Bard free server?

[Akain]

Any chance on having a bard free server?
Yeah, it fits the rules that high level bards can kite around mobs 1/2 their level in pretty much all flat outdoor zones but I don't remember half my deaths coming from being hit by some bards train. Even in lowbie dungeons there's bards pulling the whole zone. The sad thing is half the bards try to be cool about it.
Is there any other game that has the same non-linear freedom and level of difficulty (penalty of death) that this simulation has? Thanks

[Bboboo]

Real life kinda has the worst bards at the moment so I'd rule that one out too.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Lol

[Glenzig]

We have to end this blatant racism against bards. We have rights!!!

[daasgoot]

please don't quit, your tears are delicious.

[zanderklocke]

I always sort of feel guilt-struck by these posts, as if I'm somehow responsible for my class on the server. I think there is a way to play bards in a non-disruptive way and still do the things that only bards can do like pull a fair amount of mobs.

However, I never feel like there is full context in these type of posts. Did the original poster talk to the bard and see if they could work out something so the bard was not taking every last mob available in the zone or in areas where the disgruntled player was leveling?

What is the dividing or blurred line between a bard being disruptive and not respecting other players, and other players just whining out of jealousy and not really trying to work out something with the bard on an individual level? In some zones like Overthere, it's a common joke/mockery for people to come out swinging at bards in OOC; perhaps this is sometimes deserved.

On the opposing side, I'm not really a big fan of the whole argument, "Go level somewhere else where bards aren't leveling." People should play the game where they want to.

I guess my overall feeling is that the problem lies both with bards that don't really respect other players' leveling areas and those leveling in common bard kiting areas, that instead of trying talk to the bard through tells, jump to inflammatory comments in OOC or even to immediate petition, which then wastes GMs time over something that could be solved by simple communication.

Just play nice everyone and share the sandbox!

[myriverse]

Play dat funky music, bards!

[Champion_Standing]

There seems to be a group of recently rolled bards invading the server. Probably plat farming RMT bots.

[Glenzig]

There seems to be a group of recently rolled bards invading the server. Probably plat farming RMT bots.

See this is the type of negative stereotype that we need to change. Bards are people too!!! Don't vilify us to appease your lack of mass kiting ability!!!

[Kekephee]

I always sort of feel guilt-struck by these posts, as if I'm somehow responsible for my class on the server. I think there is a way to play bards in a non-disruptive way and still do the things that only bards can do like pull a fair amount of mobs.

However, I never feel like there is full context in these type of posts. Did the original poster talk to the bard and see if they could work out something so the bard was not taking every last mob available in the zone or in areas where the disgruntled player was leveling?

What is the dividing or blurred line between a bard being disruptive and not respecting other players, and other players just whining out of jealousy and not really trying to work out something with the bard on an individual level? In some zones like Overthere, it's a common joke/mockery for people to come out swinging at bards in OOC; perhaps this is sometimes deserved.

On the opposing side, I'm not really a big fan of the whole argument, "Go level somewhere else where bards aren't leveling." People should play the game where they want to.

I guess my overall feeling is that the problem lies both with bards that don't really respect other players' leveling areas and those leveling in common bard kiting areas, that instead of trying talk to the bard through tells, jump to inflammatory comments in OOC or even to immediate petition, which then wastes GMs time over something that could be solved by simple communication.

Just play nice everyone and share the sandbox!


I would add that personally, whenever people send me tells asking if I PL for plat I tell them "sure, we can work that out, but keep in mind I'm not going to pull the entire zone for you because I don't want to screw other peoples' exp; I'll charge you significantly less because I also don't want to screw you, but it's going to be slower."

100% of the time until this week they always kind of stuttered and hesitated and then never got back to me. This week I finally found someone who'd take it.


So maybe some or most but demonstrably not all bards are part of the problem, but maybe part of the problem is also the pressure people are putting on bards. PULL MORE MOBS Y U ARE SO BAD PL etc. I'm fortunate enough not to give a shit about the plat I'll miss out on if I can't get PL customers, but I'm sure there are bards out there who think they really have to have to have to grab that platinum, as much as possible as fast as possible, and the only way to do that is to appease these voracious exp vacuums who are paying them.

