AOW + Defensive

[Shinko]

[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 239 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit Alde, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit Alde, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] The Avatar of War tries to kick Alde, but Alde parries!
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] Planarity begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] Alde is completely healed.
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] Alde tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] Alde tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:19 2014] You assume a defensive fighting style..
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] Cecily snaps to attention and salutes The Avatar of War crisply.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit Alde, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit Alde, but Alde dodges!
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 928 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 883 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Alde!
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] Stabyourballs says, 'Hail, The Avatar of War'
[Tue May 06 19:57:20 2014] Elethia begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Alde tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Alde tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Tolpa begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Catterine's casting is interrupted!
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Gadfly shouts, '#2 CH - Alde -'
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Tolpa says, 'DL -- Alde'
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Auto attack is on.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 826 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 747 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit Alde, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War was pierced by thorns.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War hits Alde for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] Alde has been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Tue May 06 19:57:21 2014] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Alde's corpse2344!



[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] Your target resisted the Walking Sleep spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] Kautin has fallen to the ground.
[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] Your target resisted the Walking Sleep spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] Your target resisted the Walking Sleep spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] You feel replenished.
[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] Gunnter tells the guild, 'Wait for assist'
[Tue May 06 19:57:24 2014] Your target resisted the Walking Sleep spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Item is out of charges.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Planarity shouts, '#1 CH -- Imba --'
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Gunnter experiences visions of grandeur.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Item is out of charges.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Item is out of charges.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Item is out of charges.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Detoxx tries to pierce The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Detoxx tries to pierce The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Item is out of charges.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Auto attack is on.
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] Raden's casting is interrupted!
[Tue May 06 19:57:25 2014] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but miss!
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 48 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 19 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Spraynardd begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Dunf regards you indifferently -- looks like quite a gamble.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] You are inspecting Dunf.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Detoxx pierces The Avatar of War for 55 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Detoxx pierces The Avatar of War for 41 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 770 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Imba goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Gadfly tells the guild, 'lmfao'
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Temp-Necrious says, 'Hail, Imba'
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] Temp-Necrious says, 'Hail, Imba'
[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but miss!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 727 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 23 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Planarity shouts, '#1 CH -- Imba --'
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Detoxx assumes a defensive fighting style.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Detoxx pierces The Avatar of War for 27 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Litha says, 'lol'
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Corova tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Dunf is completely healed.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but miss!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] You slash The Avatar of War for 20 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 928 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Imba!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Kinburt tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 06 19:57:27 2014] Planarity begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but miss!
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but The Avatar of War dodges!
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] Kinburt bashes The Avatar of War for 10 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] Detoxx pierces The Avatar of War for 22 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] Detoxx pierces The Avatar of War for 20 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] Wiggedywoo slashes The Avatar of War for 16 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] Dunf is completely healed.
[Tue May 06 19:57:28 2014] Suegie begins to cast a spell.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] Solkunar pierces The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] Solkunar pierces The Avatar of War for 43 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] You slash The Avatar of War for 32 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] You slash The Avatar of War for 31 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 939 points of damage.
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Tue May 06 19:57:29 2014] You have been slain by The Avatar of War!


1152 max hit
939 defensive? 18.5% reduction?
213

sure we were short clerics, but ...

[Alde]

I was tanking with BiS Kunark gear + 3 upgrades (Vindi BP, Velium Encrusted Gauntlets, Boots of the Storm). 7470 HP / 1285 AC. Only "extra" was double Aego for this fight.
I lasted 3 seconds with defensive.

I think nilbog had great time watching the show. :p

[pasi]

Torrin-Vindicator+Statue.txt 1227 [Thu Oct 18 20:49:12 2001] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 1154 points of damage.

Max hit is 1154.

VELIOUS
Avatar of War 254 45 .18 Defensive

This also goes with these numbers that have been around forever.
Max hit = 20*45 + 254 = 1154
Max hit with defensive should be 10*45 + 254 = 704.

From the looks of both his max hit on defensive (939) and his minimum hit (239), the DI appears too high and the DB is too low. This will have the effect of making him a lot harder than live due to his high ATK.

