Missing Poison components and recipes - need to be added pre-velious.

[Shiftin]

So, I'm not sure if this should go in here or in the Velious bug section, but I'm going to put it here because it needs discreet attention.

Below is the text of the book "Study of Ethereal Suspension" http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=21508.
My overall point is that these recipes must be in before Velious, as one of them is necessary to complete the 8th ring quest. I can't find conclusive proof that when during Kunark they were added, but all of the recipes are found on the book that should be sold in Overthere, and every component for the poisons comes from Kunark era mobs. My comments on each recipe in bold


A new suspension has been discovered by Brak, a wood elf scout operating out of Firiona Vie. Due to the near gaseous consistency of the suspension we refer to it as ethereal. Several extremely deadly poisons can now be safely concocted and stored with the aid of the ETHEREAL SUSPENSION and a SEALED VIAL.

The sap of two parts crushed CREEPER IVY will stiffen the muscles of the victim. This is in game, these items are on the poison merchant in FV and were at Kunark release.

Two crushed IVORY POPPIES (sold in FV)with a single crushed FROSTY DATURA (confirmed drop off Yeti in DL) will be the bane of a magic wielding victim.

Two parts NOHOPE MOSS (swamp of no hope frogloks - NOT DROPPING) and one SNOWCAP AMANITA (LOIO poison merchant) will make the immune system of your victim susceptible to harm from the elements.

The dead SHRIVELED FLESH of the armies that haunt Kithicor when made into an injected fluid will cause a tremendous atrophy of the victim's muscle strength. Two parts flesh have proven sufficient.

Two parts SCORPIKIS VENOM extracted from the monsters' stingers enhances the venom, making it even more painful and deadly.

Two chunks of CRYSTALLIZED SULFUR and one part SUCCULENT SAP will cause a deadly rage in the victim as they suffer extreme pain and often death. (Tested, working)

Two piles of SPIROC BONE DUST (Confirmed dropping off Spirocs in TD) and one part SKYASH BILE (Confirmed dropping in Lavastorm)will cause the victim's bones to become brittle while granting them swiftness of motion.

A particularly incapacitating poison can be created with two portions of MT. DEATH MINERAL SALTS (Currently NOT DROPPING off the mobs. Should be a common drop off goblins in droga, nurga and FM) and one vial of QUICKSILVER. (This poison is required for the 8th coldain ring

An intense vertigo can be set upon a victim with a poison concocted of one part CRYSTAL NIGHTSHADE (MISSING - should be sold by Nubs Blackgranite in LOIO), one part BLACK HENBANE, and one DEATH CAP. (Sol B)

The most pain inducing poison that I have discovered yet is created with two parts BLOOD THORN EXTRACT and one part EMERALDBERRY CYANIDE. (Neither of these components is dropping from the Errollsi Bloodthorn in EJ, or is extremely rare, as i got none in 2 hours of farming)



I'll test the few I haven't tested hopefully tonight, but the big ones are that errollsi bloodthorns are not dropping their poison components, and mountain death salts need to drop from goblins all over FM, Nurga and Droga.

[Shiftin]

I've finished checking the drops for every recipe.

Here are the items that need to be fixed:

NOHOPE MOSS (NOT DROPPING) - These should be a common to uncommon drop from the froglok village in swamp of no hope. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5369

MT. DEATH MINERAL SALTS (Currently NOT DROPPING). Should be a common drop off goblins in droga, nurga and FM. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=11457
Very, Very common drop in Nurga. Got salts from almost half of the Goblins I killed. Have 5 and a half stacks of them now after less than 2 levels of XPing.

CRYSTAL NIGHTSHADE (MISSING) - should be sold by Nubs Blackgranite in LOIO, the same dwarf who sells the book that this list is pulled from. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=14758

BLOOD THORN EXTRACT and EMERALDBERRY CYANIDE - Neither of these components is dropping from the Errollsi Bloodthorn in EJ, or is extremely rare, as i got none in 2 hours of farming
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4316

Again, all of these are in the same book that was sold in Kunark, so it's reasonable to assume that they should be in at this point. The MT Death salts are necessary to move past the 8th coldain ring, so at the very least this should all be in on velious release.

