How to kill a Bard 1v1 Possible? PvP

[Onslaughtz]

How to kill a Bard 1v1 Possible? PvP in outside and inside both solo

and in Velious also?

[Gaffin 7.0]

naw, shits classic

[Kergan]

Manaburn works.

[hivemind]

Just /petition them and accuse them of training and/or harassing you. They will get banned, which is far better than any sort of yellow text you might've been able to score on them. I mean, no--you will not kill a good bard. But you can definitely get them banned ;)

[Kergan]

Manaburn is Luclin you'd know that if you ever pvp'd

Holy shit no way

[Onslaughtz]

does mana drain from enchanter work?

[rivalxl]

Bard's only use mana for like 2 songs, mana drain would be damn near useless.

[Kergan]

Mana drain Tune he'll hunt you to the end of the earth. Dude likes his triple dirge attack mode.

[Onslaughtz]

what about windstriker rangers is there a way bard can counter them?

[Coan]

Just /petition them and accuse them of training and/or harassing you. They will get banned, which is far better than any sort of yellow text you might've been able to score on them. I mean, no--you will not kill a good bard. But you can definitely get them banned ;)

Perma death is the best way...all that gear lmao

[Super Hater]

Holy shit no way

If you knew that, that prob wouldn't have been your answer. Just sayin...

[iiNGloriouS]

Mana drain Tune he'll hunt you to the end of the earth. Dude likes his triple dirge attack mode.

Double*

[Gaffin 7.0]

First off Bard's were shit in this era on live.

Highsun=Never landed

Brusco's=Never landed

Fire and Cold Chant=Never landed

Denon's sometimes landed if someone had a poison under 80, but that only worked on caster's as that requires them to get close.

Bard's weren't good at PvP till pop when they got Disease and Poison chant. They were actually harder to kill tho because Selo's broke root and snares.

This is true, my post was sarcasm, shit is far from classic, bards were pretty awful and only used in vel for tov.

[Kergan]

Bards way op'd here due to resists.

[Gaffin 7.0]

We need Dr. Nirgon to confirm this

[hivemind]

First off Bard's were shit in this era on live.

Highsun=Never landed

Brusco's=Never landed

Fire and Cold Chant=Never landed

Denon's sometimes landed if someone had a poison under 80, but that only worked on caster's as that requires them to get close.

Bard's weren't good at PvP till pop when they got Disease and Poison chant. They were actually harder to kill tho because Selo's broke root and snares.

Annnnnnnnnd, you were clearly never a good bard. Don't think that has anything to do with era, though. Never played after Luclin (during PoP) and I assure you my bard raped. And Hivemind as well, up until he was banned :D

[Gaffin 7.0]

Bards never raped on Rallos, you are a idiot, they were selo's bitches boxed.

[heartbrand]

Annnnnnnnnd, you were clearly never a good bard. Don't think that has anything to do with era, though. Never played after Luclin (during PoP) and I assure you my bard raped. And Hivemind as well, up until he was banned :D

What about Heavens Myst tho?

[hivemind]

First off Bard's were shit in this era on live.

Highsun=Never landed

Brusco's=Never landed

Fire and Cold Chant=Never landed

Denon's sometimes landed if someone had a poison under 80, but that only worked on caster's as that requires them to get close.


This was for the most part true (to the best of my memory). But this was what I was disagreeing with:

Bard's weren't good at PvP till pop when they got Disease and Poison chant. They were actually harder to kill tho because Selo's broke root and snares.

Never played during PoP, but I never really bothered trying to DoT kite people in PVP. Shit never landed, and standing on top of someone with SBoZ/SoED while hasted out the azzz was a pretty effective strategy at destroying anything wearing cloth. Anything else would be kited/mobs charmed at them/jousted until they died. Didn't you post in some other thread saying that Swyft (or whoever your bard is/was) is/was one of your worst characters you ever played? Don't think it was the era, no disrespect intended.


