Pulsing Green Stone

[Daldaen]

This should drop 2x 100% of kills. And no, I'm not confusing this with post epic change. That just meant you could spawn him without greaves so he was less contested. To start, establish the timeline:

March, 2001 - VS is made Triggerable (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010314.html)

April, 2001 - VS changed to 3 day spawn and Triggerable nature modified (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010417a.html)

We have increased the spawn rate of Venril Sathir and his skeletal remains. Please note that only Rangers and Druids will be able to trigger the spawn for the skeletal remains, and those remains will only be dropping items for those epic quests. Hopefully these changes will dramatically reduce the competition and resentment over this spawn.

And the evidence:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010202061600/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/

January, 2001 -- 2 months before Triggerable VS
[ Wednesday, January 3, 2001 - Lukster - 0 Comments ]
Been busy with this and that lately. Gonna try and give ya tha condensed version of the past few days events. Added two new kickass people, Rollinthunder and Sidsel. Welcome!

Dropped VS.
Wendy *finally* got her greaves! go WEnd!
Mata and Rama scored stones and are moving along, should have epics soon.

Nothing else much has happened. I hope everyone had a fun holiday and will come back ready to start killing stuff. uNf

Trak and VS down,
[ Thursday, January 18, 2001 - Alej - 0 Comments ]
KTF loot! Papped both leezards yesterday.

Blood Ember Breastplate = Gimrog
Singing Steel Breastplate = Bank
Teeth = Degro, Amaryl, and Frayer.
Elder Spiritist's Greaves = Lynx
Singing Steel Greaves = Warnotes
Stones = Alyssum, Astaldo (stone from a previus raid), and Scoobywan.

YAY bank!

More to come when I get off work. But this is a pretty huge problem that has persisted for far too long.

[Daldaen]

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2000-11-17

November, 2000 - 5 months before triggerability:

Oh yes, Let's not forget we owned that fool Venril again too:

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/home/archives/2000-11-17/stone.jpgx2

[Daldaen]

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2000-11-16

November, 2000 again... Literally the day before the previous post.

He also dropped the staff for the Wizard Epic Weapon Quest as well as two Druid Epic Quest Items.

It's pretty commonly mentioned that Druids are finishing their epics after catching Faydedar up. Since he would often suicide into the iksar GM.

Never is it mentioned that a Druid completes their epic off VS stone or that Vs didn't drop a stone or dropped only a single stone. Only mentions from the first few posts about double stones and after that they just neglect to mention them due to their commonality. Just like they don't really mention how many teeth Trak is dropping every single kill.

[Daldaen]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010713135027/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/arc1-2001.shtml

February, 2001 - 1-2 months before triggerability
Stones = Kander and Darhken.

[Daldaen]

https://web.archive.org/web/20011221222057/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/arc11-2000.shtml

December 2000...

Shureen and Mabey also got Venril stones!

[Daldaen]

So literally every kill the guild in the above post lists on their site, they mention double stones dropping. The only exception is the last one they list and that's cause it's in march. And even then they only listed 1 of 2 items on the drop table anyways for that kill. They were too busy talking about how easy/nerfed he was?

But I'm done, this is pretty substantial evidence. I hope to see this change next patch. It's just a shame thinking how many more stones should've dropped in the past 2-3 years /sad trombone.

[Ele]

I tried getting the archived versions of the crowd-sourced thread on the epic quest from the Druids' Grove, but the links to the message board are busted after the first page of information, which doesn't include any info about VS.

EQdruids.com has a write up of the quest after it is solved, but is similarly unhelpful.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001209184000/http://eqdruids.com/quests.htm

The Stones

- Go Back to Misty Thicket and hand Ella Foodcrafter the hardened mixture and the rune crested bowl. She will make for you a softly glowing stone from it.

- Ella tells you to find one such as yourself. For the Druids this means to seek out Foloal Stormforest in Firiona Vie.

- Ask her "are you one such as myself? ", "what answers?" and "what about Venril Sathir?". She tells you to bring her the stone you already have from Ella and the gem that can be found on Venril Sathir.

- Kill Venril Sathir in Karnor's Castle and loot the gem he
drops. Venril is a very tough lvl 55 Necromancer that can only be beaten by very strong guilds.

