Need legal advice from red99 PnP lawyers, Monk FD scenario, is it "legal" or not

[Tradesonred]

You run up to a monk, hes fighting a single mob. You engage him, he feigns death to clear aggro, it aggros you, the monk engages you.

To me this should be legal, FD is part of the arsenal of the monk.

I dont like PnP, i think even training should go unpunished, but im not going to try to change that, it can get bad enough that i understand the rationale behind not wanting to allow people to train.

But this is a completely different scenario to my mind, and i just want to make sure this is perfectly legal.

[Elderan]

Transferring aggro from one person to another is considered a train.

Another example of a train. A person runs to a group of 2 and aggros 2 mobs while running to them. One of the two people in that group he is attacking heals someone, the aggro transfers to that person/group. That is also a train.

[Vile]

Calling Xantille Esquire, Norratthian Attorney at Law

[India]

I think it should be legal.
If you're going to engage a monk that is already engaged with a mob... then that's your issue to deal with. The monk should have every right to FD that mob on you

[Tradesonred]

Transferring aggro from one person to another is considered a train.

Another example of a train. A person runs to a group of 2 and aggros 2 mobs while running to them. One of the two people in that group he is attacking heals someone, the aggro transfers to that person/group. That is also a train.

When the monk is on the offensive, i can understand. The monk getting jumped though, to me he should be allowed to FD to defend himself.

[Elderan]

When the monk is on the offensive, i can understand. The monk getting jumped though, to me he should be allowed to FD to defend himself.

The person attacking is taking advantage of the player who is currently attacking a mob. The monk in this case should either fight with the mob on them, run away and then FD dropping aggro when the attacker is not in aggro range.

[Naeyi]

No one engages someone who is currently fighting a mob by accident. They do it to gain the upper hand and use the mob to help dps, which can result in them griefing an XP loss very easily.

imo this is something you need to expect is going to happen when you jump a Monk, Necro, or SK soloing.

[SamwiseRed]

The person attacking is taking advantage of the player who is currently attacking a mob. The monk in this case should either fight with the mob on them, run away and then FD dropping aggro when the attacker is not in aggro range.

you stupid? if im a monk, sk, necro the first thing im gonna do if attacked is clear agro off me. same as if i was a cleric, i would DA. only an idiot would think this is training.

[Naeyi]

The person attacking is taking advantage of the player who is currently attacking a mob. The monk in this case should either fight with the mob on them, run away and then FD dropping aggro when the attacker is not in aggro range.

So because a monk is soloing when someone tries to pk him, the monk is required to tank two targets OR run away and magically drop aggro while being pursued? Someone help me out, this guy is a troll right.

[SamwiseRed]

So because a monk is soloing when someone tries to pk him, the monk is required to tank two targets OR run away and magically drop aggro while being pursued? Someone help me out, this guy is a troll right.

ignore elderan, he is a moran.

[Rellapse40]

elderan is 4real stupid

[Elderan]

you stupid? if im a monk, sk, necro the first thing im gonna do if attacked is clear agro off me. same as if i was a cleric, i would DA. only an idiot would think this is training.

This is how it has been ruled in the past. Any transferring of aggro from you to another player is considered a train.

[Super Hater]

Transferring aggro from one person to another is considered a train.

Another example of a train. A person runs to a group of 2 and aggros 2 mobs while running to them. One of the two people in that group he is attacking heals someone, the aggro transfers to that person/group. That is also a train.

Naw

[SamwiseRed]

no agroing mobs then dropping them on people is a train. attacking a person and/or group currently engaged in pve comes with the risk of getting agro. now if the monk runs and grabs more than flops, ofc that is a train. use your brain, this is everquest not rocket science.

common sense really lacking with this one.

[Telron]

Word. First thing id do is clear aggro too I ant concerned with my new attackers personal well fair.

[Elderan]

no agroing mobs then dropping them on people is a train. attacking a person and/or group currently engaged in pve comes with the risk of getting agro. now if the monk runs and grabs more than flops, ofc that is a train. use your brain, this is everquest not rocket science.

common sense really lacking with this one.

Not everyone gets banned for training. Every case has circumstances which may change the outcome of the ruling. But let me make it clear. Any transferring or aggro from one person to another is against the rules. Do so with extreme caution.

