Gnoll Fang Exp in Qeynos

[Pinolian]

Credit Goes to BarakObooma for this research. Truthfully, I just noticed the frenzied approach other players take to this zone, and its acidic effect on the community while playing there. Now its obvious that there is a reason why.

Currently, as implemented, gnoll fang turn in to Captain Tillman in Qeynos renders too much experience. This leads to slumming by higher level characters in a zone meant for characters generally between 5 and 16. The exp should fall closer in line with other newbie quests that are relevant to their starting dungeon

As it stands today, it can be proven that 300 fangs will take a player from level 12-level 20

See post 131 in this thread

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144685&page=14


There's a post from 2001 where a Dwarf Paladin said he went from level 6 to 7 on one stack of fangs.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2878

"this is an excellant quest for newbies in quenos...when you get to 5th lvl go to blackburrow and save the fangs (they stack)..and when your not busy or you go to quenoys to sell loot complete it.good exp i went from lvl 6 to lvl 7 with 1 stack (includes doing the moonstone part)

Daldane
9 pally Dwarf"


Level 6 would take 91,000 experience x 40% penalty = 127,400 experience needed. Divided by 20 fangs, that would mean each fang = 6370 experience which is less than 1/3 of what it currently is (19-20k each).

Clearly something is amiss here. Please take a look.

[nilbog]

I do not believe hybrid penalties apply to quest exp.

[Pinolian]

A stack of gnoll fangs at level 6 now would take you well beyond one level. Would me creating a paladin newbie and turning in 20 fangs showing the amount of exp gained in comparison help?

[BarackObooma]

Hi Nilblog,

We acknowledge that the experience per fang is the same regardless of race/class/etc. What we're saying is comparing a 2001 example from ZAM to my character's current experience turning them in shows that the fangs are giving 3x as much experience as they were back in classic.

My comparison was comparing a 2001 Dwarf Paladin who went from level 6 to 7 on one stack of 20 gnoll fangs.

I compared this to my 22 Ranger: For a 22 Ranger it took exactly 100 fangs to go from 22 to 23 (1,387,000 x 1.4 = 1,941,800 experience needed to level – divided by 100 equates to the 19-20k per fang estimate).

Level 6 would take 91,000 experience base x 40% penalty = 127,400 experience needed. Divided by 20 fangs, that would mean each fang = 6370 experience (back in 2001) which is less than 1/3 of what it currently is (19-20k each).

[BarackObooma]

It's hard finding examples for it on ZAM because they don't even list the Qeynos quest, only the Halas one (which was always trash experience).

Forgot to put the original post (2001) link. Note also that it says that the level was turning in the full stack plus the moonstones which would give even more experience although that quest gives minimal. I may make a level 1 and test to see how much experience the moonstone quest gives. A lot of people don't bother with it and sell them to the vendors.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2878

"this is an excellant quest for newbies in quenos...when you get to 5th lvl go to blackburrow and save the fangs (they stack)..and when your not busy or you go to quenoys to sell loot complete it.good exp i went from lvl 6 to lvl 7 with 1 stack (includes doing the moonstone part)

Daldane
9 pally Dwarf"

[Potus]

Gnoll Fang exp on this server is classic. (http://web.archive.org/web/20010522140138/http://www.everlore.com/quests/default.asp?mode=35&id=4169)

I found that for about a level 5 character the exp gotten from the teeth things hels alot. I turned in 12 teeth to captain Tillin on the balcony and I went up a full level up to level 6.

My Bar. Shm as a lvl 7 could lvl to 8 with just 10 Gnoll fangs. It's a very good and useful quest and i highly recomend everyone going to Black Burrow not only to lvl from the gnolls but als to lvl with the gnoll fangs. Very easy.

Seems like people report varying degrees of exp gains. Another guy says it took him 93 to get a level. It's dubious to base all your claims on one Alla post.

[Velerin]

I think the exp gain is fine and classic as it is. The part I'm pretty sure is not classic is the exp doesn't really bottom out for this or the other high exp newbie quests. I tested it quite a while back, and at level 35 clearing the zone (late night when zone was empty, no newbies were harmed in this test) you could average about ~30 fangs for 1 clear. Turn that in and it was like 4-5% of lvl 35 (hell level). Also when I was 99% into lvl 49, just for fun I bought up like 10 cb belts to see what would happen. Ding 50. I have no idea if that part is classic or not.

