly knows doesn't play was not only advancing but had jumped several hundred dkp out of thin air. This was clear targeted dkp manipulation.

By only giving loot to mains the leadership is able to keep a majority of the pixel farmed and profits from those pixels to themselves. They can use their loyal members to keep farming items, and not allow members to spend their hard earned DKP on items they helped farm. there isn't an RMT scheme, its individuals within the guild that do all the RMTing, nizzar takes a little off the top, its no big deal. Leadership can even RMT items or plat for real cash if they can’t afford that case of Mt. Dew and hot pockets. Nihilum leadership gains nothing by using DKP, and the inner core looses free slave labor.

tl:dr version
Pikrib was bored at work and wanted to start a new thread.

[heartbrand]

I was one of the most vocal people in Nihilum for reform of the loot system, and I can sincerely say that the accountability is at an all time high currently. I wouldn't say its perfect, or even the system id use in my own guild, but it is fair.

[Pikrib]

Really HB?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156186

Really?

[Jib]

i heard gongshow got a crown of rile and PD robe 2 times in a row on 2 monks before 90% of the guild even got one.

I also heard gongshow say in TS he was too scared to take any kind of lead role in VP when azrael was contesting. he refused to pull or lead a pvp strike.

i havent heard much but about the nihi loot system besides the corruption i saw 3 years ago, but seems like not much has changed since then

[Jib]

i used to talk to vaporize in nihi ts and he was like REALLY pissed about the gongshow robes and crowns. only reason i know about it. feel kind bad for that vapo guy, he used to rant to me how hes underappreciated and the loot system is terrible in nihilum

[Kergan]

Amazing how much people outside the guild care about how we handle our loot. Nobody in the guild bitches about it though.

Not sure where you got your bid dkp info but it aint happening.

We're a top tier guild bro, if you have no discretion on how loot is handled you wont be successful. Good luck progressing through Velious when rogues are taking huge +HP items over main tanks, or mages are getting flowing thought items over clerics because you want a completely transparent loot system with no loot council to make smart decisions.

[Jib]

i dont know i think we have a better chance since we gear mains over alts, but i guess time will tell... right vapo?

[Kergan]

i used to talk to vaporize in nihi ts and he was like REALLY pissed about the gongshow robes and crowns. only reason i know about it. feel kind bad for that vapo guy, he used to rant to me how hes underappreciated and the loot system is terrible in nihilum

You mean Vaporize the BiS geared wizard officer of Nihilum?

Not sure if srs.

[Jib]

You mean Vaporize the BiS geared wizard officer of Nihilum?

Not sure if srs.

yep thats the guy im talkin about. try listening to the guy for a change, he almost broke off and started his own guild a few months ago

[Zalaerian]

Actually Thrilla is BiS between red and blue if people want to be technical. Dem hoshkar slippers

[Kergan]

I talk with Vapo on a nearly daily basis. He takes a different approach to things then some of the other officers which is why his opinion is invaluable.

Face it bro, almost everyone is being showered with pixels over here. Nobody is bitching about loot because we have so much to go around. Now it's even more insane with extra PDs from simulated repops.

[Jib]

check out the thread agatha made about quitting nihilum because of loot corruption.

[Colgate]

vaporize another known RMTer

fits right in as a nihilum officer

8)

[Zalaerian]

Loot system is fair and zero complaints. Put in time, get pixels.

[Kergan]

Hah, sure. Corruption, lol.

[Jib]

you cant beat me at forumquest kergan, you said it yourself in TS, everything i say is right.

[Colgate]

Hah, sure. Corruption, lol.

vaporize has bragged many times about how he started on the server, joined azrael, got scammed by daze trying to RMT for like $500, left azrael over it and joined nihilum

[Zalaerian]

What are we arguing about again?

[Colgate]

how sick u all are for playing this SHITBOX

[Jib]

vaporize has bragged many times about how he started on the server, joined azrael, got scammed by daze trying to RMT for like $500, left azrael over it and joined nihilum

so bitter

[Kergan]

I've said a million times I don't give two shits about people RMTing...not sure why you're trying to troll me with it.