- Give the gem and the softly glowing stone to Foloal Stromforest and get a warm pulsating stone. Now this is the time where the quest splits up into the Druid and the Rangerpart. Foloal tells you to take the stone and walk your path.

Alla archive was also not helpful.

[Daldaen]

"Loot the gem he drops" sounds like a pretty sure thing.

Compounded with all the loot lists I posted...

Does anyone have access to Alloria's screenshot archive? There has to be a screenshot of a VS corpse among them. With loot table opened. I'm willing to bet there's 2 loots, 2 stones and 0-1 gnarled staves if it is pre-2001 March.

[Daldaen]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010411002059/http://www.student.smsu.edu/b/bdh113s/

The only thing that's really changed is Faydedar. It still looks like only 2 VS stones a week so I would hardly say there will be an explosion in new druid epics. I think they should have made him much harder though, like a Trakanon-level encounter since he is triggered now. But either way, putting a quest piece on something like the old Faydedar or Quillmane is just poorly thought out.

But this is not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is the Uber guild selling or destroying the stones. This is the problem I have with the epic.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010714125422/http://pub13.ezboard.com/fthedruidsgrovequests.showMessage?topicID=4694.top ic

I heard it can be done. I know for a fact at least one player on my server multi'd the VS stone. I ended up multiquesting the spirit of Faydwer (brownie was last piece I would need, and was broken so I multi'd with a retired druid who had that piece). 'Uber' guilds have been known to charge money for multiquesting the stones they got before remains were implemented.

[Ele]

"Loot the gem he drops" sounds like a pretty sure thing.

Compounded with all the loot lists I posted...

Does anyone have access to Alloria's screenshot archive? There has to be a screenshot of a VS corpse among them. With loot table opened. I'm willing to bet there's 2 loots, 2 stones and 0-1 gnarled staves if it is pre-2001 March.

Couldn't find any VS screenshots in the Alloria stuff I saved.

The EQ Druids write up does help the argument for at least one dropping every time. At this point, I'm on board with 2x each time until a post comes up showing him drop 0-1 stones.

On live, I camped real Fay, but VSR was already introduced by the time I finished the quest.

All this talk of VS's pulsing green stones dropping could get really weird in a roleplay sense.

[Daldaen]

Couldn't find any VS screenshots in the Alloria stuff I saved.

The EQ Druids write up does help the argument for at least one dropping every time. At this point, I'm on board with 2x each time until a post comes up showing him drop 0-1 stones.

On live, I camped real Fay, but VSR was already introduced by the time I finished the quest.

All this talk of VS's pulsing green stones dropping could get really weird in a roleplay sense.

Make it so. 2 Pulsing Green Stones every kill. The evidence is there in support of this.

From a role playing sense, they are his eyes.

[koros]

I remember 2 every kill also. The bottleneck for the druid epic was considered to be Fay much more than VS.

[heartbrand]

For what it's worth, I "recall" [that dangerous word] the fay pod always being the bottle neck.

[Daldaen]

More evidence:

In each link click on Archive, then the way I broke it up was Nov 2000 (month Druid epic was solved), Dec 2000, Feb 2001: respectively.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010405060802/http://www.everquester.com/

Venril Sathir slain. Congratulations to Dalia (Cleric) and Megwedariel (Warrior) on their new greaves! Pulsating Stone to Antoch (Druid) and Taldiyen (Ranger).

Venril Sathir slain. Congratulations to Caladel (Paladin) on his new greaves! Pulsating Stones to Sabastion (Druid) and Squido (Ranger).

The Knights of Eternal Good have slain Venril Sathir. Congratulations to Longan (Bard) on his new Singing Steel Greaves! Congratulations also to Jerrica (Druid) and Lewick (Ranger) on the Pulsating Stones, Crimen (Wizard) for the Gnarled Staff, and to Bradan (Necromancer) fot his staff.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010405060802/http://www.everquester.com/

Venril Sathir slain! Congratulations to Fitz and the next rogue to wear Myroklar's Greaves. Gnarled staff to Taxero, two pusling stones to Squido (Ranger) and Iluani (Druid).

