This GM ruling may push me never to play my wizard again

[aserver1987]

So last night, I was at Seafury Island trying to farm for cash. While setting up a quad kite, I usually pull with my level 1 spell shock of frost (I know some wizards use staff of temperate flux for this process, but this is my method.) Anyways, while in the process of setting up my quad, a necromancer decided to pull a seafury off me, then later claimed he did it because the mob was undamaged, and that it's by rules that because the mob was undamaged and chasing me, he could pull it off me.
I sent a petition to the GM to question what he said, and the GM ruled in his favor. Basically this taught me that if a wizard decides to pull with something like his low level damage spell, or staff of the temperate flux, any other player is allowed to pull whatever mobs he is pulling off him, with no repercussions.
So now the one thing I know wizards are good at (quad kiting) is not protected by any sort of rule, unless we use some kind of inefficient higher damage spell to put more damage on the mob, which the longer cast also puts us in more danger to get caught by whatever mobs may already be chasing us while setting up the quad.
Without any sort of rule to protect me from getting my mobs pulled off me like what this necromancer did, I'm not even sure if I would like to play my wizard anymore. The one thing that makes wizards effective solo's has no sort of rule to protect their pulls. This ruling by the GM makes me not want to play my wizard anymore.

[Uteunayr]

Not really directly addressing the point here, but if you used a Staff of Temperate Flux, you could dig so much hate into a Seafury that few would ever manage to pull it off of your quad.

Give the staff a shot. It's awesome.

[Porcoa]

So last night, I was at Seafury Island trying to farm for cash. While setting up a quad kite, I usually pull with my level 1 spell shock of frost (I know some wizards use staff of temperate flux for this process, but this is my method.) Anyways, while in the process of setting up my quad, a necromancer decided to pull a seafury off me, then later claimed he did it because the mob was undamaged, and that it's by rules that because the mob was undamaged and chasing me, he could pull it off me.
I sent a petition to the GM to question what he said, and the GM ruled in his favor. Basically this taught me that if a wizard decides to pull with something like his low level damage spell, or staff of the temperate flux, any other player is allowed to pull whatever mobs he is pulling off him, with no repercussions.
So now the one thing I know wizards are good at (quad kiting) is not protected by any sort of rule, unless we use some kind of inefficient higher damage spell to put more damage on the mob, which the longer cast also puts us in more danger to get caught by whatever mobs may already be chasing us while setting up the quad.
Without any sort of rule to protect me from getting my mobs pulled off me like what this necromancer did, I'm not even sure if I would like to play my wizard anymore. The one thing that makes wizards effective solo's has no sort of rule to protect their pulls. This ruling by the GM makes me not want to play my wizard anymore.

http://www.englishexercises.org/makeagame/my_documents/my_pictures/2011/jun/AF4_certified_drama_queen.jpg

Really though, you should have no problem taking the giant back from a necro when you are a Wizard. And if this was a one time thing, you are overreacting.

[Ele]

Some how I think there is more to this story.

[Messianic]

This has never been an issue for my wizard. I can't say I agree with it or that it's reasonable, but seafuries are heavily contested so I really only go during extreme off hours anyway. I imagine Cobalt Scar will be a nightmare once Velious opens.

So I think it's a bit of an overreaction to say it makes you not want to play your wizard.

[Pullyn]

What Uteunayr said, Flux staff spam, Shits beast

[Tiggles]

I bet you are one of those wizards that tries and quads during prime time and ends up kiting one seafury for 15 minutes trying to find more spawns and holding up the whole island.

I KS those people too and you won't get in trouble if you do too.

[SamwiseRed]

as a wizzie you should prob just burn 2 then med. it will be faster than trying to find 4 and will guarantee your kills. assuming you are doing this during primetime.

[Tecmos Deception]

Some how I think there is more to this story.

[Orruar]

Don't be a dick and quad seafuries when others are there. Most quadders end up taking an inordinate amount of time killing the quad, which sucks ass when the mobs are a fairly fast repop. You end up reducing the total number of dead sefuries by a significant amount.

[aserver1987]

http://www.englishexercises.org/makeagame/my_documents/my_pictures/2011/jun/AF4_certified_drama_queen.jpg

Really though, you should have no problem taking the giant back from a necro when you are a Wizard. And if this was a one time thing, you are overreacting.

This is a pretty poor response, I'm honestly shocked an officer of a guild would post something like this.
First of all, if I do cast spells to take aggro back, he would pull the mob back off me with one of his spells. I would be wasting mana, and my quad would be unsuccessful.

[Rellapse40]

kite the whole island on the other side of the zone for like 4 hours

necro will cry then leave

$$

[Messianic]

This is a pretty poor response, I'm honestly shocked an officer of a guild would post something like this.
First of all, if I do cast spells to take aggro back, he would pull the mob back off me with one of his spells. I would be wasting mana, and my quad would be unsuccessful.