[Rellapse40]

elderan is 4real stupid

[Koota]

http://imgur.com/MOh7uwD.png

[Koota]

hope dat clears it all up pals

[SamwiseRed]

good to see some nillys arent all eldermorans. common sense wins. attack a monk on a mob with EXTREME CAUTION

[Tradesonred]

http://imgur.com/MOh7uwD.png

That answers my question, thank you.

[Kergan]

Hmm...if the monk is already engaged I would not consider it a train. Just a risk you take attacking a monk/sk/necro. I also wouldn't consider it a train if you attacked a monk and he ran off into mobs and FD'd. If you follow him you know the risk. Part of the game, using the abilities at your classes disposal. I would define training as bringing a mob from one spot to another and intentionally transferring agro to another player, via zoning/gating/FD/whatever.

[Elderan]

good to see some nillys arent all eldermorans. common sense wins. attack a monk on a mob with EXTREME CAUTION

Lets be honest Sam..

GM rulings on the server are based on their mood, their interpretation or the rule and who you are.

The rule still stands, transferring aggro from one player to another is considered illegal.

With that said.. monks get away with a lot of trains..

[SamwiseRed]

Hmm...if the monk is already engaged I would not consider it a train. Just a risk you take attacking a monk/sk/necro. I also wouldn't consider it a train if you attacked a monk and he ran off into mobs and FD'd. If you follow him you know the risk. Part of the game, using the abilities at your classes disposal. I would define training as bringing a mob from one spot to another and intentionally transferring agro to another player, via zoning/gating/FD/whatever.

yup same with cleric. i hope an idiot follows a cleric into a pack of mobs. dat double da, nite nite.

[SamwiseRed]

Lets be honest Sam..

GM rulings on the server are based on their mood, their interpretation or the rule and who you are.

The rule still stands, transferring aggro from one player to another is considered illegal.

With that said.. monks get away with a lot of trains..

nope, you attack anyone engaged with a mob, your safety from pve is not guaranteed or protected.

[Rellapse40]

you know it is bad when your own guildmate makes you look like a moran

[Tradesonred]

Lets be honest Sam..

GM rulings on the server are based on their mood, their interpretation or the rule and who you are.

The rule still stands, transferring aggro from one player to another is considered illegal.

With that said.. monks get away with a lot of trains..

It should be as what in theory cops are supposed to do in real life. They are there to apply the law, and not interpret it. Thats why i dislike PnP and would like, if we cant have nice things without it, that it stays as simple as possible to make it as intuitive as possible. The fact i have to ask questions like this is another proof of the clusterfuck it is. But i dont have the energy to fight this, especially because i understand that the ratio of angry, bitter griefers is higher here than on Rallos.

Even PK crews like Artful Death and Flowers of Happiness back then mixed in humour in their PKing, Nuuk from AD used to say he was gonna "sketch a portrait" in OOC while he was looking for targets, not the kind of full on humourless toxic black hate that is common here on forums and in-game. It was still "classy".

Anyhow that Derubael quote answers it for me.

If you want though elderan, feel free to quote me the part of the PnP rules that you think labels a monk FDing while getting jumped, a train.

[Nirgon]

So because a monk is soloing when someone tries to pk him, the monk is required to tank two targets OR run away and magically drop aggro while being pursued? Someone help me out, this guy is a troll right.


First, he's not a troll. He's the count with assburgers.


Second, if someone attacks you while fighting something, you can FD it off. If it aggros them, its their fault for risking something like that.

[XiakenjaTZ]

I was hoping to see what the count was in VP last night per Elderan's math. The guy is nuts and if you realize that he can be funny to read.

[Smedy]

allow training its classic and also allows smaller guild to do bigger plays with less people, fuck zerging to win

[Azure]

If your'e fighting mobs and are jumped in pvp and it's legal to gate or zone, it's legal to FD IMO.

It's also legal to run through mobs and FD away from the attacker. If the attacker is dumb enough to follow you, that's their problem.

This is something monks, necro's and SK's have and do and it's not much diff than classes who can gate/zone/invis etc.

Also every fight like this with just about every SK, monk, necro on the server has gone like this for me, either you kill the FD'er or they pull something like this. Going in unprepared and unable to kill them b4 they get away is not winning at pvp.'

