View Full Version : Saraya - level 53 unguilded enchanter - Ninja Looter
Erati
05-05-2014, 03:00 PM
Exactly.
If it's okay for BDA to muscle in on the mob, then why is it not okay for Saraya to loot a rotting mob?
Again, no, I will not defend ninjalooting, and I think she should have left it, but BDA shouldn't have jumped in like that from the start.
getting FTE and killing one of the most heavily contested enchanter epic mobs is now called 'muscling in' lol
if this enchanter's force could have gotten there and engaged/killed VT before BDA could then BDA woulda been the ninja looters in the reverse bizarro version of this
however, at that point, BDA would not have looted the corpse and told Sarya grats on the piece :P
khanable
05-05-2014, 03:01 PM
I drive a hummer and I'll park wherever the fuck I want
Merica
Erati
05-05-2014, 03:02 PM
Well I'm not defending the ninja loot at all. That was a douche move. But isn't it just a brainless move to not have the person you are killing the mob for in your XP group to begin with? Couldn't all of this have been avoided by just doing that in the first place?
sometimes mobs die quickly and group leaders derp around
its also easy to put the enchanter in 'what you THOUGHT was the exp group' and screw that up
( sorry Joyelle, I thought my group was gonna get exp :( )
HethGnome
05-05-2014, 03:09 PM
I'm willing to bet that this is exactly what the server staff handling this situation WISHED had gone down.
Enchanter A is camping spawn but has no kill force when spawn pops.
Enchanter B is not in zone or by spawn but a kill force arrives before Enchanter A's.
Enchanter B wins by default. Instead of it being a race of two parts of Enchanter + Kill force = now we engage. This is what we got instead. I'd rather see this resolved in public by the GM's with a "In this situation, our play nice rules mean X. Please start doing it."
Enchanter B was in zone when the mob spawned. Go look at post 22. They were both there, one was there longer.
NegaStoat
05-05-2014, 03:15 PM
Enchanter B was in zone when the mob spawned. Go look at post 22. They were both there, one was there longer.
If that's the case, I stand corrected and I fail to see what was wrong with the mob being engaged as it was.
Locust
05-05-2014, 03:15 PM
Page 26 update:
Verina still first mob in 5 year p99 history BDA ever got FTE on.
versus one other person.
go bda.
be happy for us! it's a major victory
arsenalpow
05-05-2014, 03:17 PM
But wait. Didn't BDA do the same thing. They didn't have their "car" there either according to this analogy. They just put up some cones and tape.
I really think there could be some sort of compromise in these situations. Give the person who has been waiting all weekend on the spawn a chance to get help killing it before your Ench gets there. If the mob hasn't been engaged by then, then have at it. I know this will be laughed at. But it does kinda seem like the right thing to do.
Pricilia was waiting all weekend for VT too. Why is Saraya such a unique fucking snowflake that she can ninja loot a mob because she was waiting too? Both enchanters were sitting there waiting for VT to pop, she popped, we got our force there first, we killed the mob, and Saraya ninja looted the corpse the second the corpse opened by spam clicking and winning that coinflip.
Juevento
05-05-2014, 03:23 PM
I think he needs one sentence answers chest. That same crap has been reposted and these people still can't seem to comprehend the basics about the encounter.
moklianne
05-05-2014, 03:25 PM
Pricilia was waiting all weekend for VT too. Why is Saraya such a unique fucking snowflake that she can ninja loot a mob because she was waiting too? Both enchanters were sitting there waiting for VT to pop, she popped, we got our force there first, we killed the mob, and Saraya ninja looted the corpse the second the corpse opened by spam clicking and winning that coinflip.
Oh who's story to believe. Saraya claims Pricilia got there about an hour before the pop, which Saraya was there for a day or more waiting. Oh dear, it puts the whole BDA side of the story into question!
moklianne
05-05-2014, 03:27 PM
I think he needs one sentence answers chest. That same crap has been reposted and these people still can't seem to comprehend the basics about the encounter.
I think its because everyone assumes the thread moved to RnF already when it hasn't. You can't tell who is legit anymore.
khanable
05-05-2014, 03:29 PM
2legit2quit
Grubbz
05-05-2014, 03:37 PM
So devs basically ban people just on hearsay? Seems kinda weird to me that 1 guild cries over loot and someone is quickly banned without much proof.
Erati
05-05-2014, 03:41 PM
So devs basically ban people just on hearsay? Seems kinda weird to me that 1 guild cries over loot and someone is quickly banned without much proof.
hmm they have logs
can clearly see BDA getting FTE and non-BDA getting loot
which would only happen if BDA 'allowed' that to happen which wouldnt have warranted a petition in the first place, thus foul play was at hand and evidenced by the FTE on the logs
Pheer
05-05-2014, 03:45 PM
So devs basically ban people just on hearsay? Seems kinda weird to me that 1 guild cries over loot and someone is quickly banned without much proof.
they have encounter logs that show the first person to attack the mob and who looted what items
Aeaolena
05-05-2014, 03:49 PM
If it's okay for BDA to muscle in on the mob, then why is it not okay for Saraya to loot a rotting mob?
Again, no, I will not defend ninjalooting...
It wasn't rotting and it wasn't a hasty decision.
Your friend Saraya was standing on top of it spam-clicking alongside our enchanter with the intent to Ninjaloot. They had 5 minutes to think about what a piece of shit they were about to become, and what would become of their server reputation. They still chose to act like a complete scumbag and commit the worst 'crime' someone can have attached to their name on Everquest.
You forget that our enchanter got to be in Saraya's shoes multiple times before this. They saw the spawn only to loose the race on reinforcements from TMO etc arriving faster. Did Pricilia flip their shit and Ninjaloot? No. One - because that's suicide on the server, and two - because with the current server ruling on VT, all that matters is whose force gets there first - not who sits there permanently at the spawn. It's very common for two enchanters to nervously sit at the VT spawn waiting to sound the horn.
If you think the current state of ruling on how epic mobs are handled sucks (ie. "It should be locked down by who's been at the spawn longest!" vs. "Whoever gets the force for the kill first, FTE! FTE!") I would recommend taking it up in another thread addressed to the server staff. (Just prepare for all the Class-C trolls to come out of the woodwork and call you casual scum who doesn't want to 'work' for anything.)
Putting your arguments about it here, as weak justification for the shit your friend pulled, however - you're just coming across to the rest of the server that you think there is grey-area in Ninjalooting. To each their own, I guess.
Btw - Is Goofier your characters name in game? What guild are you in?
Just curious. ^_^
Goofier
05-05-2014, 03:57 PM
It wasn't rotting and it wasn't a hasty decision.
Your friend Saraya was standing on top of it spam-clicking alongside our enchanter with the intent to Ninjaloot. They had 5 minutes to think about what a piece of shit they were about to become, and what would become of their server reputation. They still chose to act like a complete scumbag and commit the worst 'crime' someone can have attached to their name on Everquest.
You forget that our enchanter got to be in Saraya's shoes multiple times before this. They saw the spawn only to loose the race on reinforcements from TMO etc arriving faster. Did Pricilia flip their shit and Ninjaloot? No. One - because that's suicide on the server, and two - because with the current server ruling on VT, all that matters is whose force gets there first - not who sits there permanently at the spawn. It's very common for two enchanters to nervously sit at the VT spawn waiting to sound the horn.
If you think the current state of ruling on how epic mobs are handled sucks (ie. "It should be locked down by who's been at the spawn longest!" vs. "Whoever gets the force for the kill first, FTE! FTE!") I would recommend taking it up in another thread addressed to the server staff. (Just prepare for all the Class-C trolls to come out of the woodwork and call you casual scum who doesn't want to 'work' for anything.)
Putting your arguments about it here, as weak justification for the shit your friend pulled, however - you're just coming across to the rest of the server that you think there is grey-area in Ninjalooting. To each their own, I guess.
Btw - Is Goofier your characters name in game? What guild are you in?
Just curious. ^_^
Wow, man, no, I specifically said I won't defend ninjalooting.
