Re-rolled as a rogue. Any advice?

[xmattwrightx]

Just re rolled as a half elf rogue (named Tanathir). Anyone have any advice on playing a rogue? I've never played one extensively before. Thanks in advance.

[Cecily]

Make friends. Stay behind the mob. Don't get aggro. Try to not go AFK. In that order.

[Brynnag]

reroll dwarf, in my experience it will be more difficult finding a group, even at low-mid levels without an epic. I actually had a guy ask me if I had my epic at 29 and when I said no he told me I couldn't join the group.

[Gaffin 7.0]

play whatever race you want, leveled 2 to 60 myself and i think cecily has too, her tips were pretty spot on.

alot of rogue alt twinks tend to have their epic here so dont get mad if you dont get a group because of that, just how it is. xp should go pretty fast once you make a few pals to group with, rogues are pretty high wanted since they deal the most dps out of any class. use the wiki for best advice

goodluck

[xmattwrightx]

How the hell do you get an epic that early lol?

[Gaffin 7.0]

can purchase the multiquest for it at lvl 1 heh insane I know. my name is Motion if you need help may have a piercer laying around ill check.

[Valdarious]

As soon as you get backstab, do not start out with it in groups depending on how much damage you, unless you have an outstanding tank. If you have a good aggro tank, it shouldn't be to much of a problem. I am playing a barbarian and I was pulling aggro early on when evade wasn't high enough to work 100% to keep aggro away from a couple tanks.
I love wood elves(it is what i played in live) but to be honest, after playing a rogue to the 60's in live, I went barbarian due to STR and STA. It is very helpful in the early levels when you might be doing an occasional soloing. Much better damage.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Yeah thats a good point, let the tank get some aggro before backstabbing off the start of a fight, its not that bad later on because you can use evade.

If your not sure what evade is, basically you turn off attack hit hide during combat and you can drop your aggro if it lands successfully then attack back on.

[Ravager]

Play whatever race you want for a rogue. Barbarians if you want the best stats, but a Ragebringer levels the playing field pretty well.

Starting points in Sta. You might not want them now, but you will someday, STR is easy to find. It's an extra 75hp at 50, an extra 100hp at 60. Not game changing, but when a single str buff caps you out, you'd rather have those HP.

Skill up lock picking as you go. Put 11 points into it to get it started from a trainer and then get to work in Befallen. Picking locks will be a good source of income at higher levels.

Save as many training points as you can for Apply Poison. Poisons are expensive to make and you'll waste too many of them trying to skill up apply poison. Most folks would argue against poison making at all, but it's nice to play with at higher levels to add flavor to the class.

Learn to sneak pull, it will give you more utility.

For the love of Bristlebane, wait for assist.

[Koota]

Backstab stuff.

[Cecily]

Starting points in Sta. You might not want them now, but you will someday, STR is easy to find. It's an extra 75hp at 50, an extra 100hp at 60. Not game changing, but when a single str buff caps you out, you'd rather have those HP.

Yeah, try an extra 40 HP at 60. Really not that big a deal. You and I both went STR and both kinda regretted it, but +25 STA honestly makes no difference on whether you'll survive any given fight. Extra STR comes in handy when you swap STR gear out for resists, too.

[mgellan]

I looked up sneak pulling since Rav mentioned it (working on a baby Rogue myself) and thought I'd share:

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2869

Regards,
Mg

[Supaskillz]

I looked up sneak pulling since Rav mentioned it (working on a baby Rogue myself) and thought I'd share:

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2869

Regards,
Mg

That safe house post does not totally apply to this server. I am also not completely convinced the author understood exactly how it worked.
On this server you will get no social aggro from mobs who cannot currently see you. Note that sneak radius is greater than 180 degrees, I think about 200-220 degrees. Range attacks do not break sneak ( they do however break hide which will in turn break sneak so do not be hidden). Hide does not help with social aggro at all here. Also distance does not matter for social aggro if you are still in frontal vision of npc. Also keep in mind you can be sneaking so that initially only one aggros but if the mob you pull is still close enough to his friends and you move into their vision you will get social aggro. Being hit by melee or spell( even if resisted ) will break sneak and potentially give you social aggro if mob is still near his friends. Therefore if you want to pull casters this way use very long range or be next to a corner so you can very quickly block Los to prevent cast.

Until you learn an area well you should spend lots of time sneaking and coning mobs to get a feel for how far you can push the limits and still not be in mobs vision with sneak.

[SyanideGas]

That safe house post does not totally apply to this server. I am also not completely convinced the author understood exactly how it worked.
On this server you will get no social aggro from mobs who cannot currently see you. Note that sneak radius is greater than 180 degrees, I think about 200-220 degrees. Range attacks do not break sneak ( they do however break hide which will in turn break sneak so do not be hidden). Hide does not help with social aggro at all here. Also distance does not matter for social aggro if you are still in frontal vision of npc. Also keep in mind you can be sneaking so that initially only one aggros but if the mob you pull is still close enough to his friends and you move into their vision you will get social aggro. Being hit by melee or spell( even if resisted ) will break sneak and potentially give you social aggro if mob is still near his friends. Therefore if you want to pull casters this way use very long range or be next to a corner so you can very quickly block Los to prevent cast.