Nothing wrong with owning them and gating away from the mobs though. So perfectly fine to attack them with mobs if you think you can handle it :)

[no chewie dont]

Monk would fd it on you while you waited
redfag101

[Fame]

The person attacking is taking advantage of the player who is currently attacking a mob. The monk in this case should either fight with the mob on them, run away and then FD dropping aggro when the attacker is not in aggro range.

Faggot

[Nirgon]

Oh I know Fame...

Anything that makes things harder for people leveling rather than inconveniencing people who farmed empty box.

[Haynar]

Transferring aggro from one person to another is considered a train.

Another example of a train. A person runs to a group of 2 and aggros 2 mobs while running to them. One of the two people in that group he is attacking heals someone, the aggro transfers to that person/group. That is also a train.

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

Here's ur sign.

H

[Xantille]

Calling Xantille Esquire, Norratthian Attorney at Law

I charge 2k plat per hour to answer these kinds of questions.

But ya, Elderan is a dumbass, Koota bringing knowledge, etc etc

[Rellapse40]

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

Here's ur sign.

H

elderan is 4real stupid

haha told you

[Vile]

I charge 2k plat per hour to answer these kinds of questions.

But ya, Elderan is a dumbass, Koota bringing knowledge, etc etc

any free consultations?

[Nirgon]

Assburgers is a serious disease, Haynar.

[Slathar]

There is nothing more satisfying than dropping a huge train.

[heartbrand]

There is nothing more satisfying than dropping a huge train.

Bind camps pretty close imo

[Haynar]

Assburgers is a serious disease, Haynar.
Only when they are in your mouth and you can't stand the taste of preparation h.

Haynar

[Xantille]

Bind camps pretty close imo

plz change sig, it is just depressing now

and ya vile, i offer free consultations. i presume you want to patent ECtunnel?

[heartbrand]

plz change sig, it is just depressing now

and ya vile, i offer free consultations. i presume you want to patent ECtunnel?

http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.nyc.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/gallery/nyc/michelle-beadle/iny9lvk.gif

[Vile]

and ya vile, i offer free consultations. i presume you want to patent ECtunnel?

PrASzzZ

[Sektor]

if I'm fighting two mobs and elder an jumps me I'm gonna FD those mobs on top of him

[Colgate]

have slewn many retards over the years who try to chase me into a dungeon like seb or KC and i just run into the middle of a group of mobs and feign then stand up and beat them down with my newly enlisted allies

[Smedy]

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

Here's ur sign.

H

Oh man

8)

[Elderan]

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

Here's ur sign.

H

Nice professional staff we have here.

I will stick by my point, transferring of agro from a mob to another person is illegal. Bannable? That would depend on the entire situation.

Haynar, next time you think about posting something insulting someone you might want to think of the position this server has given you and act accordingly.

[LulzSect]

http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ludicrous-speed.jpg

[Tecmos Deception]

As much as I wanted to use a futurama gif about technical correctness... I think it's safe to assume that Rogean's definition of training and discussion of its illegality in that P99 Guidebook thread only applies to blue. Red didn't even exist yet when he wrote that, after all.

[Nirgon]

Ya he spends hours and hours fixing things most of the other devs don't have the patience or skill to deal with. For free. He also doesn't post the source code somewhere else.

You better watch your slander against the High Priest.

How about the position of privilege you were given with a sticky thread for the leader board you edit and lie about?

[Vile]

if you attack a FD class who is fighting mobs, u r dum

[Nirgon]

Elderan needs to be used as a lab rat for testing drugs for assburgers research tbh.

[Naeyi]

Nice professional staff we have here.

I will stick by my point, transferring of agro from a mob to another person is illegal. Bannable? That would depend on the entire situation.

Haynar, next time you think about posting something insulting someone you might want to think of the position this server has given you and act accordingly.

Staff owes you jack-shit, you don't pay their non-existent salary.

[Nirgon]

He's the "point man" that thinks Nilbog should be fired too.

[Tradesonred]

Nice professional staff we have here.


Hard to disagree with Elderan. Even though i sometimes let one slip, staff should go the extra mile to set the example. Its kind of a green light you give people on the forums to post quality posts like "u dumb" in a thread where people are discussing game mechanics.

While were on the subject of PnP.

I asked this question when PnP was first introduced, cant remember if i got an answer.

In the rules intentionally causing xp loss to someone is against PnP.

So, im a wiz. I zone in, /who and see that my arch nemesis is close by fighting a mob. I run up to him, root him next to the mob, taking a tactical advantage, and nuke away.