With that said, I don't mind if we want to make this a little harder than live so he doesn't die so quickly.

Edit: I'm also pretty sure he's on the default attack speed too? The only unslowable mob I can think of that had enhanced attack speed was Dain. Will confirm when I have more time!

[Splorf22]

A max hit of 1154, a min hit of 239, and a max hit of 939 with defensive on should simply be impossible, right?

also:


[Tue May 06 19:57:26 2014] You are inspecting Dunf.


Stop rubbernecking!

[koros]

A max hit of 1154, a min hit of 239, and a max hit of 939 with defensive on should simply be impossible, right?

also:



Stop rubbernecking!

Correct, as Pasi stated. The current min/max gives him a non defensive max hit of 1639 (if correctly implemented).

[arsenalpow]

Is defensive supposed to be a % reduction?

We were fighting something the other day that max hit for 1450 and after defensive the max hit was 725, 50% on the dot.

[koros]

It's 50% off the damage interval, nothing off the damage bonus

[Fazlazen]

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:21 2002] Rexxor assumes a defensive fighting style.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] Auto attack on.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 15 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The shimmer of runes fades.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] You are stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 236 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] Heklar tells the guild, 'CH on ** Rexxor ** (4) ... Kiro next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 10 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You are unstunned.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] Vann tells the guild, 'all heal rexx'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You have been healed for 392 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:24 2002] You have been healed for 156 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 22 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] Kiroska tells the guild, 'Complete Healing Rexxor (5) Andelia Next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:26 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:26 2002] You have been healed for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] You have been healed for 409 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:28 2002] You have been healed for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:28 2002] Andelia tells the guild, 'Casting CH on Rexxor, Daebola up next (1)'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:28 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:28 2002] You bash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] Dingaan says, 'sup aow'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] You have been healed for 358 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 35 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:31 2002] You have been healed for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:31 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] Daebola tells the guild, 'Casting CH on Rexxor, Fonzi up next. (2)'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 23 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:33 2002] You have been healed for 1299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:33 2002] Kruelty tells the group, 'lava diamond down'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 16 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 344 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 681 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] Vonsid tells the guild, 'The Avatar of War'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] Fonzi tells the guild, 'Rexxor inc c heal (3)heklar up'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] Sharden tells the guild, 'Malo on The Avatar of War'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] You have been healed for 718 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 7 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 38 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:35 2002] Dingaan tells the guild, 'Monks come back now'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] You have been healed for 459 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] Heklar tells the guild, 'CH on ** Rexxor ** (4) ... Kiro next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] You bash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:38 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 30 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:38 2002] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:38 2002] You have been healed for 3157 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] Rakien tells the group, 'got it'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 23 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] Kiroska tells the guild, 'Complete Healing Rexxor (5) Andelia Next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:40 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:40 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:40 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:40 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 15 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] You have been healed for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] You are no longer roused.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] You bash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] You have been healed for 1580 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 9 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 501 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:43 2002] Andelia tells the guild, 'Casting CH on Rexxor, Daebola up next (1)'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:43 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] You have been healed for 3824 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:45 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:45 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 43 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] You are stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 259 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] Vann tells the guild, 'attack all '
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] You have been healed for 2011 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] Daebola tells the guild, 'Casting CH on Rexxor, Fonzi up next. (2)'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] The threatening visage fades.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] The Celestial Elixir fades.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:47 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] You have been healed for 468 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 17 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] You are unstunned.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] You have been healed for 236 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] Fonzi tells the guild, 'Rexxor inc c heal (3)heklar up'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 7 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 6 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] Sollador tells the guild, 'Attack'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 76 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:50 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 321 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:50 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 25 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:50 2002] You have been healed for 468 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] Dualdor tells the group, 'aecys never gave me one btw'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:52 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:52 2002] Heklar tells the guild, 'CH on ** Rexxor ** (4) ... Kiro next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] You have been healed for 1132 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 17 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 18 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 17 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] You have been healed for 458 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] You have been healed for 239 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] You are stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] The Avatar of War kicks YOU for 255 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] You have been healed for 255 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] Kiroska tells the guild, 'Complete Healing Rexxor (5) Andelia Next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The shimmer of runes fades.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:56 2002] You tell your party, 'me either'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:56 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:56 2002] You are unstunned.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:56 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 19 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:56 2002] You have been healed for 438 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] You have been healed for 468 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 17 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 36 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 37 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 366 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You bash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 14 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 30 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 18 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] Andelia tells the guild, 'Casting CH on Rexxor, Daebola up next (1)'
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You have been healed for 3148 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:59 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 13 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 456 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:01 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:01 2002] You have been healed for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:01 2002] Vicepieuse tells the guild, 'Vicepieuse tashed'
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:01 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 24 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:01 2002] You have been healed for 505 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 321 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] You are stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 259 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:03 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:03 2002] Daebola tells the guild, 'Casting CH on Rexxor, Fonzi up next. (2)'
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:03 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:03 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:03 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:03 2002] You have been healed for 468 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 569 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You have been healed for 468 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] You are unstunned.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] You bash The Avatar of War for 9 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] Fonzi tells the guild, 'Rexxor inc c heal (3)heklar up'
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] Rexxor goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:06 2002] You taunt The Avatar of War to ignore others and attack you!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:06 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 1 point of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:07 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 9 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:07 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:07 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 29 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:07 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 20 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 501 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] You have been healed for 458 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] Kiroska tells the guild, 'Complete Healing Rexxor (5) Andelia Next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 9 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 4 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 45 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] Heklar tells the guild, 'CH on ** Rexxor ** (4) ... Kiro next'
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 411 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 366 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 93 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] You have been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:11 2002] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:12 2002] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[Alde]