This isn't your best line of argument. I'd stick to the main point and not feed the trolls.

Tempflux is free and spammable. He can sit there and cast all he wants, you'll keep aggro. If he snares it, you single nuke it down, it's yours. If he sends pet, you root, you nuke it down, it's yours. He doesn't win unless you let him.

[Porcoa]

This is a pretty poor response, I'm honestly shocked an officer of a guild would post something like this.
First of all, if I do cast spells to take aggro back, he would pull the mob back off me with one of his spells. I would be wasting mana, and my quad would be unsuccessful.

It was a joke, calm down.

[aserver1987]

Not really directly addressing the point here, but if you used a Staff of Temperate Flux, you could dig so much hate into a Seafury that few would ever manage to pull it off of your quad.

Give the staff a shot. It's awesome.

I just might.
To me, losing the main hand item slot, which would cause me to lose 100 or so mana at least, didn't seem worth putting in a free instant cast spell. But if it draws a ton of aggro, it may help contest mobs when needed.

[Porcoa]

I just might.
To me, losing the main hand item slot, which would cause me to lose 100 or so mana at least, didn't seem worth putting in a free instant cast spell. But if it draws a ton of aggro, it may help contest mobs when needed.

I was under the impression you could clicky staff from your inventory, not positive on that though.

[Messianic]

I was under the impression you could clicky staff from your inventory, not positive on that though.

You can.

Bro, put the item in your inventory and spam away. You gotta at least try stuff like that without assuming you can't do it.

[aserver1987]

You can.

Bro, put the item in your inventory and spam away. You gotta at least try stuff like that without assuming you can't do it.

You learn something new everyday.
I was under the impression you had to equip it to use it, because that's what I saw another wizard doing while quadding.

[Ele]

I just might.
To me, losing the main hand item slot, which would cause me to lose 100 or so mana at least, didn't seem worth putting in a free instant cast spell. But if it draws a ton of aggro, it may help contest mobs when needed.

You got some learning to do about what your wizard is capable. Leave temp flux in inventory next to your jboots, assign it a hotkey, and go to town. You can also use it to get around the global spell cool down timer and rapid fire your nukes if someone is trying to KS you.

[Uteunayr]

I just might.
To me, losing the main hand item slot, which would cause me to lose 100 or so mana at least, didn't seem worth putting in a free instant cast spell. But if it draws a ton of aggro, it may help contest mobs when needed.

Clicks from inventory. Stick it in your 8th bag slot, hotbar that to slot 1, and spam the hell out of it on anything you pull. You'll generate insane hate.

[aserver1987]

You got some learning to do about what your wizard is capable. Leave temp flux in inventory next to your jboots, assign it a hotkey, and go to town. You can also use it to get around the global spell cool down timer and rapid fire your nukes if someone is trying to KS you.

Yes, I could rapid fire nukes and get the kill, but you have to understand that is also inefficient, and mostly a win for the necro because then instead of killing 4 mobs, I only kill 1 and have to med for about 8 minutes while he happily goes about his business killing more mobs with his much more mana efficient dots and pet.

[Messianic]

Yes, I could rapid fire nukes and get the kill, but you have to understand that is also inefficient, and mostly a win for the necro because then instead of killing 4 mobs, I only kill 1 and have to med for about 8 minutes while he happily goes about his business killing more mobs with his much more mana efficient dots and pet.

But you've wasted his time, and he's usually less likely to try to steal one from you again. Especially if he's casting expensive dots at it prior to you burning it to death.

[aserver1987]

Don't be a dick and quad seafuries when others are there. Most quadders end up taking an inordinate amount of time killing the quad, which sucks ass when the mobs are a fairly fast repop. You end up reducing the total number of dead sefuries by a significant amount.

So does this apply then to the shaman/druids who root and dot the seafuries and take forever to kill them also?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Mm if you pull a mob of someone who had agro first - isn't this qualifies as KS?

[Bill Tetley]

time the spawns like a pro and sit on them. isnt that what everyone does now?

[Messianic]

time the spawns like a pro and sit on them. isnt that what everyone does now?

Sshhhhhhhh

[Cap3r3]

I bet you are one of those wizards that tries and quads during prime time and ends up kiting one seafury for 15 minutes trying to find more spawns and holding up the whole island.

I KS those people too and you won't get in trouble if you do too.

[aserver1987]

time the spawns like a pro and sit on them. isnt that what everyone does now?

I think you're missing the point of this discussion. It wouldn't matter if I timed out the spawns if while pulling other classes are allowed to rip mobs off me so long as they are allowed by rule.
Regardless, with others suggestion I'll probably just get a flux staff and make it a lot harder for others to rip aggro from me from now on.

