Pantheon

[thefloydian]

This shit is going to get ugly. Pretty sure McQuaid took the money and went on a vicodin bender. :eek:

[Grimfan]

What meltdown?

[Ahldagor]

do tell do tell

[Thulack]

Guessing he talking about this:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/14/5614348/pantheon-rise-of-the-fallen-development-will-slow-down-until-finances

[thefloydian]

I just started listening to the live podcast at KTAM Radio, so I'm not 100% sure what's going on. But from what I gather this got posted: https://www.pantheonrotf.com/blogs/355/91/pantheon-s-financial-situation early in the morning or last night, and it blindsided most of the development team and the people who donated.

I never considered giving McQuaid a dime, and this is exactly the reason why. I understand that they didn't raise a ton of money, but it's only been like a month and with what pittance they are paying most of the "devs" (a lot of them are even working for free) there's no way they could have blown through 150k. I think a lot of people are really questioning what happened to the money at this point.

[thefloydian]

Guessing he talking about this:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/14/5614348/pantheon-rise-of-the-fallen-development-will-slow-down-until-finances

Yeah, but there's more than that. There was a 4 hour podcast that's wrapping up on this site: http://www.ktamradio.com/

A number of people involved with the project have been on and talked about it, and not one of them has defended Brad. The rest of them have basically gone AWOL.

[Grimfan]

Guessing he talking about this:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/14/5614348/pantheon-rise-of-the-fallen-development-will-slow-down-until-finances

That's normal though. Anyone who decided to pledge after the kickstarter failed knew that they were just giving money to Brad at that point and hoped he would do what was best for the future of the game. 150,000$ is nothing in terms of MMO development and it probably barely got them in the door with bigger companies at this point.

I wish them the best of luck though. I hope they get a chance to make their dream game with the vision that they have. I wouldn't call it a meltdown though.

[thefloydian]

That's normal though. Anyone who decided to pledge after the kickstarter failed knew that they were just giving money to Brad at that point and hoped he would do what was best for the future of the game. 150,000$ is nothing in terms of MMO development and it probably barely got them in the door with bigger companies at this point.

I wish them the best of luck though. I hope they get a chance to make their dream game with the vision that they have. I wouldn't call it a meltdown though.

I admit to not knowing shit about anything, but from what I gather he wasn't really paying any of these people anything and a lot of them were completley blindsided by the news. Just seems kind of sketchy to me.

http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?5061-Pantheon-Rise-of-the-Fallen-II&p=652391#post652391

[Grimfan]

I admit to not knowing shit about anything, but from what I gather he wasn't really paying any of these people anything and a lot of them were completley blindsided by the news. Just seems kind of sketchy to me.

Oh. That is sketchy then. :/

[thefloydian]

Yeah, I dug this up after reading about this stuff today: http://www.thegrouchygamer.com/?p=80

Hadn't ever seen this stuff before. When you combine that with the fact that he was obviously fucked up during at least one of those developer roundtable things, it's not looking good. Someone on that FoH thread said "Brad just ebayed the guild vault" :D

[Haynar]

The vision of Pantheon reminded me too much of Vanguard.

They were making it too complicated, trying to make it "cool".

[Nuggie]

I gave money money knowing full well about his past. It was a pipe dream to begin with. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have been supported.

[quido]

I think kickstarters for stuff like serious game/etc projects are an abomination.

[jaybone]

come on over to RnF with this stuff we got

make that: ******s, faggots, and retards

[Quineloe]

I think kickstarters for stuff like serious game/etc projects are an abomination.

This apparently never was a serious game project, given that after 8 months what they have to show for today is what a hobby designer can squeeze out of Unity in a week or two. Just milk people a bit more he can retire with a bigger bank.

[Yonkec]

Lol.

So can we still get xp pots for donating?!

[thefloydian]

I just listened to an interview from yesterday. Brad thinks he's going to find someone that will give him $12 million to make this game.

[Swish]

Bring Brad onto the P99 staff, make him develop us a legit PvP teams server. It would be good for his resume at this point.

[fastboy21]

I didn't read it the way most of you did:

I took it to mean that they have taken it as far as they can without a major investor. Nothing more or less.

Personally, I always thought the odds of them leveraging a kickstarter into enough funds, either by direct fund raising or gaining the attention of an investor, for a well-produced MMO was a long shot from the beginning. Any chance this had of success was really hinging on Brad being an industry insider that knows the players and would attract the right attention. This part worked...now he needs money. Anyone know someone with 12 million dollars to risk on an MMO start-up company led by someone that hasn't produced a successful MMO in 15 years? (and yes, I LOVED Vanguard...the few dozen of us who did will watch that game go dark soon too.) Like I said, it was a long shot from the beginning. At worst, it was a long shot designed to hold over a handful of otherwise unemployed and talented Devs between solid employments.

It is interesting that so many folks are suddenly back on the hate Brad bandwagon.

[Rec]

There's no meltdown, he said himself he needs 10-12 million to make the game and they are waiting for an investor. Who thought 150k was going to fund the game?

All this is, is that there are people who wake up every day hoping for a meltdown.

[thefloydian]

There's no meltdown, he said himself he needs 10-12 million to make the game and they are waiting for an investor? Who thought 150k was going to fund the game?

All this is, is that there are people who wake up every day hoping for a meltdown.

I'm pretty sure $150k should have gotten them more than a month and shitty unity demo that a single dude could have made in his spare time.

The fact that a number of the developers were blindsided and one of them even said people should try for a chargeback (not gonna happen) says it all. But by all means, continue donating to the Cult of McQuaid.

[thefloydian]

It is interesting that so many folks are suddenly back on the hate Brad bandwagon.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, although I would never give him money. If you read the different forums and have listened to the interviews over the last week it sounds pretty suspect. The developer named Toney doesn't sound very sold on Brad either, and he knows him way better than any of us. At best it looks like this was horribly mismanaged, and at worst it looks like Brad is fleecing these people.

[Rec]

I'm pretty sure $150k should have gotten them more than a month and shitty unity demo that a single dude could have made in his spare time.

The fact that a number of the developers were blindsided and one of them even said people should try for a chargeback (not gonna happen) says it all. But by all means, continue donating to the Cult of McQuaid.

I've already donated there is no continuing. There's only waiting. But please continue to embarrass yourself like you have any clue what is actually going on.

[Swish]

I donated to the kickstarter but I'm more wary of just handing over cash for something that may never get created/released... and not sold onto SOE if it gets made and has potential.

What Brad needs is an EQ nerd who won the lottery.

[thefloydian]

I've already donated.

Exactly. Because only someone who had donated to this disaster would be fighting me on this. I would love for a game like this to be made, but you have to be delusional to blindly defend Brad when his own dev team is throwing him under the bus.

[thefloydian]

I donated to the kickstarter but I'm more wary of just handing over cash for something that may never get created/released... and not sold onto SOE if it gets made and has potential.

What Brad needs is an EQ nerd who won the lottery.

The only safety kickstarter provides is the media spotlight it provides. There are plenty of funded kickstarters that will never materialize.

[Swish]

The only safety kickstarter provides is the media spotlight it provides. There are plenty of funded kickstarters that will never materialize.

No doubt, but the target amount he wanted would have guaranteed some kind of output.

Right now you're just throwing it into a black hole.

[thefloydian]

There's a guy named Convo on the new FOH board that has access to the boards. He says his best guess (although Brad denies it) is that at one point, they had an "angel investor" lined up, but he pulled out for some reason and as a result the team had to switch from full-on development to producing a demo to shop to new investors. Even if this is true, though, it doesn't explain why some of the Devs have reacted the way they have.

