Lord Nagafen

[Swifty]

Tonight my lvl 57 cleric partook in a Nagafen raid. Normally when i get body- or heal agro, i get banished to Lavastorm. Tonight Nagafen engaged me and killed me insted of banishing me.

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[SamwiseRed]

good, why are you trying to exploit this mob by healing? its intended for levels 1-52.

not trolling but it sounds like you died exploiting a mob.

[quido]

a lot of people will go melee Naggy or whatever just to get ported out of the zone

[Swifty]

good, why are you trying to exploit this mob by healing? its intended for levels 1-52.

not trolling but it sounds like you died exploiting a mob.

Samwise, it is common to bring higher level chars to buff the raid, when a raid wipes and naggy raoms, ppl get agro including the lvl 60s

[SamwiseRed]

What I am talking about is clerics binding near naggy ching the main tank, getting banished, then gating back in to do it all over. It's basically working around a mechanic intended to un-trivialize content. On phone so can't respond how I want to.

[quido]

I don't think the stuff even lands if they get banished.

[Daldaen]

I don't think the stuff even lands if they get banished.

Heals do. Detrimental spells do not.

It was common to use this strategy to 'solo' Naggy and Vox during Luclin/PoP/GoD with a 52 twinked alt, and a Druid or Cleric bound at dragon skull or in lev room.

Samwise, while I agree this is an exploit and a work around from intended mechanics, there are TONS of examples of this that people want as classic. First and foremost, vendor recharging stuff.

[heartbrand]

Detrimental spells land. We have had wizards sunstrike run back and sunstrike again.

[Daldaen]

They never did on live.

[quido]

need prof

[Daldaen]

All proofed out after I proofed the crap out of the VS Stone thread. Shame none of you neckbeards with more tenure than I reported this bug.

[SamwiseRed]

if naggys engaged, he should banish anyone 53 and up that are in close proximity to him. close enough where people cant just nuke/heal, banish, and come back.

[SamwiseRed]

just to add, binding in sol b was removed from red. it should probably be removed from blue so the exploit isnt even easier (just gate back to raid after being banished)

[Daldaen]

The way the banishing mechanic functions, you must get on the hate-list to get banished. That is why when Naggy is engaged a 60+ could sit underneath him and not be banished until they made some action agressive or not, at which time the game would put him on hatelist, check level, then banish. So to change the mechanic would be both un-classic and require some recoding.

Binding in Sol B is classic. Sorry your server isn't very classic.

[SamwiseRed]

Sorry pal but fixing exploits is classic.

It is sad to see guilds knowingly exploit in the name of loot. EverQuest seems to bring out the worst in some, see RMT, hacking, scamming, and exploiting. I just dont understand why people trivialize content by purposely going around mechanics. I am guessing if there was a way to prevent raid mobs from attacking back, you'd do it too if it was classic?

[Kevynne]

Detrimental spells land. We have had wizards sunstrike run back and sunstrike again.

can confirm
it's how blackout got there vox/naggy kills

[Daldaen]

Sorry pal but fixing exploits is classic.

It is sad to see guilds knowingly exploit in the name of loot. EverQuest seems to bring out the worst in some, see RMT, hacking, scamming, and exploiting. I just dont understand why people trivialize content by purposely going around mechanics. I am guessing if there was a way to prevent raid mobs from attacking back, you'd do it too if it was classic?

Personally - I don't do anything listed in this thread. I have a sub-52 cleric I take to Naggy/Vox.

Binding in Sol B is not an exploit. And therefore shouldn't be fixed.

Healing a player while above banish level is classic and mentioned in a few of the guides on Nagafen from 2001ish I'm pretty sure.

Detrimental spells - to my knowledge - never stuck at all. They would just not count and you'd get banished immediately.

#1 thing I don't want to happen, is the same thing that happened to pet aggro or Ivandyr's Hoops. Because a guild or two exploited their nature, they were nerfed for everyone who used them for normal purposes.

[Swifty]

Repop is coming. Ready to see me and a warrior duo Naggy?

[Nubben]

Detrimental spells - to my knowledge - never stuck at all. They would just not count and you'd get banished immediately.

(My input is both out of era and is melee not spell casting, so this input may be worthless to this discussion)

I used to run my rogue into Naggy and Vox with SoS on, which they can't see through. I could safely run circles around them and through their legs. As soon as I would attempt a backstab (or even a pick pocket), I would be banished, before it even landed. This was of course well out of era.

[Thulack]

Naggy still not banishing. 57 monk took AE and didnt get banished. Bunch of Class C healers healing during naggy fight just fine aswell.

[Ele]

Naggy still not banishing. 57 monk took AE and didnt get banished. Bunch of Class C healers healing during naggy fight just fine aswell.

Getting hit with AE doesn't add you to aggro list.

[Daldaen]

Getting hit with AE doesn't add you to aggro list.

Correct.

Healing should though. I seem to recall there being an intelligence check of whether a heal adds you onto hate list, IE dumb mobs like undead (zombies = 0 brain) don't know who is healing you so it didn't always put you on hate list. Mobs like dragons would every time however.