The Knights of Eternal Good slain Venril Sathir yielding a wizard and enchanter staves as well as two stones.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010405060802/http://www.everquester.com/

Hey all, Barb here for another big update. Lots of goodness in the land of Norrath. Thanks to Verant mucking up the patch once again there was not 1, not 2, but 3 Venril Sathir spawns and we here at KEG were able to get 2 of them. What kind of ph4t l3wts did we get? Acquired from his being on the first kill was a pair of Cobalt Greaves. Yes, These handsome pair of warrior leggings were sent to Deemoness and Rixus. Grats! Also obtained was a Gnarled Staff and 2 Stones. The staff went to Wizzar, 1 stone went to Qualinos, and the 2nd is TBD I believe. Email me if I am wrong. Onto the 2nd killing, where we ganked(I'm so hardcore!) some Donal's Greaves of Mourning, and Blood Ember Greaves. I have not yet been informed as to who will be doning the Donal's(that so rhymes), the Blood Ember however was given to the guild Noble Blade for them to hand out. As usual a wizard staff and 2 stones were also gotten. Staff to Noble Blade, Stone 1 to Larss and stone 2 to Noble Blade. Thats about all from the barb today, unless I find out something cool happened without me.
Let me leave you now with a quote of the day!

*Drops Mics*

For real. Hot patch this shit

[Thulack]

For real. Hot patch this shit

[Daldaen]

2 years of having pulsing stones be a rare/non-guaranteed drop while level 1 rogues and clerics frolick about with epics is unjust. Right this wrong, Lord Rogean and Lady Nilbog. Save the Druids/Rangers, save the world.

[Erati]

2 years of having pulsing stones be a rare/non-guaranteed drop while level 1 rogues and clerics frolick about with epics is unjust. Right this wrong, Lord Rogean and Lady Nilbog. Save the Druids/Rangers, save the world.

bump for green comments :)

[Daldaen]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010410215005/http://www.shadowedsoul.com/index.shtm

March 7, 2001 -- epic patch adding VSR was March 14th

DA/SS/EL moved on Venril Sathir after the emergency server patch. It was good of him to drop some worthwhile loots for once. The loots were Gnarled Staff (DA), Blood Ember Greaves (SS) and 2 stones.

There's a reason the VSR drops 2. It's cause VS originally was dropping 2 (since 2 classes use) and they just carried through with that.

Bumps.

[Daldaen]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010426073903/http://www.elementofdarkness.com/archive.asp?month=January&year=2001

January, 2001

Vs dead - ShadeStorm (1/31/2001 4:22 PM)

Vs dies again. Drops were cleric legs, mage staff, 2 stones

http://web.archive.org/web/20010426030453/http://www.elementofdarkness.com/archive.asp?month=December&year=2000

December, 2000


Vs and trak die again - ShadeStorm (12/19/2000 9:22 PM)

Servers came up and vs was dead in about 20 minutes. We then moved to trak and didnt rush as we were enjoying the dungeon and not moving quickly.

Vs dropped 2 staffs and 2 stones, trak dropped pally, sk and 4 teeth


Vs dies again by the alliance - ShadeStorm (12/15/2000 6:26 PM)

loot was cleric legs, ranger legs, wizard staff, 2 stones


VSx3 - ShadeStorm (12/8/2000 6:18 PM)

Yesterday he dropped a druid staff, enchanter staff 2 stones.

Today he dropped bard legs necro staff, diamond rod, 2 stones, and after servers came back he dropped pally legs gnarled staff, 2 stones.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010426074322/http://www.elementofdarkness.com/archive.asp?month=November&year=2000

November, 2000


VS dies again - ShadeStorm (11/28/2000 4:03 PM)

Vs dies to the alliance again.

Drops were ranger legs/pally legs 2 stones and a wizard staff.

Grats to Laan on is new legs and finishing the first part of his epic quest!

What goes up, must come down - ShadeStorm (11/16/2000 11:57 PM)

As the servers came up, VS went down.

Congrats to tr on bard legs and a gem

Congrats to CC on druid legs

Congrats to EOD on a gem

So yea... 2 stones all day every day. 6 stones in a single day... Wtb that kind of server instability.

[Thulack]

Bump for all the offhand epicless rangers out there!!!

[Rararboker]

Bump as well. Looks like VS's drop table is waaaaay off here on P99. Wizard staffs and pulsing stones were dropping like candy on live in this era.