[Rec]

Exactly. Because only someone who had donated to this disaster would be fighting me on this. I would love for a game like this to be made, but you have to be delusional to blindly defend Brad when his own dev team is throwing him under the bus.

I don't see myself defending Brad anywhere. You said there was a meltdown I see no meltdown. They need more money, they've always needed more money. 150 k is not enough to make the game I don't care what any arm chair quarterback says how it should be used. Please post your evidence to the contrary.

[Danth]

I just listened to an interview from yesterday. Brad thinks he's going to find someone that will give him $12 million to make this game.

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today, for that price? EQ cost more than that in the mid-late 90's and launched in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure today.

Danth

[thefloydian]

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today, for that price? EQ cost more than that in the mid-late 90's and launched in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure today.

Danth

I don't know who Triple-A it was ever going to be, but i'm more amazed that he thinks someone would give him that much money.

[Danth]

I haven't followed development closely so if there was never any plan of competing at the AAA-grade level, that would make more sense.

Danth

[myriverse]

I'm pretty sure $150k should have gotten them more...
I'm no defender of Brad, but $150k barely turns the lights on.

[Quineloe]

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today, for that price? EQ cost more than that in the mid-late 90's and launched in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure today.

Danth

Developing EQ today would take considerably less time and therefore programmer budget today. It's really not a valid comparison

[thefloydian]

I'm no defender of Brad, but $150k barely turns the lights on.

There are no lights to turn on. The people on the team were all working from home, and most of them weren't getting paid shit. You really think putting together a shitty unity demo with an underpaid team of 11 people should eat through 150k in one month?

This is a quote from another forum

Vhalen is on Ktam radio right now and said straight up that he doesn't blame the fans for wanting a charge back. He said the entire team was blind sided by Brad's announcement and he is very disappointed. For those that don't know, Vhalen is one of the few devs that actually did work. He is the lore guy. He also said that he was paid very low for the work he did and thats fine. Much respect for him at least.

Brad also admitted in a recent interview to not even really knowing how much money has come in, and that the number on the web site probably isn't right. This is a complete clusterfuck and anyone who says otherwise either hasn't paid attention or is a giant McQuaid homer.

[Fawqueue]

Surely this is a joke? Does someone seriously expect Brad McQuaid to make a AAA-quality MMORPG, today? 200 pounds of cocaine cost more than it did in the mid-late 90's and his mental health is in a condition that'd be guaranteed failure no matter what.

Danth

I fixed it to be more accurate.

[Ennewi]

Yes KickStarter is the online equivalent to that claw game at the arcade. No that doesn't mean great titles can't come from it as a result. It's just very unlikely and you'd better have a shitton of tokens.

It is interesting though, the fact that the same people responsible for a game (EQ) that was notorious for being a pita, are themselves now having a pita time trying create a new game that will essentially be a pita.

It's likely that a large number of potential players have lost or will probably lose interest with Pantheon and play other games in the interim, similar to the way a lot of players gave up on EQ the first time they logged on and died. But imo the majority of them will return eventually when/if Pantheon is fleshed out, just like the majority of first-time EQ players eventually logged back on after taking an extended break because, even though it fucked with your emotions and required a lot of time and effort, eventually there were moments in EQ where all of that was worth it. Right now it's just a matter of grinding through the timesink and seeing if Pantheon will level up beyond the newbie yard or die and never get a rez.

TL;DR
Get facts. Too early for facts? Do something more productive with your time than speculating, or otherwise risk becoming what CNN was when covering the missing Malaysian Airliner -- ridiculous (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krFN7jHKNNo).

[thefloydian]

Yes KickStarter is the online equivalent to that claw game at the arcade. No that doesn't mean great titles can't come from it as a result. It's just very unlikely and you'd better have a shitton of tokens.

It is interesting though, the fact that the same people responsible for a game (EQ) that was notorious for being a pita, are themselves now having a pita time trying create a new game that will essentially be a pita.

It's likely that a large number of potential players have lost or will probably lose interest with Pantheon and play other games in the interim, similar to the way a lot of players gave up on EQ the first time they logged on and died. But imo the majority of them will return eventually when/if Pantheon is fleshed out, just like the majority of first-time EQ players eventually logged back on after taking an extended break because, even though it fucked with your emotions and required a lot of time and effort, eventually there were moments in EQ where all of that was worth it. Right now it's just a matter of grinding through the timesink and seeing if Pantheon will level up beyond the newbie yard or die and never get a rez.

TL;DR
Get facts. Too early for facts? Do something more productive with your time than speculating, or otherwise risk becoming what CNN was when covering the missing Malaysian Airliner -- ridiculous (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krFN7jHKNNo).

Sorry to interrupt your minor-league Daily Show impression, but this is an interesting story because A.) It honestly looks like some shady shit is going on, and B.) Regardless of any moral/ethical failings, this is surely the end of McQuaid's career in the gaming industry save for some miracle millionaire with a heart of gold.

[thefloydian]

http://173.193.205.96:2197/ondemand/ktamradio/Aftermath%20Monday%20April%2014%202014.mp3

The whole thing is pretty interesting, but the part where one of the devs questions where the money went and explains that he wasn't' paid shit is around 1:14:00

[Swish]

1:06:00 ...good place to start,

[Ennewi]

Sorry to interrupt your minor-league Daily Show impression, but this is an interesting story because A.) It honestly looks like some shady shit is going on, and B.) Regardless of any moral/ethical failings, this is surely the end of McQuaid's career in the gaming industry save for some miracle millionaire with a heart of gold.

You're arguing a point that isn't being argued. Why? Yeah, it is interesting but so are rumors, conspiracy theories and tabloids (to some people at least).
That said, if you would just post more of...

Vhalen is on Ktam radio right now and said straight up that he doesn't blame the fans for wanting a charge back. He said the entire team was blind sided by Brad's announcement and he is very disappointed. For those that don't know, Vhalen is one of the few devs that actually did work. He is the lore guy. He also said that he was paid very low for the work he did and thats fine. Much respect for him at least.

and less of...

Pretty sure McQuaid took the money and went on a vicodin bender.
Someone on that FoH thread said
he was obviously fucked up during at least one of those developer roundtable things

than this would be a thread actually worth checking on if people didn't have time to look up what all is happening with Pantheon.

I admit to not knowing shit about anything

When the above changes I look forward to reading your posts, really.

[Ennewi]

http://173.193.205.96:2197/ondemand/ktamradio/Aftermath%20Monday%20April%2014%202014.mp3

Cool, thanks for the link.

[thefloydian]

When the above changes I look forward to reading your posts, really.

Nice work avoiding the last 3 pages of this thread. Please stop reading immediately. The pantheon forum is that way ----->>>>> http://www.pantheonrotf.com

[thefloydian]

Cool, thanks for the link.

What a moron.

[thefloydian]

1:06:00 ...good place to start,

Yeah, there's a lot stuff there.

By the way, the "someone on the FOH forum" is Convo, who was a pretty conntected subscriber and also basically the only person defending Brad at FOH. And even he has unsubbed and denounced the whole thing at this point.

[Ennewi]

Nice work avoiding the last 3 pages of this thread. Please stop reading immediately. The pantheon forum is that way ----->>>>> http://www.pantheonrotf.com

No, I read those pages and will probably read the pages to come as long as it isn't filled with RnFing and you keep up with the informative post which I genuinely appreciate.