That was the worse after the bad, absolutely, no grey area there at all.
I only mentioned the looting in regard to the fact that if it's okay for BDA to take the mob away from someone that was there first, why isn't it okay for someone to loot the mob first? I don't agree with that, no, but I also don't agree with BDA coming in after Saraya had already been there waiting first.
And I'm Elcamino in game.
<Random Acts>
lecompte
05-05-2014, 04:01 PM
Less than 2 days, 270+ posts.
Thought the initial name and shame would be the end of the whole thread; boy was I wrong! I think it is cause Chest is so poplar.
xexbis0
05-05-2014, 04:01 PM
Sorry to bring rationality to the discussion here, and I'm not excusing Saraya's actions (nor do I know shim).
But I can understand how staring at a wall on a monitor for 16 hours a day and having a guild come and jack the pop before your force got there in time could drive someone to go off the deep end.
Also, I have no idea how this spawn works (if it has to spawn by day 7), but dumb decision to remain un-anon if so. You are pretty much allowing any other competing chanter to /who all Saraya to see if mob is still in window.
Glenzig
05-05-2014, 04:01 PM
I thought RMT was the worst offense you could commit in Everquest.
moklianne
05-05-2014, 04:08 PM
"Give me your name, horse-master, and I shall give you mine"
fishingme
05-05-2014, 04:14 PM
Pricilia was waiting all weekend for VT too. Why is Saraya such a unique fucking snowflake that she can ninja loot a mob because she was waiting too? Both enchanters were sitting there waiting for VT to pop, she popped, we got our force there first, we killed the mob, and Saraya ninja looted the corpse the second the corpse opened by spam clicking and winning that coinflip.
saraya was waiting for a week, not a weekend. Saraya is unique because BDA essentially was in the zone with however many alts of bda that were logged off in there, It's strictly a dick manuever, it's pretty pathetic no matter how rare the mob is, if someone is camping a mob longer than you and actually staying at camp move on. It's stupid that GMs would ban saraya because you guys didn't have your enchanter in the group and the corpse timer went to FFA, your fault and you should of been Shit outta luck. Shit ain't classic.
lecompte
05-05-2014, 04:19 PM
saraya was waiting for a week, not a weekend. Saraya is unique because BDA essentially was in the zone with however many alts of bda that were logged off in there, It's strictly a dick manuever, it's pretty pathetic no matter how rare the mob is, if someone is camping a mob longer than you and actually staying at camp move on. It's stupid that GMs would ban saraya because you guys didn't have your enchanter in the group and the corpse timer went to FFA, your fault and you should of been Shit outta luck. Shit ain't classic.
... So many things wrong with this post. Lemme try and sum it up: the BDA chanter had a guild to help them so it is bullshit that they got the kill.
To which I'll reply, in similar foolish fashion: Saraya doesn't have a guild, so doesn't need an epic.
EDIT 1: And enchanters wait MONTHS for VT sometimes, a week isn't shit.
EDIT 2: ... you're on red aren't you? Did I just get trolled? I think I just got trolled. Damn it.
tekniq
05-05-2014, 04:21 PM
Sorry to bring rationality to the discussion here, and I'm not excusing Saraya's actions (nor do I know shim).
But I can understand how staring at a wall on a monitor for 16 hours a day and having a guild come and jack the pop before your force got there in time could drive someone to go off the deep end.
Also, I have no idea how this spawn works (if it has to spawn by day 7), but dumb decision to remain un-anon if so. You are pretty much allowing any other competing chanter to /who all Saraya to see if mob is still in window.
You guys are doing it all wrong if you're staring at the monitor.. you guys need to use GAMETEXTRIGGERS.
tekniq
05-05-2014, 04:24 PM
saraya was waiting for a week, not a weekend. Saraya is unique because BDA essentially was in the zone with however many alts of bda that were logged off in there, It's strictly a dick manuever, it's pretty pathetic no matter how rare the mob is, if someone is camping a mob longer than you and actually staying at camp move on. It's stupid that GMs would ban saraya because you guys didn't have your enchanter in the group and the corpse timer went to FFA, your fault and you should of been Shit outta luck. Shit ain't classic.
Sorry I disagree with this theory. The mob shouldn't go to whoever poopsocked the longest award. TBH, half of these poopsockers are AFK. When my VD popped, 5/6 trackers were sitting idle afk for about 10 minutes.
In order to ensure you get a mob, you really got to ask some friends to leave an alt camped out near the zone so you can log in and get the kill so you don't have to wait again. If you're socking against 5 trackers and you expect by yelling in guild "VT IS UP, HAELP", odd's are against you.
Goofier
05-05-2014, 04:40 PM
Sorry I disagree with this theory. The mob shouldn't go to whoever poopsocked the longest award. TBH, half of these poopsockers are AFK. When my VD popped, 5/6 trackers were sitting idle afk for about 10 minutes.
In order to ensure you get a mob, you really got to ask some friends to leave an alt camped out near the zone so you can log in and get the kill so you don't have to wait again. If you're socking against 5 trackers and you expect by yelling in guild "VT IS UP, HAELP", odd's are against you.
If that's going to be the ruling, then fine, but personally I still follow the concept of first in line goes first and no need to be dicks about it, especially when we're talking about playing a game. Isn't the real world already full of enough of it? Heck, I just gave away Gynok's ring to the guy that ooc'd that he was up, he had no chance of taking him out.
Castigate
05-05-2014, 04:41 PM
This thread really needs to be moved to RnF and half of the posters need some sort of forum ban for trolling Server Chat into thinking that the in game rules on this are remotely grey. Fuck how many Ragefire QQ threads have there been over the years from pearl turn-ins just like the classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivNLDnetOwk ? Does the first raid force there kill Ragefire even though they didn't turn in the pearl? Fuck no because they know better. Do they Ninja the corpse as soon as it unlocks? Fuck no because they know better. Can Ragefire be duoed just like VT? Yup.
Glenzig
05-05-2014, 04:43 PM
If that's going to be the ruling, then fine, but personally I still follow the concept of first in line goes first and no need to be dicks about it, especially when we're talking about playing a game. Isn't the real world already full of enough of it? Heck, I just gave away Gynok's ring to the guy that ooc'd that he was up, he had no chance of taking him out.
No way man!!! You can't just go around letting people who aren't in one of the top 3 or 4 guilds have pixels! This isn't a game!!! This is justification for my very existence!!!!!
Grubbz
05-05-2014, 04:54 PM
Im just kinda in awe someone got banned over ninja looting. Devs on live never gave a damn, it was up the community as a whole to deal with the ninja's.
Goofier
05-05-2014, 04:54 PM
No way man!!! You can't just go around letting people who aren't in one of the top 3 or 4 guilds have pixels! This isn't a game!!! This is justification for my very existence!!!!!
Yeah, I know, I get berated for it all the time :)
captnamazing
05-05-2014, 04:56 PM
Im just kinda in awe someone got banned over ninja looting. Devs on live never gave a damn, it was up the community as a whole to deal with the ninja's.
Ya I think a ban is a bit severe. I think that's the point of the thread, in the case Saraya is not banned - THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
fishingme
05-05-2014, 04:59 PM
Sorry I disagree with this theory. The mob shouldn't go to whoever poopsocked the longest award. TBH, half of these poopsockers are AFK. When my VD popped, 5/6 trackers were sitting idle afk for about 10 minutes.
In order to ensure you get a mob, you really got to ask some friends to leave an alt camped out near the zone so you can log in and get the kill so you don't have to wait again. If you're socking against 5 trackers and you expect by yelling in guild "VT IS UP, HAELP", odd's are against you.
It's not a poopsock, it was camping. So what if the enchanter who was camping the mob had his/her force enroute and not there currently. Not everyone is friends with people who have a bazillion high level alts, you can't expect someone to camp their main that they play in one spot for a week. Sorry, but this shit ain't classic.