Bards never raped on Rallos, you are a idiot, they were selo's bitches boxed.

I never played on Rallos.



What about Heavens Myst tho?

I do not know what Heavens Myst is, tbh.

[Onslaughtz]

what about windstriker rangers dont they kill bards 1v1?

[Miller]

I do not know what Heavens Myst is, tbh.

Heavens Myst is a fucking legend, fuck off if you don't know what that is. VZTZ rep +++

But yeah, you won't kill a good bard. Only way you can counter a windstriker ranger though is to get right inside their ranged attack and if you can stay there you're golden but pretty impossible. Just run *****

[Nirgon]

First off Bard's were shit in this era on live.

Highsun=Never landed

Brusco's=Never landed

Fire and Cold Chant=Never landed

Denon's sometimes landed if someone had a poison under 80, but that only worked on caster's as that requires them to get close.

Bard's weren't good at PvP till pop when they got Disease and Poison chant. They were actually harder to kill tho because Selo's broke root and snares.

This is actually true

[Onslaughtz]

Heavens Myst is a fucking legend, fuck off if you don't know what that is. VZTZ rep +++

But yeah, you won't kill a good bard. Only way you can counter a windstriker ranger though is to get right inside their ranged attack and if you can stay there you're golden but pretty impossible. Just run *****

why wouid it be impossible aret bards the fastest?

[Potus]

Bards were really good in pvp in every EQ era I played.

I don't know where people are getting the "they sucked" crap from, it's probably the same flawed memory that claims Necros destroyed everyone.

[Miller]

why wouid it be impossible aret bards the fastest?

Because you have to hit a sweet spot in between melee range and ranged attack range because they would own you with either... That means
1) you have to be faster than them to correct for their movements (easy for a bard, as per your point)
2) you have to predict their movements because the range where they can't melee and also can't bow you isn't large at all so there is little room for error if you can pell them down and chant/bruscos them down you're good but highly unlikely and I doubt even the most skilled bard could pull it off except for a very rare exception

[Kergan]

Bards were required in luclin and beyond, but not cause they killed people...just needed speed and shit.

[Gaffin 7.0]

This is actually true

CONFIRMED BY THE DR /THREAD

[Colgate]

lot of classes here can beat a bard 1v1

[Onslaughtz]

lot of classes here can beat a bard 1v1

like what?

[Colgate]

well bard melee gets absolutely raped by any damage shield, anyone with a regen buff or a troll/iksar with fungi out regens bard DoTs

bard will likely have to just run around and be obnoxious

manage to get a warrior sub-40% and he'll mightystrike and kill you with boulders in 5 seconds

good shadowknight will rape a bard

good paladin will never die

etc.

[hivemind]

well bard melee gets absolutely raped by any damage shield, anyone with a regen buff or a troll/iksar with fungi out regens bard DoTs

bard will likely have to just run around and be obnoxious

manage to get a warrior sub-40% and he'll mightystrike and kill you with boulders in 5 seconds

good shadowknight will rape a bard

good paladin will never die

etc.

It is not possible to kill a bard that knows what he is doing. The single strongest component of a bard is that a good bard will always be in control of the fight and in that way, dictate the pace and location of the fight. Bards are "annoying" because they are unbeatable unless you outplay them, which is particularly difficult if you limit yourself to in-game mechanics and refuse to resort to /petition.

[Onslaughtz]

well bard melee gets absolutely raped by any damage shield, anyone with a regen buff or a troll/iksar with fungi out regens bard DoTs

bard will likely have to just run around and be obnoxious

manage to get a warrior sub-40% and he'll mightystrike and kill you with boulders in 5 seconds

good shadowknight will rape a bard

good paladin will never die

etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BduXioFL-yE

hmm how come at 25:46 this bard gets this warrior to 10% after quiting and bard wins the tourment? how come warrior didnt mightystrike and kill him with boulders in 5 seconds?