Am i in trouble with the GM police?

Ive done this so many times on Rallos, this again is something i feel should not be against PnP. Other person can just /who, see the arch nemesis wiz in zone, go right in front of him with a mob on him to the zone line and plug.

I never really seriously played while PnP was in effect, kinda made my peace about it because I know some people just dont give a shit if pop drops to 50 peak, so im trying to wrap my head around it

[Tecmos Deception]

Staff have said that using NPCs to assist in a kill isn't against the rules as long as you still try to get the killing blow.

[Modus]

GM rulings on the server are based on their mood, their interpretation or the rule and who you are.

This could be your first accurate statement, ever!

Selective enforcement of rules and arbitrarily determined punishment is the basis of corrupt, ineffective law enforcement both in the real world and the virtual.

This goes all the way back to the start of Red99, with the mass banning of Holo while the original perpetrators walked away from the same crime scot-free...

#wipeitclean2014

[Vile]

#wipeitclean2014
hashtags that rhyme :D

[Nirgon]

If you attacked me on a classic server while I had mobs and I fd'd them on you, that's on you.

If I go abacab style into Oasis and train spectres for the sole purpose of training them, that's illegal.

I don't know where to draw the line of full of shit and stupid with this guy.

You claim to be the first lvl 60 server wide in Kunark and can't tell the difference? HEH.

[Modus]

hashtags that rhyme :D

Giggle giggle - glad you caught dat!

#wipeitclean2014

[Elderan]

Hard to disagree with Elderan. Even though i sometimes let one slip, staff should go the extra mile to set the example. Its kind of a green light you give people on the forums to post quality posts like "u dumb" in a thread where people are discussing game mechanics.

While were on the subject of PnP.

I asked this question when PnP was first introduced, cant remember if i got an answer.

In the rules intentionally causing xp loss to someone is against PnP.

So, im a wiz. I zone in, /who and see that my arch nemesis is close by fighting a mob. I run up to him, root him next to the mob, taking a tactical advantage, and nuke away.

Am i in trouble with the GM police?

Ive done this so many times on Rallos, this again is something i feel should not be against PnP. Other person can just /who, see the arch nemesis wiz in zone, go right in front of him with a mob on him to the zone line and plug.

I have no problem if a Dev or a GM puts in their input on the topic. There is always room for ideas and thoughts on the matter. But to just come out with some blanket insult is completely unreasonable.

I have never talked to Haynar but if this person wants to PM me with any personal issue he has with me I would be happy to talk them through with him. This is how professionals work after all.

I expect these sort of things from the degenerates on this sever but not from the a developer who is supposed to be the more inelegant part.

[Elderan]

If you attacked me on a classic server while I had mobs and I fd'd them on you, that's on you.

If I go abacab style into Oasis and train spectres for the sole purpose of training them, that's illegal.

I don't know where to draw the line of full of shit and stupid with this guy.

You claim to be the first lvl 60 server wide in Kunark and can't tell the difference? HEH.

Going 46 mph in a 45 zone is still speeding. Doesn't mean you will get a ticket, but doesn't mean its legal either.

[Rellapse40]

High priest slam dunked on your face

We all agree with him

you are stupid

[Slathar]

Nice professional staff we have here.

I will stick by my point, transferring of agro from a mob to another person is illegal. Bannable? That would depend on the entire situation.

Haynar, next time you think about posting something insulting someone you might want to think of the position this server has given you and act accordingly.

He's a volunteer. If you don't like it, fuck off loser.

[Nirgon]

Going 46 mph in a 45 zone is still speeding. Doesn't mean you will get a ticket, but doesn't mean its legal either.

http://blackgekikara.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/oh-jesus-image.jpg

So hard to believe you're serious about this but you are.

[Tradesonred]

See that green light thing i was talking about

[Rellapse40]

http://blackgekikara.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/oh-jesus-image.jpg

So hard to believe you're serious about this but you are.

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

[Combobreaker]

If I'm fighting someone on my monk and a mob gets in the fray then they better hit me when I FD or that's on them.

Intentionally aggroing mobs to drop them on someone during pvp isn't ok though, pras good judgement

[Haynar]

Hard to disagree with Elderan. Even though i sometimes let one slip, staff should go the extra mile to set the example. Its kind of a green light you give people on the forums to post quality posts like "u dumb" in a thread where people are discussing game mechanics
Making the staff waste their time to explain what training, kill stealing, and ninja looting for the 40th time is BS.