[Garmr]

Account deleted over there now, sorry shit didn't work out, was excited to be in at the beginning, to be the class ambassador for Dark Knights, all that shit, but Brad.....fuck you. Good job man, made a nice dime eh? I'm guessing shit started coming seriously unraveled a few weeks ago. Many of the mods disappeared etc etc. Seriously 150K in a month? Keep paying for website upkeep? Again sir, fuck you. Was seriously excited for Pantheon, and jumped in with two feet, admittedly on blind faith that *this time* would work out. Bridges burned pal. Thankfully I didn't waste to much $ and feel bad for some of those folks that have dumped hundreds, some thousands into this project. I'm even sorrier that on my way out over there some of those same folks are still guzzling the kool aid thinking they'll be playing Pantheon in a year (alpha). Ah well....lessons learned.

I messed about on p99 years ago when it first opened, didn't play much but it was fun, came back to play here a month or so ago with folks from over at the Pantheon forums and gathered a lot more from the existing player base here. Frankly I'm loving it, have met some great folks and this will be my MMO home going forward. Though I think it may be time to /petition for a guild name change.... <Fallen Pantheon> perhaps?

[Portasaurus]

Frankly I'm loving it, have met some great folks and this will be my MMO home going forward.

More of this, please.

I have never understood why anybody wants anything else other than EverQuest, (and specifically p99 EQ).

The perfect game -- time-capsuled in its prime -- exists here at p99. Why play anything else?

Any time spent discussing Pantheon is time not spent playing p99. I suggest only discussing Pantheon while at-work and unable to play p99.

At this point, this whole project seems like a really bad car accident on the other side of the highway. I admit, it's hard not to look, but soon the fire and smoke will be in the rear view mirror.

p99 for life yall

[moklianne]

Because some people would like to play an EQ clone with visuals from this millennia.

I fail to see why supporting a project that tries to get at the core of what made EQ so great with enhanced visuals is bad.

[myriverse]

There are no lights to turn on. The people on the team were all working from home, and most of them weren't getting paid shit. You really think putting together a shitty unity demo with an underpaid team of 11 people should eat through 150k in one month?
"Turn the lights on" isn't a literal thing, but yes, a team of 11 would go through $150k in no-time, even if they were grossly underpaid.

[Champion_Standing]

Well obviously Brad is going to fuck this up, but $150,000 isn't going to go very far. I'm not 100% sure he spent it all on oxys yet, but its more likely than him spending all the money on the game.

And yeah floyd, he was definitely fucked up during more than 1 of those videos, pretty sure he was high as shit during the P99 one.

[Khaleesi]

The vision of Pantheon reminded me too much of Vanguard.

They were making it too complicated, trying to make it "cool".

This is false. Vanguard was ahead of it's time, we know it then and we know it now.
Pantheon is trying to take us back to such a time, to a bygone era - it's the whole reason it's appealing.

If Pantheon's ethos was to be cutting edge, people would have taken it less seriously as just another load of marketing BS.

[Gadwen]

This is false. Vanguard was ahead of it's time, we know it then and we know it now.
Pantheon is trying to take us back to such a time, to a bygone era - it's the whole reason it's appealing.

If Pantheon's ethos was to be cutting edge, people would have taken it less seriously as just another load of marketing BS.

I'm not so sure about that, Brad couldn't stop rambling about features during the interview thing he did with the P99 staff. At first it sounded like they wanted to basically remake EQ in a new world and with a modern engine...but as he kept going on about new things I started to think about Vanguard as well. To his credit he did basically say that most of the ideas he was talking about were just ramblings and he had no idea if they could implement them.

I don't have a list of all the ideas he had, and I don't think I can handle listening to his slurred rambling again to put such a thing together. But he definitely talked about a lot more than just making an old school MMORPG.

[Buns]

I threw the developers $25 (I think, I can't remember the exact number), mainly because I think Vhalen is a cool guy, and I wanted to support him. I didn't really think the game would ever be made, but I also didn't think it would crash and burn this quickly? Like hasn't it only been like 6 weeks?

Oh well. I wouldn't have donated the money if I couldn't have afforded it. I mainly feel bad for the crazy Pantheon fanboys who probably donated $1000 for nothing.

[applesauce25r624]

in other news: Lord British still kicking a shit ton of ass with his development

[fadetree]

do people actually think brad did all this to steal money? thats just ridiculous.

[Gadwen]

do people actually think brad did all this to steal money? thats just ridiculous.

No not to steal, to have it freely given to him.

[VFBlitz]

I think Brad could have pulled this off if he:

1. Made a small prototype himself before his initial kickstarter, and used that as the carrot for crowd funding.

2. Build it in Poland or somewhere where there is an abundance of programming talent that does not expect 60-100k a year for salary. Krakow is beautiful and that 160k would have lasted 6 months at least.

[Ahldagor]

I think Brad could have pulled this off if he:

1. Made a small prototype himself before his initial kickstarter, and used that as the carrot for crowd funding.

2. Build it in Poland or somewhere where there is an abundance of programming talent that does not expect 60-100k a year for salary. Krakow is beautiful and that 160k would have lasted 6 months at least.

moving overseas might have a lot of legal fees and paper work that wouldn't make it worth it.


mr. brad handled all the money and shit happened. not good on his part when investors are thinking something shady is happening/ed along with the dev team.

[kaev]

Because some people would like to play an EQ clone with visuals from this millennia.

I fail to see why supporting a project that tries to get at the core of what made EQ so great with enhanced visuals is bad.

It's not bad. Sadly, it's not so easy to say that about McQuaid.

[Khaleesi]

The industry seems to want to put a lot on Brad's shoulders. His events of what happened to Vanguard are corroborated, so what exactly was he guilty of then, that makes him suspect now?

[VFBlitz]

The industry seems to want to put a lot on Brad's shoulders. His events of what happened to Vanguard are corroborated, so what exactly was he guilty of then, that makes him suspect now?

I'm sure Brad is a fine programmer and game designer. He has just not had any success as a business leader. I hope he 'self actualizes' and makes a great game for us.

[Sirken]

ITT: a bunch of people that know nothing of game development talking about game development

moving to RnF

[Khaleesi]

ITT: a bunch of people that know nothing of game development talking about game development

moving to RnF

Pot calling the kettle black?


At least you redeemed yourself by moving it to RnF.

[moklianne]

ITT: a bunch of people that know nothing of game development talking about game development

moving to RnF

Yup

[Sirken]

Pot calling the kettle black?
At least you redeemed yourself by moving it to RnF.

im sorry?
where in have you seen me talking about the how the game development process works?

[VFBlitz]

im sorry?
where in have you seen me talking about the how the game development process works?

Yes, Sirken was not being a hypocrite, just being presumptive. Possibly trolling us?

I suspect there are more then a few professional game devs that play p1999. Not a small industry anymore.

-Kharmakaze

[Hailto]

You give your money to an opiate addict this is what you get pals.

[Barkingturtle]

You give your money to an opiate addict this is what you get pals.

Uh, no.

Usually you get at least a blowjob out of it, too.

Meanwhile, Brad didn't even breathe on it.

[Sirelk]

Has brad logged into the Aradune character the p99 staff made for him?

Could he RMT Aradune to help fund "development"? Need staff input on this.

[Champion_Standing]

This is a pretty tame thread to get moved to RnF, must have been some heartbreak involved.

[JayN]

Has brad logged into the Aradune character the p99 staff made for him?

Could he RMT Aradune to help fund "development"? Need staff input on this.

WILL RMT FOR BRAD IF HE CAN PROFORM AS WELL AS RYANTUCK20; HERES YOUR CHANCE BRADLY!

[Champion_Standing]

im sorry?
where in have you seen me talking about the how the game development process works?

But how do you know they don't know anything about it if you don't know anything about it?

[Hailto]

What is your avatar champion? Been trying to figure this out for some time.

[Champion_Standing]

What is your avatar champion? Been trying to figure this out for some time.

