Naw, Give Red Features not Blue with PvP Enabled

[SamwiseRed]

Warning: I want to make red fun and entertaining. Nothing else matters really. There is absolutely no reason for blues to come over here for any other reason than to contest dragons right now. We offer basically nothing for casuals here. Let's change that.

Remove Hybrid penalty now - this will be an incentive for new players who love hybrids. it will also promote grouping seeing as how the biggest detriment to grouping with a hybrid right now is their penalty.

Remove scaling bonus. Instead have a 2x xp rate 1-60. No need to complicate things.

Legacy items - People want to re-live classic pvp. Classic PvP isnt classic without fighting over these camps. Guise does nothing balance wise but would be highly, highly contested. Manastone, rubicite. Give casuals camps to fight over because right now its just dragons.

Binding in TD Enabled - Enable TD binding on red to make places more accessible, why should new players be punished for not finding red sooner?

Enable Soul Binders - You have no idea how hard it is to get a port let alone a bind up in here. You want to help casuals without making EQ easy mode, here is a no brainer.

4 level pvp range - duh

In-game leaderboard - You could even do what LoZ did and disable losses.

why not try these things "for science?" it's not like pop could get any lower.

[SamwiseRed]

These changes are for casuals aka the Blues. Notice when the xp bonus everyone who was already on the server stayed (shocker i know) and all the new players from blue bounced. That is because they are casual. Basically blue has all the incentives for casuals. Easier xp, bigger pop, item recharging, ect. These changes will give incentives for non red bloods to come over here.

[SamwiseRed]

i just think its odd that the staff would entertain the idea of item loot, removing ooc, and even last night a "purge" event but will dismiss the above ideas without a second thought.k triple post rage done. sorry about that pals.

[Fame]

All for it, reparations yo.

[Recycled Children]

Pras Samwise. I fully support this thread.

[Imago]

purge event?

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/IiF8SfE.gif

[Fame]

Thursday night fights Fridays, can finally plan me week

[Zoolander]

no firepots for you, iam sorry.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/LV3q4C3.gif

[Galacticus]

no firepots for you, iam sorry.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-u8QPXDmvu2k/Ur_-Ba4_3kI/AAAAAAAAPlQ/JOuxCz0hr7w/s1600/Sam-no.gif

[SamwiseRed]

good gif

[Potus]

All characters under level 45 with epics can be permakilled.

[rollin5k]

thats a nice wish list

[sunmilk]

An excellent set of suggestions, through and through. I think everyone on this server wants two things: 1) more people, and 2) more pvp. Well, I'm not sure about #2 given how much crying I see on the daily about getting pvped in ooc... but I think we ALL want a bigger population.

The best way to increase numbers is to provide incentives to new players that will make starting out here (and thus "competing" with people on this "free for all" server) easier. Sam has listed a great set of incentives that would benefit new players (and thus be likely to increase newplayer and returning player population) and help the server thrive.

Incentives like these will attract more players which will help return the server to a healthier population as developers continue to work towards Velious. It is important that the population is not in a desperate state as the game world grows dramatically with release of the next expansion.

[thugcruncher]

sam wise sam wise sam wise sam wise sam wise

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[thugcruncher]

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[Fame]

Will never troll again if even one wish here is granted.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4775002/rudy-jersey-o.gif

[dethbringre]

Samwise for Prez

[JPMorgan]

Sam the man: yes they can.

[kank]

I agree with your goal, and your ideas.

[dethbringre]

Too bad the ones who implement these great ideas don't agree with them :(

[Rellapse40]

sam should of been in that skype chat to rep the players

Zade is 2 new

[Rystar]

Remove Hybrid penalty now - this will be an incentive for new players who love hybrids. it will also promote grouping seeing as how the biggest detriment to grouping with a hybrid right now is their penalty.

Remove scaling bonus. Instead have a 2x xp rate 1-60. No need to complicate things.

Legacy items - People want to re-live classic pvp. Classic PvP isnt classic without fighting over these camps. Guise does nothing balance wise but would be highly, highly contested. Manastone, rubicite. Give casuals camps to fight over because right now its just dragons.

Enable Soul Binders - You have no idea how hard it is to get a port let alone a bind up in here. You want to help casuals without making EQ easy mode, here is a no brainer.

4 level pvp range - duh



Lets start with this adjusted list first. Good post

[Vile]

would play again

[SamwiseRed]

2 things on the list just got announced.

4 level range and static xp bonus (with an addional group xp bonus)

pras

[Imago]

what? what happened?

proof?

[Derubael]

what? what happened?

proof?

When Sirken uploads the stream to Youtube, I'll make a thread with a queued up link.

We gave something special to our Red Supercast viewers tonight in the form of advanced info on changes and when they're happening :)

[rollin5k]

Awesome

[Vile]

2 things on the list just got announced.

4 level range and static xp bonus (with an addional group xp bonus)

pras

more info on this static xp "bonus"?

