Reporting multibox behavior

[Dominick]

Should I petition multibox behavior, post it here, or what?

I know the server admins have said that they don't want people to multibox.

I notices a six man group in EC and Befallen who were very obviously multiboxed. No response to tells, one person responded and one person moving activly at a time.

When they left ORC2 camp it was one by one, they progressed to the ZL one by one, and after going to WC they looked like they followed to Befallen where they did the same thing.

I am just looking for an answer along the lines of what the policy is.

[Dantes]

Petitions/Exploits forum:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

You can't view the threads, but you can make a new post there. At first I thought it was closed, but I suppose it probably only shows you your own posts.

[Overcast]

I am just looking for an answer along the lines of what the policy is.


- Multi-boxing is not allowed. Players are only allowed to play one client per RL person. We will be enforcing this rule and we ask for everyone’s co-operation to just abide by our wishes. Breaking this rule will result in a ban.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1057

[Dominick]

- If you witness, discover or hear of an exploit it becomes your responsibility to report that exploit. Some exploits could include: Loot dropping improperly for large monetary gain, pathing exploit allowing you kill NPCs at ease, or a quest rewarding you experience and giving you back the quest item to turn it in over and over for experience. We ask for everyone’s cooperation in this matter. It is important for us to stomp out any issues as quickly as we can so that things stay legit.

There is my answer, /petition and report.

Thank you.

[Wenai]

Fraps videos help a lot. The best report we ever got was someone following around a multiboxer for like 5 mins with fraps. Made it easy for us :p

[kenzar]

Oh no a multiboxer! go run and tell teacher Dominick, hurry! what a fucking narc! i bet u are the type of person who calls the police when he sees people 'smoking marijuana cigarettes'. before you take the time to fraps this 'multi-boxer' you should instead open up the arteries in your arms and just bleed out.

ps no one likes a taddle-tail.

[Tiggles]

Oh no a multiboxer! go run and tell teacher Dominick, hurry! what a fucking narc! i bet u are the type of person who calls the police when he sees people 'smoking marijuana cigarettes'. before you take the time to fraps this 'multi-boxer' you should instead open up the arteries in your arms and just bleed out.

ps no one likes a taddle-tail.

Ban this guy

[kenzar]

Ban this guy

Ban this guy!

[Harrison]

Oh no a multiboxer! go run and tell teacher Dominick, hurry! what a fucking narc! i bet u are the type of person who calls the police when he sees people 'smoking marijuana cigarettes'. before you take the time to fraps this 'multi-boxer' you should instead open up the arteries in your arms and just bleed out.

ps no one likes a taddle-tail.

P.S. no one likes an illiterate mongoloid that consistently supports bad behavior, illegal behavior (both in-game, or out), and such bullshit in life.

You are scum not fit to lick the dogshit from my running shoes.

[Fists]

kenzer, you clearly are a homo. Just sayin.

[kenzar]

You are scum not fit to lick the dogshit from my running shoes.

why are you running in dogshit?

[kenzar]

kenzer, you clearly are a homo. Just sayin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

I think we are all 'Homo' breh.

[Darkcore]

Kenzar sounds like he is trolling ......... just a thought

[bufferofnewbies]

He's what? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7goZUYGXAHA)

[kenzar]

Kenzar sounds like he is trolling ......... just a thought

BINGO!

but seriously OP try and hide your boner next time you get the chance to tell on someone.

[Neon_Ravelights]

Yes, well, better a tattle-tale than a boxer, because it just ruins the game when people can do it and dont get caught. You can add whatever self-imposed "you are retarded" here but no boxing on the server simply means NO BOXING. herp derp.

[Harrison]

This "everyone hates a rat" bullshit is what enables criminals to operate and get away with it.

You can ALWAYS find slime of this caliber in an urban area where shitbags run rampant and their "belief" is somehow worn with pride, like enabling shitbags is a good thing.

Lowlife scum robs a bank.
Lowlife scum witness it.
Lowlife scum refuse to "rat".

You people disgust me.

[purist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73q9SBgcOYE

[kenzar]

Lowlife scum robs a bank.
Lowlife scum witness it.
Lowlife scum refuse to "rat".