[Champion_Standing]

Someone wants to quad seafuries and it's "oh you can't do that it takes too long other people are there wanting to kill them too!" bard kites entire mid level zone its "go somewhere else". loling

[Cecily]

I find the more terrible I am at quadding, the less people there are on the island for some reason.

[Bill Tetley]

I think you're missing the point of this discussion. It wouldn't matter if I timed out the spawns if while pulling other classes are allowed to rip mobs off me so long as they are allowed by rule.
Regardless, with others suggestion I'll probably just get a flux staff and make it a lot harder for others to rip aggro from me from now on.

I wasn't making a suggestion for your problem. It was a suggestion for everyone that does not quad kite.

[webrunner5]

If you think you can go to OOT and Quad Kite Seafury's on one piss ass Island for all day you are crazy. There is only like 10 of them. Not counting they will probably kill you ass when you run OOM.

This is sort of Bardish like. You can't sort of take a whole zone to yourself. Not counting it is a killer place for plat loot.

[Fame]

kite the whole island on the other side of the zone for like 4 hours

necro will cry then leave

$$

prob best post of 2014 right here

[HawkMasterson1999]

Anyone who gets on the mobs hate list first should have rights to kill it... On the other hand, if full minutes are going by and you haven't put any damage on the mob, you're just cockblocking everyone else and should probably give up the mob.

I took my druid to try out quading SFs and found that it took way way too long. I felt like the asshole at 7-11 counting out pennies when 10 people are in line behind me. I still do furys on my druid but I pull 1 at a time and root rot/ lumi staff them down instead. In the end its better because i'm not spending 5 to 10 mins trying to round up 4. Its hard enough to round up 1.

[Orruar]

So does this apply then to the shaman/druids who root and dot the seafuries and take forever to kill them also?

Indeed. I'd support a rule that if someone is taking more than 3 minutes to kill a seafury, all their mobs can be KS'ed. Seafuries are a 6 minute spawn. So if you take 8 minutes to kill one rather than one minute, you've effectively halved the rate at which seafuries are being killed.

[Lojik]

So does this apply then to the shaman/druids who root and dot the seafuries and take forever to kill them also?

For lulz http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89449

[Koota]

http://www.iheartkroger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/211_kleenex.jpg

[Agatha]

top red guild TS laughing p hard atm at this post.

[Handpartytowel]

I just might.
To me, losing the main hand item slot, which would cause me to lose 100 or so mana at least, didn't seem worth putting in a free instant cast spell. But if it draws a ton of aggro, it may help contest mobs when needed.

lol what an retard. go too collage, moran.

you know you dont have to equip jboots to use them either

reed a fucking book lol.

[Cecily]

This wouldn't happen on red.

[Jimjam]

You learn something new everyday.
I was under the impression you had to equip it to use it, because that's what I saw another wizard doing while quadding.

Don't assume. Experiment.

If stuff seems wrong file a bug.

[Handpartytowel]

has everyone on blue literally never played eq before?

[no chewie dont]

has everyone on blue literally never played eq before?

This

and u seriously had to get gms involved over this? OP u suck

[Mendo]

lol what an retard. go too collage, moran.

you know you dont have to equip jboots to use them either

reed a fucking book lol.

Not a sports page, not a magazine,
But a book. A Mother fuckin Book!

[Rellapse40]

Funny Chewie is asking if anyone has ever played EQ

the fat,mad,sad fgt does not even leave lguk

[Swish]

This wouldn't happen on red.

Quite. In fact I wouldn't fancy an average necro's chances in pvp versus a wizard, he'd have to loot n scoot (LNS)...and you'd keep the island.

In the spirit of excessive LawyerQuest on blue however...

http://memecrunch.com/meme/KKOR/i-ll-take-the-case/image.png

[Colgate]

top red guild TS laughing p hard atm at this post.

i thought flowers didn't play with voice chat?

[no chewie dont]

Depends how drunk

[4WOFURY]

has everyone on blue literally never played eq before?

Unfortunately, the post classic era of EQ, WoW, etc have killed any sort of skill requirement or IQ requirement for playing.

I strongly feel that WoW influenced players are the bane of p99.

[Rellapse40]

wow took more skill to play than eq

tank n spank

1 button skills

super hard

[Wrench]

has everyone on blue literally never played eq before?

the curse of healthy player influx

[skipdog]

I'm personally a bit shocked by the sheer number of people totally 100% cool with kill stealing.

If you have 4 seafuries locked down, you have 4 seafuries locked down. You aren't obligated to share. You aren't locking down the whole zone... you are camping 4 mobs, period. If the GMs really sided with the kill stealers, I don't know what to say. Why are so many of you defending this?

Just because there aren't infinite seafury spawns, doesn't mean that one person can't keep 4 of them on lock and quad them. First come, first serve. I know I haven't played much here in the last few months, but was there a rules change I'm not aware of?

Are GMs seriously not enforcing the rules and letting KS'ing run rampant?

