I Want to Play EQ In Its Entirety

[drew0987654]

...so I'll be deleting my char and starting over on SoE's official Trakanon server (deserted) with a brand new guild and I need others to join me. the rules for this guild will be:

1) no mercs
2) no free aa's
3) no free lvl 85 chars
4) no defiant gear or gear gifted through the completion of an achievement
5) no fast travel (PoK is allowed but must be exited the same way it was entered)
6) non-guildmembers can't be partied with.
7) no hacking
8) no bots
9) no boxing
10) "double xp" etc days translate to "vacation from eq today"
11) strict death penalty: you must log out upon death w/o res and can't play again on that char for 24 hours, and post of your failure as punishment in a thread that I'll later create specifically for this purpose.

I recently quit this game b/c the first 16 games in this series have been trivialized. they can be skipped in a second as though they were just a tutorial... even if you don't opt to skip them, you can get to 85 easily anyway with the insane stat-capping gear and mercs that they've recently added.

the purpose of this new guild that I'll be starting next week, "Death or Glory," is to give meaning back to those games and I plan to go through each one in sequential order if I can find others who'd like to join me. if anyone has better ideas for a death penalty or any other rules they'd like to request, I'm all ears, especially if there are any shortcuts that I forgot to exclude like any other special gear. I can't be the only person in the "I'd love to play Live but they've just trivialized it too much" boat....

[Swish]

Trakanon got shut down and merged into Tunare in 2009/2010? Or did they put another one of the same name up in its place?

It's what made me quit live actually, SOE gives no shits what happens to their servers/communities.

[Swish]

Also...

http://i.imgur.com/0YFFvpw.png

no ty

[drew0987654]

good point, SC shouldn't be allowed either. oh and yeah Trakanon is still around... it started in 2010.... tunare merged with e'ci and later the 7th hammer.

[Champion_Standing]

Would rather play on PEQ

[Tasslehofp99]

Would rather play on PEQ

would rather just not play EQ at all, lol

[myriverse]

...so I'll be deleting my char and starting over on SoE's official Trakanon server (deserted) with a brand new guild and I need others to join me. the rules for this guild will be:

1) no mercs
2) no free aa's
3) no free lvl 85 chars
4) no defiant gear or gear gifted through the completion of an achievement
5) no fast travel (PoK is allowed but must be exited the same way it was entered)
6) non-guildmembers can't be partied with.
7) no hacking
8) no bots
9) no boxing
10) "double xp" etc days translate to "vacation from eq today"
11) strict death penalty: you must log out upon death w/o res and can't play again on that char for 24 hours, and post of your failure as punishment in a thread that I'll later create specifically for this purpose.
How would you even go about policing this policy? Most of them really, but this especially.

[Gaffin 7.0]

most retarded thread of 2014

[blondeattk]

alternatively.......get alife and have some cream & scones....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/169245569887252/photos/

brass knobs FTW

[radditsu]

Would rather play on PEQ

[drew0987654]

How would you even go about policing this policy? Most of them really, but this especially.

why would anyone want to play on a deserted server with this guild if this isn't what they wanted? and I'm willing to compromise on the death penalty, someone on the official EQ forums said that he'd rather the death penalty be: bag all of your items and walk back to your corpse. I liked that one and it will probably change. I just figured that a strict death penalty was something that the ppl who this sort of guild would attract would want.

all I really wanted was "no free aa's," but upon listening to the arguments of everyone else who quit this game I figured I would need to do a lot more than this to get those who already quit this game interested again. sadly, over 70% of you have no desire to play all of the expansions worth of eq and would rather the first 2, or alternatively 3, or up to PoP... or up to OoW.... the variations on this that I've heard are crazy. b4 jumping in with 2 feet I guess I should have really figured out what ppl would like for a death penalty first.

[Swish]

It just strikes me that SOE have left a deserted server up, they're usually so keen to merge, merge and merge some more.

[myriverse]

Well, the server is deserted, for one. It's better to play with a guild you don't fully agree with than possibly none at all. And if no one happens to be around, then how's anyone going to know what an individual is up to? On a deserted server, you're more likely to be on when few or no other guildies are around.