Good stuff Faz. Tanking with shield is classic. Hope we'll have mobs tuned so shield AC will actually provide advantage when tanking trucks like AoW.

[Kayso]

Random reply to the wrong AoW thread.

<--- moran

[koros]

Good stuff Faz. Tanking with shield is classic. Hope we'll have mobs tuned so shield AC will actually provide advantage when tanking trucks like AoW.

That's not classic at all. Also, looks like AoW has an 18ish delay?

[pasi]

Tanking with shield is classic. Hope we'll have mobs tuned so shield AC will actually provide advantage when tanking trucks like AoW.

This is wrong on so many levels.

[Daldaen]

Wat? Warriors using a shield for ridiculous damage bosses is classic as fuck... Shield AC is hot and extra ripostes from a second weapon is not.

You just had to control your aggro better as a DPS class.

Maybe the warriors you all rolled with were incompetent?

[Splorf22]

Wat? Warriors using a shield for ridiculous damage bosses is classic as fuck... Shield AC is hot and extra ripostes from a second weapon is not.

You just had to control your aggro better as a DPS class.

Maybe the warriors you all rolled with were incompetent?

from PoP on

[koros]

Wat? Warriors using a shield for ridiculous damage bosses is classic as fuck... Shield AC is hot and extra ripostes from a second weapon is not.

You just had to control your aggro better as a DPS class.

Maybe the warriors you all rolled with were incompetent?

Christ. No. Warriors didn't use shields, they didn't do jack shit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. If you care about ripostes THAT much you'd be better off with a 2 hander for better damage and less ripostes than a one hander.


Old 06-17-2004 #10
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The cap on AC in the Velious era wasn't a soft cap; it was a hard cap that had been there from day 1. After a certain point, which differed for each class, the benefit of more AC didn't just diminish - it dropped to nothing.

The change I referred to, just before PoP, changed that from a hard cap to a soft cap. You get a percentage of the amount over that soft cap. Shields increase both your total and your soft cap, making them more effective than any other item with equal AC. Your mitigation AAs, level, and class also affect the cap and the percentage return for AC over it.

Separate from this, there are diminishing returns if your AC is much greater than the NPC's attack. This is due to the nature of the formulas that produce the probability distributions that have been well documented on this board.

Does that help?