You people disgust me.

the FDIC insures that money anyway, if you can rob a bank and get away without being shot or caught, good for you.

and what exactly do you mean by 'you people'?

[kenzar]

This "everyone hates a rat" bullshit is what enables blacks to operate and get away with it.

You can ALWAYS find blacks of this caliber in an urban area where blacks run rampant and their "belief" is somehow worn with pride, like enabling blacks is a good thing.

Lowlife black robs a bank.
Lowlife black witness it.
Lowlife black refuse to "rat".

You black people disgust me.

is this what you meant..?

[yaeger]

This "everyone hates a rat" bullshit is what enables white criminals to operate and get away with it.

You can ALWAYS find slime of this caliber in an urban area where white shitbags run rampant and their "belief" is somehow worn with pride, like enabling white shitbags is a good thing.

Lowlife white scum robs a bank.
Lowlife white scum witness it.
Lowlife white scum refuse to "rat".

You white people disgust me.

Or perhaps this?

[kenzar]

Well Harrison, which one is it?

[yaeger]

Back on topic though.

I hope everyone reports a boxer if they see one. The lower population of the server makes everyone that can join a group that much more essential. Not to mention it has been stated multiple times, and even warned against if you get an IP exemption.

People who box know the penalty and are informed adults, don't defend them. Besides, I don't really want to play with people that cheat to get the advantage.

[Serith]

Oh no a multiboxer! go run and tell teacher Dominick, hurry! what a fucking narc! i bet u are the type of person who calls the police when he sees people 'smoking marijuana cigarettes'. before you take the time to fraps this 'multi-boxer' you should instead open up the arteries in your arms and just bleed out.

ps no one likes a taddle-tail.

tattle*

[Zordana]

Should I petition multibox behavior, post it here, or what?

I know the server admins have said that they don't want people to multibox.

I notices a six man group in EC and Befallen who were very obviously multiboxed. No response to tells, one person responded and one person moving activly at a time.

When they left ORC2 camp it was one by one, they progressed to the ZL one by one, and after going to WC they looked like they followed to Befallen where they did the same thing.

I am just looking for an answer along the lines of what the policy is.

you should /petition this ingame

[kenzar]

I guess im out of touch because
A: im already 50
B: i play a class that can easily solo 1 - 50 and 50 - 60 when kunark drops.

but I think the gms should be the ones enforcing the boxing rules, and not rely on the playerbase to police things for them. I didn't make the rule and I don't care about people boxing. there are 785ppl online right now, as long as none of them are boxing, its official; 1/785th of the server will not report people boxing.

[wizigig]

the FDIC insures that money anyway, if you can rob a bank and get away without being shot or caught, good for you.

and what exactly do you mean by 'you people'?

Funny, and were exactly do you think the FDIC gets that money? Some of the money comes from the banks, which is passed on to the customers as higher fees. And some is tax money which guess what? comes from people who work and pay taxes. So do the math. You rob a bank and you are stealing from everyone who is hard working, pays their taxes and uses the banks services.

[eqdruid76]

I'd be rather suspicious of anyone who petitioned for an IP exemption for a family of 6...

Although, I'm prone to go ahead and assume everyone who requests an IP exemption is going to box. The likelihood that two people in the same dwelling are going to play an emulated version of an 11 year old game is very poor, imho. Can't count the number of posts in "EC" that have read "send a tell to charactera or characterb....and they're both logged on ingame....."

[Serrack]

Although, I'm prone to go ahead and assume everyone who requests an IP exemption is going to box. The likelihood that two people in the same dwelling are going to play an emulated version of an 11 year old game is very poor, imho. Can't count the number of posts in "EC" that have read "send a tell to charactera or characterb....and they're both logged on ingame....."

In my guild, it's a pretty regular thing to ask in /gu if someone is in EC and can put out a WTB/WTS for them while they are doing something else. Some of us hate sitting in EC for hours on end, and we don't mind helping each other out to avoid having half the guild sitting idle.

Also, my wife and I both play from the same IP so I guess we are anecdotal anomalies.

Not trying to pick a fight, just saying that not everything that happens is a conspiracy or a cheat.

[Dominick]

In my guild, it's a pretty regular thing to ask in /gu if someone is in EC and can put out a WTB/WTS for them while they are doing something else. Some of us hate sitting in EC for hours on end, and we don't mind helping each other out to avoid having half the guild sitting idle.