[nilbog]

In addition to the previously posted evidence, also found this:

The lucky quester will receive a Pulsing Green Stone (Venril always drops 2 stones),
http://www.fullblown.com/sod/vsr_hole_rev.cfm


Pending update,

Venril Sathir will always drop two Pulsing Green Stones.

[Daldaen]

In addition to the previously posted evidence, also found this:



Pending update,

Venril Sathir will always drop two Pulsing Green Stones.

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/cc0/611/141/resized/praise-the-lord-meme-generator-praise-the-lord-5d7260.jpg

[Moodie]

Nooooooooooooooo

- guy selling 400k green stone MQs

[rafaone]

Thanks

[Whiteberry]

In addition to the previously posted evidence, also found this:



Pending update,

Venril Sathir will always drop two Pulsing Green Stones.

Thanks also... maybe soon ill get my epic

[khanable]

Great day for rangers and druids

[Ele]

In addition to the previously posted evidence, also found this:



Pending update,

Venril Sathir will always drop two Pulsing Green Stones.

Not to be a buzz kill, but that quote is specifically related to VSremains spawned VS.

[Erati]

Not to be a buzz kill, but that quote is specifically related to VSremains spawned VS.

noticed that too however I believe the 3 pages of quotes before that was plenty of solid evidence to wrap this up and move to resolved :)

[Ele]

noticed that too however I believe the 3 pages of quotes before that was plenty of solid evidence to wrap this up and move to resolved :)

I agree with that. Just one decent post or screenshot with one stone or none could undo it, but I have yet to see any.

[Daldaen]

Dunno I think my links from 3-4 different raid guilds where they NEVER mention a single stone dropping. EVER.

They only fail to mention the stones at all cause they were so common on live that's like counting out your Tolapmuj Robe's and Protector loots during Trak kills.

That screenshot would need a time stamp or be posted with a time stamp though. Cause its really easy to find a full VS corpse post revamp and try to claim that is truth, when infact it isn't.

But as I said. There is a REASON the revamped version was dropping 2 stones. Its cause the normal VS was dropping 2, they just moved em over.

[Lartanin63]

Epic winning.

[Man0warr]

I always remember 2 dropping even before VSR - the real cockblock for the epic was the Pod. Don't think I got mine on live until well into Velious.

[khanable]

I've found evidence against this

http://www.moemoe.gr.jp/~yourtoy/onlinerpg/eq0104.html

Page is a bit jarbled - but under the VS log you see they list what he dropped - "a DRU/RNG epic item", indicating one

And then this post:

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413&highlight=venril+sathir

heh. Trying not to sound negative here, but we have killed Venril more than a dozen times. His "good loot" rate seems to me about a 14% drop - no lie. Most of the time we get 2 staves - and recently, with the addition of quest items to his table, we got 1 stave, 1 legs, and 1 quest staff.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3083&highlight=venril+sathir&page=3

5) I have to compete with another class to get a stone off of Venril Sathir, who, until they changed his spawn time (and how the stones are dropped), was killed on my server (Povar) while I am at work, because that's when the server comes up after being patched.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=758&p=7#m9816695728739
Is the stone dropped by Venril every time? Also, is it no-drop?

I was thinking that if an uber-group were camping him for all the cool armor and such, it might be possible to ask to be able to loot the stone off of him if it were dropped everytime. Granted, all the druids in that group would have first dibs, but if the stone is no-drop, then eventually all of the druids would have one and no more would be needed :) Just a thought.
->
Venril has been upgraded so that now every time he is killed, he drops two of the stones.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=758&p=7#m97430247826190
Kill Venril Sathir in Karnor's Castle and be lucky to loot the rare gem he drops. Venril is a very tough Necromancer that can only be beaten by very strong guilds.

[Daldaen]

K none of that is evidence. I'll break it down.

1st post - April 2001. Read my Original Post. That is AFTER the epic change. Therefore irrelevant.

2nd post (from EQCleric) - Oct 2000. A month after Epics implemented. Also a month before Druid epic solved. No one knew what stones were even for at this point in time. Also he is talking as though the "norm" loot. Which probably extends before the epic patch.

3rd post (from EQCleric) - April 2001. Again irrelevant.

4th post (from allakhazam) - Mar 2001 reply, original question which adds nothing of importance to this discussion was indeed in the Nov 2000 - Mar 2001 window of relevance.