[Colgate]

because heartbrand is not good at everquest and should never be used as a point of reference for how to play the game

[hivemind]

because heartbrand is not good at everquest and should never be used as a point of reference for how to play the game

Some truths are more unfortunate than others.

[Colgate]

don't get me wrong, bard is one of the strongest pvp classes

but a bard probably won't kill any of the classes/scenarios that i mentioned at max level unless the player is bad or caught in an atypical situation that would get them killed against pretty much every other class

[Onslaughtz]

because heartbrand is not good at everquest and should never be used as a point of reference for how to play the game

i mean like what was he doing wrong in the video vs that bard? seems like he was doing it right idk

[Colgate]

i mean like what was he doing wrong in the video vs that bard? seems like he was doing it right idk

didn't see a single throwing boulder

[Clark]

Get low and finish with mass root net.

[hivemind]

don't get me wrong, bard is one of the strongest pvp classes

but a bard probably won't kill any of the classes/scenarios that i mentioned at max level unless the player is bad or caught in an atypical situation that would get them killed against pretty much every other class

Yeah, this is 100% true as far as my opinions are concerned. Bard is not a burst damage class, that is not where its strengths are derived from. The core strength of a bard is the ability to control any fight. If the bard is controlling the fight, then it is only a matter of time until the opponent leaves or dies. You can wear your opponents down both mentally and physically, until they start making mistakes and die. Or they get so worn down that they /petition until you get banned. Also a viable player vs player strategy.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Get low and finish with mass root net.

aw yiss

[Bardalicious]

Funny that Syft is posting in this thread making the statement that bards were shit this era on live. Why'd you make one on Red99? To EZ mode with highsun?

Then you quit and rerolled something even easier to gank with.

[Kraz]

I have killed a few bards when rogue snare and disc... died in a few seconds.

[hivemind]

I have killed a few bards when rogue snare and disc... died in a few seconds.

Needs more DA and/or shadowstep.

[Ezpk]

Well timed mighty strike or tstaff proc.

War/Monk tactics, gotta have timing + little luck

[Clark]

I have killed a few bards when rogue snare and disc... died in a few seconds.

Hell ya snare poison was my go to on rogue rallos zek.

[Beastro]

From what I've over the years the only viable way to PvP as a Bard was when the Charmburn emerged in Luclin.

[Gaffin 7.0]

bards were shit your memory is vague and cloudy, they were not even in the top 3 in velious PvP but great utility for groups/raids

[Zihm]

The later disciplines were pretty bomb as well...

"pretty bomb?" you really went back to 1999 for that one.

[Absynthe2k5]

Bards never raped on Rallos, you are a idiot, they were selo's bitches boxed.

No one from Rallos raped anything but the inside of a wet paper bag...

[Beethoven]

No one from Rallos raped anything but the inside of a wet paper bag...

Except the Sleeper....twice..... But oh i guess that doesn't count does it?

/end_all_be_all

[Gaffin 7.0]

No one from Rallos raped anything but the inside of a wet paper bag...

U w0t m8? Dont fuckin talk about Rallos like dat you teams server scum. Best server ever created in EQ

[Twainz]

well bard melee gets absolutely raped by any damage shield, anyone with a regen buff or a troll/iksar with fungi out regens bard DoTs

bard will likely have to just run around and be obnoxious

manage to get a warrior sub-40% and he'll mightystrike and kill you with boulders in 5 seconds

good shadowknight will rape a bard

good paladin will never die

etc.

Does that mean Biggy is terrible at warrior? He popped defensive on me in WW and plugged at 15%.

[NotKringe]

You all are full of shit and have no idea of Pvp happened on Rallos Zek.

This is all..

[Blackbilly]

You all are full of shit and have no idea of Pvp happened on Rallos Zek.

This is all..

i have an idea of pvp on rallos...

everyone knows covenant of the wolf raped rallos

hammer of brell and knights errant vied for #2 spot

rodmantw undisputed champion of everquest

[Super Hater]

You all are full of shit and have no idea of Pvp happened on Rallos Zek.

This is all..