Cecily
05-05-2014, 05:00 PM
Sara shouldnt be banned. Anthrax wasn't. Suspended? Absolutely.
fishingme
05-05-2014, 05:05 PM
... So many things wrong with this post. Lemme try and sum it up: the BDA chanter had a guild to help them so it is bullshit that they got the kill.
To which I'll reply, in similar foolish fashion: Saraya doesn't have a guild, so doesn't need an epic.
EDIT 1: And enchanters wait MONTHS for VT sometimes, a week isn't shit.
EDIT 2: ... you're on red aren't you? Did I just get trolled? I think I just got trolled. Damn it.
Your summary of my post is faulty, idgaf who has a guild or not. The unguilded enchanter was camping a non-raid mob longer than the bda enchanter, the problem here is that the unguilded enchanter's group of friends were enroute, while bda enchanter's w/e force started attacking the mob. But why was the enchanter not even grouped? It's purely a dick move that this situation happened. I waited less than 8 hours for the spawn on my enchanter, Can only imagine the guild flaring chat that was going on when whomever in BDA announced that the mob spawned. If i had known i would of logged onto my cleric that's guilded with them.
Castigate
05-05-2014, 05:10 PM
It's not a poopsock, it was camping. So what if the enchanter who was camping the mob had his/her force enroute and not there currently. Not everyone is friends with people who have a bazillion high level alts, you can't expect someone to camp their main that they play in one spot for a week. Sorry, but this shit ain't classic.
To be honest on live, when I spent an entire week camping Varithyx in FM, if someone had just come up and beaten me to the FTE/out DPSed me on the kill, I might have gone completely off the deep end right then and there. Still wouldn't have excused me if I broke a rule, and in the end I soloed Varithyx, and needed no assistance with the fight, so it really isn't the same thing.
Sadre Spinegnawer
05-05-2014, 05:24 PM
Just get VoG. Then wait 5 years to get what should have been the epic, the Serpent of Vindication.
captnamazing
05-05-2014, 05:29 PM
Sara shouldnt be banned. Anthrax wasn't. Suspended? Absolutely.
and plz move this thread to dead/rnf
arsenalpow
05-05-2014, 05:34 PM
Sara shouldnt be banned. Anthrax wasn't. Suspended? Absolutely.
pretty huge difference between anthrax's situation and this one, there literally was 10 seconds left on that item and someone had said it was rotting. It didn't come from Zeelot's mouth though which is why he had to eat the suspension.
Grubbz
05-05-2014, 05:42 PM
Glad i read this topic before i started actually playing p99 today, now i know not to loot anything someone else killed.
Duckwalk
05-05-2014, 05:54 PM
BDA campaigns for server fairness and equality after getting steamrolled by TMO (or basically anyone else) who continually out mobilze them and FTE raid targets.
BDA steamrolls unguilded chanter.
BDA cares
Juevento
05-05-2014, 05:56 PM
We really don't though and haven't for 25 pages of this thread.
Man0warr
05-05-2014, 05:56 PM
It's not a poopsock, it was camping. So what if the enchanter who was camping the mob had his/her force enroute and not there currently. Not everyone is friends with people who have a bazillion high level alts, you can't expect someone to camp their main that they play in one spot for a week. Sorry, but this shit ain't classic.
The BDA ench had no one in zone camped out for her - she called it out in guildchat and anyone available mobilized from EC or ported to Nektulos to help.
Verina and Vessel are pretty much races to mobilize after they pop, and whoever gets a force there fastest and is FTE wins.
End of story - it doesn't matter how long someone is there waiting for it to pop. If you REALLY want to make sure you get the kill after camping Verina/Vessel, you better have your force there with you waiting.
arsenalpow
05-05-2014, 05:59 PM
Manowarr watched Snackies kill Vessel RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM and he was there first! ANARCHY!!
Wrench
05-05-2014, 06:02 PM
under what wacky scenario can ninja looting be justified
pretty huge difference between anthrax's situation and this one, there literally was 10 seconds left on that item and someone had said it was rotting
some of these threads you can just wait long enough and chest will answer his own rhetoricals
Man0warr
05-05-2014, 06:05 PM
some of these threads you can just wait long enough and chest will answer his own rhetoricals
He didn't say Anthrax didn't deserve to be punished.
some of these threads you can just wait long enough and chest will answer his own rhetoricals
Really cute the way you snip Chest's post to make it say something completely different. Quite the toolbag move there.
pretty huge difference between anthrax's situation and this one, there literally was 10 seconds left on that item and someone had said it was rotting. It didn't come from Zeelot's mouth though which is why he had to eat the suspension.
Pricila
05-05-2014, 06:11 PM
Your summary of my post is faulty, idgaf who has a guild or not. The unguilded enchanter was camping a non-raid mob longer than the bda enchanter, the problem here is that the unguilded enchanter's group of friends were enroute, while bda enchanter's w/e force started attacking the mob. But why was the enchanter not even grouped? It's purely a dick move that this situation happened. I waited less than 8 hours for the spawn on my enchanter, Can only imagine the guild flaring chat that was going on when whomever in BDA announced that the mob spawned. If i had known i would of logged onto my cleric that's guilded with them.
This isnt about one being guilded and one isnt. I did spend quite some time camping both vessle and verina and still have lost races because i wasnt able to engage 1st. By your logic you cant camp a 3 to 7 days epic spawn without being either on holiday or being workless and being on serious drugs. She was there an could have engaged herself but then she simply would have died because she didnt had a force there fast enogh.
The "camping" part of Verina is to notice she pops up. It has nothing to do with spending one second or 7 day in the Zone.
Our force engaged first. If Saraya had some friends that were willing to spend all that time she invested with her it would be her piece and i simply would have waited for my next chance. Do you think she is the only one that spend lots of time on her epic quest?
You can spend all your time arguing why i werent in the killgroup or whatever.
Does any of that defends in any way what she did? She had a few minutes after the kill to think things over an consider the consequenses. She was fully aware that i were standing next to the corpse and she chose the most stupid option.
She is paying for it by being baned.
Does that make me happy? No it dosent.
Id rather just would have looted the piece and be happy that I compleated one of the harder pieces for my epic with the help of my guild and my friends.
cu
Prici
Cecily
05-05-2014, 06:43 PM
pretty huge difference between anthrax's situation and this one, there literally was 10 seconds left on that item and someone had said it was rotting. It didn't come from Zeelot's mouth though which is why he had to eat the suspension.
Well there was only like 5 mins and 45 seconds on left on Verina. What is the BDA policy regarding corpse timers and acceptable ninja looting?
Glenzig
05-05-2014, 07:13 PM
pretty huge difference between anthrax's situation and this one, there literally was 10 seconds left on that item and someone had said it was rotting. It didn't come from Zeelot's mouth though which is why he had to eat the suspension.
According to what I've read so far on this thread, if they decided to let it rot it would have been well within their rights to do so. Whether there were 10 seconds til rot, or loot just opened up really doesn't matter. A ninja loot is a ninja loot.
Joyelle
05-05-2014, 07:19 PM
sometimes mobs die quickly and group leaders derp around
its also easy to put the enchanter in 'what you THOUGHT was the exp group' and screw that up
( sorry Joyelle, I thought my group was gonna get exp :( )
yeh good thing there was no ninjalooting enchanter around when that happened
Sadad
05-05-2014, 07:55 PM
Well there was only like 5 mins and 45 seconds on left on Verina. What is the BDA policy regarding corpse timers and acceptable ninja looting?
Verina has a 30-minute corpse timer, so go be bitchy somewhere else.
Dizey
05-06-2014, 12:33 AM
I can't believe this thread has 31 pages. Either massive trolling, or lots of people with 2 pennies and 0 clues.
Cecily
05-06-2014, 12:47 AM
I can't believe this thread has 31 pages. Either massive trolling, or lots of people with 2 pennies and 0 clues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYoyvW3J9Q
patrick210
05-06-2014, 12:52 AM
I got FTE on Verina once after zoning in way after she popped, A-team tried to peel off me and stole the kill. Got the chanter banned. Think item was removed as far as I know.
jaybone
05-06-2014, 01:17 AM
If the chanter was banned why the fuck was there even a thread made?