5th post (from allakhazam) - this is the only quote of relevance. But all of my evidence points to the contrary. It clearly isn't that rare if EVERY raid log from several different guilds sites regarding VS in that Nov 2000 - Mar 2001 time frame lists 2 Stones dropped. That isn't luck. Those people who got 3 VS and 6 Stones in a reset are proof it was a guaranteed 100% x 2.

[khanable]

I fail to see how


heh. Trying not to sound negative here, but we have killed Venril more than a dozen times. His "good loot" rate seems to me about a 14% drop - no lie. Most of the time we get 2 staves - and recently, with the addition of quest items to his table, we got 1 stave, 1 legs, and 1 quest staff.

Is irrelevant. It was during a time when he was dropping quest items. They're going to omit two strange green stones because they don't know what they are?

(and how the stones are dropped)

I think that's relevant.

Why would the mar 2001 reply to the pre-remains question not be relevant? This to me says he was changed at some point to drop 2. (likely the remains fix)

[Daldaen]

That first link is all sorts of fail.

VS gauntlets turning into King Vibrating gauntlets? And it's a level 39 cleric giving insight about VS loot seems kinda sketchy.

And if it was changed at some point.. It was during the window Nov 2000 - Mar 2001 since all of my evidence points to a 100% drop rate for 2 stones.

[Daldaen]

Regarding the first EQCleric post btw. That quote, I used that dudes guild in one of my posts. So perhaps there was a time from September-November 2000 when stones weren't guaranteed. But see this post for every kill their guild had on VS from Nov 2000 - Mar 2001.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1397013&postcount=14

All of them include double stones.

I tend to believe the front page updates of 4 months over a single post from a level 39.

[khanable]

So perhaps there was a time from September-November 2000 when stones weren't guaranteed.

This could very well be. From that website:

November 12th, 2000

Venril Sathir lived for about 45 minutes when the world of The Rathe awakened early morning. Venril Sathir lay dead from the efficiency of fourteen Knights a.k.a. "the night crew." Congratulations to Reye (Cleric) and Adela (Druid) on their new staves, and to Enik (Wizard) on his Gnarled Staff.

No stones there.

November 6th, 2000

The Knights of Eternal Good and invited friends enjoyed an evening in the Plane of Hate.

Venril Sathir was slain yielding staves for Taxero (Wizard) and Ozie (Cleric), and a Gem for Kulvarian!

A single stone. A few posts later Kulvarian was congratulated on his druid epic - so we know this 'gem' was a 'stone'.

[Daldaen]

I could see that. Perhaps from September 2000-Novemeber it was changed from a rare drop and named gem. To be the guaranteed 2-stones? Probably changed item name too.

Cause a few of the original posts mention a gem. Then they start using the word stone...

Originally I attributed that to the Druid quest being insolved and no one knew what the gems were even for. But maybe alpha Druid epic used a different item called a gem or something.

[Erati]

I think Cucumber's boss at work needs to start limiting his internet access !!!

[Daldaen]

Don't worry Eratani brother.

Daldaen has evidence on evidence. I made it rain evidence and I think we both agree that after a point (pre-epic change) it was a guaranteed 2 stones. It just wasn't that way the entire time. Possibly why the Druid epic took so long to solve.

[khanable]

Awe c'mon now - any significant change like this should be thoroughly researched to ensure we're making the proper change.

It's kind of like science. ;)

And timelines are important for the future!

[Erati]

Awe c'mon now - any significant change like this should be thoroughly researched to ensure we're making the proper change.

It's kind of like science. ;)

And timelines are important for the future!

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001175517/0cb3ef6e1d30edc0038eaa58f90b507c_xlarge.jpeg

[Daldaen]

Awe c'mon now - any significant change like this should be thoroughly researched to ensure we're making the proper change.

It's kind of like science. ;)

And timelines are important for the future!

I think I did thoroughly research it. The only things to the contrary are extremely early epic posts. After the epic was solved they are either reporting 2 stones or not reporting stones cause they were dirt common at that point in time.

[Xanthias]

I'm trying to remember from this time, now if I recall correctly one of the reasons VSR was put in was because Rangers and druids were screaming about the fact the pulsing stones didn't drop as often as they should as well as the long window on him appearing.