It is the trophy for winning Champion Standing that Worf got from a bat'leth tournament in an episode of The Next Generation.

[Hailto]

i c

[Portasaurus]

It is the trophy for winning Champion Standing that Worf got from a bat'leth tournament in an episode of The Next Generation.

Well, technically, that actually depends which universe we're talking about. I distinctly remember him getting awarded 8th place because some asshole used an illegal maneuver on him in battle and the bastard didn't get called out for it!

[Hailto]

Well, technically, that actually depends which universe we're talking about. I distinctly remember him getting awarded 8th place because some asshole used an illegal maneuver on him in battle and the bastard didn't get called out for it!

How is the meat industry?

[Portasaurus]

How is the meat industry?

WT-receive-for-free Sea Dragon Meat

[Hailto]

WT-receive-for-free Sea Dragon Meat

I would help if i could, be playing too much Diablo 3!

[Lune]

iirc worf banged the tight pusses of both jadzia dax and deanni troi

#1 klingon in my book

[Portasaurus]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/train.jpg

[Barkingturtle]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4802080256/hE1179A11/

[Hailto]

barkingturtle best poster

[radditsu]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClP8n6asn3w

[radditsu]

On a continuing mission to spread them thighs

[JayN]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClP8n6asn3w

that shit was off the chain, star pimp over here

[Swish]

It is the trophy for winning Champion Standing that Worf got from a bat'leth tournament in an episode of The Next Generation.

Well, did he win tho? I heard he got 9th place after one opponent performed an illegal move on him. Quite the tinfoil moment.

[Portasaurus]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClP8n6asn3w

Wow. I'm stunned, I cannot believe that I never realized "Picard" totally rhymes with "dick hard"

[Portasaurus]

Well, did he win tho? I heard he got 9th place after one opponent performed an illegal move on him. Quite the tinfoil moment.

i beat you to this like 2 pages ago! :P

[Champion_Standing]

Well, did he win tho? I heard he got 9th place after one opponent performed an illegal move on him. Quite the tinfoil moment.

That happened too, in the wrong timeline, once Worf got back to the right one everything was good and he was 1st place.

[Senix]

where in have you seen me talking about the how the game development process works?

ITT: a bunch of people that know nothing of game development talking about game development


really?

[radditsu]

That happened too, in the wrong timeline, once Worf got back to the right one everything was good and he was 1st place.


It was the only win he had until DS9.

[Tann]

Because some people would like to play an EQ clone with visuals from this millennia.

There in lies the rub..

"some people" is nothing but a microcosm of the current mmo fanbase, no investor is going to risk putting a crap load of money into a throw back game because the 3-4k people who plan on buying it wont result in profits.

sad to say but if its not a post-WoW clone with shiny graphics and unique features it wont see that much needed development $$$ these days.

[Pringles]

Saw this on rerolled and LOL'd pretty hard:

Brad tells the group : oom - out of money

Your group has been disbanded

[Tasslehofp99]

Saw this on rerolled and LOL'd pretty hard:

Brad tells the group : oom - out of money

Your group has been disbanded

rofl

[Ahldagor]

Saw this on rerolled and LOL'd pretty hard:

Brad tells the group : oom - out of money

Your group has been disbanded

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1091/10917958/2364589-1911266886-26e.g.gif

[Xanthias]

So Brad basically RMT'd everything and went to Venezuela right?

[Ahldagor]

So Brad basically RMT'd everything and went to Venezuela right?

hopefully not. highest murder rate in the world atm. costa rica would be nice though.

[thefloydian]

This is a pretty tame thread to get moved to RnF, must have been some heartbreak involved.

Yeah, it's a joke that this got moved to RnF. The devs are just mad this guy made them look silly.

[thefloydian]

"Turn the lights on" isn't a literal thing, but yes, a team of 11 would go through $150k in no-time, even if they were grossly underpaid.

Yeah, no the wouldn't.

[thefloydian]

To repeat: They got that money like a month ago. Brad admitted they don't even really know how much money came in. The other devs were blindsided by the news and most of them are saying they weren't getting paid shit to work from home. So unless Brad is paying himself like 50k a month for doing nothing they horribly mismanaged the money.

Not to mention, this story about them wanting to only develop a prototype to shop to "angel investors" from the beginning is horse shit. If Brad really though this is how things were going to play out from the beginning it was completely irresponsible to take people's money in the first place.

[thefloydian]

Did some more reading, and it appears Brad decided to "backpay" everyone on the team for however many months of work (if you can call it that) they put in before the kickstarter. If that's the case it was basically just stealing money when they opened up that new site. They basically said "Well, we did all this "work" on something that doesn't actually exist and feel like we should be compensated. So just give us some money, OK?" If you were going to backpay people there was no way 150k was ever going to do anything other than empty dumb people's bank accounts.

[Karkona]

in other news: Lord British still kicking a shit ton of ass with his development

Brad McQuaid the hustler,
Peter Molyneux the snake oil salesman,
Lord British doing God's work.

[Fame]

what happened to the money at this point.

http://www.investwithalex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/overdose-investwithalex.jpg

[Quineloe]

i beat you to this like 2 pages ago! :P

Except you were wrong about it being 8th place

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Parallels

[myriverse]

To repeat: They got that money like a month ago. Brad admitted they don't even really know how much money came in. The other devs were blindsided by the news and most of them are saying they weren't getting paid shit to work from home. So unless Brad is paying himself like 50k a month for doing nothing they horribly mismanaged the money.

Not to mention, this story about them wanting to only develop a prototype to shop to "angel investors" from the beginning is horse shit. If Brad really though this is how things were going to play out from the beginning it was completely irresponsible to take people's money in the first place.
It's not like the project just started a month ago. It's been rolling for a while and incurring debt along the way. By the time the Kickstarter even started they were behind. Heck, the Kickstarter ended about 2 months ago.

Does it say anywhere that the project is ending? Nope. Just slowing, and they will definitely NEED to slow if they want to stretch what's left of that $150k, which is really about 1% of what they really need for a serious project.

[Danth]

Yeah, it's a joke that this got moved to RnF. The devs are just mad this guy made them look silly.

In fairness it's much more likely the powers that be here simply wish to remain on positive terms with the Pantheon folks, come what may. There's nothing to be gained in burning bridges.

Danth

[Portasaurus]

Except you were wrong about it being 8th place

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Parallels

Ack! I have failed nerds everywhere.

http://s15.postimg.org/u34npqex7/forgivenessplease.jpg

[Nirgon]

Lot of people here hate classic features like no map anyways

[Byrjun]

My favorite part was Brad's response when he was asked if he will release information on where the $160,000 was spent, like the Star Citizen devs did w/ their donated funds.

"No."

This game doesn't even have a design doc, which could be written up in a week for free. Feels pretty scammy at this point.

[Champion_Standing]

It was the only win he had until DS9.

This is actually true, i googled furiously in an attempt to refute such slander...but no luck.

[radditsu]

This is actually true, i googled furiously in an attempt to refute such slander...but no luck.

Do not even PRETEND to think google knows more about DS9 as i do.


Memory Alpha don't have shit on me.

[radditsu]

I mean Worf had a moral victory when he was in the Klingon Civil War thing from TNG.


But for almost the entirety of TNG he was a punching bag for whatever strong mighty thing they had to go up against that week. Then...he got fucking GLORIOUS when he went to the Prison Camp and Owned all those Jem`Hadar. From then on Worf fucked ******s up left and right.


Fuck he couldnt even win against the borg in the DEFIANT in First Contact. A Ship Designed to fuck up the Borg Cubes.

Best TNG movie, worst moment of the franchise.