Erydan Ouragan
05-06-2014, 04:34 AM
Saraya camping for 2 minutes or 2 days is irrelevent. Chest not responding to private messages or tells in-game is irrelevent. Saraya having the force en route is irrelevent. Prisila not being in the kill group is irrelevent. Everything is irrelevent except this:
1: VT is a FFA mob, first come, first served.
2: BDA mobilized and engaged first.
3: BDA kills VT, all loot no-drop or tradeable is the propriety of BDA and they do whatever they want with it.
4: They decide to award it to Prisila.
5: Saraya spam-clicks a corpse containing the item that was decided by the owners of the corpse to be awarded to Prisila, loots it and gets banned.
This is text-book ninja looting. You can argue all you want about BDA being assholes or Chest being a douche, that's all opinions and emotional reasoning. Points 1 to 5 cannot be argued and that's what happened.
Erydan Ouragan <Random Acts>
Zalora
05-06-2014, 05:48 AM
Saraya camping for 2 minutes or 2 days is irrelevent. Chest not responding to private messages or tells in-game is irrelevent. Saraya having the force en route is irrelevent. Prisila not being in the kill group is irrelevent. Everything is irrelevent except this:
1: VT is a FFA mob, first come, first served.
2: BDA mobilized and engaged first.
3: BDA kills VT, all loot no-drop or tradeable is the propriety of BDA and they do whatever they want with it.
4: They decide to award it to Prisila.
5: Saraya spam-clicks a corpse containing the item that was decided by the owners of the corpse to be awarded to Prisila, loots it and gets banned.
This is text-book ninja looting. You can argue all you want about BDA being assholes or Chest being a douche, that's all opinions and emotional reasoning. Points 1 to 5 cannot be argued and that's what happened.
Erydan Ouragan <Random Acts>
Where does it say that ninja looting entails taking an item after looting rights from the corpse goes public? That sounds like whoever killed the mob is allowing the item to rot.
arsenalpow
05-06-2014, 06:41 AM
ENTRAPMENT
Garmr
05-06-2014, 08:53 AM
Where does it say that ninja looting entails taking an item after looting rights from the corpse goes public? That sounds like whoever killed the mob is allowing the item to rot.
You're new to this aren't you.
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 09:15 AM
The item should of been looted long before the corpse went public, sounds like the people who got robbed are a bunch of baddies. If an item is this important to cry over it should of been looted right away and before you say "the enchanter wasn't in the group" that's not Saraya's fault, that's the fault of who ever made the group in first place.
I still cannot believe that someone got banned over this, You guys rely on gm enforcement way to much, to be honest i don't see any of these people lasting long back in the real "1999" era of EQ.
Rourk
05-06-2014, 09:20 AM
You're right, it's Saraya's fault for ninja looting an epic piece she had no part in killing the mob for.
Don't be so bad
40 pages c'monnn
tekniq
05-06-2014, 09:32 AM
In THEORY: Saraya was Wrong,
TECHNICALLY SPEAKING: she didn't do anything wrong.
whichever side you feel an affinity to, goes your opinion.
Shamalam
05-06-2014, 09:49 AM
Stealing is bad, mmmkay
Confit
05-06-2014, 10:09 AM
There's only two ways to ninja loot something:
1. Being in the group that got the exp and looting it before others in said group.
and
2. Waiting for the corpse to go public and looting it before all others can.
The item belongs to whoever got the exp unless it was blatant kill stealing i.e. two able parties are there and the party that did not get FTE gets the exp. In my opinion, unless a group of able bodied people were all there camping it together, the mob goes to whoever is able to mobilize and get the kill first.
Tecmos Deception
05-06-2014, 10:59 AM
TECHNICALLY SPEAKING: she didn't do anything wrong.
I know I've read staff saying that looting items off a corpse that doesn't belong to you is ninja looting. And they've enforced it many times in raid situations, I'm rather certain.
arsenalpow
05-06-2014, 11:02 AM
It's definitely against the rules and Saraya was punished accordingly. I'd post Derub's petition responses if it were allowed.
Tecmos Deception
05-06-2014, 11:08 AM
Surprised that so few people (and not just random noobs, but people who have been around forever and are in the bigger guilds) know the rules here on ninjaing.
TotallyLegit
05-06-2014, 11:09 AM
some of these threads you can just wait long enough and chest will answer his own rhetoricals
+1
Raavak
05-06-2014, 11:15 AM
already petitioned, this is just extra curricular
Public service announcement.
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 11:36 AM
Surprised that so few people (and not just random noobs, but people who have been around forever and are in the bigger guilds) know the rules here on ninjaing.
That is the problem tho, P99 has a different rule set then everquest had in 1999.
Shits not classic.
Erydan Ouragan
05-06-2014, 11:36 AM
Where does it say that ninja looting entails taking an item after looting rights from the corpse goes public? That sounds like whoever killed the mob is allowing the item to rot.
Yeah except it never went public: the items on the corpse belonged to BDA until the corpse disapeared.
If after the kill BDA simply ported out of Neriak, leaving it there abandoned, then yes in that case it would have been fine to loot.
But they were all standing there, around it, and Saraya happened to be the one getting it .01s after it unlocked by spam clicking.
The fact that you can't clearly see it's ninja-looting is mind-boggling.
jaybone
05-06-2014, 11:39 AM
Would Pricila get banned since she wasn't in the group that killed it. Sounds like ninja looting to me.
Lagaidh
05-06-2014, 11:41 AM
This thread really blew the dismount.
Laugher
05-06-2014, 11:48 AM
So you looted somethign you did not kill because someone else got a force there to kill the mob before you? Sorry but your wrong here. Just because you "have a force coming" doesnt mean others have to wait for you to attempt.
/thread
how did this make 30 pages :p
if you've played this game for 1+ years or have had a long history with it how is it this even up for debate lol
on Prexus an old guildie did this to our guild and was blacklisted by almost all other guilds for months after being stripped of the loot and unguilded
khanable
05-06-2014, 11:50 AM
That is the problem tho, P99 has a different rule set then everquest had in 1999.
Shits not classic.
Uhm ninja looting was definitely a suspendable offense on live
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 11:51 AM
/thread
how did this make 30 pages :p
if you've played this game for 1+ years or have had a long history with it how is it this even up for debate lol
on Prexus an old guildie did this to our guild and was blacklisted by almost all other guilds for months after being stripped of the loot and unguilded
This is exactly the point tho, GMs NEVER EVER BANNED FOR NINJA LOOTING. They may have remove the item from the ninja looter and give it to the rightful owner but THEY NEVER GOT BANNED FOR IT. Now if u did ninja loot, no guild on live would ever touch you again atleast the reputable ones.
Edit: Huge difference between a suspension and a ban, pretty sure the ninja on p99 got banned.
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 11:52 AM
There is a difference between a suspension and a ban.
Laugher
05-06-2014, 11:53 AM
This is exactly the point tho, GMs NEVER EVER BANNED FOR NINJA LOOTING. They may remove the item from the ninja looter and give it to who was suppose to get the item but THEY NEVER GOT BANNED FOR IT. Now if u did ninja loot, no guild on live would ever touch you again atleast the reputable ones.
Yeah but this isn't live, the point of my post is that the punishment existed. The degree of punishment might be different, but nonetheless it existed.
Why argue something you shouldn't have done in the first place?
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 11:57 AM
Yeah but this isn't live, the point of my post is that the punishment existed. The degree of punishment might be different, but nonetheless it existed.
Why argue something you shouldn't have done in the first place?
The same could be said as to why BDA diden't have there enchanter in the group when the kill happened. technically neither of the enchanters were in the group that got the kill, so why does this even matter? BDA lost an item to an unguilded person and they got pissed, GMs over reacted and instantly banned.
khanable
05-06-2014, 12:00 PM
too many morally bankrupt players
time to wipe it clean
#p99purple2014
Scikala
05-06-2014, 12:02 PM
too many morally bankrupt players
time to wipe it clean
#p99purple2014
Or just stick to red, AMIRITE?..