I'm just so disgusted by so many people's attitude on this issue. Justifying the KSing because 'oh he's a filthy quad kiter' or 'seafuries are cash mobs, you can't camp 4 of them at once!!!' just blows my mind.

[Cap3r3]

most aren't saying KS'ing is ok, most are saying don't be a dick and run your 1-2 seafuries around for 5-10 minutes looking for more

[HippoNipple]

I just might.
To me, losing the main hand item slot, which would cause me to lose 100 or so mana at least, didn't seem worth putting in a free instant cast spell. But if it draws a ton of aggro, it may help contest mobs when needed.

Temperate flux slot 1, jboots slot 2, gobby earring slot 3, slot 4 change out between pumice and cure pots. When getting a kill stolen immediately yonder and if dots are on you use this time to cure/dispel it. You should be able to root the necro pet at this point and begin nuking the Necro. After you waste him cure any dots put on you during the encounter, loot the necros coin and continue to quad.

[HippoNipple]

Oh this is blue server... yeah you should probably just cry about it on the forums.

[skipdog]

most aren't saying KS'ing is ok, most are saying don't be a dick and run your 1-2 seafuries around for 5-10 minutes looking for more

People keep repeating this 'don't run around with 1-2 seafuries for 5-10 mins' as if its relevant to this post when OP has done nothing of the sort. He's talking about a simple example of somebody KSing his mobs and the GMs doing nothing. Yet we get post after post of people bitching about quad kiters... its pathetic and pointless.

[no chewie dont]

First get gms involved then cry on forums u mean

[Blasted]

The lack of sympathy toward the OP has a lot less to do with people "siding with the kill stealers" and a lot more to do with the fact that this guy should have been able to resolve this himself without wasting GM's time with a petition and your/my time with this post.

It's really, REALLY hard to steal ANYTHING from a wizard who knows what he's doing. Figure out your class and stop whining, end of story.

[fishingme]

The lack of sympathy toward the OP has a lot less to do with people "siding with the kill stealers" and a lot more to do with the fact that this guy should have been able to resolve this himself without wasting GM's time with a petition and your/my time with this post.

It's really, REALLY hard to steal ANYTHING from a wizard who knows what he's doing. Figure out your class and stop whining, end of story.

there's more worthless cring from raiders here than people like the OP. funny enough the majority of people who have posted in this thread are raiders.

[Haynar]

Any nice necro would help pull additional mobs for the struggling wizzy.

Always do kind things for others.

And no, I did not grant permission for assisting others in this manner.

H

[Karkona]

Any nice necro would help pull additional mobs for the struggling wizzy.

Always do kind things for others.

And no, I did not grant permission for assisting others in this manner.

H

Can't tell if serious.

[Blasted]

there's more worthless cring from raiders here than people like the OP. funny enough the majority of people who have posted in this thread are raiders.

Right, because we "raiders" never had to experience leveling up to 60 by meddling with you peasants in your slum zones. We just started out level 60 and geared to the teeth, right? :confused:

I've spent just as much as time, or regretfully probably more time than this guy, frustrated by ignorant players trying to peel mobs off my kites, and never once had to /petition for big brother to come sort it out. Grow up, yo.

[Cap3r3]

People keep repeating this 'don't run around with 1-2 seafuries for 5-10 mins' as if its relevant to this post when OP has done nothing of the sort. He's talking about a simple example of somebody KSing his mobs and the GMs doing nothing. Yet we get post after post of people bitching about quad kiters... its pathetic and pointless.

so you know for a fact that the OP has never ran around the seafury island for 5+ minutes looking for more mobs?!?!?! 5 minutes might be a stretch but I witness quad kiters almost on a daily basis in prime hours trying to fill a quad when people are sitting on spawns

[fishingme]

Right, because we "raiders" never had to experience leveling up to 60 by meddling with you peasants in your slum zones. We just started out level 60 and geared to the teeth, right? :confused:

I've spent just as much as time, or regretfully probably more time than this guy, frustrated by ignorant players trying to peel mobs off my kites, and never once had to /petition for big brother to come sort it out. Grow up, yo.

I've raided, never once have I petitioned about another guild doing xxx to me. Sure I've spent time frustrated by other ignorant guilds, but never once petitioned it.

[Swish]

http://media.giphy.com/media/bLutyr2WhXfIA/giphy.gif

[Artaenc]

Can't tell if serious.

I'm sure you'll get suspended/banned if you did what Haynar didn't give you permissions to do...

[Haynar]

Can't tell if serious.
Here they will ban you.

H

[Blasted]

I've raided, never once have I petitioned about another guild doing xxx to me. Sure I've spent time frustrated by other ignorant guilds, but never once petitioned it.

Seems we've departed from whatever train of common sense and relevance that we were both on before this post, so I'll be departing this thread now...