Also, my wife and I both play from the same IP so I guess we are anecdotal anomalies.

Not trying to pick a fight, just saying that not everything that happens is a conspiracy or a cheat.

I was watching a group that took up a camp with what looked like a boxed players. They didnt have room for two more. Me and my friend both thought they were non-English speakers. When they took off we chatted a second about it. The only reason it is even an issue is because one person took up a camp they could not solo.

I asked here because it appeared important to the admins. I think part of being a good resident is reporting issues like this to the admins. When I see a bum in my neighborhood looking in peoples windows I call the cops, I don't think for a second that I should ignore it and let the cops catch the guy looking into windows on their own.

[corradojeff]

All the boxing threads are fun to read.

IMO the people that think majority of the IP exemptions are for boxing are most likely wearing a tinfoil hat to protect their brain from aliens.

There are ALOT of IP exemptions out there. I rarely come across any suspicious boxing activites and with the small number of people online and the number of IP exemptions you would expect to see that sort of activity frequently. Most of my friends in game, as well as myself, agree that there isn't alot of obvious boxing going on.

Maybe some people are UBER LEET at boxing and can move and type at the same time but I doubt 99.999999% of people that are going to box are that good at it.

I seem to remember in classic, before boxing was allowed or even known about, that you couldn't go more than 5 minutes without talking to, or bumping in to someone, that played with their wife/brother. I dont see why that is any different here.

Just my two pennies.

To the OP:
Keep reporting it. Boxing will ruin the game and the GMs will do what they can about it when provided adequate proof.

[Malrubius]

I was watching a group that took up a camp with what looked like a boxed players. They didnt have room for two more. Me and my friend both thought they were non-English speakers. When they took off we chatted a second about it. The only reason it is even an issue is because one person took up a camp they could not solo.

I asked here because it appeared important to the admins. I think part of being a good resident is reporting issues like this to the admins. When I see a bum in my neighborhood looking in peoples windows I call the cops, I don't think for a second that I should ignore it and let the cops catch the guy looking into windows on their own.

Good analogy.

Everybody report what they see, and eventually it won't even be worth trying to box.

[Serrack]

I asked here because it appeared important to the admins.

My post was really more of a direct response to the one I quoted, sorry for the confusion.

As others have said, I agree we should all report odd behavior.

I just jumped in because some pretty wild generalizations were getting tossed around.

[Dominick]

I just jumped in because some pretty wild generalizations were getting tossed around.

Its cool, I didn't take it as an issue.

[Neon_Ravelights]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73q9SBgcOYE

LMAO

[purist]

Boondocks ftw

[kenzar]

Funny, and were exactly do you think the FDIC gets that money? Some of the money comes from the banks, which is passed on to the customers as higher fees. And some is tax money which guess what? comes from people who work and pay taxes. So do the math. You rob a bank and you are stealing from everyone who is hard working, pays their taxes and uses the banks services.

I know exactly where it comes from, but thanks for the lesson. Id rather steal $1 from everyone than $300,000,000 from one person.

[Nedala]

Ban this guy!


+1

[Alawen Everywhere]

I know exactly where it comes from, but thanks for the lesson. Id rather steal $1 from everyone than $300,000,000 from one person.

Either one makes you a thief. If spreading the theft out makes you think you're not a thief, then you're lying to yourself, which would also make you a... liar.

Enjoy karma.

[Ihealyou]

Funny, and were exactly do you think the FDIC gets that money? Some of the money comes from the banks, which is passed on to the customers as higher fees. And some is tax money which guess what? comes from people who work and pay taxes. So do the math. You rob a bank and you are stealing from everyone who is hard working, pays their taxes and uses the banks services.

The FDIC receives all of its funding from member banks. But yeah, robbing banks is bad.

[Tiggles]

+1

-1

[Itchybottom]

Enjoy karma.

I can't take it anymore. Sorry about the de-rail here, but I keep seeing people on this forum using karma completely wrong. It is NOT cause and effect, that is nothing more than westernized non-sense and misunderstanding. Karma spans over multiple life spans, and it is VERY RARE for karma to influence your current life and especially instantly and or the present.