Having ppl spam up the boards with crap, saying things that are incorrect is not cool.

You want to play sea lawyer go somewhere else.

This is not a democracy.

Get over your over inflated sense of self importance.

And I am a code dev. Not an administrator. Not a guide. Not a GM.

And I am not nice. And HATE when I get trolled into forum questing.

ARGHHH!!!!

[Kergan]

It's all good forumquest keeps my work day lively. Thank you for your contribution.

[Nirgon]

Hmmm I have a question about training should I ask Sirken/Derubael or Eldermoran. Decisions decisions.

[MC Epic]

So, im a wiz. I zone in, /who and see that my arch nemesis is close by fighting a mob. I run up to him, root him next to the mob, taking a tactical advantage, and nuke away.

Am i in trouble with the GM police?

Why are we still discussing this?

It's already been made very clear:
If you are trying to get a PvP kill, it is clean.
If you are trying to get an Exp kill, it is unclean.

Common sense - what's so hard about it?

________________
Mesochrist
Azrael
Promoting competition and integrity.

[Elderan]

Making the staff waste their time to explain what training, kill stealing, and ninja looting for the 40th time is BS.

Having ppl spam up the boards with crap, saying things that are incorrect is not cool.

You want to play sea lawyer go somewhere else.

This is not a democracy.

Get over your over inflated sense of self importance.

And I am a code dev. Not an administrator. Not a guide. Not a GM.

And I am not nice. And HATE when I get trolled into forum questing.

ARGHHH!!!!

Someone asked a question. I answered the question based on what GMs have ruled in the past.

If anyone was trolling it certainly wasn't me. Might want to check that next time before posting.

[LulzSect]

http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ludicrous-speed.jpg

[Rellapse40]

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

[Haynar]

Hmmm I have a question about training should I ask Sirken/Derubael or Eldermoran. Decisions decisions.

You can ask me, but my threshold for what is acceptable would get me banned. And you too probably.

H

[MC Epic]

But, it's not new.

[Nirgon]

You can ask me, but my threshold for what is acceptable would get me banned. And you too probably.

H

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414G1JA28NL.jpg

[Tradesonred]

Get over your over inflated sense of self importance.


PnP is a confusing clusterfuck, especially when the finer details are lost in various threads that arent stickied.

Now youre insulting me for saying staff should have some restraint on insults considering stupid bullying is a big problem on the forums.

Carry on with it though, im past giving a shit beside the occasional drive-by comment

[Rettj]

Making the staff waste their time to explain what training, kill stealing, and ninja looting for the 40th time is BS.

Having ppl spam up the boards with crap, saying things that are incorrect is not cool.

You want to play sea lawyer go somewhere else.

This is not a democracy.

Get over your over inflated sense of self importance.

And I am a code dev. Not an administrator. Not a guide. Not a GM.

And I am not nice. And HATE when I get trolled into forum questing.

ARGHHH!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/CoAtgLp.gif

[Nirgon]

Considering what he wants to say, I have a feeling he sugar coated that as much as possible.

How about stop saying stupid shit and misguiding people? I don't see Haynar starting hate threads around here or making up shit about the server/pvp battles drawing flames.

[Kergan]

This thread is officially ready for RNF.

[Tradesonred]

Considering what he wants to say, I have a feeling he sugar coated that as much as possible.

How about stop saying stupid shit and misguiding people? I don't see Haynar starting hate threads around here or making up shit about the server/pvp battles drawing flames.

Ive ripped on Elderan myself in the past, im just saying what im saying. Forum toxic enough without staff egging on players that its ok to post "Youre stupid" outside of rants and flames.

What was a discussion on PnP became a youre stupid fest and yea thread is ripe for RnF now.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

I'm a monk and I can say with 100% certainty that i will fd aggro onto someone that tries to jump me. It's a mechanic of the class.

[Nirgon]

Tell you what after next pvp battle I'll make a post making up numbers present for both sides and deaths incurred. Then I'll complain when someone calls me a retard.

That's being double retarded.

[Elderan]

Considering what he wants to say, I have a feeling he sugar coated that as much as possible.

How about stop saying stupid shit and misguiding people? I don't see Haynar starting hate threads around here or making up shit about the server/pvp battles drawing flames.

Disprove my numbers then.

