Classic display darkness

[Bardolap]

I haven't seen a reference to this, and several searches also turned up no results, and I'm hoping it's possible to at least make it similar to classic...

Is it possible to reduce the display settings to eliminate all of the modern, gamma-corrected brightness? I remember EQ being VERY dark in 1999. I specifically remember how things looked at night, and the red glow of mobs due to ultravision. I'm worried that this isn't possbile with the Titanium client.

Any help?

[loramin]

Nope, it's an (unfortunate) limit of the Titanium client.

*EDIT:* Well, except you can always turn your alpha down.

[Bardolap]

So no red glowing skeletons then? :-(

That make me a saaaaaaad panda...

[Swish]

I remember EQ being VERY dark in 1999. I specifically remember how things looked at night, and the red glow of mobs due to ultravision. I'm worried that this isn't possbile with the Titanium client.

Any help?

I ended up rolling a dark elf to save the strain on my eyes back in the day. Playing with anything less than ultravision made them very sore indeed :p

[moklianne]

The Surefall Glade tunnel was pretty easy to get out of on p99. Not so much on live at the time.

[Furniture]

When did they even change the gamma in game? I somewhat remember it being bright in velious era, much different then prekunark

[Ele]

cover display in a burlap sack

[a_gnoll_pup]

When did they even change the gamma in game? I somewhat remember it being bright in velious era, much different then prekunark

OpenGL -> DX7 -> DX8 -> DX9 is your answer.

Rendering engines changed 3 times throughout the development cycle.

[Gaxx]

Yeah. I remember infravision making a HUGE difference between Dark Elves and other races in classic. That's one of the reasons why I played a DE.

[HawkMasterson1999]

open gl games always had better lighting. dx sucks mb

[fastboy21]

cover display in a burlap sack

kekeke

classic made easy with low tech solutions...love it.

[Scrubosaur]

The Surefall Glade tunnel was pretty easy to get out of on p99. Not so much on live at the time.

Played a half elf bard early on = stuck in Surefall Glade entrance tunnel all night until morning.

[webrunner5]

I guess you could just turn your gamma setting down to like 35% in options and it would be the same on like a Human or Barbarian.

I know you want a super dupper way but I would think it would work for peanuts.

[Faywind]

Yeah. I remember infravision making a HUGE difference between Dark Elves and other races in classic. That's one of the reasons why I played a DE.

Dark elves had ultravision which was the best vision. Infravision was for other races like Wood elves, high elves, dwarves etc...

[Clark]

So no red glowing skeletons then? :-(

That make me a saaaaaaad panda...

:D

[Haynar]

Bet I could force a gamma setting in the client to make this happen. Maybe its something to look into.

H

[Argh]

Bet I could force a gamma setting in the client to make this happen. Maybe its something to look into.

H

Oh god, please no.

[jarshale]

Bet I could force a gamma setting in the client to make this happen. Maybe its something to look into.

H

pls no ;_;

I love classic eq but fuck do I not want classic eye strain.

[Bardalicious]

Bet I could force a gamma setting in the client to make this happen. Maybe its something to look into.

H

OH GOD YES!!

Make it happen, Haynar! :D

[khanable]

Fuck yes haynar

::brofist::

Make it rain classic pixels

[phacemeltar]

Bet I could force a gamma setting in the client to make this happen. Maybe its something to look into.

H

if you could do this it would be great. i personally play mine at 10% and its not bad at all. i main a human too

[MilanderTruewield]

I have my gamma at 10% also, on live as well.

Things I've noticed though: Clip plane here doesn't seem to go as far as live does. HATE the yellow fog in Toxx forest, don't remember that at all on live.

Because I like asking random questions: Why do NPC's walking by a closed door, but they are not going to path THROUGH the door, cause the door to open anyway?

[applesauce25r624]

turning off the lights

ghetto tactics involving using a piece of cardboard to cover up the bright ass chat box from the OG client so you can see better at night

shit can't possibly be any more classic

[applesauce25r624]

+1 for haynar bringing back classic crap vision

[Danth]

Merely changing the gamma down to simulate dark nights would be non-classic and hence undesirable. The Titanium client doesn't simply correct gamma; rather it adds a sort of ultravision-style effect. This is noticeable because of the altered tint color of the screen. If you log on in an outdoor zone at night, often it'll take several game ticks before the client visibly switches this effect "on." In addition, that only occurs in outdoor zones; dark interior zones (such as Befallen) remain properly dark.

I wouldn't mind seeing the client's pseudo-ultravision effect removed, but I wouldn't want to see a forced gamma hack. Half-baked, non-classic implementations don't appeal to me at all.

Danth

[captnamazing]

Please Haynar

I miss the scary darkness

[Frug]

I have my gamma at 10% also, on live as well.

Things I've noticed though: Clip plane here doesn't seem to go as far as live does. HATE the yellow fog in Toxx forest, don't remember that at all on live.

It was. I leveled up several erudites, and it was definitely there. That was one of the big WTF?'s in Classic - make a race that can't see have a newbie zone that was damn near impenetrable.

[myriverse]

Yup. That's why I deleted my Eru very quickly.