- Kavhok, SOE

[Nirgon]

Yeah never saw a shield used by a warrior (classic thru Velious) raiding. You had to keep up the highest threat possible so the raid mob (like AoW) would be dead before the clerics went OOM.

[Daldaen]

I recall them using shields during AoW... Perhaps those AoW runs were during PoP though...

Even still, warriors aren't hitting the hardcap here with current gear, they would need a shield to hit it no?

And 2-handers, while a reduction in ripostes, almost none provide a proc to help hold aggro. There's one from NToV iirc.

[koros]

Sorry that was rude. I'm just frustrated by false information being disseminated which works antithetically to the goal of p99. People have pretty flawed memories about things 10+ years ago.

[Ele]

Cleaned up to show only AOW swings from Faz's post, Flurries aren't identified with a text prompt in the original parse for some reason.

Test - vs - The Avatar of War
Attempts 101 100%
Missed 14 13.86%
Dodged 4 3.96%
Parried 6 5.94%
Blocked 0 0%
Riposted 6 5.94%
Absorbed 0 0%
4 1 0.99%
236 1 0.99%
255 1 0.99%
259 2 1.98%
276 7 6.93%
299 2 1.98%
321 2 1.98%
344 1 0.99%
366 2 1.98%
389 2 1.98%
411 1 0.99%
434 4 3.96%
456 1 0.99%
501 2 1.98%
524 2 1.98%
546 2 1.98%
569 1 0.99%
591 3 2.97%
614 4 3.96%
636 2 1.98%
659 3 2.97%
681 1 0.99%
704 24 23.76%

Tanking summary for: Test --- Total damage: 37408 --- Avg hit: 526 --- Swings: 101 --- Defended: 16 (15.8%) --- Hit: 71 (70.3%) --- Missed: 14 (13.9%) --- Accuracy: 83.5% --- Dodged: 4 (4.5%) --- Parried: 6 (5.9%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 6 (6.3%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)


[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 236 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 344 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 681 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:38 2002] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but misses!

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 501 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 259 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:50 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 321 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] The Avatar of War kicks YOU for 255 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 366 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 456 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 321 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 259 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 569 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 501 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 411 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 366 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 636 points of damage.

[koros]

I recall them using shields during AoW... Perhaps those AoW runs were during PoP though...

Even still, warriors aren't hitting the hardcap here with current gear, they would need a shield to hit it no?

And 2-handers, while a reduction in ripostes, almost none provide a proc to help hold aggro. There's one from NToV iirc.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=31305

is actually a pretty solid tanking weapon vs very strong targets, but unless you wanna blow mallets or something on every mob you'd be better off with SoDs vs most things.

People will hit ac hardcap if they aren't already very quickly into velious. It's a lot lower than you'd think. I believe it was 289 worn? It's on the forums somewhere.

[pasi]

It was a mix of shield AC not being different from regular AC, AC being hardcapped easily, warriors needing DW for threat, no good shields, and no shield AAs.

[Splorf22]

People will hit ac hardcap if they aren't already very quickly into velious. It's a lot lower than you'd think. I believe it was 289 worn? It's on the forums somewhere.

We will have a softcap here. The devs don't want to retune mobs vs a hardcap.

[pasi]

Sorry that was rude. I'm just frustrated by false information being disseminated which works antithetically to the goal of p99. People have pretty flawed memories about things 10+ years ago.

You and me both, brother.

[Daldaen]

Yep my memory was wrong. I was thinking PoP era. Definitely remember warriors using shield on General Rape, Hebbabylis and Rallos Zek (time). It made a pretty big tanking and aggro difference that you had to compensate for.

Guess not so classic.

[Daldaen]

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=31305

is actually a pretty solid tanking weapon vs very strong targets, but unless you wanna blow mallets or something on every mob you'd be better off with SoDs vs most things.

People will hit ac hardcap if they aren't already very quickly into velious. It's a lot lower than you'd think. I believe it was 289 worn? It's on the forums somewhere.

That's the one I was thinking. And I thought the warrior cap was higher than that. That looks low for warrior.

