Shaman vs Druid soloing...

[NirrtiXXX]

which class would be better for soloing if needed? Could either solo decently indoors?

[gummab]

Outdoors with charmable mobs,druid wins hands down.
Shamans are better at harder mobs,summoning mobs etc.
I think both can solo indoors rather well,not too sure on druids been a long time since i played one and rarely was i indoors,though KK would be ideal.
Both are strong soloer's but i prefer shaman due to the fact they just bring more to the table.

[lecompte]

Shamans are king and can solo higher level content, druids do fine at root rotting eventually.

[NirrtiXXX]

thanks that is all i needed to know :P

yeah about all druids have special is porting....

[NirrtiXXX]

thanks that is all i needed to know :P

yeah about all druids have special is porting....

I guess other question is which race.... this is my first real toon but I can handle an evil race... Barbs level faster.... but..... i guess are ogre, iksar, or troll worth it, and which one is best. I would go ikky, but the problem is when you leave kunurk it is a pain to sell etc. I heard even if you fix faction you cannot sell or bank.

[lecompte]

Do a search for best race for shaman. There are about 20 threads about it.

[Vlak]

General consensus on shaman race is that Ogre is best at the end game due to stun immunity and innate regen being canceled out by torpor and canni. During 1-60 grind, though troll or iksar have a huge advantage with their innate regen. Trolls slightly moreso because they can use JBB (then again, if you can get JBB, you're probably better off going ogre since you have the time/money to invest in that kind of endgame character).

[gummab]

You could argue until the end of time about the best race(though it is troll.)
It should be more what you prefer regen,stun immunity,fast xp.

[justin2090]

http://wiki.project1999.com/images/Normal_Regen.png
http://wiki.project1999.com/images/Troll_Iksar_Regen.png

Regrowth -15 hp a tick
Fungi Tunic - 15 hp a tick

So at 60 for a ikky/troll shaman sitting is 48 hp a tick(42 a tick standing)... without torpor!

With torpor/regen/fungi; for ikky/troll that is 342 a tick standing versus barb/ogre 334 a tick standing. so for ikky/troll thats an extra 32-40 hp per torpor cast

Torpor Standing:
ikky/troll hp to mana: 8.55 hp per mana spent (1710 HP)
barb/ogre hp to mana: 8.35 hp per mana spent (1670 HP)

Torpor Sitting:
ikky/troll hp to mana: 8.7 hp per mana spent (1740 HP)
barb/ogre hp to mana: 8.425 hp per mana spent (1685 HP)

so for every 42 torpors, you get 1 extra torpors worth of hp as an ikky/troll versus ogre/barb.

started this post to defend ikky shammies (and troll) in how valuable regen is even at 60. ended post with f it, all shammies are awesome

side note. i also am a 60 cleric and love celestial elixir (clerics torpor 1200 hp over 4 ticks @ 300 mana cost with no slow/snare effect). Just realized torpor is more mana efficient than CE. Thats pretty cool.

[Zalora]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Estu]

Druids are much, MUCH better soloers than shamans for most of your leveling career. Shamans get better once you get your epic, and then become way way better at level 60 with Toropr. Basically, druids if you want to level fast, shamans if you want to be a god at level 60.

[Frogie305]

Shaman is better all around except for porting people..

[Daldaen]

Once Druid epics rain from the Sky like shamans (Verious), and once snare / root stacking is fixed (Verious). Druids can root rot just like shamans can 50-60. Infact once 60, with AE root, crazy shits gonna go down when I have my epic. Entire zones of rooted, epic DoTed mobs.

But yea, 60 shamans are stupidly overpowered because of Turgurs, Torpor and Canni.

[Rika]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

You obviously have never done 2nd level CoM with an epic Shaman luv. It's hardly tedious.

Edit: Also http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1427511#post1427511

I have a 53 Druid and I'm sick of quad kiting raptors in Timorous Deep because I suck and they always kill me. Is there any good alternative places to quad kite?

Charming is out of the question because charms always break.

[stonez138]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

With every post I'm more and more convinced that YOU don't know what you're talking about. You almost never see druids soloing in high end dungeons but a shaman can solo some of the tuffest mobs that only enc's and necro's could attempt. Shaman slow trumps everything you mentioned imo....

[Zalora]

With every post I'm more and more convinced that YOU don't know what you're talking about. You almost never see druids soloing in high end dungeons but a shaman can solo some of the tuffest mobs that only enc's and necro's could attempt. Shaman slow trumps everything you mentioned imo....

Shaman solo in dungeons because they root rot and run to zone lines when there's danger and it's a good way to kill time while waiting for groups. Druids quad kite and charm out in open zones. Quad kiting in KC would be kind of stupid.

The only people that want to believe Shaman are better at solo'ing than Druid are Shaman players clinging to their pride and lack of experience with Druid.