[bigshowtime]

Dumbest thing I ever heard

[drew0987654]

It just strikes me that SOE have left a deserted server up, they're usually so keen to merge, merge and merge some more.

there are theories on what SoE will do with it, but why bother with hearsay? I wish they'd merge more servers if they had the hardware to handle it, more ppl = more fun. it sucks that they had to merge b/c of loss of players though :(

but also... overcrowding is pretty much the way it was 1999 if I was informed correctly, so what could be wrong with mergin'? :p

[drew0987654]

Well, the server is deserted, for one. It's better to play with a guild you don't fully agree with than possibly none at all. And if no one happens to be around, then how's anyone going to know what an individual is up to? On a deserted server, you're more likely to be on when few or no other guildies are around.

I really wish it was better than not playing at all but I just couldn't play any more. I refused to take the free aa's you have the option for as soon as you reach the level requirements which made me suck compared to everyone else who took them... and I didn't want to play alone either so........

but I figure if there are like-minded ppl out there then I have a chance to play again but if not I guess I'll just have to miss out on this one :(

[drew0987654]

Dumbest thing I ever heard

most retarded thread of 2014

LOL. you: "an unofficial server where we play eq the way it was b4 scars of velious with just a few hundred members? sign me up! a guild on an official server that doesn't allow most of the things that we believe ruined eq? THAT IS EASILY, BY FAR, THE DUMBEST THING I EVER HEARD." rofl

[username17]

I was interested until I clicked over to the EQ forums and saw how OP handled himself there.
https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/i-want-to-play-eq-in-its-entirety.211840/

This is an out of context quote so take it with a grain of salt.
LOL oh man that's good! you take "humiliation" that seriously?! "honor/respect/pride/shame" means that much to you, does it? silly.... this is OBVIOUSLY fetishistic too, only a weirdo freak would be into punishment, right?! you're not supposed to like it, lol.... I mean, scratch that, lol how could we ever play eq w/o the doms whipping us when we lose?! of course we should fulfill our perverse sexual desires while playing eq, 2 birds with 1 stone! you'd think I said you'd have to walk around in your wife's pantyhose if you died, lol... sooooo funny, this is my new favorite post, thanks man.

for every hall of fame there is a hall of shame....

"humiliation for the LOOOOOOOSERRR"

[Swish]

Bring back classic EQ2. If anyone in the party dies you all lose XP.

[Gaffin 7.0]

LOL. you: "an unofficial server where we play eq the way it was b4 scars of velious with just a few hundred members? sign me up! a guild on an official server that doesn't allow most of the things that we believe ruined eq? THAT IS EASILY, BY FAR, THE DUMBEST THING I EVER HEARD." rofl

no you are just a fucking idiot if you think anyone is going to go to live and play by those rules.

play live how it is or dont, they are never going to make it classic

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

How would you even go about policing this policy? Most of them really, but this especially.

All them, frankly. I can picture it now:

GL: You used PoK!
Smokey: No, I didn't, I bought a druid port.
GL: You used PoK!
Smokey: No I didn't man, now let's raid, ok?
GL: Smokey, this isn't live, this is a progression guild with rules, and you used PoK, which is against the rules.
Smokey: No way man, come on, let's just raid, jeez.

GL: http://media.giphy.com/media/MWDLf1EIUsoNy/giphy.gif


Smokey: Alright man, jeez, I'll gate and walk back, shit. (gates, goes LD)

GL: It's a progression guild, Smokey

[Swish]

All them, frankly. I can picture it now:

GL: You used PoK!
Smokey: No, I didn't, I bought a druid port.
GL: You used PoK!
Smokey: No I didn't man, now let's raid, ok?
GL: Smokey, this isn't live, this is a progression guild with rules, and you used PoK, which is against the rules.
Smokey: No way man, come on, let's just raid, jeez.

GL: http://media.giphy.com/media/MWDLf1EIUsoNy/giphy.gif


Smokey: Alright man, jeez, I'll gate and walk back, shit. (gates, goes LD)

GL: It's a progression guild, Smokey

lol, good post/great gif

[drew0987654]

I was interested until I clicked over to the EQ forums and saw how OP handled himself there.
https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/i-want-to-play-eq-in-its-entirety.211840/

This is an out of context quote so take it with a grain of salt.

that's pretty sad, guy.... he posted a hilarious response and I had a good lol, what's not to get? can you seriously not tell what parts of that post are sarcasm? dude.... here's a hint: simply assume that I'm a normal person or a buddy of your's goofing around maybe, and see how weird that post is then. damn...........

for those of you who haven't seen that thread, some guy looks at my death penalty and equates it with BDSM culture. my post in response to his was largely based not off of what he said but EVERYTHING that it implies... the implications are just hilarious, aren't they?.......... for one example, you do know what Freud would say about his post, don't you? I give ppl too much credit I think.... oh and the last 2 lines of mine were quotes, haven't you ever seen "Kenny vs Spenny"???? I know it's the internet but it should be pretty easy to tell when someone's being serious or not....