[Glenzig]

I mean Worf had a moral victory when he was in the Klingon Civil War thing from TNG.


But for almost the entirety of TNG he was a punching bag for whatever strong mighty thing they had to go up against that week. Then...he got fucking GLORIOUS when he went to the Prison Camp and Owned all those Jem`Hadar. From then on Worf fucked ******s up left and right.


Fuck he couldnt even win against the borg in the DEFIANT in First Contact. A Ship Designed to fuck up the Borg Cubes.

Best TNG movie, worst moment of the franchise.

Ka'Pla!!!

[Nuggie]

Wth are you guys talking about at this point?

[Barkingturtle]

http://i.imgur.com/DQS0Czm.gif

[Estolcles]

http://i.imgur.com/DQS0Czm.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Xanatos.JPG

[Lune]

I wish I had a chance to know that Jean-Luc Picard... :3 (http://youtu.be/pf9oD_xl8mI)

[radditsu]

I wish the worf show happened

[thefloydian]

My favorite part was Brad's response when he was asked if he will release information on where the $160,000 was spent, like the Star Citizen devs did w/ their donated funds.

"No."

This game doesn't even have a design doc, which could be written up in a week for free. Feels pretty scammy at this point.

It really does seem illegal at this point when you consider he's still accepting money on the site even though the game is dead.

[Shinko]

hookers and blow

[nilzark]

I wish the worf show happened

http://a.gifb.in/g655115633g6.gif

[thefloydian]

Devs came on KTAM Radio tonight and told us what we already know: Brad is either a complete moron or a complete moron who stole 160k.

[Grimfan]

Brad payed each dev 10k for 50 days of work.

The devs complaining are money hungry assholes.

Pras Brad

If that is true, then they got paid pretty well for their part in things.

[LostCause]

This shit is going to get ugly. Pretty sure McQuaid took the money and went on a vicodin bender. :eek:

didn't see that coming LOL.....

[moklianne]

He also flew 10 people out to san diego and fed/sheltered them.

That is not cheap either.

Whiny ass babies. Developers are replaceable


I was most impressed with the lore and concept art teams. From the rest of the work I've seen, everyone else could easily be replaced with newbies out of college/training.

[Swish]

I mean Worf had a moral victory when he was in the Klingon Civil War thing from TNG.


But for almost the entirety of TNG he was a punching bag for whatever strong mighty thing they had to go up against that week. Then...he got fucking GLORIOUS when he went to the Prison Camp and Owned all those Jem`Hadar. From then on Worf fucked ******s up left and right.


Fuck he couldnt even win against the borg in the DEFIANT in First Contact. A Ship Designed to fuck up the Borg Cubes.

Best TNG movie, worst moment of the franchise.

All the TNG movies were shit. They compromised too much for the big screen, had to have them Data "funnies" in there every time, and I don't remember her name but the black girl in First Contact was a terrible character #notracist

The best TNG was the final 3 seasons, tons of good episodes.

As for Worf I thought he was a good addition to DS9, but the Quark/Odo interactions were the best thing going for the entire 7 seasons ;)

[radditsu]

All the TNG movies were shit. They compromised too much for the big screen, had to have them Data "funnies" in there every time, and I don't remember her name but the black girl in First Contact was a terrible character #notracist

The best TNG was the final 3 seasons, tons of good episodes.

As for Worf I thought he was a good addition to DS9, but the Quark/Odo interactions were the best thing going for the entire 7 seasons ;)

The klingon character development is really stong. Mar'tok was a great character. But that odo/quark cat and mouse shit was fantastic for any era of television.

[Swish]

Paramount are missing a trick. If they moved away from the Federation and made a Klingon Empire based Star Trek with a strong plot line, Game of Thrones levels of violence/brutality... they could redeem themselves from their last attempt at a series. "Enterprise" sucked.

I liked Mar'tok, I liked it even better that the real one was locked away in the gamma quadrant for so long ;)

[Quineloe]

Problem is nerds need hot girls to look at, this is part of GoT's success. Klingon females are.. well....

[Swish]

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/233/a/d/klingon_woman_close_up_by_willdial-d5by3iu.jpg

[myriverse]

GoT's women seem kinda "plain jane" compared to Klingons.

[moklianne]

GoT's women seem kinda "plain jane" compared to Klingons.

To be accurate for the era, fake boobs can't exist.

[nilzark]

Quark single handedly carried DS9 - guy was brilliant actor.

[Ahldagor]

Paramount are missing a trick. If they moved away from the Federation and made a Klingon Empire based Star Trek with a strong plot line, Game of Thrones levels of violence/brutality... they could redeem themselves from their last attempt at a series. "Enterprise" sucked.

I liked Mar'tok, I liked it even better that the real one was locked away in the gamma quadrant for so long ;)

that could be good

[Grimfan]

160k is not a lot of money.

After paying taxes and handing out whatever he did to his team (who accomplished next to nothing and barely deserved whatever pay they did recieve) I doubt he was left with much at all... MAYBE 60k. Maybe.

So you guessed he paid them 10k each, you're not really sure what he paid them. I believe one of them said he didn't pay them enough to pay their mortgage and bills. For me living in a pretty nice house that's about 2200$ a month if you only include internet/gas/electric/mortgage, phone is another 400 or so. I live in Texas though, and my house was only 220k, but I imagine these dudes do not live in much better.

If he wasn't paying them enough to live on, then I'm unsure what he did with the 160k.

[thefloydian]

The devs come out against Brad, followed by a pathetic attempt at damage control: http://173.193.205.96:2197/ondemand/ktamradio/Thursday%20Dev%20Panel%20April%2017%202014.mp3

[thefloydian]

devs shooting themselves in the foot.

If you want a stable paycheck, don't work for a startup.
If you don't want to work for Brad, then don't work for Brad.

Instead we have some toxic devs crying about how they don't like Brad and sticking around to eat his table scraps.

Yeah, the whole thing is an embarrassment. I'm sure Brad deserves most of the blame, but these guys got pretty much nothing done over the course of at least 2 or 3 months.

[phacemeltar]

the post that p99 devs made to announce the kickstarter was filled with people saying this was going to happen.. ironic

[Khaleesi]

the post that p99 devs made to announce the kickstarter was filled with people saying this was going to happen.. ironic

and yet...

ITT: a bunch of people that know nothing of game development talking about game development

...



What I found most disturbing, was how in each of the interviews the other staff/developers talked like they were reading a prompter or had memorized a script. It sounded way too corporate and politically correct. Developers and engineers are meant to be pure and a bit socially awkward. Listening to those guys made me think it wasn't going to actually happen.

[Quineloe]

(who accomplished next to nothing and barely deserved whatever pay they did recieve)[



This.

They had fuck all to show for after months of "work"

[Barkingturtle]

I think odds are pretty good Brad McQuaid hangs himself before summer ends.

[Tasslehofp99]

I think odds are pretty good Brad McQuaid hangs himself before summer ends.

I'm going to put my money on a dope overdose...

[nilzark]

I think it is interesting that they continue to update the website and create "Lore" regardless of actual game development coding. This game might be worth a look when it is released in 2025, about the time we land the first person on Mars.

[Quineloe]

No one gives a fuck about lore and they know that. Lore is just the by far easiest thing to "produce" so they can pretend to be busy while they actually just do fuck all.

[Ahldagor]

no one going to mars then. gonna take a whole new coping of suicide to do that cause they're not coming back.

[thefloydian]

I would really like someone to ask the devs what they actually did over the course of two months. All these people at KTAM seem to have a hardon for them, but they don't really come off much better than Brad in this situation.