[Shiftin]

bump

[Thulack]

Salts were put in during velious. That post you referenced is from 2004 which is after the timeframe of when chardok got revamped and salts were used in quest... but they were for poison first but still not til velious.

[Shiftin]

The book that lists the poison recipes was sold in Kunark by the poison vender in LOIO and contains only recipes which require classic or kunark components. The salts have nothing to do with Chardok, they should drop in frontier mountains, droga and nurga. There's no evidence I've found (and i looked, hard) to suggest that a single component from that book was added during velious, but there is circumstantial evidence in the recipe book that it was a Kunark Era drop.

If you have actual evidence to the contrary, please post it so we can get it right.

I referenced a *comment* from 2004 because it's the only one that speaks to the drop rate clearly.

[Rhambuk]

The salts have nothing to do with Chardok, they should drop in frontier mountains, droga and nurga.

eventually after like the last patch we'll get on this server we get the chardok revamp!

in which case the salts become very valuable for faction grinders. Leave it out for now imo poisons are fun but pretty useless and i just see people farming salts for months and when it finally comes out youll have people max dok in an hour...

[Shiftin]

eventually after like the last patch we'll get on this server we get the chardok revamp!

in which case the salts become very valuable for faction grinders. Leave it out for now imo poisons are fun but pretty useless and i just see people farming salts for months and when it finally comes out youll have people max dok in an hour...

Ok, again, this is not true because the salts are *required for the 8th coldain ring* They are used in the poison mind meld, which is used in the brewing of tainted avalanche ale.

Mind meld is also a really good poison, as are several of the 250 poisons, at least situationally.

It sucks enough that poison isn't working as a class skill on this server, the recipes should at least work for those of us who grinded it up to GM.

[Rhambuk]

The salts have nothing to do with Chardok, they should drop in frontier mountains, droga and nurga.

The simple point I was trying to make is that the salts do have something to do with chardok, not now no but eventually.

as far as if they should be in now or not i don't know, if they are goodluck hope they get added for you.

personal opinion poisons are awful, which makes me sad it was the #1 reason i rolled a rog on live back in the day. Even situationally they aren't very good, and after the pop revamp of poisons they still sucked.

I got it to around 150 here before i just gave up because...why

[happyhappy]

eventually after like the last patch we'll get on this server we get the chardok revamp!

in which case the salts become very valuable for faction grinders. Leave it out for now imo poisons are fun but pretty useless and i just see people farming salts for months and when it finally comes out youll have people max dok in an hour...

Salts are irrelevant in this case, you can already do this with goblin skins, and even then, if you are going to farm skins and salts ahead of time, chances are you'll capping Dizok before the chardok patch anyway, I know many of us already have.

[Rhambuk]

yeah shouldve figured with this server haha.


This was a tough one, only thing I could find was a page of npc's that sold make poison supplies, however, The dwarf in loio is mentioned as selling supplies.

11/2000
http://web.archive.org/web/20010118203400/http://www.eqtraders.com/

If hes in and selling supplies like he should be and is, and that poison is in the book id imagine it should be creatable. outside of that I found absolutely nothing on salts/mind melt etc from anything pre velious.

[evilkorn]

Linking patch notes for poison changes.

6-29-2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html
Many new recipes for the "Make Poison" skill are now in game. Features include: Several new poison books, stackable components, new suspensions, some purchasable components, and players now have the ability to purchase vials. Please check your vendors.

7-19-2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000719.html
Poison:

Implemented the high level Rogue poisons (level 51+).
Increased Rogue "Make Poison" skill cap.
Substantially reduced chance to fail "Apply Poison".
Rogues will now automatically sit when right-clicking on a poison.
Failure to make a poison will now return the vial.

As discussed here (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144477), Rogean found something pre velious in October.

Earliest date I found is 10/16/2000:

Quote:
I have one and would guess a dye for ????
http://web.archive.org/web/200211040...how&IID=227309
Could have been added towards the end of Kunark?

[Shiftin]

yeah shouldve figured with this server haha.


This was a tough one, only thing I could find was a page of npc's that sold make poison supplies, however, The dwarf in loio is mentioned as selling supplies.

11/2000
http://web.archive.org/web/20010118203400/http://www.eqtraders.com/

If hes in and selling supplies like he should be and is, and that poison is in the book id imagine it should be creatable. outside of that I found absolutely nothing on salts/mind melt etc from anything pre velious.