[drew0987654]

no you are just a fucking idiot if you think anyone is going to go to live and play by those rules.

play live how it is or dont, they are never going to make it classic

the logic train:

1) I want to play EQ, all 20 expansions.
2) I don't want to play with the bs mercs/fast travel/stat-capping gear, or anything else that trivializes the content. I don't want to skip the first 15 games and start raiding in COTF asap....
3) so, I try to start a guild that doesn't recognize any of that game-ruining shit.
4) I look on here.

obviously I'm going to look here. the ppl on the SOE forums are happy with eq as is, where the fuck else would I look for those interested besides the biggest group of ppl who are dissatisfied with eq as SOE has it, but who love eq? OMG THIS IS THE MOST RETARDED THING I EVER HEARD.

I do the hardest kenken puzzles in my head, in half an hour. in college and high school I slept through classes, didn't do homework or projects, and got straight A's and B's b/c I knew how to take tests. the only games of chess I remember losing are games in which I was winning but didn't bother making another move, as I was busy with playing poker professionally, which I've been doing since I was 20 years old, in fact that's what I dropped out of college for. yet you confuse me for an idiot, which pretty much makes you the "fucking idiot."

I'm sorry you couldn't imagine the simple logic I used to come here for support with a hardcore guild on live EQ. I imagined that some users here were here b/c they had the last straw somewhere with SOE's hand-holding features, I didn't think that every last one of you also necessarily needed a smaller game. I still believe a lot of p99's users would be interested, it's just that mostly only the die-hard are actually using this forum.

give us another constructive, witty post with an average of 3 letters per word and 2 sentences, now. 1500 posts, lol. clown.

[Gaffin 7.0]

nice novel didnt read, dont need to, i just know know you may find like 3 people, 5 at max, that will end up doing this but i doubt it you even get 1 or 2

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

nice novel didnt read, dont need to,

Jesus gaffin - it's like you are asking for it

[Gaffin 7.0]

if you can not tell this is the most stupid idea ever posted on the forums im sorry gnight

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

No no,,,, your right, i just couldnt resist. Im with ya man. LOCK THIS THRED!

[kaev]

nice novel didnt read, dont need to, i just know know you may find like 3 people, 5 at max, that will end up doing this but i doubt it you even get 1 or 2

So, 5 people, each of 'em six-boxes a group (it's totally :classic: man! :samdeathwalker.gif: )... they'd be raid ready, right?

[fastboy21]

i would go to test server, not the regular live ones. there are a few guilds there that are already doing this. its a lot of work to organize, especially if you plan to really enforce the rules.

from my experience in doing self-imposed progression content the biggest issues that will come up with your guild are how quickly to advance through content and how strictly to enforce your rules.

also, there is no way to enforce the "double exp" thing. the exp curve in eq is hardline changed now to help new players catch up. You will literally go from lvl 1 to 50 the way you would go from 1 to 10 in classic. there is no way to change this short of intentionally taking no-rez deaths to de-lvl...you will not be able to do a classic five hour guk grind without gaining 10 lvls or more.

[wycca]

i would go to test server, not the regular live ones. there are a few guilds there that are already doing this. its a lot of work to organize, especially if you plan to really enforce the rules.

from my experience in doing self-imposed progression content the biggest issues that will come up with your guild are how quickly to advance through content and how strictly to enforce your rules.

also, there is no way to enforce the "double exp" thing. the exp curve in eq is hardline changed now to help new players catch up. You will literally go from lvl 1 to 50 the way you would go from 1 to 10 in classic. there is no way to change this short of intentionally taking no-rez deaths to de-lvl...you will not be able to do a classic five hour guk grind without gaining 10 lvls or more.

They've quite literally gone and re-done the exp curve multiple times. There are now no hell levels, etc.