[Tuffpuppy]

No matter where you are that a bard is kiting, there is another place that you or your group can go where you won't be disrupted. Don't be afraid to explore and try new places.

[iruinedyourday]

Where does this happen? Like can we get a list of confirmed areas where people are disrupted by bard kite? Preferably with a story.

Id like to put a list together, i have a feeling it looks like this

Overthere x 100
Lake of ill omen x 1
/end

I'm not saying disruption is ok, I just want to get a better idea globally of how its affecting the server.

I would like to know, What zone, How long it was happening (1 pull? 2? seemed like 15 mins of no mobs to pull? 45?) And did you talk to bard?/what did they say?

[Juryiel]

I think a lot of the problem is that people don't try to work things out with bards. Obviously we are not going to stop swarm kiting, the exp is too good, and if you were a bard you would also be doing it. However, most of the time we will adjust to mostly stay out of people's way if people just ask without sending angry hate tells making demands or throwing insults. I've been in OT for a bit, I pull a maximum of 13-15 things to leave stuff up for people, and pull those 13-15 things from all across the zone so no one area is left empty, making things considerably slower on myself, and yet it never fails, whenever General V'Deers is nearby killing mobs and mobs disappear for like the 7 minutes, I immediately get hate tells about taking all the mobs and what a dick I am.

[Beldon]

I tend to feel a zone out and usually pull about 10 things or so. I would love to do a whole zone pull, but like most considerate bards, I want to avoid messing with other people's camps.
If there are a lot of camps in a zone, I just go LFG since the point of an MMO is multiplayer. This gives me a chance to group with a twinked melee and realize that my damage output is pathetic and then I run away and swarm kite elsewhere.

[Messianic]

I think a lot of the problem is that people don't try to work things out with bards.

This. 90% of disputes i've seen involve a person simply wanting to moralize or be self righteous about someone else using their class abilities to the greatest advantage possible - so they don't ask in ooc who's doing the swarming and asking if they can avoid pulling from a particular area. I haven't encountered a bard yet who wasn't reasonable when I respected their desire to pull like a true badass bard, but wanted a fair amount of spawns as well. I'm sure those bards are out there, but they're definitely not the majority.

Also, people need to be more knowledgeable about where you can hunt at your level. Bards are only doing this in particular zones. They can't do it in most leveling areas nearly as effectively as in that small range of zones (FOB-OT-DL-NK-EK-Burning Woods). There are probably others i'm forgetting - but there are tons of places to level that aren't swarmable.

[Xer0]

. Bards are people too!!! !

No they aren't.

[Loke]

Stop being a cry baby. I've played here since early 2010, leveled multiple characters, and have never run into a situation where I felt a bard was ruining my play experience by taking too many mobs. I'm starting to think there are just people on this server who want to be mad about stuff, so they sit in OT and bitch about bards, despite the fact there are literally dozens of other places they could be leveling in (where as there are a very limited number of places a bard can AE kite).

[indiscriminate_hater]

No they aren't.

they're gods

[Xer0]

Stop being a cry baby. I've played here since early 2010, leveled multiple characters, and have never run into a situation where I felt a bard was ruining my play experience by taking too many mobs. I'm starting to think there are just people on this server who want to be mad about stuff, so they sit in OT and bitch about bards, despite the fact there are literally dozens of other places they could be leveling in (where as there are a very limited number of places a bard can AE kite).

Just because you've never encountered it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. By that logic AIDs must not exist cause guess what-- i've n ot come in contact with it.

I've seen it happen plenty of times in zones like NRO and oasis, sometimes bards are legit and will be fair about splitting the pulls, the other time they are entitled little bitches who tell you to go somewhere else, which really doesn't sit well with me. Especially if I was at a camp first, but even if not I feel it's only right the person zooming around powerlevelling be the one to move.