That being said, back to the thread at hand. Detecting multi-boxers can be a real hassle. A lot of behavior such as a character following around another character, only healing or buffing every now and then could simply be explained away as a room-mate, girlfriend, wife, friend helping the person out. I haven't done much grouping with my girlfriend on this server (mainly because she overpulls and always gets herself killed) but if I power leveled her, the amount of pause between me pulling something, and her engaging the NPC because she's an air head when it comes to spatial awareness; it would CERTAINLY look like I'm two boxing.

There was also a scenario I encountered where I supposedly got reported for two-boxing a trade in east common lands tunnel. I was on my rogue, she [my girlfriend] was on my mage and I had her hand my rogue two bags full of stuff. The comment I got in say was "Fucking two boxers" ... Both clients were human attended, but there was no way of telling this. It's not cut and dry as people are making it out to be for reporting someone and it creates work for the server staff to investigate. Be sure about it, look into it, follow the person around. If it's important enough to report, it's important enough to investigate yourself. Treat it like a train event, FRAPS it. Log your conversation with them. Take intermediary screen shots of strange behavior.

I don't know the server staff that well, but I've seen it more times than not that GMs on EQEMU server staff will ban people without a thorough investigation, just because there is nothing better to do than witch hunt after the important petitions are clear. The jealousy on these servers make people see things that aren't really happening. (GM abuse is a prime example -- I doubt it happens here, but there are a shit load of you telling me on a daily basis that it is)

[Lazortag]

I can't take it anymore. Sorry about the de-rail here, but I keep seeing people on this forum using karma completely wrong. It is NOT cause and effect, that is nothing more than westernized non-sense and misunderstanding. Karma spans over multiple life spans, and it is VERY RARE for karma to influence your current life and especially instantly and or the present.

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in this unfalsifiable voodoo shit. Just saying.

[yaeger]

I was on my rogue, she [my girlfriend] was on my mage and I had her hand my rogue two bags full of stuff. The comment I got in say was "Fucking two boxers" ... Both clients were human attended, but there was no way of telling this.

I don't know the server staff that well, but I've seen it more times than not that GMs on EQEMU server staff will ban people without a thorough investigation, just because there is nothing better to do than witch hunt after the important petitions are clear. The jealousy on these servers make people see things that aren't really happening. (GM abuse is a prime example -- I doubt it happens here, but there are a shit load of you telling me on a daily basis that it is)

You, as a single person, having two separate accounts of active characters sounds like a recipe for trouble.

Technically it's not wrong, but it increases the chance of a honest misunderstanding. I can't see why any one person would need two separate accounts in order to play on this server without boxing.

Yes, some people would find it suspicious.

[Itchybottom]

I can't see why any one person would need two separate accounts in order to play on this server without boxing.

"Do you want to borrow my mage to camp ____?" is the exact reason.

[azxten]

I can't take it anymore. Sorry about the de-rail here, but I keep seeing people on this forum using karma completely wrong. It is NOT cause and effect, that is nothing more than westernized non-sense and misunderstanding. Karma spans over multiple life spans, and it is VERY RARE for karma to influence your current life and especially instantly and or the present.

Karma is a word in sanskrit for action. An action can be good, bad, or neutral. In western culture there is a tendency to mystify karma. It's more of a logical or philosophical truth.

If you perform bad actions a lot it will come back in a negative way because of our conscience. What a bad action is or isn't is determined by that individual and this is why intent, etc is so important.

For example, if you don't like hurting animals and in a fit of rage you kick your dog that will have a negative impact on you in addition to the dog that manifests itself in your psyche. A lot of people lie about what does or doesn't bother them morally and so we perform a lot of actions that we know are bad and they come back to haunt us. The opposite is also true. If you think helping sick people is a good action and you spend all your time in hospitals volunteering then you will tend to be happy, etc as a result.

Now the "over lifetimes" statement is also a bit misleading because the view of life in this philosophy is that of an ocean of energy and all the life we see are like ripples on the surface of that ocean caused by the winds of the physical plane. We are all the same life but our perspective makes us see those waves as individual entities while ignoring the ocean they arise from. So, by either performing good or bad actions within your own moral compass you are affecting all of life and the energy that life has (Is life happy or sad?).