[Agatha]

the truth is a little bit more closer to nihilum leadership is at wits end with kunark, and with the banks being banned ( supposedly, no GM's will confirm they are/still are ).

so its more like they are hoarding to have multiples of every BP/cof/bcg again to stockpile the banks, basically strategic reserves.

Thats why im saying right now is the best time to strike, they dont have access to the pixel packages (according to them, no idea if the banks are still banned/ever were or it was a ploy to gain more pixels)

strike now boys while the iron is hot, 5 good members, and when i mean good, your avg player, and 20 really really bad ones. real bad. no pixel packages available to buy your guildies from out under you.

we have at minimum 8 months of kunark to take them, and its entirely possible.


edit: if they have 40, and you have 20 well geared walmart/resists, you can win by simple coordination. they have none right now. and will continue to have none they have so many bad players it will fuck them even harder if they even began to teach the guild how to pvp. it's that bad over there right now, im not trying to smear or anything im just trying to give an accurate representation of what they got.

[Jib]

ur guild leader got banned for rmt'ing raid loots if you didnt know as well

[Jib]

pixel package means nothing, just breeds crappy players and traitors down the line.

no need to strike nihi anytime soon, they are doomed already.

[Kergan]

Does it bother you I don't care at all that he RMT'd? Does it bother you even more that 99% of the guild doesn't care?

[Agatha]

you can take a grp of 6 and probably distract a 40 man raid in VP. throw timers off by hours.

a war against nihilum would be a war of attrition, they are already all ran down, you would want to make a little footprint while they make a huge and straining/costly one to counter yours.

the vets would log on for a month to contest, but if you did it correctly, hit n dipped repeatedly, hung on zonelines, never gave the vet pvpers a chance to even pvp you, denying them there reason to log on. nihilum would very quickly fall back in the 5 decent daily players and the 20 retards.

this i promise you.

[Jib]

you can take a grp of 6 and probably distract a 40 man raid in VP. throw timers off by hours.

a war against nihilum would be a war of attrition, they are already all ran down, you would want to make a little footprint while they make a huge and straining/costly one to counter yours.

the vets would log on for a month to contest, but if you did it correctly, hit n dipped repeatedly, hung on zonelines, never gave the vet pvpers a chance to even pvp you, denying them there reason to log on. nihilum would very quickly fall back in the 5 decent daily players and the 20 retards.

this i promise you.

edit this post and delete it they dont need to see, its all part of the master plan : )

[crossplay]

Why post about what another guild is doing--how does it directly effect you?

That's kinda wack.

Truly,

The Great Milenko

[Kergan]

Man you guys are having some original thoughts here. Too bad nobody else thought of it in the last 3 years.

[Agatha]

they are very well aware of the situation, trust me. i repeatedly told the guild in TS how i'd do it if i was facing nihilum.

They currently are taking loot very seriously atm, making sure the pixel reserves reach the banks. They certainly are gearing up to pixel package people to turn.

Thats why they have all these crap players, its all this server has to keep nihilum alive if they could have avoided it they would have, it needs to be able to hold kunark until velious drops in order to not compete in velious. they don't want to fight in velious, they want it so they can have multiple alts camped everywhere and down everything, uncontested.

[Jib]

they don't want to fight in velious, they want it so they can have multiple alts camped everywhere and down everything, uncontested.

i just puked in my mouth

[Pikrib]

Why post about what another guild is doing--how does it directly effect you?

That's kinda wack.

Truly,

The Great Milenko

If you have one guild farming a low pop box for years it will effect the server bud. Not that I really care. I just wanted to keep the FQ interesting. It was pretty slow this morning. Besides, I want to make planar protector some time this decade.

My poorly written post (yes, I admit that) only took 15ish min to make, and now it will provide hours of enjoyment.

[Not Salem]

Agatha is delusional

[crossplay]

If you have one guild farming a low pop box for years it will effect the server bud. Not that I really care. I just wanted to keep the FQ interesting. It was pretty slow this morning.

Specifically how does another guild's loot system effect you? If there's no rationale behind the post, you're no better, my friend.