[fastboy21]

They've quite literally gone and re-done the exp curve multiple times. There are now no hell levels, etc.

loss of hell levels really isn't new...i think they smoothed that curve out as early as 2002ish?

the change i'm referring to is that you just can't force a classic lvl'ing experience on live now because you will quite literally ding every few kills up to at least lvl 50ish. you'll level way to fast.

so, most progression guilds focus on raid content experience---not on group exp content, which is what the OP sounds like he is looking for enforcing with his guild.

[redgiant]

As others like fastboy said, there are already guilds doing this, like one I am in on Trakanon:

Lost In Progression (http://lostinprogression.com/)

We are going through all eras, and recently opened Luclin. Most new folks are raid-ready in a few days to a week, since our goal now is to make it easy to join us raiding by using mercs to catch up rather than disallow them and make well-intended people quit.

Many of the rules mentioned we do follow, with some practical exceptions.
- we use PoK, AAs to current cap b/c it isn't worth trying to police things like that (and w/o EQPlayers, Magelo or a tool like my old guild Wrathful Inquisition used to have, there is no way to make it easy or fair)
- we use mercs to level (but prefer guild grouping), and never for raid or epic content unless it is on group-farm status
- we sometimes use high-level unguilded alts to check on non-instanced raid content availability, so we don't waste a night just looking for something in-era to kill (until Time B anyway)
- no ooe gear or zones, that we do check on
- we just opened up Luclin mounts (but no stats or market mounts)
- we have each era's criteria for advancing to the next era mapped out in a list before we begin it (like all nameds, events, keying, epics we want to do, including how many times minimum, whether whole guild or at least one member does it, etc.)
- we vote on everything, like when to unlock once criteria met, policy changes, etc.
- we round out raid force with alts if needed
- most members are veterans of many eras (classic through Deathknell is common)
- the main goal is to experience all the raid content of each era, while maintaining in-era rules and conventions as much as is possible (and practical) given the current EQ state.

Even though we know the fights, sticking to the most important era limitations makes for interesting if not challenging content. Sure, we waltz through some things, but we can also wipe to others. And we are only in Luclin, which everyone knows doesn't have the relative difficulty of PoP, GoD or OoW onward. The OP factor lessens as the eras do.

I would recommend taking a look at our site or talk to someone in-game before trying to start another progression guild up.

[redgiant]

On a somewhat-related-to-why-progression-guilds-exist note, I log into p99 sometimes just to see

"There are 95 players in East Commonlands"

[drew0987654]

As others like fastboy said, there are already guilds doing this, like one I am in on Trakanon:

Lost In Progression (http://lostinprogression.com/)

We are going through all eras, and recently opened Luclin. Most new folks are raid-ready in a few days to a week, since our goal now is to make it easy to join us raiding by using mercs to catch up rather than disallow them and make well-intended people quit.

Many of the rules mentioned we do follow, with some practical exceptions.
- we use PoK, AAs to current cap b/c it isn't worth trying to police things like that (and w/o EQPlayers, Magelo or a tool like my old guild Wrathful Inquisition used to have, there is no way to make it easy or fair)
- we use mercs to level (but prefer guild grouping), and never for raid or epic content unless it is on group-farm status
- we sometimes use high-level unguilded alts to check on non-instanced raid content availability, so we don't waste a night just looking for something in-era to kill (until Time B anyway)
- no ooe gear or zones, that we do check on
- we just opened up Luclin mounts (but no stats or market mounts)
- we have each era's criteria for advancing to the next era mapped out in a list before we begin it (like all nameds, events, keying, epics we want to do, including how many times minimum, whether whole guild or at least one member does it, etc.)
- we vote on everything, like when to unlock once criteria met, policy changes, etc.
- we round out raid force with alts if needed
- most members are veterans of many eras (classic through Deathknell is common)
- the main goal is to experience all the raid content of each era, while maintaining in-era rules and conventions as much as is possible (and practical) given the current EQ state.

Even though we know the fights, sticking to the most important era limitations makes for interesting if not challenging content. Sure, we waltz through some things, but we can also wipe to others. And we are only in Luclin, which everyone knows doesn't have the relative difficulty of PoP, GoD or OoW onward. The OP factor lessens as the eras do.