[Leeyuuduu]

I believe one of them said he didn't pay them enough to pay their mortgage and bills. For me living in a pretty nice house that's about 2200$ a month if you only include internet/gas/electric/mortgage, phone is another 400 or so. I live in Texas though, and my house was only 220k, but I imagine these dudes do not live in much better.

If he wasn't paying them enough to live on, then I'm unsure what he did with the 160k.

I need money to pay my mortgage and bills..so I'm going to hop on a kickstarter where they promise me backpay!

What are people thinking??:confused:

[Grimfan]

I need money to pay my mortgage and bills..so I'm going to hop on a kickstarter where they promise me backpay!

What are people thinking??:confused:

I'm guessing he wasn't banking on the back-pay being much at all. A lot of people (especially writers like myself) would love to be on staff to make a MMO regardless of how much you're being paid if the project is real. The issue is that it sounds like the project was kind of vaporware to me. :/

[thefloydian]

Salim came on KTAM tonight and said Brad paid himself a crazy salary and killed the project.

[Tasslehofp99]

Salim came on KTAM tonight and said Brad paid himself a crazy salary and killed the project.

LOL gg

[thefloydian]

ITT: a bunch of people that know nothing of game development talking about game development

moving to RnF

ITT: A mod buries a legit thread because he's embarrassed to have supported a con man.

[drktmplr12]

this thread is far from legit and possesses a very low degree of meaningful discussion.

[thefloydian]

this thread is far from legit and possesses a very low degree of meaningful discussion.

This is the only thread on this entire site that has mentioned the fact that Brad's own development team thinks he scammed them. Brad is a guy the developers of this supported openly. They then locked this thread for no reason other than their own embarrassment.

And since when did the P99 server chat forum have "meaningful discussion" as a prerequisite?

In conclusion: You're a moron and you should probably stop posting here.

[thefloydian]

Could you link the video or audio? I cant find it

They'll probably post it on KTAM at some point. I doubt it's up yet.

[Portasaurus]

For as little as it might be worth: I thought it was bullshit that this thread was sent to RnF, as well, especially *when* it was sent. Thread simply was / is not toxic and not RnF material, especially when you consider the other kinds of threads that get moved.

I have actually been kind of relying on this kind of post to keep me updated on what's going on with that train-wreck of a project, as information online is scattered and scarce, and thefloydian has been somewhat of a PRotF aggregator.

In closing: let us out of your mind box, maaaaaan!

[Frug]

devs shooting themselves in the foot.

If you want a stable paycheck, don't work for a startup.
If you don't want to work for Brad, then don't work for Brad.

Instead we have some toxic devs crying about how they don't like Brad and sticking around to eat his table scraps.

I'm a developer (though not for gaming) and although your fungibility argument is popular with management types and generally not true, this bit is on the money.

[Frug]

This is the only thread on this entire site that has mentioned the fact that Brad's own development team thinks he scammed them. Brad is a guy the developers of this supported openly. They then locked this thread for no reason other than their own embarrassment.

And since when did the P99 server chat forum have "meaningful discussion" as a prerequisite?

In conclusion: You're a moron and you should probably stop posting here.

You seem oddly angry and obsessed with this. How much money are you out?

[SamwiseRed]

Salim came on KTAM tonight and said Brad paid himself a crazy salary and killed the project.

got prof?

[drktmplr12]

This is the only thread on this entire site that has mentioned the fact that Brad's own development team thinks he scammed them. Brad is a guy the developers of this supported openly. They then locked this thread for no reason other than their own embarrassment.

And since when did the P99 server chat forum have "meaningful discussion" as a prerequisite?

In conclusion: You're a moron and you should probably stop posting here.

i know its your thread and i'm kinda of upset it was moved too, but take a fucking breath man. stand up. do some jumping jacks. i meant no offense so please accept my apologies.

thanks for collecting the information into one place so we can follow.

[Champion_Standing]

For as little as it might be worth: I thought it was bullshit that this thread was sent to RnF, as well, especially *when* it was sent. Thread simply was / is not toxic and not RnF material, especially when you consider the other kinds of threads that get moved.

I have actually been kind of relying on this kind of post to keep me updated on what's going on with that train-wreck of a project, as information online is scattered and scarce, and thefloydian has been somewhat of a PRotF aggregator.

In closing: let us out of your mind box, maaaaaan!

First thread ever to get moved to RNF because the posters in it were discussing a topic that they didn't know enough about.

[Ahldagor]

when the dev talk was happening thread got moved out of server chat. if it was off topic it proly would've stayed.

wouldn't be surprised if mr. brad paid himself nicely. ego a hell of thing regardless of the troughs.

[Daldolma]

lol brad mcquaid

[Grimfan]

Salim came on KTAM tonight and said Brad paid himself a crazy salary and killed the project.

Man if that's actually true that is really shitty. I'm pretty upset about this, I feel like the dude has definitely screwed the pooch on this one.

[DeruIsLove]

How did anyone not possibly see this after Vanguard?

[Grahm]

Literally google the simple letters"Brad Mc" and "Brad McQuaid Drug Abuser" is 4th on the list. nuff said.

As much as we all wud of liked this game 2 of happened, shits expensive (150k literally nothing), hard to make, and in honesty probably wouldn't of worked had it came to alpha/beta. There is a reason why WoW is the biggest game since 2004. This thread is in RnF and probably most fitting section, there is literally 5k ppl on the server at best, and already non-stop crying/obsession/etc about the top guild at the time/blackburrow fangs gone/etc again. Now imagine the server population even quadrupled.

Yall don't want a new game, yall want something you dont know. But it todays age, literally spoiler guides to content before it even comes out. The same complaints us 20ish year old will have when we're older. "This shit sucks, we had REAL music back in our day. Justin Beiber and Lady Gaga" Nothing will ever be the same, and really nothing close to it unless something even crazier than a MMORPG comes out.

Now, 60k for an opiate addiction, thats very easily about a year of bein fucked up. He could have made prolly double/triple the cash but Brad wanted 2 cash out and get fucked up NOW! After that though, agreed we will read about a Brad suicide or stupid overdose. YOLO.

[Khaleesi]

First thread ever to get moved to RNF because the posters in it were discussing a topic that they didn't know enough about.

Good ol' Sirken..

[BigHurb]

"Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death, nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff: so when he fell down, the jinn saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating penalty (of their task)." (Qurʾan 34:14)

[Grimfan]

Literally google the simple letters"Brad Mc" and "Brad McQuaid Drug Abuser" is 4th on the list. nuff said.

As much as we all wud of liked this game 2 of happened, shits expensive (150k literally nothing), hard to make, and in honesty probably wouldn't of worked had it came to alpha/beta. There is a reason why WoW is the biggest game since 2004. This thread is in RnF and probably most fitting section, there is literally 5k ppl on the server at best, and already non-stop crying/obsession/etc about the top guild at the time/blackburrow fangs gone/etc again. Now imagine the server population even quadrupled.

Yall don't want a new game, yall want something you dont know. But it todays age, literally spoiler guides to content before it even comes out. The same complaints us 20ish year old will have when we're older. "This shit sucks, we had REAL music back in our day. Justin Beiber and Lady Gaga" Nothing will ever be the same, and really nothing close to it unless something even crazier than a MMORPG comes out.

Now, 60k for an opiate addiction, thats very easily about a year of bein fucked up. He could have made prolly double/triple the cash but Brad wanted 2 cash out and get fucked up NOW! After that though, agreed we will read about a Brad suicide or stupid overdose. YOLO.