Your hostility is not necessary and makes you look like a hot tempered fool. I'm sure you'll have a wonderful day what with ignorance being bliss.

they're gods

I was going to say mostly half-breeds that aren't welcome here nor there.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Your hostility is not necessary and makes you look like a hot tempered fool.


I was going to say mostly half-breeds that aren't welcome here nor there.

classic hypocritical crybaby

[Daldaen]

As a bard, I pull everything in sight except the mobs that screw up kites. Sarnak casters, Rhinos, and I'm hearing cats now too.

There's plenty of those going around and mobs I missed for other people to grab. If not... There are plenty of other zones for people to kill in that bards cannot.

It's really like 2-3 zones that bards occupy, atleast ones leveling - not PLers. PLing bards are a whole other matter.

[Glenzig]

Just because you've never encountered it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. By that logic AIDs must not exist cause guess what-- i've n ot come in contact with it.

I've seen it happen plenty of times in zones like NRO and oasis, sometimes bards are legit and will be fair about splitting the pulls, the other time they are entitled little bitches who tell you to go somewhere else, which really doesn't sit well with me. Especially if I was at a camp first, but even if not I feel it's only right the person zooming around powerlevelling be the one to move.

Your hostility is not necessary and makes you look like a hot tempered fool. I'm sure you'll have a wonderful day what with ignorance being bliss.



I was going to say mostly half-breeds that aren't welcome here nor there.

Can you tell me what zone you'll be in next so I can take all your merbs.

[iruinedyourday]

The truth is some bards out there, or any class for that matter are jerks. You should message them nicely (because we are going to assume the people who are feeling disrupted are aromatically not jerks) and ask them to share the space and if they are a jerk to you /report them.

Also, every night (you should just give it a try if you dont cus its fun!) try leveling in a totally new zone! or at least a different one than you did last night. Therea re lots!

Also, also... one day if you play hard enough, you might make a bard and then be like ;/ now I'm doing it, whops.

Zander said to me once, "A good bard gets his kite started in the back of the zone, they only go to the populated area at the end to grab the last few mobs and run back out of sight to kill it and repopulate the crowded area asap" Ok he didnt say that exactly, but he said something along those lines and I respected it.

If you see a bard doing bard kiting and its really disruptive at least you can have the satisfaction of knowing they are a sucky bard. Also they suck at life. So you're totally winning (especially if you can figure out how to let it not be a problem for you!)

Also, also, also... click the link in my sig while you post in this thread.

[zanderklocke]

Linking this thread because it's awesome. I PLed this guy, then a cleric named Permuh, to high 40s, and then he traded his cleric for the bard Rojas. Never forget Rojas 2013.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113785

Skip to Edame's post on page 6 for the good part ^

[Jauna]

Anyone remember when in the timeline Bard dot songs were nerfed to where it does no damage if the target is moving? This whole bard taking up entire zones was a big thing for a bit back on live as well.. and if I remember right the no damage when target is moving still stands today on Live

[iruinedyourday]

Linking this thread because it's awesome. I PLed this guy, then a cleric named Permuh, to high 40s, and then he traded his cleric for the bard Rojas. Never forget Rojas 2013.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113785

Skip to Edame's post on page 6 for the good part ^

My favorite thing about forums is after that long and pleading post to play nice together the first response is, 'this is nice and all but nope'

lol

[Teako]

The common misconception is that bards are deliberately trying to ruin your, or anyone elses fun.. They're probably just playing the game like you are.

Instead of freaking out on them (almost always the go-to response) ask if they can leave a certain section (i.e. aviaks, or sarnak fort), or a certain type of monster available to you.. (No bard pulls rhinos!)

Come to a compromise. There's no reason why your playing the game the way you want to is any less important than the two other people trying to play the game the way they want to.

If you get smashed by a bard train.. There's a 99% chance someone is going to come rez that bard, and his target.. Ask if you can get a rez, and an apology.. Some bards (Me when I'm on mine) if my train goes awry and I know for a fact I specifically got you killed.. I'll include you for my next pull, so you get more than compensated.

again.. Compromise.