Truly,

The Great Milenko

[Jib]

Specifically how does another guild's loot system effect you? If there's no rationale behind the post, you're no better, my friend.

Truly,

The Great Milenko

lots of ways

[Zalaerian]

Agatha is delusional, drooling on his keyboard , blurring the line between trolling and believing what he wants to believe will actually happen

[Rellapse40]

remember when nihilum made 1000 threads about the way red dawns loot system was?

remember them trolling Azrael loot system every day till they changed it?

these fat lonely nerds are funny

[Pikrib]

Specifically how does another guild's loot system effect you? If there's no rationale behind the post, you're no better, my friend.

Truly,

The Great Milenko

Before I respond can you please go to Quick links. Edit options drop down. On the left side of the page click the Edit Signature button. Add
Truly,

The Great Milenko

Then hit save.

thanks

[Pikrib]

remember when nihilum made 1000 threads about the way red dawns loot system was?

remember them trolling Azrael loot system every day till they changed it?

these fat lonely nerds are funny

I think they were worried that HB was going to walk off with another Guild bank.

[Jib]

I think they were worried that HB was going to walk off with another Guild bank.

below the belt

[crossplay]

Before I respond can you please go to Quick links. Edit options drop down. On the left side of the page click the Edit Signature button. Add

Then hit save.

thanks
Haha, but I think it means more typed out every time. Plus I already have a sig.

Looking forward to your response.

[Pikrib]

I got sigs turned off.

let me respond to Jib first.
Jib that wasn't a joke, remember all the flames HB got when he started RD 2.0?

[Mac Drettj]

Nihilum tries to say they use a DKP system,



when in actuality it is a loot council where the officer core decides who gets loot.



There are several reasons that Nihilum tries to make people think that they use a DKP system now. Everyone knows that DKP systems are fairer. In a DKP system every person who shows up to raids acquires DKP and then is allowed to spend that DKP on specific loot that they want for their main or alt.

In Nihilum this is not the case. They don’t let you get loot unless it’s for a main, and then you have to purchase items for alts with plat. The Nihilum FQers will say that the cash goes to buying components; peridots, emeralds, sky/hate stones etc. I’m sure Nihilum had over a mil in plat. That was enough to keep them going for years. Why not allow people to spend DKP on pixels that they helped Nihilum earn?

The reason is very simple. It’s greed.

In Velious Nihilum says they will go to a “bid” DKP system instead of their current loot council. This is simply untrue. If they wanted to do a DKP system they would have done it by now. This is the perfect time to test a new DKP system instead of trying to drop it when Velious releases. By testing it now they could make changes and tweaks before Velious drops. The Nihilum leadership who farmed this box for years feels they deserve loot more than some new guy who showed up in the last few months. They will even change DKP logs to try to fool new members if they have to.


By only giving loot to mains the leadership is able to keep a majority of the pixel farmed and profits from those pixels to themselves. They can use their loyal members to keep farming items, and not allow members to spend their hard earned DKP on items they helped farm. Leadership can even RMT items or plat for real cash if they can’t afford that case of Mt. Dew and hot pockets. Nihilum leadership gains nothing by using DKP, and the inner core looses free slave labor.

tl:dr version
Pikrib was bored at work and wanted to start a new thread.

Thanks for spending time thoroughly analyzing the loot system of a guild your not associated with.

[Jib]

I got sigs turned off.

let me respond to Jib first.
Jib that wasn't a joke, remember all the flames HB got when he started RD 2.0?

yeah all i meant was bringing up what hb did with rd gb is such a deep wound bringing it up will surely cause him to stop posting and concede FQ for the moment

[heartbrand]

I'm swimming in loot from red dawn feels real good

[Jib]

i had 250 dkp saw nothing. HB stabbed me in the back working with nilly i guild disbanded some how i ruined rd and im the bad guy.

/baffled

[Mac Drettj]

i had 250 dkp saw nothing. HB stabbed me in the back working with nilly i guild disbanded some how i ruined rd and im the bad guy.

/baffled

Cry bout it

[Zalaerian]

Cure shield
Queen shield
Epic

Man RD treated me well....Pras hb

[Mac Drettj]

Dayum big gains tbrs. Pras.