To go one step further the western view is that life arises from the physical which produces a mind. The eastern view is that life arises from the mind which requires a physical manifestation. We are composed of all these cells but how are those cells arranged in the way they are? Our physical form is a crystallization around the energy signature that is us. At conception the entire entity that will eventually "exist" already exists in the information stored in their DNA. Energy is consumed to begin that crystallization process in the correct way to form the entity that has been created. Phantom limb pain is a good physical example of this. People lose a limb but still feel it's there because their energy signature hasn't adapted to its loss. Picture animals like salamanders that can regenerate body parts. Humans lost this ability in exchange for extremely complicated cellular organization.

Similar to the way our cells divide and multiply so has DNA and whatever DNA arose from and so on. You consider yourself a single entity but acknowledge you're made up of tiny cells, bacteria, etc all working to produce you and all of this arose from you splitting off from your two parents in the same way a skin cell is formed, lives its life, dies, and flakes off. If you consider yourself a single entity but can acknowledge all the smaller entities that make you exist is it so hard to imagine life as a whole being a single entity made up of its component cells? Personally I like to think of life as an animal itself that is not evolving but rather just aging.

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in this unfalsifiable voodoo shit. Just saying.

Where does the voodoo come into play?

[kenzar]

Either one makes you a thief. If spreading the theft out makes you think you're not a thief, then you're lying to yourself, which would also make you a... liar.

Enjoy karma.

Im a thief. Im a liar. Theres my church, i sing in the choir.

- Eddie Vedder

[kenzar]

Karma is a word in sanskrit for action. An action can be good, bad, or neutral. In western culture there is a tendency to mystify karma. It's more of a logical or philosophical truth.

If you perform bad actions a lot it will come back in a negative way because of our conscience. What a bad action is or isn't is determined by that individual and this is why intent, etc is so important.

For example, if you don't like hurting animals and in a fit of rage you kick your dog that will have a negative impact on you in addition to the dog that manifests itself in your psyche. A lot of people lie about what does or doesn't bother them morally and so we perform a lot of actions that we know are bad and they come back to haunt us. The opposite is also true. If you think helping sick people is a good action and you spend all your time in hospitals volunteering then you will tend to be happy, etc as a result.

Now the "over lifetimes" statement is also a bit misleading because the view of life in this philosophy is that of an ocean of energy and all the life we see are like ripples on the surface of that ocean caused by the winds of the physical plane. We are all the same life but our perspective makes us see those waves as individual entities while ignoring the ocean they arise from. So, by either performing good or bad actions within your own moral compass you are affecting all of life and the energy that life has (Is life happy or sad?).

To go one step further the western view is that life arises from the physical which produces a mind. The eastern view is that life arises from the mind which requires a physical manifestation. We are composed of all these cells but how are those cells arranged in the way they are? Our physical form is a crystallization around the energy signature that is us. At conception the entire entity that will eventually "exist" already exists in the information stored in their DNA. Energy is consumed to begin that crystallization process in the correct way to form the entity that has been created. Phantom limb pain is a good physical example of this. People lose a limb but still feel it's there because their energy signature hasn't adapted to its loss. Picture animals like salamanders that can regenerate body parts. Humans lost this ability in exchange for extremely complicated cellular organization.

Similar to the way our cells divide and multiply so has DNA and whatever DNA arose from and so on. You consider yourself a single entity but acknowledge you're made up of tiny cells, bacteria, etc all working to produce you and all of this arose from you splitting off from your two parents in the same way a skin cell is formed, lives its life, dies, and flakes off. If you consider yourself a single entity but can acknowledge all the smaller entities that make you exist is it so hard to imagine life as a whole being a single entity made up of its component cells? Personally I like to think of life as an animal itself that is not evolving but rather just aging.



Where does the voodoo come into play?

TLDNR, buuuuuut I like what this man has to say.

[Itchybottom]

I like what this man has to say.

Other than the fact he's mostly talking about ego rather than karma, I too enjoyed reading it.

[Noleafclover]

Oh no a multiboxer! go run and tell teacher Dominick, hurry! what a fucking narc! i bet u are the type of person who calls the police when he sees people 'smoking marijuana cigarettes'. before you take the time to fraps this 'multi-boxer' you should instead open up the arteries in your arms and just bleed out.

ps no one likes a taddle-tail.

but I think the gms should be the ones enforcing the boxing rules, and not rely on the playerbase to police things for them. I didn't make the rule and I don't care about people boxing. there are 785ppl online right now, as long as none of them are boxing, its official; 1/785th of the server will not report people boxing.