Because you can't.

[Rettj]

If you ain't pushing it to the limit and skirting bans as an FD class ur wrong

[Rellapse40]

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

[Nirgon]

You constantly edited or took down your leader board when things weren't going well or something made you mad.

I'm just going to immediately trust you on everything.

[Rellapse40]

his best rage moment was when he got mad then made a threat to stop donating

[Elderan]

You constantly edited or took down your leader board when things weren't going well or something made you mad.

I'm just going to immediately trust you on everything.

Board was never edited. Data was never changed. Board went private when the new PNP was put in and the board was being used to ban people. I then stopped the board because my paid time was up on the server and people did not really want it anymore.

[Nirgon]

Exactly who are you convincing? Yourself?

[Rettj]

To be fair no user - made board is EVER going to be 100%. If it's based in reading YT logs then there will also be random gaps do to missing logs/server bounces etc.

Need staff supplied LB.

[Elderan]

Exactly who are you convincing? Yourself?

Why are you still here? You haven't played since I have been on this server since Jan 2013 and you RMTed you wizard.

You claim classic but are so far off on most or your ideas but then refuse to change them when evidence is thrown in your face.

If I quit I certainly wouldn't post on the forums for years after.

[SamwiseRed]

Oh man good read. Best reading I've done on the shitter in a good minute.r

[Elderan]

To be fair no user - made board is EVER going to be 100%. If it's based in reading YT logs then there will also be random gaps do to missing logs/server bounces etc.

Need staff supplied LB.

Correct, It kept about a 97% accuracy rate. The data that displayed was 100% accurate. However the logs did have small gaps from time to time, which cause that 3% in data loss.

I kept the boards running because Alecta said he was going to provide an API which listed kills, assist etc so the website could be more accurate. This never happened.

[Nirgon]

Love dis misconception that I don't play on P99.

Derubael's found me in game :).

I also don't expect people to love when I post something out of whack that needs to be fixed that people find convenient.

How accurate was everything disappearing minus one kill in mass pvp on Colgate? Was that 97% accurate? Face it, you changed it all the time in fits of rage. I'm sure the comp running it would go off line at times and things would go missing but you blatantly edited it all the time.

[Nirgon]

How'd this happen?

http://i.imgur.com/3A9BJGd.png

Fraud.

[Rellapse40]

lololol

[Nirgon]

Anyone want to stick their neck out and defend Elderan from that last post I made?

[Colgate]

I added a system that allows me to disable someone or guild from the leaderboards

http://i.imgur.com/Q3cXENX.png

this day was real funny

[SamwiseRed]

Inc Ecoli

[Sektor]

Anyone want to stick their neck out and defend Elderan from that last post I made?

YEA ME.........





















sike lol

[Nirgon]

Ya let me guess totally unrelated to a day that he got mad.

[Elderan]

How'd this happen?

Fraud.

Was a bug, was fixed in less than 12 hours..

Try harder.

[Rellapse40]

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

[SamwiseRed]

Bug only affected one guild lol

[Slathar]

Was a bug, was fixed in less than 12 hours..

Try harder.

Hahahahahahaha.

[Nirgon]

That is actually sad

[Elderan]

Bug only affected one guild lol

Was a failed join statement I was working on to increase performance.

Colgate, someone who claims he never looked at the boards and hated it was the first person to start spamming me as soon as the problem happened. He was basically begging for the board to come back.

For someone who claims they didn't care, he sure cared a lot that day.

[Nirgon]

I liked the join statement change that only showed 1 Colgate death for the whole board for a while.

Was a failed join statement I was working on to increase performance.


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[Gaanon]

You were pissy because we were training you in VP when it was legal, then you said it was because people were talking shit in OOC.

Was a straight up lil bitch melt down removing Az from the boards, nothing else.

I am personally glad, leaderboards are garbage, and prove nothing about a player other than he can play safe and take easy kills, or take a lot of easy fights.

Let them all burn.

[Elderan]

You were pissy because we were training you in VP when it was legal, then you said it was because people were talking shit in OOC.

Was a straight up lil bitch melt down removing Az from the boards, nothing else.

I am personally glad, leaderboards are garbage, and prove nothing about a player other than he can play safe and take easy kills, or take a lot of easy fights.

Let them all burn.

The nice thing about the training was it gave me time to work on side projects since there was a lot of downtime.