Yea I'm not, but time to sidetrack this runaway train.
Locust
05-06-2014, 12:07 PM
The same could be said as to why BDA diden't have there enchanter in the group when the kill happened. technically neither of the enchanters were in the group that got the kill, so why does this even matter? BDA lost an item to an unguilded person and they got pissed, GMs over reacted and instantly banned.
will someone cut this guys mic please? thanks
moklianne
05-06-2014, 12:15 PM
too many morally bankrupt players
time to wipe it clean
#p99purple2014
Yeah, too many people on blue now. Red is looking appetizing to me actually now.
Glenzig
05-06-2014, 12:26 PM
Yeah, too many people on blue now. Red is looking appetizing to me actually now.
Time for a new blue server. Nontransferable.
khanable
05-06-2014, 12:26 PM
Yeah, too many people on blue now. Red is looking appetizing to me actually now.
Red is fun
I recommend it
Red is fun
I recommend it
gobble gobble?
Laugher
05-06-2014, 12:28 PM
Red is fun
I recommend it
moklianne
05-06-2014, 12:29 PM
Time for a new blue server. Nontransferable.
Yup yup. Otherwise, Velious needs to go live, like a month ago.
Scikala
05-06-2014, 12:31 PM
Awww yeah the derail has begun.
Rourk
05-06-2014, 12:38 PM
will someone cut this guys mic please? thanks
Get this back on track - leave the mic on. More fun watching the desperate grasp at straws.
40 pages!!
jaybone
05-06-2014, 12:40 PM
Random unguilded enchanter just ninja looted a VT kill. Beware of this scumbag.
[Sat May 03 10:58:51 2014] Targeted (NPC): Verina Tomb
[Sat May 03 10:59:04 2014] You crush Verina Tomb for 69 points of damage. (FTE)
[Sat May 03 11:03:19 2014] Verina Tomb has been slain by Mordhot!
[Sat May 03 11:03:19 2014] You gain party experience!!
[Sat May 03 11:03:19 2014] Verina Tomb says 'Hatred is the Universal Truth.'
[Sat May 03 11:06:22 2014] Targeted (Player): Saraya
She was hovering over the corpse, the second it opened she looted and /q'd
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lif8omojMr1qebhzho1_400.jpg
moklianne
05-06-2014, 12:43 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lif8omojMr1qebhzho1_400.jpg
Disney princesses offend me. That image is hate speech to me! Mods! Mods!
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 12:44 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lif8omojMr1qebhzho1_400.jpg
He mad as fuck bro
Rourk
05-06-2014, 12:52 PM
Same image in multiple threads? Lazy.
jaybone
05-06-2014, 01:09 PM
Same image in multiple threads? Lazy.
http://www.troll.me/images/bush/nice-try-you-faggot.jpg
Dragonsblood1987
05-06-2014, 01:14 PM
Yup yup. Otherwise, Velious needs to go live, like a month ago.
dont worry, its expected to arrive sometime around christmas 2013.
lecompte
05-06-2014, 01:16 PM
Ship to RnF?!
Zalora
05-06-2014, 03:55 PM
Yeah except it never went public: the items on the corpse belonged to BDA until the corpse disapeared.
If after the kill BDA simply ported out of Neriak, leaving it there abandoned, then yes in that case it would have been fine to loot.
But they were all standing there, around it, and Saraya happened to be the one getting it .01s after it unlocked by spam clicking.
The fact that you can't clearly see it's ninja-looting is mind-boggling.
If the item is rotting until the item is lootable by the public, then it's public. That's how it was in Live and that's why the corpse timer system was implemented. Unless there's some sort of arbitrary server social rule I don't know about and isn't stated on the rules page.
Grubbz
05-06-2014, 03:57 PM
If the item is rotting until the item is lootable by the public, then it's public. That's how it was in Live and that's why the corpse timer system was implemented. Unless there's some sort of arbitrary server social rule I don't know about and isn't stated on the rules page.
I was 14 when i started playing eq in 1999, im pretty sure i ninja looted quite a few items, never got banned or suspended ever, the community however did take notice and pretty much blacklisted me.
khanable
05-06-2014, 04:01 PM
If the item is rotting until the item is lootable by the public, then it's public. That's how it was in Live and that's why the corpse timer system was implemented. Unless there's some sort of arbitrary server social rule I don't know about and isn't stated on the rules page.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489619&postcount=1
Whirled
05-06-2014, 04:07 PM
I was told to come here and write inb4 40pages.
Carry on....
jaybone
05-06-2014, 04:08 PM
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489619&postcount=1
http://www.somegif.com/gifs/1363863597925139587.GIF
36 pages for a dumbass to finally post that.
Scikala
05-06-2014, 04:11 PM
http://www.somegif.com/gifs/1363863597925139587.GIF
36 pages for a dumbass to finally post that.
Posted on page 17 by Castigate you dumbfuck.
why hasn't a GM removed this thread? I thought they have never publicly named and shamed, or else we would have a list of 600+ Rmters/cheaters?
Thulack
05-06-2014, 04:52 PM
why hasn't a GM removed this thread? I thought they have never publicly named and shamed, or else we would have a list of 600+ Rmters/cheaters?
GM's dont but players name/shame
Haynar
05-06-2014, 05:21 PM
If the item is rotting until the item is lootable by the public, then it's public. That's how it was in Live and that's why the corpse timer system was implemented. Unless there's some sort of arbitrary server social rule I don't know about and isn't stated on the rules page.
Total BS and you know it.
If not your kill, and killer chooses to let it rot, then it rots.
This isn't EQlive.
And for each person that thinks its ok to ninja loot, knock urself out. I hope they ban all your accounts.
Haynar
05-06-2014, 05:28 PM
If the item is rotting until the item is lootable by the public, then it's public. That's how it was in Live and that's why the corpse timer system was implemented. Unless there's some sort of arbitrary server social rule I don't know about and isn't stated on the rules page.
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
Blade
05-06-2014, 05:30 PM
/Haynar'd
deadlycupcakez
05-06-2014, 05:31 PM
then why dont you develop something that removes corpses from opening up to anyone on server....
Haynar
05-06-2014, 05:34 PM
then why dont you develop something that removes corpses from opening up to anyone on server....
There is already something like that. Its called Shards of Dalaya. Tell them Haynar said hi when you get there.
Troll.
H
deadlycupcakez
05-06-2014, 05:37 PM
There is already something like that. Its called Shards of Dalaya. Tell them Haynar said hi when you get there.
Troll.
H
lol so what reasoning do you have for corpse timers opening up to anyone on the server even existing? "shits classic"?
lecompte
05-06-2014, 05:37 PM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
Wow... Your memory Haynar. Eidetic?
Shannacore
05-06-2014, 05:40 PM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
Haha, owned.
Man0warr
05-06-2014, 06:19 PM
lol so what reasoning do you have for corpse timers opening up to anyone on the server even existing? "shits classic"?
Exactly the reason.
Only Classic EQ can produce a 37 page thread about ninja looting for me to enjoy at work.
skorge
05-06-2014, 06:22 PM
There is already something like that. Its called Shards of Dalaya. Tell them Haynar said hi when you get there.
Troll.
H
Good ol' Shards of Dalaya, i miss it! Haven't played there since 2008, lol. I'm pretty sure it's probably a ghost town now
Gadwen
05-06-2014, 06:23 PM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
Owned.
I lol'd
Aeaolena
05-06-2014, 06:25 PM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
bahaha
Kekephee
05-06-2014, 06:33 PM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
http://i.imgur.com/TxXoMRC.jpg
Rourk
05-06-2014, 07:31 PM
That was great.
