Feign Death

[Virtuosos]

question.....how does feign death work? im sitting here trying to understand it, and yet everything i do goes against what i thought.

what i THOUGHT happened was, when FD was successful, aggro was gone : you aggro a mob, mob comes up and starts hitting, you successfully FD, mob should act like you disappeared and it should path back after a good minute.


but, im sitting here watching myself FD in runnyeye atm and i am pulling, I aggro, successful FD, but the mob keeps hitting on me. This is happening alot, and its kinda funky cause i dont understand why its happening.

[Itchybottom]

turn auto attack off first

[Virtuosos]

autoattack automatically turns off when you feign death i thought?

[girth]

Auto attack on when you FD causes it to mess up like 90% of the time. Always, always turn it off before FD.

[Virtuosos]

hah kk thanks :p

[Holey]

and work on LoS :D

[XDrake]

Some FD lessons...

1. If you are being hit the FD is harder. The more mobs hitting you the more difficult. I try to get a little space before I FD.

2. If the MOB is a caster and is in midcast you're fucked. It won't stop the spell because you are FD and once the spell lands they will be on you like white on rice.

3. If you break aggro and the mob walks away don't get up. Wait for a message (usually takes a minute to two minutes) that says, "Your enemies have forgotten about you!" Otherwise, they will be coming back for you.

[Anaiyah]

The above info is correct, but should also mention that if you can see a non roaming NPC return to their spawn, they have forgotten you at that time. You do not have to wait for the message on static spawns.

[girth]

Do you last couple guys even play a FD class on here?

Feign is instant on here like early Live. Static or wanderers lose agro immediately.

[Anaiyah]

Do you last couple guys even play a FD class on here?

Feign is instant on here like early Live. Static or wanderers lose agro immediately.

I dont play a monk here, but my necro fd does NOT clear aggro on wanderers. It also does NOT clear aggro on anything immediately. If a static spawn is halfway back when I rise up he comes back...if I wait for him to place himself on spawn hes cleared.

If it works differently for the skill fd, Im unaware.

[Phallax]

I dont play a monk here, but my necro fd does NOT clear aggro on wanderers. It also does NOT clear aggro on anything immediately. If a static spawn is halfway back when I rise up he comes back...if I wait for him to place himself on spawn hes cleared.

If it works differently for the skill fd, Im unaware.

I never wait for the "enemies forgot" msg. I just get up, never had problems.

[Anaiyah]

As far as I can tell, and I havent done any truly gnarly splits so far...you can stand back up without the 'forgotten you' message on static spawns once they are statically placed again. If you can still see a wandering mob, and you stand up after FD before you get the 'forgotten you' message, you will watch it turn and come back.

The main snare/fd splitting method of pulling multiples, snaring one, letting the rest path back to static, and getting up and having the snared one come at you works fine here. This mechanic incorporates a great deal of the claims in this thread every time its used, and I use it often.

[PhelanKA]

As far as I can tell, and I havent done any truly gnarly splits so far...you can stand back up without the 'forgotten you' message on static spawns once they are statically placed again. If you can still see a wandering mob, and you stand up after FD before you get the 'forgotten you' message, you will watch it turn and come back.



Huh? That's totally incorrect unless you have a dot on it before you stand back up. I use FD to clear aggro all the time and instantly stand back up with no re-aggro as long as I'm not in aggro range where I FD at. In Classic I remember it working as you describe though. On P99, as long as you don't get the "Player1 has fallen to the ground" message you can get up without it coming back.

[Anaiyah]

Thinking about what you are saying I guess its totally possible that I just do overkill...easy enough to test :) I mostly use these tactics out of habit and they work fine, but they would also work fine if fd just clears all aggro immediately as well and I may just not have noticed.

[Noleafclover]

If you can still see a wandering mob, and you stand up after FD before you get the 'forgotten you' message, you will watch it turn and come back.

You are in aggro range.