[heartbrand]

i had 250 dkp saw nothing. HB stabbed me in the back working with nilly i guild disbanded some how i ruined rd and im the bad guy.

/baffled

Your low iq is prolly why you're on craigslist looking for locksmith jobs

[Jib]

doesn't get any less classy than that

[Pikrib]

Thanks for spending time thoroughly analyzing the loot system of a guild your not associated with.

YW did your guild have fun critiquing RD's loot system or Azrael's loot system?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143251&page=8

[Pikrib]

i had 250 dkp saw nothing. HB stabbed me in the back working with nilly i guild disbanded some how i ruined rd and im the bad guy.

/baffled

Dude you were posting RD forum posts on the Azrael website...

[Jib]

Dude you were posting RD forum posts on the Azrael website...

wait what?

[Mac Drettj]

We got us an investigative eq emu journalist here yall

[Jib]

?

[Mac Drettj]

A Monkey could do your jib

[Jib]

slander aint cool man, i did so much for red dawn and I was really down when the

http://puu.sh/97WeY/7cb0458354.jpg

happened and forced me to guild disband.

if you are going to have claims such as i was feeding info and a spy in RD for azrael thats pretty fucked up. site some sources, show a screenshot, some dates or something.

[no chewie dont]

immersion levels off the charts
p.s. didnt read yet prolly wont /shrug

[Mac Drettj]

Needs to jimmy his reality levels

[Jib]

im going fishing its nice out be back in a bit

[Gaffin 7.0]

nice novels will save for a rainy day

[Kergan]

Pretty good OP by Pikrib in forumquest terms tbo. This post might bump it to page 8, well done.

[Genedin]

I'm swimming in loot from red dawn feels real good

stereotypes exist for a reason

[Super Hater]

Nihilum tries to say they use a DKP system,



when in actuality it is a loot council where the officer core decides who gets loot.



There are several reasons that Nihilum tries to make people think that they use a DKP system now. Everyone knows that DKP systems are fairer. In a DKP system every person who shows up to raids acquires DKP and then is allowed to spend that DKP on specific loot that they want for their main or alt.

In Nihilum this is not the case. They don’t let you get loot unless it’s for a main, and then you have to purchase items for alts with plat. The Nihilum FQers will say that the cash goes to buying components; peridots, emeralds, sky/hate stones etc. I’m sure Nihilum had over a mil in plat. That was enough to keep them going for years. Why not allow people to spend DKP on pixels that they helped Nihilum earn?

The reason is very simple. It’s greed.

In Velious Nihilum says they will go to a “bid” DKP system instead of their current loot council. This is simply untrue. If they wanted to do a DKP system they would have done it by now. This is the perfect time to test a new DKP system instead of trying to drop it when Velious releases. By testing it now they could make changes and tweaks before Velious drops. The Nihilum leadership who farmed this box for years feels they deserve loot more than some new guy who showed up in the last few months. They will even change DKP logs to try to fool new members if they have to.


By only giving loot to mains the leadership is able to keep a majority of the pixel farmed and profits from those pixels to themselves. They can use their loyal members to keep farming items, and not allow members to spend their hard earned DKP on items they helped farm. Leadership can even RMT items or plat for real cash if they can’t afford that case of Mt. Dew and hot pockets. Nihilum leadership gains nothing by using DKP, and the inner core looses free slave labor.

tl:dr version
Pikrib was bored at work and wanted to start a new thread.

Wow. Who cares? Don't join the guild? You only need to read the first couple sentences to figure out its some whiny nerd shit.

[Pikrib]

The Great Milenko
Alright sorry this took so long. It doesn’t only affect me, it affects the whole server. 99 percent of the loot on this server is funneled through Nihilum greedy hands.

This was Nihilum guild bank sales document:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoZGrkuH4lL2dEgxTm9Ka2FpdlRxSHh3SDVqdEhZQ mc#gid=0

Notice the first item on the list and you can see the price gouging going on. Cleric trak BP=600k plat.

600,000pp 600,000pp 600,000pp once more for good measure 600,000pp! One item on the list will supply Nihilum’s raid costs for a year. (where is the rest of the cash going?)