[VincentVolaju]

more info on this static xp "bonus"?

Most likely will be a 100% global 1-60, and then group bonus will prob be stacking bonus per group member added.

[SamwiseRed]

i hope its 2x xp (200%) static but well see.

[Vile]

so the XP bonus removal of recent has been deemed a failure?

[SamwiseRed]

i aint goin there. lets just pras :)

[Faerie]

Why do people like leaderboards so much? That kinda thing is for like WoW-style battlegrounds. It doesn't work as well here because *list of obv reasons*.

[Magikarp]

so the XP bonus removal of recent has been deemed a failure?

it was deemed a more-or-less accident

was suppose to be followed-up by a group xp or somethin, but the code didnt work out

i say pras for trying. would be a lot worse if they tried to implement a code that was easily exploitable/broken. and also pras for static xp in light of all this

[Vile]

i aint goin there. lets just pras :)

i wasn't trying to go there but this post actually explained what I was looking for..

it was deemed a more-or-less accident

was suppose to be followed-up by a group xp or somethin, but the code didnt work out

i say pras for trying. would be a lot worse if they tried to implement a code that was easily exploitable/broken. and also pras for static xp in light of all this

sounds good to me...when are these updates going in? :)

[Derubael]

so the XP bonus removal of recent has been deemed a failure?

Removal of the previous XP bonus and the later implementation of a new, modified bonus was always the plan.

When youtube link goes up you can listen to the ~3-5 minute segment where I explain exactly what happened, what the plan was, and what went wrong.

[Derubael]

Oh, and I also spiel a bit about the changes themselves and when you can expect to see them.

[Vile]

cool. gotta install EQ on the new comp I guess..

[Faerie]

Youtube link to what, exactly? :)

[Aenor]

4 level pvp range - duh


You really do want to make this a haven for bluebies.

[Pudge]

Remove Hybrid penalty now -- wont happen. we are close enough to velious and nilbog say no.

Remove scaling bonus. Instead have a 2x xp rate 1-60. No need to complicate things. -- yes. should happen.

Legacy items -- maaayyybe. if the items were extremely rare. because you know they'd be camped 24/7 by neckbeards. leaning toward saying just NO, and nilbog will never let it happen anyway.

Binding in TD Enabled -- sure. and when velious comes out it will be obsolete anyway.

Enable Soul Binders -- yes, there should be a soul binder in certain cities (not all, concentrate the newb binds)

4 level pvp range -- sure, as long as raid zones remain ffa (but ah.. almost all zones are raid zones in velious..)

In-game leaderboard -- not sure this would be good for the server. grief factor.

[Derubael]

Youtube link to what, exactly? :)

The Supercast of course!

If you don't mind listening to the other stuff we talked about for the first ~20 minutes of the stream, here's the twitch link:

http://www.twitch.tv/sirkenp99/b/519947929

I just figured I'd wait till it was on youtube so I could post a link with the specific section queued up where we're talking about it and I go on my spiel about what happened.

[Aenor]

Four levels? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Oh well, PvP was fun while it existed.

[SamwiseRed]

Four levels? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Oh well, PvP was fun while it existed.

who are you in game?

[Faerie]

Four levels? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Oh well, PvP was fun while it existed.

8 levels worked fine when we were on VZ, but here we really do need to go as blue as possible to improve the population. It won't be that bad! :)

Thanks a ton Deru, I'm gonna watch this later tonight.

[Aenor]

who are you in game?

Narg was the warrior that tanked your fbss why?

[Stasis04]

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[Aenor]

8 levels worked fine when we were on VZ, but here we really do need to go as blue as possible to improve the population. It won't be that bad! :)

Was 5 levels too much to ask? Rallos Zek proved that if you don't like PvP, level for a few hours and you will be out of range of the person attacking you. The blue server is already available at log in. Why do we need two?

[Stasis04]

If we're going for FFA 8 is way too much. It worked because of the teams aspect on TZ.

[Aenor]

Ok fine, people can't handle 8 levels. I agree that you can't be competitive against someone who is 8 levels higher. But how about 6 levels? 5 levels? There is a middle ground between too wide and too narrow. Why do we have to go from one extreme to the other?

[SamwiseRed]

just wondering didnt know

[SamwiseRed]

that was a long time ago, you still play?

[Aenor]

Not atm they don't have the Internet in backwoods GA... moving back to the A next month.

[Faerie]

Was 5 levels too much to ask? Rallos Zek proved that if you don't like PvP, level for a few hours and you will be out of range of the person attacking you. The blue server is already available at log in. Why do we need two?

Why is 4 unacceptable when 5 isn't? It's already 4 from 1-20 and people seem okay with it there. If the server looks blue from an outside perspective it will bring in more players, and that would (hopefully) result in a net gain of pvp just from the added population. 4 doesn't really seem that bad to me, especially at the high end where levels are capped.

[Magikarp]

The Supercast of course!