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[Noleafclover]

Some FD lessons...

1. If you are being hit the FD is harder. The more mobs hitting you the more difficult. I try to get a little space before I FD.

2. If the MOB is a caster and is in midcast you're fucked. It won't stop the spell because you are FD and once the spell lands they will be on you like white on rice.

3. If you break aggro and the mob walks away don't get up. Wait for a message (usually takes a minute to two minutes) that says, "Your enemies have forgotten about you!" Otherwise, they will be coming back for you.

3. As has been said, no.

2. Only damaging spells, or dots with a damage component, or fear. Root/dots, things that you wouldn't imagine would make your character visibly cringe/react do not, as it were, *out* you to the mob as alive.

1. This may be so, that feigning as you're being swung on decreases success chance, but I can say of a certainty that having more, or higher level, mobs simply aggroed on you decreases success rate.

A couple tips for the monks out there:

First, make a feign-in-combat hotkey. /attack off. /doability X. /sit. /attack on. Pretty damn useful.

Be familiar with using f9 to change views, and obv. use line of sight.

Most sexily, feign as you round a corner and you just cast monk disintegrate. Stand up without waiting on the mob and it's like the mob ceased to be.


He recalled countering Sammael's last move with something particulary nasty, but he could not pull the memory to the surface. Not balefire. "Mustn't use that. Threatens the fabric of the Pattern. Not even for Ilyena? I would burn the world and use my soul for tinder to hear her laugh again."

[Zithax]

Do you last couple guys even play a FD class on here?

Feign is instant on here like early Live. Static or wanderers lose agro immediately.

LOL wondering the same thing right now.

XDrake's points one and three are just wrong. Point two is half true, in some cases you can run around a corner/wall out of LoS and it will interrupt the cast. You do want to time your fd's to after a spell hits as well.

[Virtuosos]

i know about casting mobs and most everything about monks, just never have i heard a monk in teamspeak go "fuck i forgot to turn autoattack off" so just blurry on that...thanks for the additional advice though guys, working alot better now lol

[XDrake]

3. As has been said, no.

2. Only damaging spells, or dots with a damage component, or fear. Root/dots, things that you wouldn't imagine would make your character visibly cringe/react do not, as it were, *out* you to the mob as alive.

1. This may be so, that feigning as you're being swung on decreases success chance, but I can say of a certainty that having more, or higher level, mobs simply aggroed on you decreases success rate.

A couple tips for the monks out there:

First, make a feign-in-combat hotkey. /attack off. /doability X. /sit. /attack on. Pretty damn useful.

Be familiar with using f9 to change views, and obv. use line of sight.

Most sexily, feign as you round a corner and you just cast monk disintegrate. Stand up without waiting on the mob and it's like the mob ceased to be.


He recalled countering Sammael's last move with something particulary nasty, but he could not pull the memory to the surface. Not balefire. "Mustn't use that. Threatens the fabric of the Pattern. Not even for Ilyena? I would burn the world and use my soul for tinder to hear her laugh again."

Not sure if Necromancer Feign Death and Monk Skill Feign Death are different. But, these are true for me even in P99.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also know that mobs who cast targetable AOE are fucking hackers on p1999--they don't care about LOS or range on their spell, they'll get it done once they start casting it, and as said before, if a spell hits you while you're down, the jig is up o_O

[girth]

Not sure if Necromancer Feign Death and Monk Skill Feign Death are different. But, these are true for me even in P99.

Even if that's the case, SK and necro use the same and I'm telling you, the loss of agro is INSTANT no matter what kind of mob it is unless you fail the FD or have it DoT'ed, in which case it will come right back to you as soon as you stand up and he takes another tick of damage.

[Noleafclover]

Re: "your enemies have forgotten you!" message -

To use some logic terms, it's sufficient that you wait until this message and stand and not have aggro, but it's by no means necessary.