Forget about all the stuff that you said about Brad, or the fact you are mouthing off about it because this is the RNF forum for a second. Who the fuck do you think you are that you know what we do or do not want? Also, and I'm really tired of hearing this, but why the hell do you think EverQuest is a liked game. People think it's because it was our first foray into MMOs, or maybe it's because of nostalgia. Here's what I would like to propose, and you probably won't like it because I doubt your brain can handle the concept; EverQuest is the definition of perfect chaos.

EverQuest was created by a team of people that had very little game design experience, very little foresight into game mechanics, and shit is imbalanced as all fuck, but it's perfect. The reason that it's perfect is because it takes chances and it rolls with ideas. It is fearless. WoW was a perfect storm building off of the success of games previous to it and exploding into something uncontrollable, and it has brought down and sunk every single MMO that has released since it. It is actually such a large anomaly that every MMO that competes with it should just have never existed.

People don't want a new game, they want a BETTER EverQuest, they want an EverQuest that has current graphics, has a non-clunky interface, a game that actually has consequences for what your fucking character does in the stupid fucking game. They want mechanics that are punishing and unforgiving and they want the journey to the top to mean something more than just following quest hubs and getting to the max level to raid.

They wanted Vanguard. Something that people don't talk much about, but something I know and I'm sure several others do as well, but not very long after the release of World of Warcraft and the success that it garnered, there was a memo that went out to the teams of people working on MMOs and they were asked to make their games more like WoW. Thus the SWG new combat, thus many of the other directional changes that Sony took in regards to EverQuest, EverQuest 2, etc. No one wanted Brad's vision, not even Sony after they bought Sigil.

The point I'm making is that people are greedy, and I am tired of assholes telling me what I do or do not want. I don't want EverQuest with new graphics, I just want a game that is better than EverQuest and has some fucking balls. I want a game that is smarter than me just running a treadmill.

[Nirgon]

I just want to get dispel mechanics right here

[Champion_Standing]

"Brad McQuaid didn’t do shit. (News Flash?) He’s had an opiate addiction for years now, which only got progressively worse as the project failed. His cumulative face time with sigil designers in the most crucial final years of development? Approx: 15 minutes. And some of the time was spent begging for legitimately acquired narcotics (Or in times of desperation, jacking them from people’s desk)."

[Zadrian]

The dude rides motorcycles - how can anyone have an opium addiction when they ride?

Boggles the mind

[BigHurb]

he uses meth on the road

[Grahm]

Forget about all the stuff that you said about Brad, or the fact you are mouthing off about it because this is the RNF forum for a second. Who the fuck do you think you are that you know what we do or do not want? Also, and I'm really tired of hearing this, but why the hell do you think EverQuest is a liked game. People think it's because it was our first foray into MMOs, or maybe it's because of nostalgia. Here's what I would like to propose, and you probably won't like it because I doubt your brain can handle the concept; EverQuest is the definition of perfect chaos.

EverQuest was created by a team of people that had very little game design experience, very little foresight into game mechanics, and shit is imbalanced as all fuck, but it's perfect. The reason that it's perfect is because it takes chances and it rolls with ideas. It is fearless. WoW was a perfect storm building off of the success of games previous to it and exploding into something uncontrollable, and it has brought down and sunk every single MMO that has released since it. It is actually such a large anomaly that every MMO that competes with it should just have never existed.

People don't want a new game, they want a BETTER EverQuest, they want an EverQuest that has current graphics, has a non-clunky interface, a game that actually has consequences for what your fucking character does in the stupid fucking game. They want mechanics that are punishing and unforgiving and they want the journey to the top to mean something more than just following quest hubs and getting to the max level to raid.

They wanted Vanguard. Something that people don't talk much about, but something I know and I'm sure several others do as well, but not very long after the release of World of Warcraft and the success that it garnered, there was a memo that went out to the teams of people working on MMOs and they were asked to make their games more like WoW. Thus the SWG new combat, thus many of the other directional changes that Sony took in regards to EverQuest, EverQuest 2, etc. No one wanted Brad's vision, not even Sony after they bought Sigil.

The point I'm making is that people are greedy, and I am tired of assholes telling me what I do or do not want. I don't want EverQuest with new graphics, I just want a game that is better than EverQuest and has some fucking balls. I want a game that is smarter than me just running a treadmill.

First: People don't want a new game, they want a BETTER EverQuest, they want an EverQuest that has current graphics

Followed by: I don't want EverQuest with new graphics,

Hard 2 argue against that, I guess. n u just agreed with what I was sayin in your rage filled post.

Who the fuck do you think you are that you know what we do or do not want? .

Skeeter Valentine. dont fuck with the silver skeeter yo

[HeallunRumblebelly]

First: People don't want a new game, they want a BETTER EverQuest, they want an EverQuest that has current graphics

Followed by: I don't want EverQuest with new graphics,

Hard 2 argue against that, I guess. n u just agreed with what I was sayin in your rage filled post.



Skeeter Valentine. dont fuck with the silver skeeter yo

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3356/doug1xa5ep8.jpg

[Nirgon]

More lucky than exploit

Honk honk!

[BigHurb]

our frustrations in this microcosm mirror the reality of an old world in ashes that we never saw

[Champion_Standing]

good read here full of some real gold concerning Vanguard development.

http://www.thegrouchygamer.com/?p=80

"It was pretty shocking (and just lame) to hear John Smedly actually get angry and complain to people after the layoff’s that he, “didn’t know what he was buying.” He even expressed anger at Jeff and Brad for bamboozlin’ him."

[Grimfan]

First: People don't want a new game, they want a BETTER EverQuest, they want an EverQuest that has current graphics

Followed by: I don't want EverQuest with new graphics,

Hard 2 argue against that, I guess. n u just agreed with what I was sayin in your rage filled post.



Skeeter Valentine. dont fuck with the silver skeeter yo

Sorry, the game I described wasn't EverQuest, I wasn't sure if you would get it or not, your brain doesn't seem to function that well.

[Grahm]

People don't want a new game, they want a BETTER EverQuest, they want an EverQuest that has current graphics, has a non-clunky interface, a game that actually has consequences for what your fucking character does in the stupid fucking game. They want mechanics that are punishing and unforgiving and they want the journey to the top to mean something more than just following quest hubs and getting to the max level to raid.


Honk honk!

[thefloydian]

It's widely agreed upon by all parties that this project took in roughly 145 thousand dollars. A large chunk of that money, 35k, came from a single individual who promised another couple hundred thousand once he cleared it with his trust. Brad was having personal problems at the time and needed to take a cash advance from the project. He took roughly three months pay in advance which equaled roughly 38% of the funds that were left. Brad thought the rest of the money would come in, but the trust supervisor declined without even looking into the project. Reason being, he didn't want to be sued if the start up failed. Brad admits that it was a mistake and wishes things worked out differently but the money is spent and there isn't anything he can do. He then went on to express that he was sorry for how it happened and is planning on liquidating personal assets to put the funds back into the project.

From an interview Brad gave on a private teamspeak server set up by a community member. If this is the spin he's putting on it, I'd hate to see how shady the actual story is.

[nilzark]

Better graphics falls into that uncanny valley thing.

[Grimfan]

From an interview Brad gave on a private teamspeak server set up by a community member. If this is the spin he's putting on it, I'd hate to see how shady the actual story is.

Brad has been tweeting recently about how the game is not dead. Put some new stuff on their Facebook, just says he needs more money. Seems like he'll have to go with different developers if anyone even trusts him again.

[thefloydian]

Brad has been tweeting recently about how the game is not dead. Put some new stuff on their Facebook, just says he needs more money. Seems like he'll have to go with different developers if anyone even trusts him again.

He's just openly asking people to donate money to his drug habit at this point.