[Troxx]

Bard here, and new to the server.

It all boils down to respect. It's pretty pathetic for bards to operate their business in area of high traffic where others are playing. It's even worse when it's a high level bard PLing under these circumstances. I've seen it, an it ticks me off.

On the flip side, it's pretty disrespectful to moan dramatically in ooc as if you, I, or anyone owned roaming mobs. I've had a few times in OT where there are 5-7 people in the zone ... I've scouted out where others are hunting and avoided pulling those areas ... I'm mid kite, and some new guy zones in and proceeds to rant about me kiting and minding my own business. I do my best to avoid others. If it's crowded - I move on. If people ask to join and leech I generally oblige. Thankfully I play in the Australian time zone (ish) so prime time for me is that early am lull for the US where there are 200-400 people on the server.

I understand the gripe though. I've been in the other side as both a bard and my druid and had huge swaths of my lowbie zone monopolized my a single bard PLing. I've got no beef with PLing ... But it ideally should be done in a courteous way that doesn't impact others. I've taken donations to allow people roughly my level to leech xp, but if there are others hunting in the area, the person donating for xp leeching has to deal with smaller pulls from time to time so as not to impact others.

Troxx Tomte - 43 Bard
Ronadrum - 20 Druid

[Loke]

Just because you've never encountered it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. By that logic AIDs must not exist cause guess what-- i've n ot come in contact with it.

You don't have a firm grasp on probability do you? Are you really equating the probability of me not experiencing bards kiting to an extent that it ruins game play with the probability of you getting AIDS? The amount of holes in that analogy is ridiculous - just a few are: population size (billions vs thousands), risk factors (you actively avoid AIDS, where as people here actively seek out zones affected by bard kiting), duration... the list really goes on and on. Basically equating you getting AIDS with this issue simply doesn't apply in any regard, at least within the context of the point I was trying to make with my post...

Also, I wasn't saying that it doesn't happen. The whole premise of this post is that we need another server because the bard kiting issue is such a huge problem on the current server and I was simply offering anecdotal evidence that as someone who has probably spent more time playing here than 95% of the people on these forums, I don't see it as such since I've personally never encountered the problem. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen, but the amount of bitching about bards versus the amount of trouble they actually cause is ridiculous. People who sit in OT and complain about bards are whiny, entitled cry babies who would rather complain about their situation than find a solution. I've leveled 4 characters to 60, as well as a handful of others into the 50s, and none of them spent significant time in OT. To use your AIDS comparison, going to OT being surprised by bards kiting is like going to a gay orgy*, not wearing a condom and then being surprised when you catch something - wrap your shit up, or don't go to OT and you probably won't have a problem.

*gay orgy specifically used since the risk factors for transmitted diseases are much higher via unprotected anal sex.

Your hostility is not necessary and makes you look like a hot tempered fool. I'm sure you'll have a wonderful day what with ignorance being bliss.

This is the internet, my hostility is absolutely necessary. Fuck off.

[iruinedyourday]

bard taking mobs in OT is tantamount to catching AIDs.

it's science.

[Bboboo]

No matter where you are that a bard is kiting, there is another place that you or your group can go where you won't be disrupted. Don't be afraid to explore and try new places.

Seriously though, you can piss and moan in OverThere all day or you can /who all dial and move your group to a zone with a higher ZEM!

[iruinedyourday]

DIAL A PORT SAVES THE DAY AGAIN!

http://i.imgur.com/w7dmvBw.jpg

[Champion_Standing]

Seriously though, you can piss and moan in OverThere all day or you can /who all dial and move your group to a zone with a higher ZEM!

Higher ZEM doesn't always mean a better place to level. Places like OT or loio are good zones for people that are leveling at a more casual pace afking often etc, and people that don't have a lot of time on their hands and want to group. It's one thing to join an OT group and get some exp for an hour, and another to head into a dungeon camp and back out an hour later.