The only thing that's both nec. and suf. is that you feign. Of course, if you stand while the mob's around you get aggro again.

There is a sense in which aggro remains after you feign and that is - mobs that had more aggro will remain longer (generally), so the mob w/ initial and not assist aggro, and probably with an attack from you, will remain around longer.

As far as guy concerned about wanderers not losing aggro on feign, I may have been a little .. not harsh... but inspecific to say you're in aggro range - sudden movements lengthen a mob's aggro range slightly, so that's something to take into account if it seems like they aggro from farther than normal.

[Cogwell]

On live, any mob under a certain level (35 or so) will automatically lose aggro. Above that, they would follow the normal rules and reset aggro only on reset (if static) or after you /quit (until they put in the aggro-wipe timer).

That might be the confusion about wanderers remaining aggroed.

[Messianic]

On live, any mob under a certain level (35 or so) will automatically lose aggro. Above that, they would follow the normal rules and reset aggro only on reset (if static) or after you /quit (until they put in the aggro-wipe timer).

That might be the confusion about wanderers remaining aggroed.

Ok, I was confused up to this point. As long as I could remember, current live rules about FD were in place, so I wasn't aware that in classic all FD de-aggro was instant. Probably makes a few places a lot easier...

[Jaco]

First, make a FD macro to replace your basic Feign Death shortcut
1st line: /attack off
2nd line: /doability x (or /cast x for spells iirc)
x is the number of the feign death ability in your ability page (ctrl Q) 1 to 6 left to right or for combat page from 7 to 10.
Don't add /stand /sit or anything else as you're gonna feel bad if you get a lag spike and press it twice by mistake, or make another macro for losing aggro during-combat if you're too lazy to standup and autoattack manually :p

Failed fd "soandso has fallen to the ground" message is random. Sometimes you can fail 3 in row, even at max skill, and alone. Its just that you notice it more when you fail in a dangerous situation.
If you don't get the skill failed message and mobs are still hiting you, then YOU did something wrong.

After a successful FD, you are immediately wiped from all the mobs aggro lists, static or wanderer. When the mobs leave, you can stand up as soon as they are out of aggro range (or dont see you anymore), no need to wait.

Its true it was different on live, mobs would only forget you once they came back to their initial spawn point.
This would lead to more complex and fun pulling when it involved roamers, ie more tactical pulls as it could take quite some time for roamers to get back to their spawn point and reset aggro.
I remember the riot when Fear first opened on live, its just that 60% of the map is made of roamers that were hardly ever losing aggro (if you didn't /q out)
Thus misleading noob monks into: FD is broken! Because they had no clue why they kept pulling trains.

The automatic message after being FD for 2 mins "Your ennemies have forgotten about you" was added at some point on live to please some monk whines on official forums (see previous point :rolleyes:). But it never really worked, you would rather /q out anyway, and it doesn't matter on this server since mobs immediately forget about you.

The mobs return to their spot "randomly", there is no set time or nothing that influence how long they'll camp you, the one you pulled and damaged to 50% may be leaving before adds.

Regarding pulling, its a lot easier here than on live for numerous reasons, but as a general rule, its best to break LoS before FDing, indeed when pulling casters ... and wait for their aoe fire spells (no los required) to hit you before you FD.
Also, don't forget to use your skill arsenal and the environment to your advantage :D

Have fun,

Sochin.

[Seritaph]

Instructional video on how to feign death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQnlzj_0ec

[Loke]

1) I heard if you FD facing the mob, you have a 50% higher chance of success.

2) Monk NPCs, like Kiraikuei, have a higher chance of detecting your FD since they are monks and "in the know".

3) Having FD in spell slot 8 or hotkey 6 gives you a 20% higher chance to stay feigned through spells being cast on you.

Misinformation ITT.

[Itchybottom]

Instructional video on how to feign death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQnlzj_0ec

Did she lose her corpse? She appears to be wearing cloth.