[fastboy21]

would be awesome...

there is a reason why night vision races have exp penalties...make the human scum pay for their failure to pick a real race in a fantasy mmo.

[MilanderTruewield]

The first time I zoned into Toxx was in 2001 sometime. I don't know if it was removed by that time or I just didn't spend enough time there to remember it.

Possibly same thing on the clip plane - I had an emachines computer back then and I'm fairly sure it couldn't handle EQ's real clip plane so I got the shortened version. :P

[Zuranthium]

I've noticed when logging in that the game actually makes my entire screen brighter even if I'm tabbed out. Hmm.

[phacemeltar]

was this gamma hack implemented? my slider no longer seems to work

[Deltaloko]

I've noticed when logging in that the game actually makes my entire screen brighter even if I'm tabbed out. Hmm.

Same. As soon as i pop into the game both monitors go into super bright mode, even on things that aren't EQ.

[Valdarious]

The titanium client has direct relations to the windows brightness settings. If you lower your gama ratio you will see even your windows desktop do the same. As soon as the game is closed or the computer goes into screen saver settings, it all reverts.

[Nirgon]

Yeah. I remember infravision making a HUGE difference between Dark Elves and other races in classic. That's one of the reasons why I played a DE.

Hopefully some Telin-like personality can come out of the wood work for something like this.

As evidenced, Lord Nilberg will recognize, value and implement your hard work for the cause.

[Adachi]

The titanium client has direct relations to the windows brightness settings. If you lower your gama ratio you will see even your windows desktop do the same. As soon as the game is closed or the computer goes into screen saver settings, it all reverts.

I think the default gamma is 21%, fixes the desktop from changing upon starting/quitting.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Do what is required, Haynar and cast these cowards aside.

[Champion_Standing]

I think the default gamma is 21%, fixes the desktop from changing upon starting/quitting.

Yeah if you adjust the gamma so that your desktop looks correct the game is actually still pretty dark for a human. I think the actual default value for titanium is in the 40% range somewhere.

[Ravager]

I remember my first time in Greater Faydark on Live. Straying from the path was perilous. Even if you didn't get killed by an orc, you could get lost for an hour it was so dark. Also made Crushbone much more intimidating for new players. Pod lift and Felwithe were the two most welcome sights in that zone.

[Juevento]

Just because something was part of EQ in 1999 doesn't mean it needs to be around today. That darkness crap was stupid. I always played an elf/short race so I at least had infravision and it was simply ridiculous to not be able to see.

Here's what's going to happen if the gamma correction that the titanium client has is removed, folks will either quit because the game is unplayable. Or they'll get 3rd party software to increase the lighting.

[Frug]

^^^ THIS.

[happyhappy]

Like they did when they took out the target rings, the map, the compass or put the guildname on the same line, right?

[Salaryman]

Just because something was part of EQ in 1999 doesn't mean it needs to be around today. That darkness crap was stupid. I always played an elf/short race so I at least had infravision and it was simply ridiculous to not be able to see.

Here's what's going to happen if the gamma correction that the titanium client has is removed, folks will either quit because the game is unplayable. Or they'll get 3rd party software to increase the lighting.

I rather gladly play on a server with classic lighting, hell id rather a classic client and ive never played eq apart from p99. I came here for the classic experience as advertised.
Also you suck

[Juevento]

None of those is even close to impacting the game like the brightness of the screen. I am not going to put up with not being able to see. Like I said I'll quit or find a way around it.

For what it's worth, if you want the stupid darkness from original EQ here is how you can get it.

1. Fire up 2 separate EQ clients. Have one logged into blue server and another logged into red or beta.
2. Log both into the world completely.
3. Now log out of the server that you do not want to be in an close that client totally. The remaining client will have its gamma adjustment removed and you'll experience the shitty darkness that I guess you wanted?

[Juevento]

I rather gladly play on a server with classic lighting, hell id rather a classic client and ive never played eq apart from p99. I came here for the classic experience as advertised.
Also you suck

That's fine, as I've shown in my post above you can have your stupid dark screen. I never want to have to group with you since you'll likely be useless because you can't see for anything.

[Champion_Standing]

It would be so easy to pump the gamma back up if they locked the slider that it would just amount to a waste of dev time.

[Salaryman]

That's fine, as I've shown in my post above you can have your stupid dark screen. I never want to have to group with you since you'll likely be useless because you can't see for anything.

I play on red bro its hardcore you wouldnt know anything about that. I bet you keep a nightlight to scare away the boogyman like ur 12. You should quit ingame and irl

[happyhappy]

None of those is even close to impacting the game like the brightness of the screen. I am not going to put up with not being able to see. Like I said I'll quit or find a way around it.?

Think you are overdramatizing it all a bit; 3rd party software isn't required.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deadeye
http://wiki.project1999.com/Ultravision
http://wiki.project1999.com/Heat_Sight
http://wiki.project1999.com/Serpent_Sight
http://wiki.project1999.com/Chill_Sight
http://wiki.project1999.com/Truesight

Not to mention all the illusion spells like iksar, high elf and dark elf have built in ultravision.