Either way, just because there are "better" places to go doesn't mean it's ok to be a dick.

[Orruar]

Whining is so much easier than having a reasonable conversation and negotiating an amicable solution. In case you guys haven't noticed, human beings really want to feel self righteous and kiting bards are an easy means to achieve that feeling.

[Getsmurfed]

Show us on the doll where the bard touched you.

[Orruar]

Either way, just because there are "better" places to go doesn't mean it's ok to be a dick.

My self righteous detector is flashing. Of these dickish bards, how many of them did you try to talk to and come to an agreement so that you each were happy?

[iruinedyourday]

I think the worst case scenario is not when one bard is in the OT pulling the whole zone. But when like 8 bards are fighting each other for the whole zone.. thats where it starts getting harry for everyone.

When that happens and i see

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/DeadBard.jpg

I go

http://media.lyonopenlab.org/mgoblin_media/media_entries/19/014-trollface.png

[indiscriminate_hater]

Firiona vie and emerald jungle most underutilized zones for bard pulls

[iruinedyourday]

Dont forget, when that bard gets 50+ and starts wandering around and finally checking out some of the indoor zones they missed out on, they tend to pay it forward.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154923

The guilt weighs heavily on a bards shoulders.

Shameless plug of my own SS thread XD

[Glenzig]

I think the worst case scenario is not when one bard is in the OT pulling the whole zone. But when like 8 bards are fighting each other for the whole zone.. thats where it starts getting harry for everyone.

When that happens and i see

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/DeadBard.jpg

I go

http://media.lyonopenlab.org/mgoblin_media/media_entries/19/014-trollface.png

To be completely honest, as bad as most other classes have been to me as a bard so far, the worst I've ever been treated was by another bard.

[Bboboo]

I've never had a problem finding mobs in OT when soloing, especially semi afking. Bards don't pull rhinos and usually not Sarnaks (at least the leveling ones). Other times I just had to venture out 20 seconds farther than I usually had to to get a mob.

I mean Bards usually don't kite that long if they are leveling, it gets tiresome on the fingers. I always see it as a minor inconvenience at worst.

[Daldaen]

Only time a bard screws me over is when:

1. I'm on a bard trying to AE kite
2. I'm trying to quad just sarnak berzerkers for faction from braids

[Champion_Standing]

My self righteous detector is flashing. Of these dickish bards, how many of them did you try to talk to and come to an agreement so that you each were happy?

You have invented a scenario in your mind in which I became self righteous and are attempting to scold me for it, amusing. I'm not talking about any situation that occurred, I'm simply stating that you can't use the argument that there are better places to level to excuse poor behavior.

[Kekephee]

To be completely honest, as bad as most other classes have been to me as a bard so far, the worst I've ever been treated was by another bard.

times infinity


Kekephee tells you, "Please watch where you're going, you just intersected my train and killed me"
You tell Kekephee, "get bent faggot ur in my zone all these mobs are mine u have no business pulling"


I was at the tail-end of my AE kiting at the server peak of bards causing problems, when every day in OT and DL was a giant OOC war for hours and hours and everyone was petitioning and making dozens of anti-bard threads all over the boards, and I tell you what. the world was FULL of absolutely worthless bards being chased by a hundred mobs at a time for 45 minutes all day every day and not one of them was capable of having a conversation. If you guys think bards are bad, thank your lucky stars you weren't there for that.

[iruinedyourday]

Seems like they uped the speed of cats in OT to be somewhere between rhinos and birds/cacti... so that might detur some people from kiting in OT so hey!

Wont stop PL'ers but there are much fewer of them.

[jcr4990]

Bards kiting entire zones isn't classic. Can we break it in next patch pls?

[Bboboo]

Bards kiting entire zones isn't classic. Can we break it in next patch pls?

Neither is high speed internet.

[Dillian]

its classic

[jcr4990]

Neither is high speed internet.I agree. I already suggested in another thread that P99 devs automatically ban anyone using higher than 56k internet connection. Shit isn't classic man. While we're at it should probably restrict everyone to 800x600 resolution and make everyone use CRT monitors.