How I remember it going down was tanks would use DW until defensive dropped then they would swap to 1h / shield to extend their tanking and save the tank swap as long as possible. More specifically due to most guilds having a main tank who was best geared and a only a few other decent geared tanks. Forcing you to ride out your MT as long as possible, since he had a decent chance of survival even without defensive.

[koros]

ele - take out the bash/kick hits for 236, 255, and 259.

276 is min under defensive which is why there's a spike there.

254 + (45/2) = 276 rounded down

[pasi]

So things that are off about Avatar of War:

1) DI and DB. DI should be 45 and DB should be 254.
2) Attack Speed appears to be too fast.
3) Kick and Bash damage is using the DI here. It should basically just hit for the mob's DB (254+ an insignificant amount more).

[Fazlazen]

More (although a very short log) of AoW fight:

Here's the relevant snippet from my log. I missed a mini CH for 433 hp when I scrolled back up after dying, which is why I thought something went wrong. Truth is, he kicked the shit out of my with a flurry. =/ The two rounds between the CH and my death was 6831 damage (that's subtracting heals I got in between). I have 6408 hp. You'll notice Andelia's heal was about 1 second from landing on me in Daebola's log. *sigh*

[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You have been healed for 3622 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You are completely healed.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] Hester begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 43 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 64 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 91 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 569 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] Allis begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War staggers from a blow to the head.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Malkery begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but The Avatar of War ripostes!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Jonekn begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Carai begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Fonzi begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Areanna begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You have been healed for 459 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Your wounds fade.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] Gaash begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] You have been healed for 433 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] You are completely healed.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] Lareale begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] You kick The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] Claedeus begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You are more alert.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] Sinlainu begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] Dualdor has been infused with the power of an Avatar.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] Ryanosky Scores a critical hit!(18)
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] The Avatar of War's body is rent by vicious arcs of electricity.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] You are stunned!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 255 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] You have been healed for 459 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] Your wounds fade.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] Heii begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] Heklar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] Dualdor's body is covered with a soft glow.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Durus!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] Durus goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 257 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The aura fades.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You have been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:09 2002] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:09 2002] You disband your party.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:09 2002] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[Nirgon]

Sorry that was rude.

Just go full nasty, it is best for everyone involved.

[Rogean]

His base damage is off. Alunova told me he had set all the mobs. Maybe it wasn't patched.

[Rogean]

Sorry it appears that many mobs were missed in Alunova's update. Nilbog is going through right now and updating all the values to match this post: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136514#post1288668

[pasi]

Hey Rogean, can I ask how you guys are calculating kick and bash damage?

From the looks of the first log posted, bash and kick damage seems to be much higher than it should. This might be more than an issue with base damage.

[Alde]

Indeed, I was confused with Velious/PoP era shield usage. Btw the original Velious era AC cap / shield discussion is here: http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7643 (Kavhok's post is #10)

Do you guys (devs) mind sharing if the P99 code implement AC cap similar to the original system? If so, any way to get some insight on the soft / hard cap numbers?

Thanks again for the fixes, looking forward to test again!

[Rogean]

From the looks of the first log posted, bash and kick damage seems to be much higher than it should.

His base damage is off.

[pasi]

I did mention that it might be more than an issue of base damage.

Kick and Bash damage is almost entirely the NPC's DB + level. In the case of the original log, the DB is around 200 with a bash resulting in 727.

I was more wondering what was being factored into kick and bash damage here.

[koros]

I did mention that it might be more than an issue of base damage.

Kick and Bash damage is almost entirely the NPC's DB + level. In the case of the original log, the DB is around 200 with a bash resulting in 727.

I was more wondering what was being factored into kick and bash damage here.

This. Bash/kick should be DB + an extremely trivial amount (1-20ish?)

[Nirgon]

Actually Koros I have classic logs of dragons (Gorenaire) bashing for much higher.

Posted them in the should dragons/giants stun on normal hits thread.


Sauce (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100861&highlight=stun):

[22:38:22] Derakor the Vindicator bashes YOU for 202 points of damage.