[Toodles]

Brad has been tweeting recently about how the game is not dead. Put some new stuff on their Facebook, just says he needs more money. Seems like he'll have to go with different developers if anyone even trusts him again.

He should take on twice as many people, but part time. Some he won't have to pay - there's thousands if not millions of programmers out there willing to work for free (when they can spare the time) - the experience alone is priceless.

Once a year or so passes, and they can show something tangible to an investor, then maybe it will move forward.

[radditsu]

I just want Zelda+dark souls combat. Link is a cypher
Its time to make him able to branch out combat wise.

[thefloydian]

http://i.imgur.com/ci9eXtq.jpg

Since deleted from facebook. The woman is the wife of one of the developers.

[Wrench]

beatingadeadhorse.gif

[Champion_Standing]

http://i.imgur.com/ci9eXtq.jpg

Since deleted from facebook. The woman is the wife of one of the developers.

wtf I wanna see more!

[thefloydian]

beatingadeadhorse.gif

You might be right if he wasn't currently trying to start an indiegogo campaign to scam more people out of more cash. He's also trying to con would-be game designers into working on a "volunteer" basis.

[Ennewi]

this was on the front page of Reddit's gaming subreddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/24rnk9/why_did_your_crowdfunded_mmo_fail_maybe_because/

http://i.imgur.com/kd38yHc.png

[Millburn]

http://i.imgur.com/kd38yHc.png

[justin2090]

https://sp2.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608005960078917770&pid=15.1

[thefloydian]

https://sp2.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608005960078917770&pid=15.1

The only people beating a dead horse at this point are the people posting about beating dead horses. Very meta.

[Millburn]

http://i.imgur.com/ci9eXtq.jpg

[Haynar]

Oops.

I figured Brad was loaded with millions.

Guessed wrong.

H

[Rettj]

Why did P99 push us so hard to invest in a sloppy drug addict that's embezzling money donated to a video game startup?

[Rettj]

Donate to pantheon, receive p99 pixels


















Looool

[Haynar]

Hind sight looks good huh?

Who would of thunk there would be such big issues?

H

[Millburn]

All the people who went through similar experiences with Sigil.

[Cymeon]

Why did P99 push us so hard to invest in a sloppy drug addict that's embezzling money donated to a video game startup?

lol because thats 90% of the player base

[Rogean]

$45k / 3 / 4 * 52 = $195k / year.

....

[Haynar]

$45k / 3 / 4 * 52 = $195k / year.

....
And you still have to have a source of cash flow to maintain the paychecks.

Stick a fork in that project.

[r00t]

Yea, a little surprised he isn't in prison for fraud/embezzlement yet

embezzlement - the purpose of conversion (theft) of assets by one or more individuals to whom such assets have been entrusted, to be held and/or used for other purposes

[jaybone]

http://i.imgur.com/DvLy1hI.jpg

[Circu]

Not sure if you guys still followed information on the game after the failed kickstarter, but I saw thread while browsing reddit and thought it was interesting

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/24rnk9/why_did_your_crowdfunded_mmo_fail_maybe_because/

[Castigate]

Better question, is that offer to resurrect his character and make him an honorary GM still on the table?

[Potus]

LOL that money all went to drugs.

[phacemeltar]

http://i.imgur.com/kd38yHc.png

[phacemeltar]

lol i just posted this here without even checking.

i saw it on reddit front page, i guess BMQ is famous now

[Kazi]

So he spent money that didn't exist based on a promise? Whatever.

[khanable]

pillz yo

[XDrake]

http://i.imgur.com/kd38yHc.png

[Circu]

Guy took 3 months advance pay, and is now asking people to work for free

[Rettj]

Rogean, thoughts?

[SangahSong]

Better question, is that offer to resurrect his character and make him an honorary GM still on the table?

Would have to rename Real Money Transfers to Real Pill Transfers.

[Tasslehofp99]

Donate to pantheon, receive p99 pixels


Looool

http://i.imgur.com/DvLy1hI.jpg

Better question, is that offer to resurrect his character and make him an honorary GM still on the table?

lol

[Eslade]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50512_19627374720_3942_n.jpg

[Koota]

Kickstarters are the cardboard signs of the internet.

[Nirgon]

Hard to watch this happen to pixel Elvis

[r00t]

Brad McQuaaludes

[Thulack]

Hind sight looks good huh?

Who would of thunk there would be such big issues?

H

Everyone and Anyone that knew who Brad was....Pretty sure everyone expected the same out of him thats why the project wasnt getting the funding it probably should have.

[Gongshow]

Beer before liquor, never been sicker. Liquor before Xanax, how the fuck did we end up in Milwaukee?

[Swish]

So does that mean there's no XP pots? ;)

[Millburn]

It's almost as if I made a thread about this hours ago.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149745

[Swish]

It's almost as if I made a thread about this hours ago.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149745

[Genedin]

Beer before liquor, never been sicker. Liquor before Xanax, how the fuck did we end up in Milwaukee?

Ha

"How did I make so many new friends"

[Potus]

Hey guys have you seen some of the alpha screens?

http://i.imgur.com/BKztl.png

Trolls need to stop skipping leg day.

[phacemeltar]

sorry for that, i rushed to post here right as i saw it on reddit.. clicked new posts after that and realized my mistake.

[Rogean]

Front page of reddit can often include targetted articles from the subreddits you browse. So it isn't necessarily the same for everyone.

[JayN]

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/169978/burger.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBV38QlmayU

[JayN]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50512_19627374720_3942_n.jpg

[Haynar]

Hey guys have you seen some of the alpha screens?

http://i.imgur.com/BKztl.png

Trolls need to stop skipping leg day.

Bastards photoshop'd a freaking troll head on my ex-wife!!!!!

[GnashingOfTeeth]

wow. not happy on this. donated $4.20 on this. glad i bought him a tall boy or two.
wonder if ryanj donated.

[Strifer]

brad after getting tons of coke monies

http://i.imgur.com/h3imQSu.gif

[Portasaurus]

brad after getting tons of coke monies

http://i.imgur.com/h3imQSu.gif

This is what I do, I sit on you!!! Right on your head.

Fuckin love this guy

[Ahldagor]

start messing with money and folks ain't gonna trust you. has anyone seen if mr. brad still has all his digits?

[heartbrand]

Ya but how's ur tomatoes coming along?


(Also kick starters only debit you if they meet the goal which it didn't)

[Tassador]

Game looks like absolute shit. Dress up a pig you still got a pig.

[drilemcbit]

Kickstarters are the cardboard signs of the internet.

[phacemeltar]

RIP Rellapse

[Beastro]

Brad's little clique and their cultish mentality are the most amusing thing about this.

[Swish]

Brad's little clique and their cultish mentality are the most amusing thing about this.

^^

[Swish]

It's like trusting a crack addict not to steal from you while he's in your house.

Any credibility he had left has vanished I think. Taking 3 months pay in advance was a horrible move, and on a yearly salary of almost $200,000? I'd love to see Pantheon, but ole BMQ just wants to get rich quick while his dev team works for free. It's all wrong, avoid it.

I trust some people to develop something similar through Steam... the "classic" MMORPG market is waiting to be tapped again.

[JayN]

Hind sight looks good huh?

Who would of thunk there would be such big issues?

H

ever hear of vanguard ?

Many of us where crying foul before he stole the guild bank and bounced

[Kergan]

People actually donated to that kickstarter because they gave a shit about Pantheon? I just wanted guise/fungi staff nameen?

[heartbrand]

People actually donated to that kickstarter because they gave a shit about Pantheon? I just wanted guise/fungi staff nameen?

[Zalaerian]

How is this not fraud?

[Colgate]

i honestly cannot believe that anyone donated to it at all for any reason whatsoever