[Dillian]

Neither is high speed internet.
http://www.connectmycable.com/resources/dsl-vs-cable.html

i had high speed internet back then.

[jcr4990]

http://www.connectmycable.com/resources/dsl-vs-cable.html

i had high speed internet back then.You were the 1%

[Dillian]

lol no not at all, but it was offered at Camp Lejeune NC and i had to have basic cable to get it. shit cost me 70 bucks a month. But i didn't have to pay for anything else at the time.

[Dillian]

yes i had a 17 inch crt monitor. thing was monstrous.

[Bboboo]

Why does 70 a month sound better than anything Comcast has to offer?

We've come along way.

[Dillian]

i no what you mean and that is who i currently have as my provider, cept now my internet is like 45ish a month and i didnt get cable tv because i just watch whatever through the internet anyway. Chromecast baby!

[Ikonoclastia]

I always sort of feel guilt-struck by these posts, as if I'm somehow responsible for my class on the server. I think there is a way to play bards in a non-disruptive way and still do the things that only bards can do like pull a fair amount of mobs.

However, I never feel like there is full context in these type of posts. Did the original poster talk to the bard and see if they could work out something so the bard was not taking every last mob available in the zone or in areas where the disgruntled player was leveling?

What is the dividing or blurred line between a bard being disruptive and not respecting other players, and other players just whining out of jealousy and not really trying to work out something with the bard on an individual level? In some zones like Overthere, it's a common joke/mockery for people to come out swinging at bards in OOC; perhaps this is sometimes deserved.

On the opposing side, I'm not really a big fan of the whole argument, "Go level somewhere else where bards aren't leveling." People should play the game where they want to.

I guess my overall feeling is that the problem lies both with bards that don't really respect other players' leveling areas and those leveling in common bard kiting areas, that instead of trying talk to the bard through tells, jump to inflammatory comments in OOC or even to immediate petition, which then wastes GMs time over something that could be solved by simple communication.

Just play nice everyone and share the sandbox!
Some bards are alright. Some are just fugging idiots. IMO if you want to swarm kite you do it somewhere unpopulated.

I ran to LOIO the other day, zoned in and within 5 seconds before I could bind I had been killed by a bard zoning into Fir Vie after failing a kite. So got back on boat, ran back to LOIO, killed two mobs and was regenning at safespot and got trained again by the same bard.

Moral of the story, if theres a bunch of other players in a place like the windmill in LOIO, firstly don't kite there and secondly if you do and you fail then fuggin die instead killing everyone else on the way out :)

[Valdarious]

Show us on the doll where the bard touched you.

ROFLOL
I might need to put this in my sig at some point.

[Glenzig]

Bards kiting entire zones isn't classic. Can we break it in next patch pls?

What server did you play on? Yeah its classic.

[Glenzig]

Some bards are alright. Some are just fugging idiots. IMO if you want to swarm kite you do it somewhere unpopulated.

I ran to LOIO the other day, zoned in and within 5 seconds before I could bind I had been killed by a bard zoning into Fir Vie after failing a kite. So got back on boat, ran back to LOIO, killed two mobs and was regenning at safespot and got trained again by the same bard.

Moral of the story, if theres a bunch of other players in a place like the windmill in LOIO, firstly don't kite there and secondly if you do and you fail then fuggin die instead killing everyone else on the way out :)

So bards are the only class that shouldn't accidently kill people with trains? And why did you go all the way to LoIo and not get bound in either FV or OT?

[Ikonoclastia]

So bards are the only class that shouldn't accidently kill people with trains? And why did you go all the way to LoIo and not get bound in either FV or OT?
Bards are the only class that swarm. If you're deliberately kiting 10+ mobs (a train) around you should do it somewhere away from people you might kill.

