How important are your bonus points when creating a character?

[Smalls]

By that I mean, does it matter significantly where you put them in the long term? I'm playing a Wood Elf Ranger and decided to put them all into Strength, bringing it to 90, because I thought it would amount to more overall DPS (higher rolls and fewer misses), and more loot to carry.

What do you guys feel on the subject? Are they that important in the grand scheme of things and/or on the raiding scene?

[Azure]

its the difference of 20-~140 hp or a bunch of ATK or 200~ mana

Depends on what gear you wish to use, and whether your twinking a char.

STR in an untwinked non-large race melee will go a long way to helping you actually kill stuff into your 20's vs someone who struggles to carry food/water.

On pvp I dumped all my points into wisdom on my CLR so I had more slots to spare for +MR and other resists or +HP

Rading in this game is more resist dependant than any other stat so the same goes. If you want to be an MT one day... maybe put them all in STA.

Otherwise it doesn't matter that much. But a high elf pally with all points in CHA won't be much fun.

Another caveat... any char under 75 AGI will have a significantly handicapped AC. But at 75 AGI your good! So unless you plan to wear gear with -AGI (ogres fist of zek) don't worry about it. Good even to do on a erudite caster who havea base 70 AGI, makes a big diff even on them especially early in the game.

Human wizards on the other hand.... you really should put them all into INT. The 5 points into STA wont matter either way on a human wiz, but the int will.

On an erudite wiz you could put points anywhere.

[Smalls]

So Strength is a good choice for a Wood Elf Ranger to dump in then? I wanted to avoid Stamina because this class is really not intended for tanking, and, as I understand it, Stamina is one of the easiest stats to max with buffs and gear, at least in Velious. And I don't know if I ever intend to be an MT or fighting really, really big contested mobs at some point (I'll be tracking for whatever guild I run with), but maybe some planar raiding if I ever make it that far, and possibly my epic if Velious eases up the competition for Venril Sathir and Innoruuk.

[Azure]

STR is technically easier to max with ranger gear than STA

But DEX is a good option as well for bow hits/crit/ATK

xample: If a 60 bard goes from 114 to 115 STA, he will gain 4 HP. If he goes from 116 to 117 STA he will gain 2 HP.
Level 60 STA to HP Conversions
CLASS 115 Total STA Or Less Above 115 Total STA
WAR 1 STA = 6 HP 1 STA = 3 HP
SHD / PAL 1 STA = 5.2 HP 1 STA = 2.6 HP
RNG 1 STA = 4.2 HP 1 STA = 2.1 HP
BRD / MNK / ROG 1 STA = 4 HP 1 STA = 2 HP
CLR / DRU / SHM 1 STA = 3 HP 1 STA = 1.5 HP
ENC / MAG / NEC / WIZ 1 STA = 2.4 HP 1 STA = 1.2 HP

See :

http://wiki.project1999.com/Game_Mechanics#Hitpoint_Calculation

Personally I would go DEX.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Stats

Another good page to take a quick look at.

A lot of really nice/decent ranger weapons proc too.

[Smalls]

What if I intend to melee more than bow? is Dex still preferable over Strength then?

[Azure]

TBH if your going to start naked as a babe... STR is a solid plan/starting stat.

If your willing to stick out sucky ATK until your 30 or so and can buy some +STR items. DEX will help melee proc rate and bows. Bows are useful as a ranger... windstriker/runed oak bow is pretty awesome. And you'll want to use it to solo some.

[Smalls]

Alright, I'm going to stick with Strength then, because I'm also concerned with being able to carry enough loot to earn money later, and I want to be able to hit hard in melee as that's where I'm going to spend most of my time, on the front lines. But I'll definitely consider what you said about Dex and look for some Dex+ gear when the time is right. Thanks for your input.

[Vetiver]

Yeah, since we're only at (almost) Velious, it will be hard to max out all of your stats, so starting points can be important. For what it's worth, on my monk I put 5 points into STR and the other 15 points into STA.

[pasi]

Very important until you can start getting gear that has a ton of HP/mana with +10/15 stats and +10/15 all resists in every slot. For the most part, this is Luclin.

You can max stats now, but the issue is the HP/Mana and Resists that you are giving up to do so. In other words, it's very easy to max strength on a rogue. The question is how are you going to max strength while also having max resists and HP for that encounter.

[fadetree]

So Strength is a good choice for a Wood Elf Ranger to dump in then? I wanted to avoid Stamina because this class is really not intended for tanking, and, as I understand it, Stamina is one of the easiest stats to max with buffs and gear, at least in Velious. And I don't know if I ever intend to be an MT or fighting really, really big contested mobs at some point (I'll be tracking for whatever guild I run with), but maybe some planar raiding if I ever make it that far, and possibly my epic if Velious eases up the competition for Venril Sathir and Innoruuk.