I would recommend taking a look at our site or talk to someone in-game before trying to start another progression guild up.

just to be helpful, the site didn't tell me much. I would have had to create an account there just to view the forum or even apply to the guild. I did research on it though and found out that you guys started this january and recently got into luclin after less than 5 months in. you must almost be on PoP by now.... I can see how a new progression guild would fuck things up for you, but how many new players could you even get with how fast you're going and the fact that you're already almost done with luclin anyway? it doesn't seem very possible to catch up b4 you guys are in lost dungeons of norrath at the very earliest, and that would involve playing nonstop or getting PL'd, but someone willing to get PL'd doesn't seem much like the sort of person who would want to sign up in the first place.

I'm not even going for a progression guild here, just a guild that ignores the hand-holding features and everyone who uses them. it was just falsely assumed that I was going for a progression guild, probably b/c I said I wanted to play through everything in this game.

[drew0987654]

nice novel didnt read, dont need to, i just know know you may find like 3 people, 5 at max, that will end up doing this but i doubt it you even get 1 or 2

your ignorant and stupid beliefs are expressed through posts that I would estimate require a kindergarten-1st grade reading skill, why should I give a damn? btw, thanks for giving me exactly what I asked for in that "novel" that you "didnt read."

give us another constructive, witty post with an average of 3 letters per word and 2 sentences, now. 1500 posts, lol. clown.

[Gaffin 7.0]

your ignorant and stupid beliefs are expressed through posts that I would estimate require a kindergarten-1st grade reading skill, why should I give a damn? btw, thanks for giving me exactly what I asked for in that "novel" that you "didnt read."

Nah just coming from someone who has been in and still is in top guilds on live, From stromm progression beating that in realm of insanity, to currently in fire in fury on FV still raiding top content, this idea is stupid.

You really think people are gonna follow all the rules you mention when they can be so easily broke? Playing on a timeline restricted server is much better chances of having fun and not doing that.

Sorry you think im stupid and in 1st grade if you cant even grasp that simple concept

moran

[redgiant]

just to be helpful, the site didn't tell me much. I would have had to create an account there just to view the forum or even apply to the guild. I did research on it though and found out that you guys started this january and recently got into luclin after less than 5 months in. you must almost be on PoP by now.... I can see how a new progression guild would fuck things up for you, but how many new players could you even get with how fast you're going and the fact that you're already almost done with luclin anyway? it doesn't seem very possible to catch up b4 you guys are in lost dungeons of norrath at the very earliest, and that would involve playing nonstop or getting PL'd, but someone willing to get PL'd doesn't seem much like the sort of person who would want to sign up in the first place.

I'm not even going for a progression guild here, just a guild that ignores the hand-holding features and everyone who uses them. it was just falsely assumed that I was going for a progression guild, probably b/c I said I wanted to play through everything in this game.

For the record, I'm sympathetic to most of the things you wish were doable today:

But ...

You could play naked and not have 1/4th of the trouble killing mobs. Relative mob strength and game dumbing-down have no way for players to counter it.

Just emulating a death penalty and corpse run is hard to do:
- Resurrect at your bind point (which I assume would not be PoK)
- Inventory everything you have on
- Die to guards on purpose maybe 2-3 more times to make the XP loss about what it would have been long ago
- Get SoW from a selfcast or guildmate (b/c there are no general buffers around any more)
- Run naked all the way back to wherever you were (using no maps of course)
- Hope you don't need to take any boats (you will be forced to suffer the indignity of a TL instead)
- Kneel at your where your corpse would have been, pretend to loot the pretend corpse while putting on your inventory again

And that is just one small attempt to emulate one original gameplay concept. No matter what you try, it just won't feel as epicly painful as it really was.


IMPEDIMENT #1: The game play itself has changed and become much too easy to emulate the myriad difficulties we used to endure.

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Then there's the player base. People today just will not do what you ask. They don't think the same, they have gotten used to a spoon-fed game world of MMOs in the past decade, they are used to linear quest hubs not exploration/grinding camps, they aren't into grouping as the norm like it used to be, they don't even think paying a consistent and equal mere $15/month is fair (despite is being about the cost of one movie ticket today).

You can thank WoW for the devolution. They started the whole push for dumbing down mechanics, originally in the name of better gameplay and less hassle, and later in the name of letting 2-year olds play it. And they were right, in a business sense. Retaining the old MMO soul was never their goal nor responsibility, making money was. But if it hadn't been WoW, it would have been some other game; it was bound to happen as tech and the Internet advanced on us.