If you're doing it in LOIO around the windmill you're stupid because its full of caster gobs anyway. The bard in question had mobs running at low health because they'd stop to cast, get away from their friends, deaggro and then run into the zone low health aggroing other mobs and creating massive trains.

If one of them runs past you, you get on their aggro list and then any mobs they pass get you on their hate list.

As for why I didn't bind straight away its irrelevant.

[Glenzig]

Well it sounds like the first time you got killed it was a zone in train death if I'm understanding you correctly. That can happen in pretty much any zone and can be done by any class. And yes even warriors can have 10+ mobs running behind them at the zone line. To chalk that up to being a bard only issue is a pretty big stretch.

The second part where you were regenning does suck a lot more. Especially if its a spot that you know was safe from previous use. That's not to say that I haven't been killed in the exact same manner by plenty of other classes besides bards. But yeah that part was a lot harder to swallow I'm sure.

I'm not sure if your point about the windmill even makes any sense because there are always kos mobs around the windmill anyway. There's always a skeleton or a sarnak or a cat pathing close enough to get you in trouble if you aren't paying attention.

And if your part about not being bound before you got to LoIo isn't relevant, then why include it in your story?

[myriverse]

I'm not sure if your point about the windmill even makes any sense because there are always kos mobs around the windmill anyway. There's always a skeleton or a sarnak or a cat pathing close enough to get you in trouble if you aren't paying attention.
Well, cats aren't kos.

[Glenzig]

Well, cats aren't kos.

They are to me.

[Alukit Vassago]

@glenzig honest question's do you ever play or just quest hunt to add such negative feedback in any/all posts you find? dude, at least try to add something to the community then just being a troll

[Glenzig]

@glenzig honest question's do you ever play or just quest hunt to add such negative feedback in any/all posts you find? dude, at least try to add something to the community then just being a troll

Honest answer. Yeah I play about 5-6 hours per week on average and I have made quite a number of helpful posts in the newbie section and the class sections of the forums. I wasn't aware that this was a thread that was in need of thoughtful and helpful discussion though. I mean its a thread about starting a server minus an entire class. How much can actually be contributed in a positive manner in a thread like this?

[Alukit Vassago]

Honest answer. Yeah I play about 5-6 hours per week on average and I have made quite a number of helpful posts in the newbie section and the class sections of the forums. I wasn't aware that this was a thread that was in need of thoughtful and helpful discussion though. I mean its a thread about starting a server minus an entire class. How much can actually be contributed in a positive manner in a thread like this?

yea this isn't a thread for that but does it need that many reply's with personal input? i mean if this was reddit or so i think you were krama / adding post counts by this many posts

[Ikonoclastia]

Well it sounds like the first time you got killed it was a zone in train death if I'm understanding you correctly. That can happen in pretty much any zone and can be done by any class. And yes even warriors can have 10+ mobs running behind them at the zone line. To chalk that up to being a bard only issue is a pretty big stretch.

The second part where you were regenning does suck a lot more. Especially if its a spot that you know was safe from previous use. That's not to say that I haven't been killed in the exact same manner by plenty of other classes besides bards. But yeah that part was a lot harder to swallow I'm sure.

I'm not sure if your point about the windmill even makes any sense because there are always kos mobs around the windmill anyway. There's always a skeleton or a sarnak or a cat pathing close enough to get you in trouble if you aren't paying attention.

And if your part about not being bound before you got to LoIo isn't relevant, then why include it in your story?
While warriors can and sometimes do get big trains they don't do so deliberately. Accidents happen.

Bards on the other hand deliberately pickup a train.

Warriors usually can't run from the Windmill to FV zone before dying. Bards can.

Basically that means that bard deliberately picks up 10+ mobs, gets in trouble, runs to zone, anybody in his way is going to die.

As for the Windmill yeah, there are KOS mobs everywhere. That's why you don't want swarm kited mobs peeling off and running from the swarm after they've been kited past you because every KOS mob that is social they go past aggros on you, if the bard zones, his aggro is cleared and now everything is beelining for you.