[Rika]

Noooo, shaman solo in dungeons because it's good exp, decent loot at higher levels and we can do 4-6 mobs at a time for exp. Both classes are good in their own way, some prefer Shaman, some prefer Druid. I'd like to see a druid solo named in Seb :-P

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Shamans are slow starters. If you're untwinked it's absolutely brutal until 24-ish. Best bet is to find a twink monk and ride those nuts until 60. Shaman are god-tier soloers are 60, with high end items like puppet strings, feign death ring, and bladestoppers making them better and better. Druids are terrible at everything at 60.

If you have the skill for it, though, bards can start kiting at 5 (though better to wait til mid teens, really) and can absolutely fly through levels. Very, very skill dependent, though.

[stonez138]

Shaman solo in dungeons because they root rot and run to zone lines when there's danger and it's a good way to kill time while waiting for groups.

All wrong. Here is why...

1) Most if not all high end dungeons don't have a zone out you can run to
2) They get better xp soloing in these dungeons then they would in a group and from my experience reject group invites
3) I've never played a shaman, only a druid
4) I can't prove this but I'd bet a shaman can kill 4 mobs as fast as a druid when you consider the ammount of runnning and medding it takes to quad kite
5) Quad kiting in KC would be kind of stupid? Why exactly? It's stupid to hunt where you get better xp and loot? Wouldn't it would be much preferable if you could do it in there? But since you can't do it its "stupid" I see...

[Furniture]

The only people that want to believe Shaman are better at solo'ing than Druid are Shaman players clinging to their pride and lack of experience with Druid.


You are comparing soloing for exp vs soloing for drops. A druid can solo for exp generally better for sure, especially with a lumi staff, but this is absolutely not true at level 60 when you are camping yourself items. A shaman can solo camps in sebilis for example which a druid cannot even come close. That is the truth and not "A shaman player clinging to their pride and lack of experience with Druid." lol.

[Frug]

If you have the skill for it, though, bards can start kiting at 5 (though better to wait til mid teens, really) and can absolutely fly through levels. Very, very skill dependent, though.

You can do it at 2. You don't need selo's to aoe kite; I never used it from 8-13 kiting wisps in NK.

That said, I did use the heal song which is not till 6. So there's that.

[fishingme]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Um, on my shaman soloing I can kill roughly 12 mobs at the same time with PE and epic.

[stonez138]

Um, on my shaman soloing I can kill roughly 12 mobs at the same time with PE and epic.

Pay her no mind. Everything she says is wrong, terribly wrong.

[Auvdar]

Shaman solo in dungeons because they root rot and run to zone lines when there's danger and it's a good way to kill time while waiting for groups. Druids quad kite and charm out in open zones. Quad kiting in KC would be kind of stupid.

The only people that want to believe Shaman are better at solo'ing than Druid are Shaman players clinging to their pride and lack of experience with Druid.

Druids can out pace a shaman with minimal gear when it comes to leveling, that's about it.

Shamans can take on bigger game solo, which is what makes them better than druids in terms of overall soloing.

[Tecmos Deception]

thanks that is all i needed to know :P

yeah about all druids have special is porting....

I think you're not giving druids enough credit. People around here are quick to call shamans the solo gods, and that is justifiable but only when the shaman is 60 AND has torpor.

But there is something to be said for a druid being able to solo by root+rot, quadding, OR charming. No other class has that many SOLID options for soloing, and a lot of people get tired of doing the exact same thing over and over and over again for 60 levels.

A bit off topic, but druids get too much undeserved hate. They're a generalist class; they don't fit well into a cookie-cutter XP group. But they are versatile and powerful solo, they work nicely in quite a few less-othrodox duos/trios (usually involving outdoors, charming, and/or fear-kiting), they are GOOD on raids (nice buffs especially in Velious, ports for mobilization, spot heals or a bit of damage/charming, etc), and who doesn't like to have one around for helping noobs/buddies level up?

[webrunner5]

You can solo on a Druid outdoors with 50 plat of gear. You can solo indoors with 400k of plat gear on a Shaman. Oh, you will NEED the epic on the Shaman also.

I play both and they are both high end. Real high end. They are different animals. Quading can get boring as hell. But so can root rotting too. Must admit group wise a Druid goes to crap at level 52ish. Shaman is good to 60. Druid is FAR easier to play in a group compared to Shaman. Shaman has TOO many F'ing buffs and spells. And Canni gets old as hell real quick. Druid pet charm is WAY under used on them after level 53. They can be pretty bad ass.

If you suffer from the screaming shits either being sick or drunk forget a Shaman lol. :eek:

The NICE part about a Druid is they can make scary plat Porting and PLing. I would think I made easy over 500k in 6 months on mine. I never had crap plat wise till I leveled up my Druid. And it is cool as hell duoing with my son on the Druid porting around compared to the Shaman. Haste is good on a Shaman Monk combo but so is Thorns. And mana wise you can't slow and haste all the time very long. And like when you get there the damn thing you want is camped and on the Druid you just say hell lets go here and guess what you are there. They both have their strengths, but I love my Druid more than the Shaman.