[Cecily]

Right, because we "raiders" never had to experience leveling up to 60 by meddling with you peasants in your slum zones.

Righto! Give those filthy savages the good what for.

[Orruar]

People keep repeating this 'don't run around with 1-2 seafuries for 5-10 mins' as if its relevant to this post when OP has done nothing of the sort. He's talking about a simple example of somebody KSing his mobs and the GMs doing nothing. Yet we get post after post of people bitching about quad kiters... its pathetic and pointless.

How do you know OP has done nothing of the sort? Honestly, I'd give it about a 75% chance that he was up to some douchebaggery before this incident happened. Or do you always believe people who give only their side of the story?

[Karkona]

This does bring up an important precedence. *If* it is legal to peel a mob off quad kiters, I need to know so I can exercise my rights.

[Wiwi]

I pull singles off bard swarms. Why not.

[HawkMasterson1999]

I pull singles off bard swarms. Why not.

I've heard people say they were instructed to do this by GMs

[Haynar]

Wait til ppl start tagging for velious faction.

[no chewie dont]

Does it really matter? Think about it

[Swish]

Blue used to be a fun place to play. Seems nowadays like everyone's mad/upset about every small issue.

Red will set you free. Honestly, it will.

[Ele]

Wait til ppl start tagging for velious faction.

blur that class C and R line!

[Splorf22]

It will be hilarious when Doljo becomes a class C guild because 4 of their people used a bracer of the hidden for a Tormax kill.

[SamwiseRed]

i still dont get blues class system, jesus wtf is going over there.

[Swish]

The answer to the OP and most of this thread:

http://i.imgur.com/0bTWdJr.gif

[Haynar]

It will be hilarious when Doljo becomes a class C guild because 4 of their people used a bracer of the hidden for a Tormax kill.
You have to dmg mobs or attempt to dmg them to get the good velious faction hits. So it wont be an accident. Ever.

H

[Aussie]

If the GMs really sided with the kill stealers, I don't know what to say.

Are GMs seriously not enforcing the rules and letting KS'ing run rampant?


KSing his mobs and the GMs doing nothing.

What seems to be your issue pal? Seems alot of built up angst there.

OP - as I discussed with you in-game, which I was happy to keep it at that, yet now you have come and bought it to the forums. You had ONE mob KS'd from you up until when you /petitioned. Our logs simply dont lie, if you engage a mob, it sets you as the first to engage, if the kill is awarded to someone else (kill stolen) it puts a big red flag up for staff to see. Like I said, this only happened once, im not about to start taking disciplinary action against other players for one single KS.

What I asked you to do, was to make it clear you intend to kill the mobs, dont have them running around the island at 100% for 5-10min while you gather up three more mobs - pretty much what most of the community here has also said.

[skipdog]

What seems to be your issue pal? Seems alot of built up angst there.

OP - as I discussed with you in-game, which I was happy to keep it at that, yet now you have come and bought it to the forums. You had ONE mob KS'd from you up until when you /petitioned. Our logs simply dont lie, if you engage a mob, it sets you as the first to engage, if the kill is awarded to someone else (kill stolen) it puts a big red flag up for staff to see. Like I said, this only happened once, im not about to start taking disciplinary action against other players for one single KS.

What I asked you to do, was to make it clear you intend to kill the mobs, dont have them running around the island at 100% for 5-10min while you gather up three more mobs - pretty much what most of the community here has also said.

Yeah, how dare I have an opinion that isn't shared by the majority in a thread. How dare I speak up in favor of server rules and don't scream at the OP to l2play or 'cry more noob'. You realize I'm just going off of the info provided by the OP, right? You realize that the only people making accusations about the OP kiting mobs and not killing them is people who weren't there, right?? Your post is the first time we've seen any evidence that the OP was doing anything except having a mob stolen by somebody else and having the GMs not act upon it. Yeah, if he is kiting around mobs for 10 minutes with them at 100% then he doesn't deserve them but your post is the first one to confirm that is even happening. Everybody else in this thread was just throwing around baseless accusations.

But yeah... I must have 'an issue' like you say... Jesus christ lol...

[HawkMasterson1999]

^yeah but we were right though... go figure

[Kevynne]

http://www.englishexercises.org/makeagame/my_documents/my_pictures/2011/jun/AF4_certified_drama_queen.jpg

Really though, you should have no problem taking the giant back from a necro when you are a Wizard. And if this was a one time thing, you are overreacting.


Not really directly addressing the point here, but if you used a Staff of Temperate Flux, you could dig so much hate into a Seafury that few would ever manage to pull it off of your quad.

Give the staff a shot. It's awesome.

[Frug]

i still dont get blues class system, jesus wtf is going over there.

Why do you care?

[Aussie]

You realize I'm just going off of the info provided by the OP, right? You realize that the only people making accusations about the OP kiting mobs and not killing them is people who weren't there, right??