If you don't mind listening to the other stuff we talked about for the first ~20 minutes of the stream, here's the twitch link:

http://www.twitch.tv/sirkenp99/b/519947929

I just figured I'd wait till it was on youtube so I could post a link with the specific section queued up where we're talking about it and I go on my spiel about what happened.

check out the link for the infos.. but its not ~20 minutes.. its about 1 hour and 6 min in they start talking about red

but at that point the link delivers:

cliffnotes:
-we had big plans prior to removing xp, rl happened with some key people, we were as frustrated as the players and big :( all around
-group xp bonus going in
-additional static 1-60 xp no scaling going in
-we hate ooc, we recognize its useful, we're "limiting" it ((my idea is that it will be only in cities))
-4+/- level range incoming
-we think the red community is better than its ever been
-these changes will most likely come all at once
-blue players: its a good time to start red

"xp is coming back.. its not gonna be what it was before.. but we think you guys are gonna like it"

these are all from deru.. highly appreciated

[Magikarp]

oh yea last thing.. the word they used for the group xp is "exponential"

[Vile]

oh yea last thing.. the word they used for the group xp is "exponential"

hopefully hybrids don't exponentially make the group XP worse :eek:

[Potus]

Hybrid exp should have never been put in.

[Aenor]

"Fucks were given today, people." - Sirken

LOL

[Aenor]

Why is 4 unacceptable when 5 isn't? It's already 4 from 1-20 and people seem okay with it there. If the server looks blue from an outside perspective it will bring in more players, and that would (hopefully) result in a net gain of pvp just from the added population. 4 doesn't really seem that bad to me, especially at the high end where levels are capped.

4 is Rallos, which is pussy pvp. 5 would at least distinguish it from that. 6 would be better but 5 would at least not equate this server with Rallos, the biggest joke in the history of MMO PvP.

[JPMorgan]

4 is Rallos, which is pussy pvp. 5 would at least distinguish it from that. 6 would be better but 5 would at least not equate this server with Rallos, the biggest joke in the history of MMO PvP.

Seems to be the server's real pvp happens at end game. This change -- and the exp bonus -- is just going to make getting there faster. More end game pvp seems to be the inevitable result.

But, I guess it isn't pussy pvp to log on an alt with an epic and fungi in order to stomp new players in rags 6 lvls lower than you. Makes sense.

[HippoNipple]

Rallos, the biggest joke in the history of MMO PvP.

Should have started with this so everyone knows you are a retard up front so they can skip your posts.

[Faerie]

4 is Rallos, which is pussy pvp. 5 would at least distinguish it from that. 6 would be better but 5 would at least not equate this server with Rallos, the biggest joke in the history of MMO PvP.

Look, no one is denying that RZ was a bluebie server. We're really in no danger of going that route though, because unlike RZ pvp here is not a crime against humanity. There will be tons of pvp if this brings in more people and we manage not to run them off with twinks and grief.

[Azure]

Seems like pussy is a sexist term for little cowards who won't face someone on even footing. I.e. at a more fair level range vs an unfair one.

[Faerie]

Tons of pvp lol yes def for sure lol lol

The only consistent force in this world is change. Your choices are to adapt or to become obsolete. And if you choose to become obsolete, there are more graceful ways than this.

[Nirgon]

4 is Rallos, which is pussy pvp. 5 would at least distinguish it from that. 6 would be better but 5 would at least not equate this server with Rallos, the biggest joke in the history of MMO PvP.

Get a load of this guy

[HippoNipple]

Seems like pussy is a sexist term for little cowards who won't face someone on even footing. I.e. at a more fair level range vs an unfair one.

Shut up pussy.

[Kergan]

Rallos Zek was the best PVP server EQ has ever seen in the early days. PVP was meaningful and killing other players was not taken lightly. It wasn't a slow ass version of Quake with elves. Your reputation mattered. Greed, treachery, and toxic behavior in general was for the most part non-existent at the high end because the server was policed by the player base. Yet at the same time if PVP was your thing and you went full on Chewie style you could PVP 24/7 non stop. You wouldn't be seeing any dragons but it supported both play styles 100%. On RZ people treated both enemy and ally alike with respect, and it wasn't uncommon to fight people during the day and raid with them at night which I felt was the best of both worlds.

Classic RZ is what every PVP server ever created should aspire to be.

[SamwiseRed]

Rallos Zek was the best PVP server EQ has ever seen in the early days. PVP was meaningful and killing other players was not taken lightly. It wasn't a slow ass version of Quake with elves. Your reputation mattered. Greed, treachery, and toxic behavior in general was for the most part non-existent at the high end because the server was policed by the player base. Yet at the same time if PVP was your thing and you went full on Chewie style you could PVP 24/7 non stop. You wouldn't be seeing any dragons but it supported both play styles 100%. On RZ people treated both enemy and ally alike with respect, and it wasn't uncommon to fight people during the day and raid with them at night which I felt was the best of both worlds.

Classic RZ is what every PVP server ever created should aspire to be.

Classy post m8