That's great, thanks. Yes, he is in.

[Shiftin]

Linking patch notes for poison changes.

6-29-2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html
Many new recipes for the "Make Poison" skill are now in game. Features include: Several new poison books, stackable components, new suspensions, some purchasable components, and players now have the ability to purchase vials. Please check your vendors.

7-19-2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000719.html
Poison:

Implemented the high level Rogue poisons (level 51+).
Increased Rogue "Make Poison" skill cap.
Substantially reduced chance to fail "Apply Poison".
Rogues will now automatically sit when right-clicking on a poison.
Failure to make a poison will now return the vial.

As discussed here (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144477), Rogean found something pre velious in October.

Legit. Thank you. This is the patch that added the kunark stuff and the IV and V line of poisons, of which a few are just still broken. We're definitely past this "point" in kunark, so we should be good to get these in.

[Shiftin]

bump

[Aelzrith]

Bump for Big Shiftin and his poison shenanigans

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Bump for the cause.

[Shiftin]

weekly bump

[Shiftin]

hi. pretty please.

[Shiftin]

bump since not included in patch still

please fix poisons :(

[Titanx]

Bump for salts

[Shiftin]

monday bump for fixing poisons.

[nilbog]

Here are the items that need to be fixed:

NOHOPE MOSS (NOT DROPPING) - These should be a common to uncommon drop from the froglok village in swamp of no hope. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5369

MT. DEATH MINERAL SALTS (Currently NOT DROPPING). Should be a common drop off goblins in droga, nurga and FM. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=11457


CRYSTAL NIGHTSHADE (MISSING) - should be sold by Nubs Blackgranite in LOIO, the same dwarf who sells the book that this list is pulled from. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=14758

BLOOD THORN EXTRACT and EMERALDBERRY CYANIDE - Neither of these components is dropping from the Errollsi Bloodthorn in EJ, or is extremely rare, as i got none in 2 hours of farming
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4316


Pending update:

-Added the above, to relevant loottables or merchant lists with a rule for the Hole. What this means is, if the Hole has been opened on the server, the items will begin to drop/be sold. Some of these items could possibly be before or after this date (~June 2000), and can be modified as dates are later found.

[Shiftin]

All praise be to nilbog.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

All praise be to nilbog.+1

Thanks Bog!

[Rhambuk]

you don't even have a rogue dum dum

[Titanx]

Awesome news.

[evilkorn]

Pending update:

-Added the above, to relevant loottables or merchant lists with a rule for the Hole. What this means is, if the Hole has been opened on the server, the items will begin to drop/be sold. Some of these items could possibly be before or after this date (~June 2000), and can be modified as dates are later found.

Wondering if the slipped past the patch(s). I was talking with a group in droga that was there for "hours" and I killed about 20 before I asked if they found any yet and they said not one.

[nilbog]

Wondering if the slipped past the patch(s). I was talking with a group in droga that was there for "hours" and I killed about 20 before I asked if they found any yet and they said not one.

Fixed, pending update.

[Sylexis]

Pending update:

-Added the above, to relevant loottables or merchant lists with a rule for the Hole. What this means is, if the Hole has been opened on the server, the items will begin to drop/be sold. Some of these items could possibly be before or after this date (~June 2000), and can be modified as dates are later found.

Been soloing on my druid in EJ, the Cyanide and blood thorn extract only dropping maybe one of the two in 5-10 mobs, wiki implies it drops every time? Anyone able to prove this should be increased?

[nilbog]

Been soloing on my druid in EJ, the Cyanide and blood thorn extract only dropping maybe one of the two in 5-10 mobs, wiki implies it drops every time? Anyone able to prove this should be increased?

Developers do not read or maintain the wiki.

http://eq.magelo.com/item/16978#dropped
http://eq.magelo.com/item/16825#dropped

Drops are slightly better than those %s.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Most the wiki drop percentages are incorrect. There simply isn't enough data/sample size to accurately gauge the percentages and the WIKI does not have access to the Devs or database.

It's player maintained so it's effectively just notes.

[Sylexis]

Thanks Nilbog! Poor Rogues!

[maximum]

you don't even have a rogue dum dum

Developers rarely dabble in the matters of Melee Classes. +1