[doacleric]

Yep, if you lower the gamma in the option settings to 21% or 26%, you will have a display that is FAR closer to classic brightness than the default gamma settings. Will it be perfect? No, but a torch will still come in handy under these settings.

In addition, EQ never used OpenGL. It was originally released under Glide for 3dfx cards and DX5, soon upgraded to DX6 with the release of Kunark.

[packmuleforlife]

have you tried playing a barbarian? 'Cause I still cant see shit.

[Clark]

have you tried playing a barbarian? 'Cause I still cant see shit.

:D

[phacemeltar]

Will it be perfect? No, but a torch will still come in handy under these settings.


3rd party software isn't required.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deadeye
http://wiki.project1999.com/Ultravision
http://wiki.project1999.com/Heat_Sight
http://wiki.project1999.com/Serpent_Sight
http://wiki.project1999.com/Chill_Sight
http://wiki.project1999.com/Truesight

Not to mention all the illusion spells like iksar, high elf and dark elf have built in ultravision.


so much content being unused because of this.. no need for torches imo except to glitch your charmed pet.

[Valdarious]

Who the hell ever used torches? Just get a fire beetle eye or lightstone, they are free.
If you want classic, just put slide your gamma down and keep calling us that like to see whinny babies. I am secure enough in my man hood to know the differences between wanting to play the way I want to play and or letting a bunch of people that want to force everyone to play the way they want to play.
It all comes down to choice, why take choice away?

[Frug]

have you tried playing a barbarian? 'Cause I still cant see shit.

Yes, I have. And found no problems. In "classic" there was ZERO visibility in the tunnel between everfrost and butcherblock - complete black. In P99 you can see all the way through just fine.

(Edit - should be Blackburrow and not Butcherblock there -- got my "BB"'s mixed up. Thanks Yumyums!)

[mipstien]

Yes, I have. And found no problems. In "classic" there was ZERO visibility in the tunnel between everfrost and butcherblock - complete black. In P99 you can see all the way through just fine.

WHAT?! Someone please show me where this warp tunnel is.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Yes, I have. And found no problems. In "classic" there was ZERO visibility in the tunnel between everfrost and Blackburrow - complete black. In P99 you can see all the way through just fine.

Edited otherwise post is accurate

Wtb warp tunnel also

[Frug]

Edited otherwise post is accurate

Wtb warp tunnel also

Thanks - that's what I meant. I'll leave the original up there for the lulz.

[phacemeltar]

just put slide your gamma down and keep calling us that like to see whinny babies. I am secure enough in my man hood to know the differences

oh yea?

[webrunner5]

I have to admit that IF you play a Human on here they are pretty gimped compared to other races on here sight wise. Not as bad as I remember it on live, but they do suck at times. :p

[myriverse]

Edited otherwise post is accurate

Wtb warp tunnel also
Whenever the client used to say "warp detected" I used to look around for that warp tunnel. Never found it.

[Haynar]

Have this mostly working.

Trying to get the glow from spell effects working.

H

[Bardolap]

Yay! I can't wait to be afraid of the dark again!

[Zaela]

Inspiring.

Someone should do some research. What was the typical DSL bitrate in 2000? How many people were still using 56k modems? Can probably find a way to put in a cap and delay packets from the serverside. None of this unclassic modern internet crap.

Also, what about typical processor speeds? More work obviously but it would likely be possible to force a function into the main loop that estimates effective clockspeed and sleeps off any excess beyond what was typical for the time. Let's turn back the clock on Moore's Law.

[Telin]

Will this fix be possible without affecting the UI's brightness?

[fastboy21]

i can't wait to get tells for vision buffs. classic.

[Clark]

Nope, it's an (unfortunate) limit of the Titanium client.

*EDIT:* Well, except you can always turn your alpha down.

[DarkwingDuck]

Interesting.
I'm game for classic sight.
I'm also not a baby that thinks the game is TOO hard if it's darker... Are YOU on the RIGHT server? Jeez.

[tanknspank]

Or they'll get 3rd party software to increase the lighting.
Don't need 3rd party software. Just adjust your video card settings to compensate the gamma like we had to back in '99. Nowadays you can probably even set a custom profile for EQ to only change the gamma while it's running.

[Baler]

I use a gamma setting of 26. Getting lost in dark areas or zones at night is part of the classic experience. If it wasn't for online maps and sense heading I'd have to find a safe place to hide and camp out for a few minutes. Classic :D

[Haynar]

I use a gamma setting of 26. Getting lost in dark areas or zones at night is part of the classic experience. If it wasn't for online maps and sense heading I'd have to find a safe place to hide and camp out for a few minutes. Classic :D
Thats the max equivalent gamma setting I used, 26.

I also had to make some other adjustments, because some stuff had this white fog at times that did not look right.

H

[Method]

Is it possible with some dev magic to achieve this level of darkness again?


http://i60.tinypic.com/2lopw5.jpg

[webrunner5]

Is it possible with some dev magic to achieve this level of darkness again?


http://i60.tinypic.com/2lopw5.jpg

I don't think so as far as I can tell. There have been a ton of threads over the years about this not being classic. I am sure Nilbog would have loved to have it happen if he could have by now.