Maybe you have learnt a lesson out of that one then :rolleyes:

[Splorf22]

i still dont get blues class system, jesus wtf is going over there.

but I thought you red players were, like, a superior intellect or something, bro

:rolleyes:

[Ambrotos]

has everyone on blue literally never played eq before?

How can you claim you know how to play eq when you needed 3rd party programs to hold your hand?

[zanderklocke]

How can you claim you know how to play eq when you needed 3rd party programs to hold your hand?

Ha. I feel like there's a good story in this.

[Ele]

How can you claim you know how to play eq when you needed 3rd party programs to hold your hand?

lolol

[SamwiseRed]

but I thought you red players were, like, a superior intellect or something, bro

:rolleyes:

dont think anyone playing this emu has superior intellect :D

[Daldolma]

pm wizard info pls

[SamwiseRed]

ya can i have your stuff?

[YendorLootmonkey]

How can you claim you know how to play eq when you needed 3rd party programs to hold your hand?

Welp, that about wraps up this thread for Handpartytowel.

[Flamewraith]

Heh under that same logic you could tag a raid mob from the monk that pulled because his javelin didn't do "significant damage." Jokes aside I dunno what to say about this. All I have to say is that I would much rather deal with quad kiters than those shammies that lock down six seafuries for like 20 mins. Ass hole.

[fishingme]

Maybe you have learnt a lesson out of that one then :rolleyes:

How was he running around for 5-10 minutes with only 1 seafury on him? I think we need seafuries to shout out who has aggro'ed them first. put in a 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 for the seafuries too so we know which ones are taken. We will have our soulfires loaded for Cheal, np.

[Savok]

You have to dmg mobs or attempt to dmg them to get the good velious faction hits. So it wont be an accident. Ever.

H

So how do the healers on raids get faction hits? I remember on Velious raids pumping the clerics with manasong and doing absolutely no damage to Toramax/Dain/Vindicator/AoW/Yelinak et al and getting faction hits.

[Lojik]

Blue used to be a fun place to play. Seems nowadays like everyone's mad/upset about every small issue.

Red will set you free. Honestly, it will.

Not playing Everquest will set you free. If you think red is awesome cause of pvp, lol

[Clark]

I bet you are one of those wizards that tries and quads during prime time and ends up kiting one seafury for 15 minutes trying to find more spawns and holding up the whole island.

I KS those people too and you won't get in trouble if you do too.

lol

[Psionide]

A lot of hypocrisy in this thread. Like someone else stated when a new player to the server comes to complain about a bard kiting an entire mid level zone where people are legit trying to XP the masses come out and crucify that person. Also, everyone's quick to jump on a wizard kiting like they are not supposed to use the one class defining skill they have? Meanwhile, again nothing is said about the necros, mages, druids, shamans, etc who root park 5-6 mobs at a time. Also, when it comes to the amount of time to kill said mobs, give any of those classes 4 mobs at once and a wizard 4 furies at once and see who kills them first.

Granted the OP should learn his class a little better first and not go running to the GMs after ONE KS but I don't think a precedent should be set that it's ok to tag wizard's quads. Damage does not matter when it comes to tagging mobs, hell the flux staff doesn't do damage so does that make it ok to steal a mob that isn't 100%? (If you weren't spamming it) Also, how can you demean a wizard for going to a zone in "primetime" when that may be the only time they can play? Again, everyone defends bards when they swarm kite no matter what time it is primetime or not. I leveled a wizard through my early 50s at Seafury Island quadding as GASP it is actually decent XP AND plat.

[apio]

itt: level 60 players trolling a wizard who gets killstealed. gm comes into the thread to troll as well. pathetic on both counts

[jaybone]

worst part is the necro was greenblaze, aka dumbass

[Flamewraith]

Meanwhile, again nothing is said about the necros, mages, druids, shamans, etc who root park 5-6 mobs at a time.
Mages can't root park unless we use spider nets. Not gonna blow 1k to keep three seafuries rooted.

[Tecmos Deception]

mages ... who root park 5-6 mobs at a time

That'd be a lot of net clicks.

[Tecmos Deception]

Damn flame, beat me to it!

[Flamewraith]

Damn flame, beat me to it!

Get on my level bro.

[Tecmos Deception]

Also, for some reason I assumed this thread was in R&F so I posted twice instead of editting. Lol.

[Splorf22]

I avoid Seafury island like the plague for precisely this reason, but my understanding is that things are so ugly there that every cyclops is tagged within seconds of spawning. So this makes it very hard for a wizard to actually get 4 mobs, and they just run around with 1-2 for 15 minutes. Therefore I think this is mostly a seafury island specific policy; I don't think anyone would react the same way to a Wizard quadding in the Dreadlands.

[SamwiseRed]

im going to take my bard to seafury island and kite all the mobs away from the island until you guys learn to behave. no more seafuries for anyone.