Keep it up, close to 40! Let the dumb questions continueeee
Locust
05-06-2014, 08:01 PM
then why dont you develop something that removes corpses from opening up to anyone on server....
this would make raiding a ton of fun
Zadrian
05-06-2014, 08:26 PM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
Place foot firmly into mouth!
moklianne
05-06-2014, 08:37 PM
this would make raiding a ton of fun
Raid window essentially fixed this in Luclin or PoP, can't remember.
fastboy21
05-06-2014, 08:41 PM
Haha
then why dont you develop something that removes corpses from opening up to anyone on server....
Or how about we do this thing where the community agrees on a reasonable rule that they all follow?
Ahldagor
05-06-2014, 09:09 PM
Or how about we do this thing where the community agrees on a reasonable rule that they all follow?
that would require compromise which is unacceptable for it is a loss even though the gm-s encourage it.
By the way, GMs did enforce a Ninja loot rule back on live. I remember a RL friend's son getting access to her account and Ninja looting. She came back from a guild meet over here to a suspended account and a ruined rep.
Kekephee
05-06-2014, 09:50 PM
By the way, GMs did enforce a Ninja loot rule back on live. I remember a RL friend's son getting access to her account and Ninja looting. She came back from a guild meet over here to a suspended account and a ruined rep.
That kid was grounded as FUCK
That kid was grounded as FUCK
Well I never seen him play EQ on his own account again that's for sure lol.
mipstien
05-09-2014, 10:33 AM
but page 40 is so close!
Duckwalk
05-09-2014, 11:25 AM
Where's Ryantwin20 when you need him?
Zalora
05-10-2014, 01:57 AM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
Because I play primarily on Live now. 2 years of Kunark is too much. The post you're referencing is from last year.
Joyelle
05-10-2014, 10:10 AM
Except Live now is completely a different animal than it was during Kunark. CS and policies have changed quite a bit from the days when Verant ran the franchise.
Kekephee
05-10-2014, 10:49 AM
Isn't shit instanced on live now? Wouldn't it be pretty much impossible for some random to come and ninja loot a guild's drop?
Nilasbik
05-10-2014, 11:08 AM
Some group content is still FFA. There is instanced group and raid content.
Kekephee
05-10-2014, 11:22 AM
Never mind
At any rate, yeah, EQ different now. I highly doubt the developers were like "you know what's a dynamic we really want to have more of in this game? Ninja looting."
Rupertox
05-10-2014, 11:25 AM
If your first experience is playing here, how would you have a clue what eqlive was like?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=930441#post930441
rofl
Xerxez
05-10-2014, 01:25 PM
Page 40 yet?
Pheer
05-10-2014, 01:42 PM
nope
i mean yep
stonez138
05-10-2014, 03:13 PM
Because I play primarily on Live now. 2 years of Kunark is too much. The post you're referencing is from last year.
It's not even the same game any more.Not even close.
Zalora
05-10-2014, 11:14 PM
It's not even the same game any more.Not even close.
There have been a lot of changes, but one thing that's never changed is loot being free to the public once private looting rights expire. The concept that something is considered "ninja looting" if someone outside of a group ever loots something is not classic and a custom rule only on this server.
Thats complete garbage. Tell the truth, you're just trolling now. I still play on live and you do not go up to a groups corpses and start looting them all at their feet in front of them
arsenalpow
05-10-2014, 11:19 PM
I hate this thread now
Zalora
05-10-2014, 11:32 PM
Thats complete garbage. Tell the truth, you're just trolling now. I still play on live and you do not go up to a groups corpses and start looting them all at their feet in front of them
If its freed up then yes, you can.
Joyelle
05-10-2014, 11:35 PM
There have been a lot of changes, but one thing that's never changed is loot being free to the public once private looting rights expire. The concept that something is considered "ninja looting" if someone outside of a group ever loots something is not classic and a custom rule only on this server.
Please don't pretend to know what's "classic" if you don't have any knowledge of it. It is not only a rule on this server, it's a standing social rule from the old days of original EQ (which I and many others here actually did play during that period of time).
Zalora
05-10-2014, 11:40 PM
Please don't pretend to know what's "classic" if you don't have any knowledge of it. It is not only a rule on this server, it's a standing social rule from the old days of original EQ (which I and many others here actually did play during that period of time).
I'm talking about official rules, not subjective social etiquettes that you may or may not have felt during your own personal experiences.
I'm talking about official rules, not subjective social etiquettes that you may or may not have felt during your own personal experiences.
It WAS an official rule. People ate suspensions for it. I don't know if that's still the case now or if they just stopped caring on live like they did with a lot of things, people do that on live now and it's still ninja looting, someone complains that you looted a rare drop before they had time to kill everything in camp and a GM WILL speak to you about it eventually and make no mistake, people WILL hate you for it.
littlebobby3
05-10-2014, 11:47 PM
Here's a fun few questions.
Is the person banned?
Did they get in trouble for doing this "ninja looting"?
If they did then why are y'all still wasting internet?
If they didn't then keep on whining, if I killed a mob and forgot to loot it for what 4 mins and someone runs by and takes the stuff I'd send a tell and ask if it can be returned.
would I be pissed? heck yeah.
would I petition? No cuz it's my own fault for not looting it.
The fact a major guild whines about it is kinda annoying, how many more alts or ppl need their epic in a major guild? And not to mention velious is still a ways away so just recamp the mob and get over it?
stonez138
05-10-2014, 11:54 PM
On my server (Luclin) the earliest usage of the term "ninja looting" I ever saw actually refered to someone in the group that kept looting while mobs were being engaged instead of waiting untill the battle was over. Am I the only one that remembers it being used in that context?
Zalora
05-10-2014, 11:55 PM
It WAS an official rule. People ate suspensions for it. I don't know if that's still the case now or if they just stopped caring on live like they did with a lot of things, people do that on live now and it's still ninja looting, someone complains that you looted a rare drop before they had time to kill everything in camp and a GM WILL speak to you about it eventually and make no mistake, people WILL hate you for it.
None of your claims are true. The system was created specifically to be opened to the public. No one got banned for utilizing the system. Nor would that even make sense.
None of your claims are true. The system was created specifically to be opened to the public. No one got banned for utilizing the system. Nor would that even make sense.
You already stated you never played classic. Go buy a clue. A RL friend got suspended for her son doing it on her accnt. You didn't read my earlier post. But sure don't take my word, take the 500 other people on the server that will tell you, you're wrong.
It was put in so if someone didn't WANT the loot someone else could take if they'd left the body or in the example of raid encounters or encounters where more than one group was needed then whoever got the item could loot it. Not so someone could come and sit on a corpse to constantly spam it until it unlocks before the correct person can get to it. Fool.
Joyelle
05-11-2014, 12:10 AM
Actually there was an official rule about it. Had you actually played live during Kunark and Velious you would have known about the Play Nice Policy. Please pay particular attention to item #2 under the "1.1 Play Nice Policies - Activity within Everquest" heading:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020605053045/http://eqlive.station.sony.com/support/customer_service/cs_rules_of_conduct.jsp
Grimfan
05-11-2014, 12:20 AM
Actually there was an official rule about it. Had you actually played live during Kunark and Velious you would have known about the Play Nice Policy. Please pay particular attention to item #2 under the "1.1 Play Nice Policies - Activity within Everquest" heading:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020605053045/http://eqlive.station.sony.com/support/customer_service/cs_rules_of_conduct.jsp
Just wondering, do you have a PNP for earlier than 2002? 2002 was Planes of Power era and thus not classic.
Joyelle
05-11-2014, 12:22 AM
I don't, I couldn't get an archive for everquest.com, only eqlive.com.
Zalora
05-11-2014, 12:23 AM
You already stated you never played classic. Go buy a clue. A RL friend got suspended for her son doing it on her accnt. You didn't read my earlier post. But sure don't take my word, take the 500 other people on the server that will tell you, you're wrong.
Sorry, but a forum troll has a lot less credibility than the rules on Live and the testimonies of everyone I've spoken with on Live. Your taunting doesn't impress me.
"Ninja looting" is when an item is taken before another rightful looter has the opportunity to procure it. If you let looting rights expire, it is up for grabs. It has nothing to do with any sort of permanent property rights. You don't even know what ninja looting is.