Just sayin.

[Daldaen]

Facts. I have them, lots of them infact.

Those who disagree have recollection or 1/2 weak posts.

[Daldaen]

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20001115.html

November 15, 2000

Fixed all known problems with the class-specific epic quests

http://web.archive.org/web/20010405060802/http://www.everquester.com/

November 15, 2000 --- Previous quoted by myself.

The Knights of Eternal Good have slain Venril Sathir. Congratulations to Longan (Bard) on his new Singing Steel Greaves! Congratulations also to Jerrica (Druid) and Lewick (Ranger) on the Pulsating Stones, Crimen (Wizard) for the Gnarled Staff, and to Bradan (Necromancer) fot his staff.

http://web.archive.org/web/20001207064100/http://eqdruids.com/

November 16, 2000

(11/16) Druid FA solved! (Sobe and HaroTTM)

Basically I think after that Nov 15th patch, the stones were 2x every time and *maybe* renamed / the quest made more clear where to find them / what dropped em?

[Supaskillz]

Now you get to stand in a different line for your epic

[khanable]

I see stones referred to as pulsating green stones and pulsing green stones

Typo or name change..?

Anywho;

https://web.archive.org/web/20010124041200/http://www.bullhonkie.com/hoss/

jan 29th 2001
Venril Sathir - Elder Spiritist's Greaves
Venril Sathir - Deepwater Greaves
Venril Sathir - 2 Pulsating Green Stones

jan 7th 2001
Venril Sathir - Elder Spiritist's Greaves
Venril Sathir - Nightshade Scented Staff
Venril Sathir - Gnarled Staff
Venril Sathir - 2 Pulsating Green Stones

dec 16th 2000
Blood Ember Greaves
Shissar Nullifier Staff
Gnarled Staff
2 Pulsating Green Stones

dec 10th 2000
Venril Sathir - Donal's Greaves of Mourning
Venril Sathir - Jaundiced Bone Greaves
Venril Sathir - Gnarled Staff
Venril Sathir - 2 Pulsating Green Stones

Just another guild claiming 2x stones per kill
also note how common the gnarled staff was - is it this common here?

[Amra]

also note how common the gnarled staff was - is it this common here?

It is not that common here, but no way to prove drop rate from 2001! Grats druids and rangers!!

[joe426]

Thank you!!!!!!!!

[Daldaen]

You are welcome.

All donations may be forwarded to Daldaen. Platinum, Resist and Twink gear accepted. Excess Pulsing Green Stones also appreciated.

[Nirgon]

Venril didn't always have the wizard staff for sure.

I'd say.... uncommon? But maybe that's just the staff rotation he has and RNG.

[Erati]

Venril didn't always have the wizard staff for sure.

I'd say.... uncommon? But maybe that's just the staff rotation he has and RNG.

as a wiz on live he def didnt always have the staff

and I used to get pissed how easy druid/rangers epic's were after each Venril kill :(

also the staffs he drops have nothing to due with the Gnarled staff as its a different part of the loot table

he 'could' drop 2 random crappy class specific staffs and also the Gnarled staff along with his stones

but the Gnarled staff was never there for me on my wiz til they made it drop 'every time' with Velious epic changes

[Nirgon]

That gnarled was 2hb for a bit iirc. Unsure if Nilberg has that pencilled in to his time line. Small potaters tho.

[Daldaen]

That gnarled was 2hb for a bit iirc. Unsure if Nilberg has that pencilled in to his time line. Small potaters tho.

Sort of irrelevant. That would be like changing something to the Staff of Elementary Mastery: Earth.

By the time you get the staff, it's 15 minutes of running around and you have your epic.

I thought that was changed during Kunark though. Same with Blue Crystal Staff.

[Nirgon]

wot?

[Daldaen]

If you get gnarled staff, there is a 99.9999% chance that you already have the rest of the epic done. So while incorrect, no one is going to equip it anyways since they spend 15 minutes running around completing the turnin for the epic. Same with Mage Staff. If you get that, it's almost guaranteed it's your last piece.

And I thought Gnarled and Blue Crystal Staves were both 2HB and changed to be 1HB in late Kunark?

[Nirgon]

Ya that's what I'm sayin except I am definitely sure they were 2hb for a while