[Flamewraith]

im going to take my bard to seafury island and kite all the mobs away from the island until you guys learn to behave. no more seafuries for anyone.

Must be red. Oh wait, is red.

[stewe]

Of course this wouldn't happen on the red server, there isn't enough players on that dead server to have to worry about them ksing seafuries. EQ PvP takes no real skill at all, i've seen harder PvP in browser games.

[Nikon]

Of course this wouldn't happen on the red server, there isn't enough players on that dead server to have to worry about them ksing seafuries.

You're like a month too late on that comment. Come on, now.

[daasgoot]

pretty much common sense here...

If you are pulling a named mob and someone steals it.. they're gonna have a bad day.

If you are pulling a normal mob and someone steals it.. not a big deal, let them know you are not happy with it and move along. Don't immediately petition and forum post.

If you are pulling normal mobs and someone steals them from you multiple times, they're gonna have a bad day.

[coki]

I bet you are one of those wizards that tries and quads during prime time and ends up kiting one seafury for 15 minutes trying to find more spawns and holding up the whole island.

I KS those people too and you won't get in trouble if you do too.

this

[Dragonsblood1987]

I thought an engage is when someone makes it onto a monsters aggro list, like with raid target ftes

[Colgate]

Of course this wouldn't happen on the red server, there isn't enough players on that dead server to have to worry about them ksing seafuries. EQ PvP takes no real skill at all, i've seen harder PvP in browser games.

after you spend months of your life getting max level and geared out on the blue server, you get to make a magelo page on the wiki and put it in your forum account signature

after you spend months of your life getting max level and geared out on the red server, you get to kill people you don't like and laugh at them

tough call

[Ingrum]

Of course this wouldn't happen on the red server, there isn't enough players on that dead server to have to worry about them ksing seafuries. EQ PvP takes no real skill at all, i've seen harder PvP in browser games.

You're like a month too late on that comment. Come on, now.

A month late and he's still right. Come on, now.

[webrunner5]

Get on my level bro.

Heh, that's funny. :D

[Draxx]

I was leveling my lvl 3 cleric in the Misty Thicket and I pulled two spiderlings. I was beating them down when this random high elf chick came up and killed one of my spiderlings.

I was so pissed. What a bitch. I don't want to play my cleric anymore if people can just run up and KS my spiderlings. [/sarcasm]

[Tankdan]

I haven't been on server long, but it seems most KSing goes unpunished unless it's a raid boss/ninja looted raid item

Entire guild of Galactica was KSing my mobs in south karana, and GM basically said their guild is entitled to freely KS me because they were in the zone before me

[Messianic]

I haven't been on server long, but it seems most KSing goes unpunished unless it's a raid boss/ninja looted raid item

That's because the server community is so good outside of raids that KSing virtually doesn't happen. I had all of one dispute in leveling three characters to 45+. If people can take care of themselves and play nice, there's not much to enforce.

[kaev]

That's because the server community is so good outside of raids that KSing virtually doesn't happen. I had all of one dispute in leveling three characters to 45+. If people can take care of themselves and play nice, there's not much to enforce.

That was certainly true in my experience. I recall KSing as a frequent annoyance in XP areas on live during classic/Kunark. Here, I saw bards monopolizing zones once in a while (which I never once saw in the classic/Kunark timeframe on live), but almost no KSing at all.

[Nikon]

That's because the server community is so good outside of raids that KSing virtually doesn't happen. I had all of one dispute in leveling three characters to 45+. If people can take care of themselves and play nice, there's not much to enforce.

That was certainly true in my experience. I recall KSing as a frequent annoyance in XP areas on live during classic/Kunark. Here, I saw bards monopolizing zones once in a while (which I never once saw in the classic/Kunark timeframe on live), but almost no KSing at all.

I'd have to agree with this. In all the time I've played here I've only ever had a couple KS issues and they were resolved without GM intervention.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

It's almost as if this Tankdan fella has a rich history of inviting people to grief him or that his stories are wildly innacurate or straight-up untrue.


Hmmmmmm........













Mmmmmm......

[Clark]

That's because the server community is so good outside of raids that KSing virtually doesn't happen. I had all of one dispute in leveling three characters to 45+. If people can take care of themselves and play nice, there's not much to enforce.

[Meiva]

I quad Seafuries occasionally with Nougat, and haven't had an issue. I also try to be considerate. I understand it can be frustrating for other players to run around for 5 minutes to tag that third or fourth Seafury. When I can't find that 3rd or 4th soon enough, I'll burn what I have. I haven't yet been KSd, in fact I've been incredibly impressed with how considerate the other players can be as well.

I've tagged a mob to have a necro lifetap it afterwards, he then feigned death and /say "sorry for that". If I tag with my temp flux, I feel that mob is mine. I too feel there may be more to your story.