Grimfan
05-11-2014, 12:27 AM
I don't, I couldn't get an archive for everquest.com, only eqlive.com.
Doing a little goggle fu, it appears that this is an early Verant PNP. http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Angelque/rules1.html
I don't see anything about ninja looting, but obviously ninjaing is probably just as scummy as most of the acts on the list.
Joyelle
05-11-2014, 12:43 AM
from the PnP:
"Ninjalooting is defined as taking special equipment from a fallen creature without the express permission of those who killed the creature if they are in attendance.
The purpose of this rule is to stop those who stand near creatures that carry special items and attempt loot that equipment prior to it being looted by the rightful owner."
Not sure of the exact date this was added to the PnP but it most definitely was in there and was being enforced at least as far back as 2002.
Grimfan
05-11-2014, 12:48 AM
from the PnP:
"Ninjalooting is defined as taking special equipment from a fallen creature without the express permission of those who killed the creature if they are in attendance.
The purpose of this rule is to stop those who stand near creatures that carry special items and attempt loot that equipment prior to it being looted by the rightful owner."
Not sure of the exact date this was added to the PnP but it most definitely was in there and was being enforced at least as far back as 2002.
Right, 2002 is Planes of Power Era, I showed you the first PNP Policy from 2000 which does not include Ninjalooting. Sorry I thought I was clear on that one. 2000 is where we currently are in the timeline I believe.
https://help.soe.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/16215/kw/ninja/session/L3RpbWUvMTM5OTc4MzM4Ni9zaWQvd3J6VCpZVGw%3D
That's the reimbursement policy on live although it refers to raid encounters. They do take action against ninja looters and they still would if it was in the case of an epic mob or such. 10.2.1
anyway, I'm out now. I've used up all my free internets and this is a waste of my time now :-P
Joyelle
05-11-2014, 12:53 AM
Right, 2002 is Planes of Power Era, I showed you the first PNP Policy from 2000 which does not include Ninjalooting. Sorry I thought I was clear on that one. 2000 is where we currently are in the timeline I believe.
Sorry I wasn't quoting that as a response to your post. I understand full well what you were saying and I'm not disagreeing with you about it.
I was quoting that policy in response to this:
"Ninja looting" is when an item is taken before another rightful looter has the opportunity to procure it. If you let looting rights expire, it is up for grabs. It has nothing to do with any sort of permanent property rights. You don't even know what ninja looting is.
Also as a fun side-note (before someone tries to bring it up as a justification for incivility on p99), it seems that Sony has removed the ninja-looting clause from the most recent version of the PnP. I guess they got tired of dealing with stealing shitbags.
Grimfan
05-11-2014, 12:56 AM
https://help.soe.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/16215/kw/ninja/session/L3RpbWUvMTM5OTc4MzM4Ni9zaWQvd3J6VCpZVGw%3D
That's the reimbursement policy on live. They do take action against ninja looters and they still would if it was in the case of an epic mob or such. 10.2.1
So I really want to say this to everyone that is complaining about ninja looters being punished as classic or not classic or whatever, just hear me out on this one.
CSR is not something you want to be a classic experience. The guide program evolved over time for a really good reason. I was a guide for a shitload of time, and I saw a lot of stuff go down that I am not sure would even be fair to touch on, but you do not want the CSR team of this server to be like the CSR team of old. You do not want a bunch of really stupid people handling things by arbitrary rules that had no meaning yet. You do NOT want the wild west, trust me.
So stop calling classic on guide rulings, or guide actions, and just forget about it. There should be nothing classic about the guide system because the old guide system was absolute shit. That's why it went through a revamp sometime in 2002 and they recycled a bunch of guides and asked them to put re-apply. Today you have a petition forum, a ton of great ways to get in touch with GM's, and a great guide staff. Back in the day you'd be lucky to have a guide help you out the way they do today.
So just be glad that this element of the server is not classic, it's so much better the way it is right now.
Joyelle
05-11-2014, 01:02 AM
In any case, it doesn't matter when it became an official rule on live, it's still a rule on p99 and that should be what matters here.
Rourk
05-11-2014, 02:47 AM
what won't people argue about? this is fantastic.
fadetree
05-11-2014, 01:29 PM
No its not!
No its not!
now you're just being contradictory
Zalora
05-11-2014, 04:22 PM
https://help.soe.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/16215/kw/ninja/session/L3RpbWUvMTM5OTc4MzM4Ni9zaWQvd3J6VCpZVGw%3D
That's the reimbursement policy on live although it refers to raid encounters. They do take action against ninja looters and they still would if it was in the case of an epic mob or such. 10.2.1
anyway, I'm out now. I've used up all my free internets and this is a waste of my time now :-P
Items freed up to the public is not a topic of ninja looting. Ninja looting is when a person procures an item before others in the group or raid who have rights to it have the opportunity to receive it. That's why they call it ninja looting. Regardless, there were no rules against ninja looting in classic EQ.
Uuruk
05-11-2014, 04:37 PM
In any case, it doesn't matter when it became an official rule on live, it's still a rule on p99 and that should be what matters here.
Not classic
stonez138
05-11-2014, 04:58 PM
Items freed up to the public is not a topic of ninja looting. Ninja looting is when a person procures an item before others in the group or raid who have rights to it have the opportunity to receive it. That's why they call it ninja looting. Regardless, there were no rules against ninja looting in classic EQ.
Doesn't start playing EQ untill post 2010. Thinks she's an expert on classic... :confused:
Shannacore
05-11-2014, 05:03 PM
Doesn't start playing EQ untill post 2010. Thinks she's an expert on classic... :confused:
lol'd
SamwiseRed
05-11-2014, 05:07 PM
oh damn your pally got double attack now. powerful you've become.
stonez138
05-11-2014, 05:09 PM
But paladin is a useless class... Just ask our resident expert Zalora. :rolleyes:
Uuruk
05-11-2014, 05:15 PM
Doesn't start playing EQ untill post 2010. Thinks she's an expert on classic... :confused:
She is posting facts.....
HeallunRumblebelly
05-11-2014, 05:36 PM
But paladin is a useless class... Just ask our resident expert Zalora. :rolleyes:
But seriously, this isn't red. Paladins...eh... Divine strength soon? And anyone with clickies can be useful :P Someone's gotta shield on hosh, someone has to do the train up / get secondary. But what about paladins specifically makes them the best choice for anything in a high end raiding or high end grouping environment?
stonez138
05-11-2014, 05:38 PM
She is posting facts.....
So corpses opening up to people outside the group that got the kill didn't have anything to do with raiding, it was so any Tom, Dick or Harry could come up and take loot they had no right to....
Yeah, right.
HeallunRumblebelly
05-11-2014, 05:40 PM
So corpses opening up to people outside the group that got the kill didn't have anything to do with raiding, it was so any Tom, Dick or Harry could come up and take loot they had no right to....
Yeah, right.
Is a no name may 2014 account. Try not to think too much about it.
stonez138
05-11-2014, 05:40 PM
But what about paladins specifically makes them the best choice for anything in a high end raiding or high end grouping environment?
Spoken like a true min maxer. There's a difference between being useless and not being the best choice in specific situations....
Vraji
05-11-2014, 05:46 PM
Doesn't start playing EQ untill post 2010. Thinks she's an expert on classic... :confused:
This is a stupid comment by an obviously stupid person.
Vraji
05-11-2014, 05:57 PM
The problem here is that most of you are a bunch of QQing cry babies:
i.e. I was not smart enough to lock my corpse down now I will QQ to staff/waste staff time.
If your dead corpse timer is up then imho it's FFA (with the exception of raid targets) - so smarten the fuck up and lock that corpse down.
Think of it this way:
What you drop 100 bucks on the ground then tell people you can't touch it for a few mins then expect people not to come take the 100 buck note? Fuck no you put you foot on it till you can pick it up. Some greedy little Latino with oiled back hair is gunna come take that 100 buck note that is at your feet regardless if he knows it's yours or not.
tl:dr/contains too much truth it hurt my feeling:
Moral of the the story is stop been dumb crying QQ bitches and smarten the fuck up about how you play EQ.
stonez138
05-11-2014, 06:03 PM
This is a stupid comment by an obviously stupid person.