Today's MMO audience is conditioned to believe an MMO is a collection of single-player experiences that happen to be going on simultaneously, and every individual is The Hero instead of working collectively to be one. It is what the developers wanted to instill, b/c it is easier to create, tune and run MMO worlds that operate like that than the ones we had over a decade ago.

You will not change that, nor find enough other people who will do what it would take to combat that mindset. The game will fight against your mindset at every turn.


IMPEDIMENT #2: The game goals aren't the same as your goals, and in many ways are directly counter to them. Games devolved in lock step with the growing but devolved available audience for business reasons.

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If you sat in a movie theatre today with the typical MMO player base, you would walk out before the previews were done. If 1% of MMO chat were said in any public venue, you would be thrown out or arrested. Yet we are for some reason expected to tolerate the ridiculous mismatch of personalities while in a game.

This is a big deal for mature players, but the immature ones are either oblivious or don't care. The social balance of ostracizing assholes by not grouping with them is gone, since grouping is no longer needed. There is no penalty for a bad reputation now.

Developers of a game would rather have a million compartmentalized assholes soloing than a thousand happy, cooperating players.


IMPEDIMENT #3: Old-school MMOs were very dependent on the mindset of other players around you to be successfully immersive. And most of those players around you today are sociopaths, children or both, with no natural ostracizing in-game to keep them on the fringe of play.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

moran
:eek:

[PDX0621]

For some of us less knowledgeable about live, can someone explain the "merc" thing everyone keeps referring to?

[Laugher]

Mercenaries (mercs) were added when the player base dropped (post-wow release) to help automate part of the group and make it easier for the solo (and groupless) char to get around, and if you choose to continue to pay your sub fee like it used to be required then you get access to more powerful mercenaries

They come in 4 classes: Cleric, Warrior, Wizard, Rogue

you can only have 1 at a time, but if you 2 box you can have 1 per each char; 3 max in a group (if you 3 box+ 3 mercs). So if you decided to say afk conveniently on a fast respawn with a 2 box that had a war and cler merc then your automated buddies would proceed to clean house without you even having to move.

There are different tiers: Apprentice are mercs for ppl without sub fees; journeyman mercs, although the cost more plat per every 15 mins than apprentice are subscriber mercs who are way awesome. THere are quests for higher tiers of journeyman merc and now AAs and armor for them too

[PDX0621]

^^^ Wow, that's insane. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess.

[jarshale]

OP, stop shilling. Just like your last thread, no one wants to play on the abomination that is EQ live.

[captnamazing]

if you want to "Play EQ In Its Entirety" that means also playing at level 85 with mercs and w/e else, scrub.

[Rifter]

Nah just coming from someone who has been in and still is in top guilds on live, From stromm progression beating that in realm of insanity, to currently in fire in fury on FV still raiding top content, this idea is stupid.

You really think people are gonna follow all the rules you mention when they can be so easily broke? Playing on a timeline restricted server is much better chances of having fun and not doing that.

I'm shocked that somebody from RoI finds it hard to believe that people will follow the rules. Maybe because you guys exploited the fuck out of Stromm progression? Oh and the progression server too. Just because some people lack self control and break rules "because it's so easy to do" doesn't mean everyone does.

[drew0987654]

if you want to "Play EQ In Its Entirety" that means also playing at level 85 with mercs and w/e else, scrub.

nvm the average person who uses the word "scrub" as an insult.... "playing eq in its entirety" doesn't mean using mercs, free aa's, and gear that caps your stats b4 reaching level 40 - all of those things trivialize the 1st 15 games to the point where they're practically all skipped.

you must be newer than me somehow, so here's how the game works: f2p players start in Crescent Reach, go to Blightfire Moors, then Stone Hive, then Goru'kar Mesa. by this time they've seen nothing of the game but have all of their stats capped by their ridiculous gear and are basically invincible. it's impossible to die unless you're just retarded. it's boring. so I said, "well, I don't want to pay for this, I'll pay if I can get a group of like-minded ppl who don't want to use things for the purpose of skipping 90% of the game."

[drew0987654]

OP, stop shilling. Just like your last thread, no one wants to play on the abomination that is EQ live.

except for the tens of thousands that do? a lot of ppl on this forum have told me that they play live as well. if this guild were huge, I'm sure the folks here who have accounts on Live would wish they had started their chars with us.