[Glenzig]

yea this isn't a thread for that but does it need that many reply's with personal input? i mean if this was reddit or so i think you were krama / adding post counts by this many posts

Ah. So why are you here?

[iruinedyourday]

@Alukit Vassago, Glenzig is definitely not being a troll. You are however.

[iruinedyourday]

Also Ikon sometimes I agree w/u sometimes I disagree w/ u heh. I bard pretty hard and never have trained someone.

People that train other people, generally don't do it on purpose on p99 and nobody is perfect, so expect that you will be the cause of someone's untimely demise at some point in the near future.

Time and time again the response from nearly every bard is, hey send some nice tells and Im sure the problems will all fade away.

Keep in mind if someone died from a train while training you, they are just as mad as you are IRL.

[Messianic]

I miss the classic "reverse trains" in Sol B where an afk fatty would block the exit and get a bunch of people killed.

[Visual]

there is a place without bards its called heaven

[Glenzig]

there is a place without bards its called heaven

You have to die to get there. Bards can help you with that. ;)

[iruinedyourday]

You have to die to get there. Bards can help you with that. ;)

lol

[Ikonoclastia]

Also Ikon sometimes I agree w/u sometimes I disagree w/ u heh. I bard pretty hard and never have trained someone.

People that train other people, generally don't do it on purpose on p99 and nobody is perfect, so expect that you will be the cause of someone's untimely demise at some point in the near future.

Time and time again the response from nearly every bard is, hey send some nice tells and Im sure the problems will all fade away.

Keep in mind if someone died from a train while training you, they are just as mad as you are IRL.
I'm not bard hating lol. Most bards are cool. Most often if ones coming towards me with a swarm they'll turn around and run the other way or kite around me. All I was saying is you should try to swarm kite away from popular exp spots.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm not bard hating lol. Most bards are cool. Most often if ones coming towards me with a swarm they'll turn around and run the other way or kite around me. All I was saying is you should try to swarm kite away from popular exp spots.

Yea for sure. Then in this instance we're high fiven'

http://epicfail.xepher.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Gamers-2-High-Five.png

[iruinedyourday]

and for more barding needs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ohk5Swy-04

[Ikonoclastia]

Yea for sure. Then in this instance we're high fiven'

http://epicfail.xepher.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Gamers-2-High-Five.png
I never thought I'd say this but I'm the guy in the tights yeah? :)

[Clark]

Any chance on having a bard free server?

lol

[Nekkojakk]

Find a nice enchanter and shaman/druid to charm, SoW and memblur/break a handful of mobs in the area.

[Juryiel]

Find a nice enchanter and shaman/druid to charm, SoW and memblur/break a handful of mobs in the area.

Obviously this won't do anything. I pull sowed mobs all the time, just snare them and it overwrites. You gotta be more crafty than that.

[applesauce25r624]

if this wasn't my daughter's wedding I'd punch your teeth out, you anti-bardite bastard

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Obviously this won't do anything. I pull sowed mobs all the time, just snare them and it overwrites. You gotta be more crafty than that.

Just bring the dragoons into their train. Pretend you got lost on your way to skyfire ramp :3

[Troxx]

First thing I ever did after zoning into OT was sing faction song at outpost to get myself non kos until death or zoning. Any bard worth their salt furthermore has enough situational awareness to see it coming. Even mid kite, nothing gets within 200-300 yards of me without me seeing it first.

Be polite and play nice with each other. Respect others camping the zone and people will be happy(ish).

[HeallunRumblebelly]

First thing I ever did after zoning into OT was sing faction song at outpost to get myself non kos until death or zoning. Any bard worth their salt furthermore has enough situational awareness to see it coming. Even mid kite, nothing gets within 200-300 yards of me without me seeing it first.

Be polite and play nice with each other. Respect others camping the zone and people will be happy(ish).

It's not about you aggroing the dragoon by proxy, it's about running it into your train and you dotting the bastard with aoes :P

[Clark]

Bump for no more bards.

[indiscriminate_hater]

People being better than you is classic. So is being jelly