You basically had to sell out and join Nihilum to get anything good on this server. Or you could farm plat till your eyes bled and you got carpel tunnel. Nihilum had a stranglehold on the server economy, and that is Y one shouldn’t just blindly join Nihilum. You’re feeding the machine and ruining the server.

If Nihilum used a true DKP system someone could spend DKP on said BP, and sell it for a reasonable price on the open market if they didn't want to use it anymore. Nihilum leadership does not allow this.

I’ll post more reasons later. I got work to do ATM.

[Kergan]

If you think 600k will cover a 50+ man raid force for a year you've never played in an EQ raiding guild.

[Pikrib]

Do you think 600k is reasonable for a track BP. A mob u can down twice a week.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Sky keys now cost like 400p each (blended) and soul stones cost 200+ each. Shits expensive.


That and dots. Lots of dots.

It's expensive to run any raiding guild.

[Kergan]

Do you think 600k is reasonable for a track BP. A mob u can down twice a week.

What you don't see is the member price. I'll give you an example from the current spreadsheet not yet released to the public.

Singing Steel Breastplate Out of guild price: 40000 Member price: 15000

So yeah, we don't really want to sell shit out of the guild unless it's garbage we don't want. If someone wants to make a retarded insane offer on something like a cleric BP we'll do it but that same 600k BP was going to members for 15k.

[R Flair]

If Nihilum used a true DKP system someone could spend DKP on said BP, and sell it for a reasonable price on the open market if they didn't want to use it anymore. Nihilum leadership does not allow this.


Of course they don't allow it. In what fucked up reality should individuals be allowed to directly profit off the work of others when the items could be used on member alts to empower the guild? Thats basically embezzling.

No wonder you retards are getting stomped on when you can't understand basic policies that are used in every facet of society.

[Mac Drettj]

Pikrib still mad in here? Can't tell cus tldr.

[Kergan]

Nah he just trolling but not really making much sense with it.

[Pikrib]

New prices suck I must agree. Lets break it down though shall we?
1k+ a week on hate stones.(pre nerf price, twoish runs a week) 10,000pp a year est
1k+ a week on sky stones.(pre nerf price, twoish runs a week) 10,000pp a year est
Gems 200,000p a yr. est.
sky keys+misc. 20,000p

240,000pp a year ish to run a raiding guild.
600,000pp the price for a donals BP which drops on average once ever 9-12 days.

[Pikrib]

What you don't see is the member price. I'll give you an example from the current spreadsheet not yet released to the public.

Singing Steel Breastplate Out of guild price: 40000 Member price: 15000

So yeah, we don't really want to sell shit out of the guild unless it's garbage we don't want. If someone wants to make a retarded insane offer on something like a cleric BP we'll do it but that same 600k BP was going to members for 15k.

Kergan this is exactly my point. I couldn't have said it better. Stagnating server economy ruining the server.

[Kergan]

Kergan this is exactly my point. I couldn't have said it better. Stagnating server economy ruining the server.

So now you're complaining we don't give you and other members of the opposition access to loot we get off dragon kills?

I mean, as a reasonable person you must understand how retarded it sounds.

[heartbrand]

the whole guild bank thing never existed like this on live, because new expacs were coming out every 8-12 months, and just as you started farming content new content was out. The whole "Trakanon #572" thing just never happened.

[Kergan]

Pikrib should petition GMs for banning our guild banks then, that stuff would be sold to the public by now. Now our reserves are low the rest of the server aint gonna see jack shit for awhile.

[India]

Your figures for running a guild are low.

I'm just using averages here..