Bumped the sauce thread too, its a good one for me. Makes me think.

[koros]

Actually Koros I have classic logs of dragons (Gorenaire) bashing for much higher.

Posted them in the should dragons/giants stun on normal hits thread.

Interesting. I was basing that on the AoW log posted as I was never super clear on that. I'll take a look.

[koros]

Vindicator's DB is 200... hitting for 200+(trivial amount) would be in line with 202... what am I missing?

[Nirgon]

I didn't ever tank raid mobs in Velious on live so this is way out of my jurisdiction.

Just pushing this along, it was a very interesting stumble upon for me.

I think posting all combat logs we can find for analysis will be useful in assisting the box Emperor/theorycraftquest.

[koros]

Gore is bashing for 124 and 131 in your logs, with a 120 damage bonus that also looks in line.

[Artaenc]

Yeah never saw a shield used by a warrior (classic thru Velious) raiding. You had to keep up the highest threat possible so the raid mob (like AoW) would be dead before the clerics went OOM.

I remember warrior taunt working (without clicky items) in Velious and 5 warriors in a row with precise taunt timing a few seconds before their defensive drops and a minimum of 8 non fail CH clerics on a chain with a few patching clerics/druids. The CH chain would move to the next tank before the current tank dies. I helped set it up for TMO on the live servers.

I just hope AoW on this server don't become a loot vending machine because it wasn't on live.

Threat wasn't the issue at all and I think I have enough noodles left from my drinking over the years that I still remember.

[koros]

I remember warrior taunt working (without clicky items) in Velious and 5 warriors in a row with precise taunt timing a few seconds before their defensive drops and a minimum of 8 non fail CH clerics on a chain with a few patching clerics/druids. The CH chain would move to the next tank before the current tank dies. I helped set it up for TMO on the live servers.

I just hope AoW on this server don't become a loot vending machine because it wasn't on live.

Threat wasn't the issue at all and I think I have enough noodles left from my drinking over the years that I still remember.

Your memory is wrong. Taunt cap in Velious was raised from 60 to 65 in a march 2001 patch. You could never taunt the AoW or most any raid mob (AoW was 70).

[Artaenc]

Your memory is wrong. Taunt cap in Velious was raised from 60 to 65 in a march 2001 patch. You could never taunt the AoW or most any raid mob (AoW was 70).

Not sure if this is how it was done but some posts suggest taunt+(or)proximity worked. Also on this post "AoW is pretty much 100% proximity agro, while idol is not." It looks like in 2003 it was possible to tank it with a single tank. This is 2003 so AE taunt was around I guess. Like I said, threat was not an issue even in the beginning.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-510.html

I was playing a cleric so I didn't have the exact details on the warrior side but I don't remember anyone ever having to ask if the warrior clicky agro item was charged for any of the Velious encounters.

[koros]

Not sure if this is how it was done but some posts suggest taunt+(or)proximity worked. Also on this post "AoW is pretty much 100% proximity agro, while idol is not." It looks like in 2003 it was possible to tank it with a single tank. This is 2003 so AE taunt was around I guess. Like I said, threat was not an issue even in the beginning.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-510.html

I was playing a cleric so I didn't have the exact details on the warrior side but I don't remember anyone ever having to ask if the warrior clicky agro item was charged for any of the Velious encounters.

No one used clicky aggro in Velious, although it was possible. Aggro wasn't really an issue with SoDs/War epic and preaggroing while a WS ranger tanked.

[Nirgon]

Me feels like you'd drop aggro with a shield.

Again, didn't tank in Velious.

My point was you wouldn't want to fight with a shield for that whole fight because.. yeah great loss of threat.

[Artaenc]

Me feels like you'd drop aggro with a shield.

Again, didn't tank in Velious.

My point was you wouldn't want to fight with a shield for that whole fight because.. yeah great loss of threat.

Well, from the posts I found it looks like you would want to use a shield to maximize your defense and you would have less ripostes. Course these posts could be by people that don't know what they are talking about but there is multiple posts about it.