I disagree with this in a couple of ways.
1. STA is not the easiest to buf with gear, STR is.
2. Even if you aren't tanking, a dead character has 0 DPS. You will need to live through dots, AE's, ripostes, etc. even when not tanking.
3. One of your jobs as a ranger is to peel from casters and root park. You need to be able to live through some beating.
4. You will wind up tanking sometimes, if only to get the cleric camped.

Summary : I think STA is more important than STR when selecting starting stats.

Dex is sort of important, but not really for bow. You will never actually use your bow unless you are pulling, bored or just feel like it. The difference dex makes there is not worth mentioning really compared to the massive DPS loss from not meleeing. Yes, bow kiting is 'viable' but it takes all day, and unless you are really a masochist you wont do it much. Dex is important for procs, (ie., swarmcaller), but you have to have quite a bit to really notice a diff. I just have a dex jewelry set that I swap in and out when counting on a swarmcaller proc.

[Mirana]

The short answer to your question is no, starting stats are, 90% of the time, not very important. One exception to this rule is agility less than 75 needs to be brought up, but that affects very few race/class combos.

Strength helps leveling but is easily maxed. Same goes for int/wis on casters/priests, both very easily maxed at end game. Min/maxers swear by stamina, but on most classes it ends up being barely noticeable. For reference, after hitting the 115 stamina mark, which you will get on base gear at higher levels, rangers get 2.1hp/sta, so those 20 points will net you 42 hp. Yippee. Even warriors will only net 60 hp from it. Agi is generally considered useless once it hits the 75 mark, and the same goes for dexterity with a couple exceptions (bard fizzles, warrior threat procs).

TLDR: No, your starting stats matter very little in almost all cases.

[phacemeltar]

not at all.. just be sure to tell your endgame raiding guild that you put all your points into STA

[fadetree]

For reference, after hitting the 115 stamina mark, which you will get on base gear at higher levels, rangers get 2.1hp/sta, so those 20 points will net you 42 hp.

I get 3.4 hp per sta at 51, with me over the 115 mark by quite a bit.

[Lojik]

Starting points and racial choice are often overstated on these boards. Put all your points into charisma.

[Mirana]

I get 3.4 hp per sta at 51, with me over the 115 mark by quite a bit.

Interesting, the wiki information is wrong I suppose :/

[Azure]

I just made a tank with 70 STA. But if ESO is good I won't even play her.

[Raavak]

I don't think starting stat allocation has ever been a make or break sort of thing. Its just something for people to argue over endlessly for 10 years.

[Champion_Standing]

I just made a tank with 70 STA. But if ESO is good I won't even play her.

Good news, ESO is not good.

[Swish]

Good news, ESO is not good.

[Champion_Standing]

not at all.. just be sure to tell your endgame raiding guild that you put all your points into STA

STA is very important for eating DTs.

[Smalls]

STA is very important for eating DTs.

So having an extra possible 42 HP is going to be important in a battle where I already have 5k?

You can't max Stamina at end-game with a base of 75?

[Azure]

If your worried about STA so much roll an ogre ... TBH... and then dump all points into AGI/CHA

So having an extra possible 42 HP is going to be important in a battle where I already have 5k?

You can't max Stamina at end-game with a base of 75?

Yeah a DE warrior without any points in STA is viable end game raid tank in raid gear/raid buffed... it just doesn't matter so much... it makes leveling easier without gear as a tank to start with 150 STA on an ogre...


TBH the only points that matters if your MTing a raid are AC, and the ability to hold a raids agro.

Since u want to DPS - STR is good )

Rangers won't get those buffs tho most likely on raids unless there's a ton of shamans not asleep at their keyboards.

[Smalls]

*sigh* People don't like Rangers, I guess.

Reroll.

[Azure]

Ranger is OK just don't expect to be superstar diva... rogues are more loved all around. Plenty of cool people on blue though. You can be picky about your friends.

[Smalls]

Ranger is OK just don't expect to be superstar diva... rogues are more loved all around. Plenty of cool people on blue though. You can be picky about your friends.

I'd rather be on good terms with everyone.

Besides, picking a class that I enjoy is important to me, otherwise the game will cease to be fun later. So I figure it's better to experiment in the beginning until I've found one that I like.

I started a Dwarf Paladin. Now I really am worthy of the name Smalls.

[baalzy]

Come velious rangers won't need people anyways. Panic animal is a game changer for rangers solo ability.

[fadetree]

Lol, good thing you chose paladin over a ranger, because you didn't want to play a non-popular class. You're all set now.

[Smalls]

Lol, good thing you chose paladin over a ranger, because you didn't want to play a non-popular class. You're all set now.

Better than playing a Druid or Monk on a server that's overpopulated with them already.

[Robben]

Play what you want and allocate stats how you see fit. The point of games isn't to min/max