Clerics
Assume 5 clerics go thru 8 stacks of dots each a week (guarantee that most clerics use the "guild" dots to buff groups too)
40 stacks of dots (round out to 200pp per stack) a week x 52 weeks = 416,000pp

Enchanters use dots too
Assume 3 enchanters go thru 4 stacks each a week. 12 stacks x 52 weeks = 124,800

Sky raids
Assuming 4 raids in sky a week x 4 groups generally (though there are always stragglers that need ported up)
235pp a stone * 4 groups, 4x week, 52 weeks = 195,520pp

Hate
Usually attended more heavily than sky, so 7 ports per raid (stragglers, late comers, getting an alt up to loot a rot item, etc. )
100pp stone * 7 groups, 3x week, 52 weeks = 109,200

Total for a year assuming costs are spread out to only the number of characters listed above 845,520

Now knowing that the costs listed above are not incurred by just 1 wizard doing all the ports, or 5 clerics doing all the buffing, etc you can easily extrapolate that costs associated in dots and stones alone is well over 1 million a year, and that's not counting other incidentals.

[Zalaerian]

I easily burn a stack of dots a day. Repop day 3-4

[India]

I easily burn a stack of dots a day. Repop day 3-4

I knew I was under a bit with my estimates for clerics, but wow, I was way under in my estimate for enchanters then :)

Just proves my point that even with the posted numbers, running a guild is not as cheap as Pikrib makes it out to be

[heartbrand]

man you're buffing 2 many non factors if you're burning 80 dots on raid day, stop buffing the sandbags

[Kergan]

Your figures for running a guild are low.

I'm just using averages here..


Clerics
Assume 5 clerics go thru 8 stacks of dots each a week (guarantee that most clerics use the "guild" dots to buff groups too)
40 stacks of dots (round out to 200pp per stack) a week x 52 weeks = 416,000pp

Enchanters use dots too
Assume 3 enchanters go thru 4 stacks each a week. 12 stacks x 52 weeks = 124,800

Sky raids
Assuming 4 raids in sky a week x 4 groups generally (though there are always stragglers that need ported up)
235pp a stone * 4 groups, 4x week, 52 weeks = 195,520pp

Hate
Usually attended more heavily than sky, so 7 ports per raid (stragglers, late comers, getting an alt up to loot a rot item, etc. )
100pp stone * 7 groups, 3x week, 52 weeks = 109,200

Total for a year assuming costs are spread out to only the number of characters listed above 845,520

Now knowing that the costs listed above are not incurred by just 1 wizard doing all the ports, or 5 clerics doing all the buffing, etc you can easily extrapolate that costs associated in dots and stones alone is well over 1 million a year, and that's not counting other incidentals.

And this doesn't even cover the costs of coffins or sky keys.

I didn't bother responding to Pikrib's numbers because they are so far off it's not worth debating. 600k probably would have lasted Red Dawn a year but it's maybe a third of what we need, if that. The whole premise was retarded, as we've never sold anything for 600k and the reason it was priced at 600k is that we didn't want to sell it in the first place. It was a "make me an offer I can't refuse" type price. That exact same BP sold for 15K or less, or was just given to a new cleric for free.

He is just trying to stir shit up with no idea what he is talking about, no reason to justify it any more with legitimate responses. :P

[Kergan]

man you're buffing 2 many non factors if you're burning 80 dots on raid day, stop buffing the sandbags

Sandbag buffing so expensive!

[Mac Drettj]

I always ask for rune

That's why I'm the best

[Kergan]

I ask for rune then cannibalize then ask for rune again lololol

Someone photoshop a picture of me lighting a cigar with a flaming peridot.

[Dacuk]

you guys are pathetic

[Pikrib]

Pikrib should petition GMs for banning our guild banks then, that stuff would be sold to the public by now. Now our reserves are low the rest of the server aint gonna see jack shit for awhile.

I think your guild banks are already banned. No point in petitioning

[Pikrib]

Alright some pretty funny shit finally happening in this thread. Too bad i'm done with work.

/FQ off

[Mac Drettj]

Kew kew

[Vamael]

Loot council worked just find for myself in PDM vel - pop I was extremely happy with it.

[Clark]

I was one of the most vocal people in Nihilum for reform of the loot system, and I can sincerely say that the accountability is at an all time high currently. I wouldn't say its perfect, or even the system id use in my own guild, but it is fair.

ROFL yaaa okay

[Gaffin 7.0]

loot council worked well in my guilds, like realm of insanity and a few others shrug

[Colgate]

wow

some real pathetic shit going on in this thread

[Buhbuh]

Did not read thread because who gives a shit when the only guild getting loot is the one people are bashing.