[Nirgon]

You could minimize ripostes more with a 2hander (hopefully with a proc for threat).

I'd rather have less ripostes than another 40 or so ac.

A riposte results in a spike.

A spike can result in a wipe real quick like.

[NotKringe]

Not sure if this is how it was done but some posts suggest taunt+(or)proximity worked. Also on this post "AoW is pretty much 100% proximity agro, while idol is not." It looks like in 2003 it was possible to tank it with a single tank. This is 2003 so AE taunt was around I guess. Like I said, threat was not an issue even in the beginning.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-510.html

I was playing a cleric so I didn't have the exact details on the warrior side but I don't remember anyone ever having to ask if the warrior clicky agro item was charged for any of the Velious encounters.


When I was tanking it (being the MT on Rallos Zek for Ascending Dawn at the time) it was impossible to 1 man tank AoW. Even with end game Velious gear. We had a 3 tank rotation when AoW was first killed on Rallos Zek. Artaenc is correct when AoW is 100% proximity agro and Idol is not.

[Artaenc]

When I was tanking it (being the MT on Rallos Zek for Ascending Dawn at the time) it was impossible to 1 man tank AoW. Even with end game Velious gear. We had a 3 tank rotation when AoW was first killed on Rallos Zek. Artaenc is correct when AoW is 100% proximity agro and Idol is not.

I remember now tanking him into a corner to guarantee current tank proximity threat, the next one would only enter that corner when the CH chain was half on the current tank and half on the new one.

The point of having more clerics in the CH chain that is needed for a 2 sec CH is to delay the manna consumption. The more clerics in the chain the smoother the healing would be and patches only happened during tank transitions. I think we had 1-2 clerics on the rampage tank and one time we had 10 clerics in a chain for the main tanks since 900K? hit points was a lot.

[koros]

I remember now tanking him into a corner to guarantee current tank proximity threat, the next one would only enter that corner when the CH chain was half on the current tank and half on the new one.

The point of having more clerics in the CH chain that is needed for a 2 sec CH is to delay the manna consumption. The more clerics in the chain the smoother the healing would be and patches only happened during tank transitions. I think we had 1-2 clerics on the rampage tank and one time we had 10 clerics in a chain for the main tanks since 900K? hit points was a lot.

If the AoW had 100% undead aggro you want to use a slower 2 hander. Vs most mobs that don't have undead aggro you want to duel wield proccing weapons. Under no circumstances would you ever use a shield with an AC hardcap.

/thread

edit: Honestly if he was straight prox aggro you'd better off not swinging ever once you grab aggro and just loading on 2 weapons with max hp.

[koros]

I remember now tanking him into a corner to guarantee current tank proximity threat, the next one would only enter that corner when the CH chain was half on the current tank and half on the new one.

The point of having more clerics in the CH chain that is needed for a 2 sec CH is to delay the manna consumption. The more clerics in the chain the smoother the healing would be and patches only happened during tank transitions. I think we had 1-2 clerics on the rampage tank and one time we had 10 clerics in a chain for the main tanks since 900K? hit points was a lot.

AoW didn't rampage.

[Nirgon]

Need a Velious raid batphone ppl can sign up for? Shit's gettin serious. I saw a bunch of people on there and no telling how many pop in, see no one there and log out.

[Artaenc]

AoW didn't rampage.

oops ya, mixed up rampage. AoW rampage was installed way later I guess.

[Rogean]

There is a difference between "Proximity aggro" (Which I prefer to call Proximity Bonus - Extra hate for anyone in Melee range) and "Root Behavior" where a mob would just straight up attack it's closest player target.

[Rogean]

oops ya, mixed up rampage. AoW rampage was installed way later I guess.

AoW never had rampage at any point. He flurries.

[Artaenc]

AoW never had rampage at any point. He flurries.

yea not for velious but later expansions it looks like they installed AE rampage, not sure of the accuracy.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=41184

[Rogean]

yea not for velious but later expansions it looks like they installed AE rampage, not sure of the accuracy.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=41184

No, that is a separate Avatar of War that is spawned during an instance of sorts.