[fastboy21]

I'm shocked that somebody from RoI finds it hard to believe that people will follow the rules. Maybe because you guys exploited the fuck out of Stromm progression? Oh and the progression server too. Just because some people lack self control and break rules "because it's so easy to do" doesn't mean everyone does.

i played a self-imposed progression guild twice now (both before launch of p99). we were relatively casual. at least half of our members were routinely attempting to break the self-imposed rules. its just too tempting for most folks.

if you want to be a tyrant officer/leader you can spend all your time policing this. you will end up having to bully/kick members from your guild for breaking rules and likely end up ruining the fun for many of the other players.

you might end up only getting a good group of folks that don't have any desire to skirt rules. but its not my experience. my advice, if you love classic eq, is just play here.

good luck though, whatever you choose.

[Rifter]

i played a self-imposed progression guild twice now (both before launch of p99). we were relatively casual. at least half of our members were routinely attempting to break the self-imposed rules. its just too tempting for most folks.

if you want to be a tyrant officer/leader you can spend all your time policing this. you will end up having to bully/kick members from your guild for breaking rules and likely end up ruining the fun for many of the other players.

you might end up only getting a good group of folks that don't have any desire to skirt rules. but its not my experience. my advice, if you love classic eq, is just play here.

good luck though, whatever you choose.

Don't doubt it, it's a shame though. I have no intentions of playing on that server, just find some of things being said amusing/sad.

[Tiggles]

This thread is hella dumb.

[Valdarious]

I just dont understand why you are coming here and posting in the Project 1999 forums to pull players away to the Live servers.
Why are you not doing this on the Live forums? If you do not play here, why bother to keep posting here.

[Grimjaw]

he is posting on live forums...
https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/i-want-to-play-eq-in-its-entirety.211840/

Except you can't, because the core systems are not remotely similar to what they were 15 years ago:

XP gains are massively inflated vs original. (Killing a level 1 orc pawn will give a ****-ton more xp today than it did 15 years ago).
Defenses are massively inflated vs original. (@Level 1 a level 3 mob would facerape you 15 years ago but barely tickles you today).
Spells. (The spell system is radically different than it was 15 years ago).
Endurance. (Didn't exist 15 years ago).
Maps. (Not on your list, and GL preventing people from loading them).
Modern UIs. (Not on your list, and GL preventing people from loading a decent UI).
OOC. (Didn't exist then, and GL preventing people from sitting).
Etc.

This is what made Al'Kabor special and why the progression servers will never be period-correct without a massive time investment that won't ever happen.

You can't go back.

lol I just want to go post on drew's sonyEQ forum page saying "you can get all this and more at project1999.com!"

[fastboy21]

he is posting on live forums...
https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/i-want-to-play-eq-in-its-entirety.211840/



lol I just want to go post on drew's sonyEQ forum page saying "you can get all this and more at project1999.com!"

you know its a bad idea when live and p99 players both agree...worlds are colliding, we aren't supposed to agree with live EQ about anything!! someone grab some duct tape to hold the fabric of the mmo universe together!!! arghhh! :eek:

[Grimjaw]

its actually sad reading all those replies from people saying "i would just love to experience classic EQ again" like damn drew u should start telling them about p1999, instead of feeding them some BS

[Gaffin 7.0]

I'm shocked that somebody from RoI finds it hard to believe that people will follow the rules. Maybe because you guys exploited the fuck out of Stromm progression? Oh and the progression server too. Just because some people lack self control and break rules "because it's so easy to do" doesn't mean everyone does.

Name 1 top guild during eq live's prime that didnt use exploits to their advantage? :rolleyes:

from triton and many other top guilds i been in everyone has at some point.

infact if you were a factor you would know most of the top 5 % ran mq2

[jarshale]

except for the tens of thousands that do? a lot of ppl on this forum have told me that they play live as well. if this guild were huge, I'm sure the folks here who have accounts on Live would wish they had started their chars with us.

Really now. How many people from this server have switched over to this guild of yours?

[Clark]

Also...

http://i.imgur.com/0YFFvpw.png

no ty

Haha fire beetles!!!

[Clark]

I just dont understand why you are coming here and posting in the Project 1999 forums to pull players away to the Live servers.
Why are you not doing this on the Live forums? If you do not play here, why bother to keep posting here.

[Briscoe]

Guys, the OP "got straight A's and B's b/c he knew how to take tests." He's obviously way smarter than all of us. Just STFU and listen to his brilliant ideas...

[phacemeltar]

gona be 3k players on blue in 2 weeks