I.e. look at Nihilum players in comparison to others on server.

Also will not be coming back to thread because every other point is moot when it's directed toward a guild dominating the content and changing loot systems come Winter 2037 when loot actually means something.

[Clark]

Actually Thrilla is BiS between red and blue if people want to be technical. Dem hoshkar slippers

And he is still a MF scrub

[Zemgus]

fuck loot making you bitches whine is all i need

[Zemgus]

how sick u all are for playing this SHITBOX

please fucking ban this asshole

[Kergan]

I think your guild banks are already banned. No point in petitioning

Sorry meant to say UNBAN our guildbanks so we can flood the market with treasures of untold value.

[Tradesonred]

Twice in Nihi, in 2012 and 2014 i got offered stuff as a fresh new recruit

I was offered torpor but had it already after like a week or 2 of being in Nihilum this time around

I got my issues with some in Nihilum but i can honestly say its been the less loot whoring environement ive been in, during my time on the server. (Red dawn was fine as well)

Too bad i get bored easily of EQ as a shaman, im not cut out to be a buff bot 6-8 hours a nite

[Rallyd]

Hi

[Rellapse40]

everytime i see a new post pop up with the last poster RallyD

i literally wanna punch my mom

ur 1 annoying fat twerp

[FaithlessKR]

Loot council worked just find for myself in PDM vel - pop I was extremely happy with it.

Loot council CAN work fine, yes. I've been in several guilds on several different games where loot council worked great for the betterment of the guild. However, you have to make sure that you guys follow certain criteria before awarding loot:

a) Do they put in enough work to deserve it? (does anyone else?? moreso??)

b) Have they been with us long enough to deserve such an item? (the more valuable an item, the more you need to consider this)

c) Is there a class who could better utilize this item?

and the most important piece

d) Does this person have the drive and commitment to stick it out through rough times with us and not make this item go to waste for our guild?

Following this criteria makes the loot council system work for a progression guild. However, getting to the point where you fit the criteria for a guild can be extremely frustrating to some....but hey you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Littlegyno 11.0]

Loot council CAN work fine, yes. I've been in several guilds on several different games where loot council worked great for the betterment of the guild. However, you have to make sure that you guys follow certain criteria before awarding loot:



Following this criteria makes the loot council system work for a progression guild. However, getting to the point where you fit the criteria for a guild can be extremely frustrating to some....but hey you gotta do what you gotta do.

why do you even care what system nihilum uses? you suck lites dick 4 loot, keep it 2 urself.

[Rellapse40]

u pay 4 dkp 2 win

[FaithlessKR]

why do you even care what system nihilum uses? you suck lites dick 4 loot, keep it 2 urself.

?

I don't care, and Lite has never given me loot.

[Uuruk]

u pay 4 dkp 2 win

Stop posting.

[Pikrib]

Who is Zemgus and Y is he so mad all the time?

[Rellapse40]

I don't think he is in my guild. He just stole lazies Sig and tries to pass himself off as him sometimes.

Looks like a gay guy to me.

[Pikrib]

So he is gay and angry.

Got it.

*edit

and a thief

[Marqus]

Nilly loot system so bad they handed me, on a silver platter, a mage epic while I was a recruit.

Pixel showers, bros.

[Bazia]

Nilly loot system so bad they handed me, on a silver platter, a mage epic while I was a recruit.

Pixel showers, bros.

this post, was, really, tite

[Genedin]

Stop posting.

Why the fuck is this guy with the neckbeard loser bluebie bullshit guild ugly ass non-factor signature posting on red forums? Don't you have a sock to be shitting in?

[Quiet]

Just remember Azrael's Loot system

Pixels ----> Lite & Crew <----- Pixels
More Pixels -----> Lite & Crew < ----- More Pixels
Left over high end pixels ----- > Lite's Alts and crew <----- Left over high end pixels

Time spent in guild = Nothing.
DKP system = For show

[Nirgon]

Actually Thrilla is decked out with items he will replace in Velious

Love dat guy tho

[mtb tripper]

Love dat guy tho

bring stossel back