So from the second, you think it should be stopped, but from the first - not by the players. *scratches head* What kind of crazy belief system is this? Inconsistent troll is inconsistent.

But, on the other hand, got a bunch of bites, so successful troll is successful!

P.S. if I read you right, you're saying that 785/785 people won't report (I guess because if someone would do something, they must be doing it every second of every day... not really.. sure...), so that's 785/785ths, not 1/785ths.

[kenzar]

P.S. if I read you right, you're saying that 785/785 people won't report (I guess because if someone would do something, they must be doing it every second of every day... not really.. sure...), so that's 785/785ths, not 1/785ths.

nah , what i meant was that at the time there was 785players online, me being 1 of them. i personally would never report a boxer if i saw one, so 1/785th of the server at the time wouldnt report it.

[yaeger]

“The greatest evil that we must fear most is the indifference of good men.”

On a server where it's essential that we police ourselves, why would you not report boxing?

[kenzar]

“The greatest evil that we must fear most is the indifference of good men.”

On a server where it's essential that we police ourselves, why would you not report boxing?

because i dont feel it hurts anyone. if someone wants to play that way then let them. im not indifferent to boxing, im just pro freedom. and if you hate freedom youre a fucking terrorist. :eek:

[azxten]

because i dont feel it hurts anyone. if someone wants to play that way then let them. im not indifferent to boxing, im just pro freedom. and if you hate freedom youre a fucking terrorist. :eek:

How do you feel that boxing doesn't hurt anyone if all the camps are taken by boxers? Let's say you're level 20 and want a group in UGuk? Oh, took bad.. scryer, LGuk ZL, lord, etc are all being camped by boxers either playing multiple characters in a group or just sitting there with a high level buffing/healing.

If they allowed boxing here it would be retarded. I personally would start up about 50 accounts and start raiding by myself. You think raid mobs are hard to get now?

The reason it's bad is it limits the number of actual humans that can be having fun. Someone can have fun without playing 6 characters and removing the chance of fun for 5 other people by blocking more and more mobs for one person's enjoyment.

[kenzar]

How do you feel that boxing doesn't hurt anyone if all the camps are taken by boxers? Let's say you're level 20 and want a group in UGuk? Oh, took bad.. scryer, LGuk ZL, lord, etc are all being camped by boxers either playing multiple characters in a group or just sitting there with a high level buffing/healing.

If they allowed boxing here it would be retarded. I personally would start up about 50 accounts and start raiding by myself. You think raid mobs are hard to get now?

The reason it's bad is it limits the number of actual humans that can be having fun. Someone can have fun without playing 6 characters and removing the chance of fun for 5 other people by blocking more and more mobs for one person's enjoyment.

Which leads me to my next point, PVP should be enabled server-wide...Introduce a little chaos, because chaos is fair.

[yaeger]

Getting just a little bit off topic now..

[azxten]

Which leads me to my next point, PVP should be enabled server-wide...Introduce a little chaos, because chaos is fair.

So we should all be able to box and PvP? Wow, talk about a retarded server. I love PvP but boxing would kill it. Every fucking fight someone would have an unattackable healer alt to pop in just out of level range of you. Boxing fundamentally changes the game for everyone playing from focusing on your one character to being forced to manage multiple characters and accounts if you want to have any chance at camps, raiding, etc.

If they enabled boxing would you be alright if I rolled up 6 mages and camped them in Frenzy literally forever even while I'm asleep and not looting anything? Per server rules it's my camp, right?

[kenzar]

Getting just a little bit off topic now..

Which leads me to my next topic: i only posted on this thread because i was bored like 2 days ago...let it die, im bored again.

[Toomuch]

Which leads me to my next point, PVP should be enabled server-wide...Introduce a little chaos, because chaos is fair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saPAQRzbVds&feature=related

BTW, not like it's gonna change anything, but my votes are -

Boxing: No!
PVP: YES PZLZLPZLZPLZ!

[kenzar]

Hey someone got my reference! /clap