You're so right! I will now defer to Zalora and her extensive knowledge of all things related to EQ.
Vraji
05-11-2014, 06:12 PM
Glad you agree.
Shannacore
05-11-2014, 06:15 PM
I smell a white knight
stonez138
05-11-2014, 06:17 PM
I was thinking the same thing lol. Hate to break it to you Vraji, she won't let you mount her for calling me stupid.
HeallunRumblebelly
05-11-2014, 06:32 PM
I smell a white knight
Pretty soon he'll be taking her to Vegas on RMT spoils and we'll have another server urban legend :P
Vraji
05-11-2014, 06:59 PM
Don't know what you're talking about/who you're talking about/what the X-person related drama is/who is involved etc..... I read the OP post: came to post about it.... saw Stonez138 comment......thought it was stupid so posted about that, and then posted my thoughts on people QQing about ninja loot.
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:00 PM
But it sounds good, who am I "white knighting" for....I want to see pics...
Shannacore
05-11-2014, 07:02 PM
But it sounds good, who am I "white knighting" for....I want to see pics...
http://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=28515&dateline=1358450965
khanable
05-11-2014, 07:05 PM
zalora confirmed retarded
vraji confirmed after retarded alleged vagina
this thread still delivers!
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:08 PM
^has a profile pic of something he's probably never seen IRL
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:09 PM
http://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=28515&dateline=1358450965
Oh, is she the new Shannacore of PP99?
Shannacore
05-11-2014, 07:10 PM
Oh, is she the new Shannacore of PP99?
There can only be one
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:12 PM
Man I need to install P99 again - I actually miss the drama of the server: ESO has not been satisfying, and hitting 100 in EQLive was also not satisfying.
Are people still arse sucking TMO like no tomorrow trying to get in on the loot bandwagon? TMO still RMTing like it's their business out in the open?
Been thinking Ikky SK!
khanable
05-11-2014, 07:16 PM
no
shut up
stonez138
05-11-2014, 07:19 PM
Don't know what you're talking about/who you're talking about/what the X-person related drama is/who is involved etc.....
Ok so you had no idea about anything but posted anyways. I think we found out who is obviously stupid.
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:31 PM
Plenty of idiots play PP99.....
stonez138
05-11-2014, 07:34 PM
Plenty of idiots play PP99.....
And some just post here....
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:41 PM
nay I still got an account - DL the "client" now =)
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:42 PM
Will make a Ikky SK - ps anyone have some free stuff?
HeallunRumblebelly
05-11-2014, 07:46 PM
Man I need to install P99 again - I actually miss the drama of the server: ESO has not been satisfying, and hitting 100 in EQLive was also not satisfying.
Are people still arse sucking TMO like no tomorrow trying to get in on the loot bandwagon? TMO still RMTing like it's their business out in the open?
Been thinking Ikky SK!
Yes on TMO still on top. IB is close. Not many nut hangers honestly, we don't have as many apps as you'd think. And the RMT is gone out of TMO--shit gets awarded too fast and it's all handled quite well on the forums now.
Vraji
05-11-2014, 07:58 PM
Yes on TMO still on top. IB is close. Not many nut hangers honestly, we don't have as many apps as you'd think. And the RMT is gone out of TMO--shit gets awarded too fast and it's all handled quite well on the forums now.
Good to hear =) was getting a bit spastic there for awhile.
+1 respect to TMO
So all i want a know is whether chest used a disc to stall BDA's sniped engage. because that is clearly exploiting.
nefarious tactics from bda if you ask me.
Dolic
Pricila
05-12-2014, 01:25 AM
Chest pulled Verina. he was backed up by Ramsis, me and a copple of others BDA. What do you think Verina hits for? She certainly cant kill a Lev 60 monk in the time it take for a BP CH to land. There were 0 stall.
cu
Prici
Prismaticshop
05-12-2014, 05:01 AM
Props to that enchanter, she can now join IB and get a share of the ninja looted TMO GB :D
Locust
05-12-2014, 11:43 AM
None of your claims are true. The system was created specifically to be opened to the public. No one got banned for utilizing the system. Nor would that even make sense.
pretty sure the system was created so your friends and or fellow raiders didn't have to be in the exp group to get loot
guns don't kill people, people kill people
also <3 that this thread lives on. to page 50!
Locust
05-12-2014, 11:51 AM
So all i want a know is whether chest used a disc to stall BDA's sniped engage. because that is clearly exploiting.
nefarious tactics from bda if you ask me.
Dolic
here's the real story. chest was in 3rd gate buying port stones on his monk. verina popped so he tagged it and pulled to the zone line. being a good raider, he used a DA idol, his discs, and 5 soulfire charges while a donals cleric was on the way. cleric arrives and 20 minutes of 20 sec CHs later (thats 60 CHs), mordhot shows up to land the killing blow. chest looted the book and MQd it to zyryn (bda ench) because he somehow never finished his epic.
thieros
05-12-2014, 01:32 PM
here's the real story. chest was in 3rd gate buying port stones on his monk. verina popped so he tagged it and pulled to the zone line. being a good raider, he used a DA idol, his discs, and 5 soulfire charges while a donals cleric was on the way. cleric arrives and 20 minutes of 20 sec CHs later (thats 60 CHs), mordhot shows up to land the killing blow. chest looted the book and MQd it to zyryn (bda ench) because he somehow never finished his epic.
ZYRYN RUINS EVERYTHING.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/zBjtj.gif
HeallunRumblebelly
05-12-2014, 02:49 PM
Good to hear =) was getting a bit spastic there for awhile.
+1 respect to TMO
Yeah...TMO had a big falling out when FE merged. Zee ran off with the guild bank, not sure if just holding, rmt'd, or banned. Mazum's good for the guild.
stonez138
05-12-2014, 03:33 PM
Yeah...TMO had a big falling out when FE merged. Zee ran off with the guild bank, not sure if just holding, rmt'd, or banned. Mazum's good for the guild.
Revisionist history? Didn't Zeel rage quit when Rogean did mass bans on TMO for cheating? Which was well before FE sold out.
HeallunRumblebelly
05-12-2014, 03:45 PM
Revisionist history? Didn't Zeel rage quit when Rogean did mass bans on TMO for cheating? Which was well before FE sold out.
He did. Then TMO reformed. Then he decided that they had "no right" to reform TMO, took the guild bank and went over to IB. Haven't seen him on in a while.
edit: He wanted to make a big impact on the server with his leaving. Turns out it didn't matter as much as he thought it would. Was a good RL / SK, but a bit dramatic.
Scikala
05-13-2014, 03:51 PM
Bump - fell off the first page. Need to hit that 50 mark.
mipstien
05-14-2014, 10:17 AM
Bump - fell off the first page. Need to hit that 50 mark.
Clark
05-15-2014, 12:57 AM
None of your claims are true. The system was created specifically to be opened to the public.
http://s3.postimg.org/j8z5nl1k3/a4a7277064b64907017a97efd689c319_crop_north.jpg
Droog007
05-16-2014, 01:59 AM
Well, I kind of get what you're saying, but I'm just having a little too much fun lawyering up in here...
Glenzig - there are plenty of reasons for a person who was not in the "kill" group to have an opportunity to loot a corpse before it rots. They range from bannable to tolerable to acceptable. It's extremely clear where this act fell.
mdaro
05-16-2014, 02:48 PM
what won't people argue about? this is fantastic.
It's not fantastic! What are you talking about......
Draxx
05-16-2014, 05:20 PM
zalora confirmed retarded
vraji confirmed after retarded alleged vagina
this thread still delivers!
I've spent yesterday and today at work reading this thread when I had time. It's all been quite informative and hilarious. Especially since it all stems from a situation that has been clearly and explicitly addressed by the GMs in the past.
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