I will admit the leaderboards promoted a lot of bad habits from people. This is one of the main reasons I took it down.

[Gaanon]

Nice to rewrite history in your mind, then you won't feel like such a loser to yourself.

I support.

[Sektor]

The nice thing about the training was it gave me time to work on side projects since there was a lot of downtime.

I will admit the leaderboards promoted a lot of bad habits from people. This is one of the main reasons I took it down.

I was in Nilly while Lite and Twainz were training and Elderan would scream in the ts channel was one of my highlights while in the guild.

[Elderan]

I was in Nilly while Lite and Twainz were training and Elderan would scream in the ts channel was one of my highlights while in the guild.

Pretty sure I haven't screamed in about 10 years.

[Sektor]

Pretty sure I haven't screamed in about 10 years.

You definitively did lol.

[Rellapse40]

bet he screamed when he saw a dev write this

And we have a new #1 for stupidest person on the server.

[Colgate]

http://oi40.tinypic.com/b4i3km.jpg

[Rellapse40]

lol can u say melt down

[Colgate]

p sure this was the same day that he was begging twainz to stop training and to 1v1 him in skyfire to settle it, while spamming him with tells saying things like "dude come on i thought we were friends don't do this to me man"

[FaithlessKR]

Should rename this thread Elderan vs the world, because he's so clearly delusional that everyone disagrees and he still believes he's right....go figure.

[Haynar]

Pretty sure I haven't screamed in about 10 years.
Dude. Some stuff you just ignore. And you don't respond to.

But since you set yourself up, I will oblige.

You mean squealed like a girl then?

H

[Nirgon]

Sources confirm it sounded like this just after 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1VV1p4NIVY

[Tradesonred]

Im not a brocoli, youre a celeri!

[Haynar]

Sources confirm it sounded like this just after 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1VV1p4NIVY

Serious LOL. Too much.

[Rettj]

Myg0t sick reference bro

[MC Epic]

Someone asked a question. I answered the question based on what GMs have ruled in the past.

Sourceplz

[Eslade]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/pile_of_shit.gif

[Rystar]

^^

[Tradesonred]

Someone asked a question. I answered the question based on what GMs have ruled in the past.

If anyone was trolling it certainly wasn't me. Might want to check that next time before posting.

Then link that quote and make him look like an ass, and all the wormy, bandwagony, idiot bully, brown nosing forum warrior trolls at the same time.

[Azure]

If your'e fighting mobs and are jumped in pvp and it's legal to gate or zone, it's legal to FD IMO.

It's also legal to run through mobs and FD away from the attacker. If the attacker is dumb enough to follow you, that's their problem.

This is something monks, necro's and SK's have and do and it's not much diff than classes who can gate/zone/invis etc.

Also every fight like this with just about every SK, monk, necro on the server has gone like this for me, either you kill the FD'er or they pull something like this. Going in unprepared and unable to kill them b4 they get away is not winning at pvp.'

Nothing wrong with owning them and gating away from the mobs though. So perfectly fine to attack them with mobs if you think you can handle it :)

Staff have said that using NPCs to assist in a kill isn't against the rules as long as you still try to get the killing blow.

Don't be dumb and intentionally train OOR players or raids with deliberate bluebie tactics.

/thread

[Haynar]

Quoting things out of context ... FTW!!!!

[Rellapse40]

hes a retarded wanna be tranny

what do u expect

[Arclyte]

shouldnt need a mod to tell you what is common sense

[Koota]

This thread really took off since I last posted in it. Good read

[Clark]

You run up to a monk, hes fighting a single mob. You engage him, he feigns death to clear aggro, it aggros you, the monk engages you.

To me this should be legal, FD is part of the arsenal of the monk.

I dont like PnP, i think even training should go unpunished, but im not going to try to change that, it can get bad enough that i understand the rationale behind not wanting to allow people to train.

But this is a completely different scenario to my mind, and i just want to make sure this is perfectly legal.

[Naeyi]

http://imgur.com/MOh7uwD.png

from page two ladyboys and neckbeards, this thread is overdue for rnf

[Buhbuh]

read only the first post -- will continue clearing agro when engaged by another on my monk in PvE situations.

it's not training, it's whomever attacks being ballsy and/or dumb enough to attack a monk with mobs around when they know the situation can easily change for the worse.

any monk can argue the intention was to avoid PvE death, not training.