And for healing forget both of them. Go with a Cleric. I love it even more. In Velious Complete Heal IS King. Nuff said. And easy to play and cheap to equip.

[Auvdar]

I think you're not giving druids enough credit. People around here are quick to call shamans the solo gods, and that is justifiable but only when the shaman is 60 AND has torpor.

But there is something to be said for a druid being able to solo by root+rot, quadding, OR charming. No other class has that many SOLID options for soloing, and a lot of people get tired of doing the exact same thing over and over and over again for 60 levels.

A bit off topic, but druids get too much undeserved hate. They're a generalist class; they don't fit well into a cookie-cutter XP group. But they are versatile and powerful solo, they work nicely in quite a few less-othrodox duos/trios (usually involving outdoors, charming, and/or fear-kiting), they are GOOD on raids (nice buffs especially in Velious, ports for mobilization, spot heals or a bit of damage/charming, etc), and who doesn't like to have one around for helping noobs/buddies level up?

Agree, druids do get some unneeded hate. A well played druid can do quite a bit. Charming rats in Hate as offtanks/DPS, group cold/fire resists, solid group regen, and a good HP buff come 60. (SoV gets better with a +ATK debuff and a real good group buff.).

Only point I was getting at is a Shaman easily has the better overall solo power. Druids can solo amazingly well leveling with little investment, but the things a Shaman can end up doing later on trumps druids 10 fold.

So I will always say Shaman > Druid for solo, simply for what they can potentially end up doing. As for pure leveling, Druid > Shaman.

[JOCKJAMS]

Who's got better utility/survivability for Red? I'm not counting on groups with the Red population size, and I'm guessing I'll need a bunch of oh shit buttons outside of my grind rotation.

Between racials I'm thinking halfie druid (forage, sneak, SoW, tracking, ports) or ogre shaman (stun immunity, torpor, resist debuffs). I'm leaning towards halfie because they seem to have self-sufficiency through utility outside of hp buffs/regen but if it's so one-sided in favor of ogre shammie then I'm probably just going to skip the bullshit, role it, and suck it up through early/mid levels.

There's a lot of mechanics that have also been tweaked on Red I guess, so I can't really even begin to bring my prior EQ experience into play.

[Xer0]

Druid is far and wide better than Shaman at solo'ing. Their ability to quad kite and charm puts them leagues above the tedious root rotting that shaman do. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Going to disagree with you on all fronts. Especially the part about those who say otherwise not knowing what they're talking about. The only thing druids do better than sham is heal (they get their heal upgrades a few levels before shaman) but even that hardly matters.

I say go for sow 6 levels earlier, regen like 20 levels earlier, slows and haste.

[loramin]

You can solo on a Druid outdoors with 50 plat of gear. You can solo indoors with 400k of plat gear on a Shaman. Oh, you will NEED the epic on the Shaman also.

From 45 on shaman don't need their epic or 400k plat of gear: they only need 21k of gear. 1k is for cheap armor to give them at least some AC, and 20k is for a JBB (Jaundiced Bone Bracer), which gives them infinite mana-free damage.

A shaman with a JBB can kill anything that is root-able and doesn't have huge resists given enough time. And they can usually kill non-rootable stuff too, as long as its slow-able (unless it hits REALLY hard).

Of course it's really nice to have an epic, topor, a fungi, etc., and of course you feel more like a wizard than a shaman when all you're doing is DDing things, but if your goal is just to solo for loot or XP the JBB (and some crappy armor) is all you really need.

[Fiyero]

Going to disagree with you on all fronts. Especially the part about those who say otherwise not knowing what they're talking about. The only thing druids do better than sham is heal (they get their heal upgrades a few levels before shaman) but even that hardly matters.

I say go for sow 6 levels earlier, regen like 20 levels earlier, slows and haste.

Druid and Shaman get their heal upgrades at the same level. 19 for Healing, 29 for Greater Heal, 53 for Superior.

[tanknspank]

1-60 xp (mostly outdoors)? Druid
Indoor loot camps? Shaman

[BlkCamel]

Feels Like a good place to whore out my EVIL SHAMAN SOLO GUIDE in my signature! (MOST VIEWS on Priest Forums only a few hundred to 30k!)

[Valdarious]

Between racials I'm thinking halfie druid (forage, sneak, SoW, tracking, ports)
Personally I prefer the Wood Elf for the free Hide at level 1. It appears some don't know how to use it though judging by a comment I got in NK. Some other Wood elf druid told me I need to watch it around the tower as the werewolf saw through his hide and the guards didn't help him. I had to explain to him that he had to Con the guards until they were indif before he would know whether or not his Hide worked.

[Fiyero]

Half Elf Druid only way to go. So sick of Wood Elves and Halflings.

[Valdarious]

I like the Wood Elf look better than half elf but to each their own so apparently it is not the only way to go. Everyone has their own opinions.

[Seredoc]

Both wrong, halfling druid is best druid due to xp bonus. Your number one priority as a druid is leveling up.

Halfling levels the fastest. All other druids level slower so they can share second place.