Until you learn an area well you should spend lots of time sneaking and coning mobs to get a feel for how far you can push the limits and still not be in mobs vision with sneak.

The truest words.

[SyanideGas]

Sneaking is fun as shit

[Ravager]

Yeah, try an extra 40 HP at 60. Really not that big a deal. You and I both went STR and both kinda regretted it, but +25 STA honestly makes no difference on whether you'll survive any given fight. Extra STR comes in handy when you swap STR gear out for resists, too.

Certain on the 40hp thing?

[Cecily]

Magelo hp numbers are accurate, change your starting stats. Sta gets tricky becauses there's diminishing returns. Sta up to 115 nets you the most hp. 115+ = ~2 hp per and I think there's yet another drop off point after that.

As a rogue who's over 115 sta, 20 extra points of sta give me 40 hp. Pretty Meh. I like my STR build still, and I'm not gearing for raw STR in Velious. So I probably won't cap it even then.

[Supaskillz]

Cecily is correct on return on STA on I believe. End of day starting stats dont matter that much.
However starting race matters so much. Barbarians are confirmed ugly and should not be allowed to be rogues due to their absurd size... how they hell do you hide when you are a friggin giant. Dorfs footsteps can be heard from miles away, how their so called sneak works on anyone is beyond me.

Amusing story of my starting stats: My friend told me about this server and I had not played EQ since 2001. Having forgot useful information about that game I just rolled the same toon I played back in the day - a halfling rogue. In the character creation screen I saw the developers had conveniently highlighted in green the important stats for the class I had selected so I put most of my points into Dex and Agi. Then for good measure I put a couple of my points into str and a couple into sta since those also seemed relevant for a melee. I don't feel handicapped at all really by this starting choice

[Cecily]

Green stats have screwed over so many young rogues. Makes me sad. If you ever have a shot at scoring a primal weapon though... Dex is definitely not wasted points.

[Valdarious]

I know it is blasphemous on this server but I really wish I could roll a cat rogue. I went back to Live once around 2003 and did not have access to my old rogue at the time. My friends wanted me to start playing again so I took what I had learned bitd and rolled a cat rogue judging by the stats. The cat rogue was awesome as a stat rogue. Was able to solo stuff I would never have thought about when I first started out. Damage output was superior to my old wood elf. Then again, I am talking about leveling performance, not 60 performance. I never got many toons to/past 60.

[Ravager]

Well, regardless, I'd still prefer to have the extra HP.

[Valdarious]

Barbarians are confirmed ugly and should not be allowed to be rogues due to their absurd size... how they hell do you hide when you are a friggin giant.

Think of them as back alley thugs, still a rogue.

[Adolphus]

Don't roll as a barbarian. Trust me, it's annoying being that big and having to click a mask all the time to shrink. Your job is to get behind mobs and poke them. Being a large toon makes that more difficult on raids and such.

Also, the only stat that matters to you is STR. I wouldn't worry about STA.. if you're going to get smacked by mobs at higher levels, 40 hp isn't going to save you. You either evade or die. Don't get aggro, or die.

Cap STR at 255 then focus on resist gear. My thoughts.

[Valdarious]

To each their own. Play what ever you feel more comfortable with be it a halfling or a barbarian. I chose barbarian for a couple of reasons. I don't have tons of contacts or bank fulls of plat on alternate characters to get power leveled to 60.
I play this game to have fun and have fun leveling. I don't base everything I do on what it is going to be at 60 cause it is going to take a long time to get there. I would say I am going to be spending more time getting there than being there so I chose the way I did. I do miss a little bit of being a wood elf due to foraging and looks but I prefer having the stats of a barbarian for damage at my level along with some added HP early on with no special twink gear.
The way I feel about the size is I have the option of being large or small and can wear medium or large items. I do realize most people that only race to 60 will not have these issues but that is not me.
Just giving another perspective is all.

[Dragonsblood1987]

How the hell do you get an epic that early lol?

Pretty fucked up, huh? Getting your epic should be a rite of passage, not something bought from poopsockers.

[Emsee]

If you group with a warrior, don't BS much. If you group with a knight BS a lot.

[Laberintica]

If you think it's annoying being big on a raid, I don't think you've ever played gnome or halfling. You can't even get close to a mob everyone blocks you

[Frug]

Pretty fucked up, huh? Getting your epic should be a rite of passage, not something bought from poopsockers.

Saw a level 1 rogue link an epic in guild chat this week. Doesn't mean he has it of course, but I think he did.

I threw up in my mouth a little.