I also avoid peak hours when I can, as there is very little profit for anyone then. I'll quest the rubies I had found during quieter hours in the Swamp for a chance at a hoop. It also has only turned a profit for me over vendoring rubies. Highly recommended.

Players have been mature and polite as of late on Seafury isle. The gem profit is quite great, but at 52 I can gain about 2-3% a quad. It's slow going, but that is a considerable exp gain. There are better exp spots, but those gems man! Don't bother the GMs for losing a Seafury to a killsteal. Also kite your mobs as far around other players as possible. It can make other players uncomfortable for you to kite over them.

Just play nice. Wizards should feel welcome to kite on Seafury island. Shamans, necros and even some monks are far more efficient at it anyhow. Cobalt Scar will be great for us, if it isn't quite as high traffic as Seafury :P

[Swish]

A lot of hypocrisy in this thread. Like someone else stated when a new player to the server comes to complain about a bard kiting an entire mid level zone where people are legit trying to XP the masses come out and crucify that person. Also, everyone's quick to jump on a wizard kiting like they are not supposed to use the one class defining skill they have?

Druids tho? :p

[Daldaen]

People don't invite druids or wizards to high-end dungeon camps. They can deal with them quadding seafuries.

[Flamewraith]

People don't invite druids or wizards to high-end dungeon camps. They can deal with them quadding seafuries.

I feel much worse for druids than anything. At least wizzies have chardok pulls for insane exp and money, and are semi wanted in raids and highly sought after in velious. Druids can uh..... sow and uh...... semi decent power level.....

[SamwiseRed]

hmm what about bards then. it takes 10-20 min min to gather all the mobs.

[Jimjam]

I'm always surprised at how reluctant necros and wizzies are to team up.

Me and my friend levelled a necro/wizard duo (frogloks of innoruuk, naturally) up to 65 on Live. It was awesome.

It's a shame OP and Necro couldn't make things work out ;p.

[brecon]

Yeah I was in OT last night when this happened. What could have been settled amicably turned into this wizard nerd-raging. Instead of just asking the necro to not tag his mobs if he's snared them, he started going off in OOC about how he was being ks'd.

[fastboy21]

learn class, play class well...don't afk...don't suck...make friends...join guild...log in and attend guild events consistantly...win eq. any class.

[Tankdan]

I feel much worse for druids than anything. At least wizzies have chardok pulls for insane exp and money, and are semi wanted in raids and highly sought after in velious. Druids can uh..... sow and uh...... semi decent power level.....

druids get Protection of the Glades next expac.. and their own Divine Light spell. They will be needed in raids where mob HP is 10x what it is now.

[khanable]

learn class, play class well...don't afk...don't suck...make friends...join guild...log in and attend guild events consistantly...win eq. any class.

[Clark]

learn class, play class well...don't afk...don't suck...make friends...join guild...log in and attend guild events consistantly...win eq. any class.

[Psionide]

Mages can't root park unless we use spider nets. Not gonna blow 1k to keep three seafuries rooted.

I should've clarified. I was talking about these classes that have been duoing, aside from the druids. I have seen a lot of shamans and mages partner up and root park 6-8 mobs because I think the limit for one person is 4 so when they group up they pull more than that.

[Psionide]

Druids tho? :p

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying Wizards were the only class that can quad. I was saying that quadding is the wizard's iconic skill that is akin to a monk FD or a cleric Rez. Aside from teleporting what is the other big class defining skill they have? Quadding.

[kaev]

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying Wizards were the only class that can quad. I was saying that quadding is the wizard's iconic skill that is akin to a monk FD or a cleric Rez. Aside from teleporting what is the other big class defining skill they have? Quadding.

How exactly is it that teleporting and quadding serve to distinguish wizards from druids? I mean, planar teleports, sure. Someday (we hope) translocates, also. Eventually, maybe manaburn as well. But teleports and quad-kiting, the two shared abilities that both classes are very well known for? That's akin to calling dual wield the warrior's class defining skill.

[Ikonoclastia]

Druids Succor

[Psionide]

How exactly is it that teleporting and quadding serve to distinguish wizards from druids? I mean, planar teleports, sure. Someday (we hope) translocates, also. Eventually, maybe manaburn as well. But teleports and quad-kiting, the two shared abilities that both classes are very well known for? That's akin to calling dual wield the warrior's class defining skill.

When did I ever talk about the fact that quadding and teleporting distinguish wizards from druids? Again, I was saying that a wizard's big skill was the fact that they can quad. I never said, "Wizards are different from druids because they can quad and teleport." Obviously, druids are really different from wizards but I didn't think I really had to note the differences considering I wasn't even talking about wizards in relation to druids at all.

[Lagaidh]

How can you claim you know how to play eq when you needed 3rd party programs to hold your hand?

Posts such as this are why I ForumQuest! Why do you?