[BarackObooma]

Thanks for the link. The guy stated at level 13, he turned in 87 gnoll fangs and got 4.5 yellows.

Let's do the math.

Level & XP Needed To Level (without class/race mods)
1 1000
2 7,000
3 19,000
4 37,000
5 61,000
6 91,000
7 127,000
8 169,000
9 217,000
10 271,000
11 331,000
12 397,000
13 469,000
14 547,000
15 631,000
16 721,000
17 817,000
18 919,000
19 1,027,000
20 1,141,000
21 1,261,000
22 1,387,000
23 1,519,000
24 1,657,000
25 1,801,000
26 1,951,000
27 2,107,000
28 2,269,000
29 2,437,000
30 5,311,000
31 3,070,100
32 3,274,700
33 3,485,900
34 3,703,700
35 8,215,600
36 4,537,200
37 4,796,400
38 5,062,800
39 5,336,400
40 12,017,200
41 6,397,300
42 6,717,100
43 7,044,700
44 7,380,100
45 16,835,800
46 8,695,400
47 9,081,800
48 9,476,600
49 9,879,800
50 10,291,400
51 23,976,500
52 25,996,300
53 28,118,100
54 46,090,700
55 33,568,400
56 36,043,600
57 38,631,000
58 41,333,000
59 64,689,900
60 48,152,500

He didn't say what race/class he was so let's assume he has no experience penalties at all. He would need 469,000 experience to completely finish 13. He got through 4.5 out of 5 yellows which is 90% of the level. 469,000 x .9 = 422,000 exp gained. Divide that by the 87 gnoll fangs he used and you get 4851 exp per fang. This is 1/3 to 1/4 of what it gives now (19-20k each) which is similar to my other finding.

[BarackObooma]

The post right below his. "I found that for about a level 5 character the exp gotten from the teeth things hels alot. I turned in 12 teeth to captain Tillin on the balcony and I went up a full level up to level 6."

Let's do the math. Again assuming no race/class penalties.

Experience needed from 5 to 6 = 61,000. Divide that by 12 fangs and you get 5083 exp per fang. Very close to the other two samples.

[Potus]

And the 7 to 8 on just 10 fangs?

[BarackObooma]

That is where it doesn't make sense. "My Bar. Shm as a lvl 7 could lvl to 8 with just 10 Gnoll fangs." Based on that it would be about 12k per, still way under the 19k-20k now. Something dubious about his post though. It was prior to a patch that someone mentioned that he was sure increased experience. "Also as of the Sep 28 2000 Patch this quest seems to be worth more exp to me, worth as much as crushbone belts!!! Any one else want to try to find out and verify if I am right? Because I am only 80% sure on the incresed exp. "

[BarackObooma]

Just read the 9/28/00 patch notes and there is nothing about this quest changing at all.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2000-2.html

[Potus]

There's a lot dubious about a lot of the posts. They all have different returns on exp. Also that thread has 5 pages, sadly only page one of the comments are archived. Who knows what the next four pages would say.

I'm curious what the motivation is for this change, do you find this non-classic or are you really just upset that a level 20 is killing gnolls in Blackburrow?

[baalzy]

That is where it doesn't make sense. "My Bar. Shm as a lvl 7 could lvl to 8 with just 10 Gnoll fangs." Based on that it would be about 12k per, still way under the 19k-20k now. Something dubious about his post though. It was prior to a patch that someone mentioned that he was sure increased experience. "Also as of the Sep 28 2000 Patch this quest seems to be worth more exp to me, worth as much as crushbone belts!!! Any one else want to try to find out and verify if I am right? Because I am only 80% sure on the incresed exp. "

10 fangs to go from 7 - 8 means they were hitting the XP per turnin/kill cap. No matter how much xp a mob or quest gives a character cannot gain more than 11% (half a yellow) of xp.

[BarackObooma]

I'm pretty sure the 11% rule is only on killing mobs, not quest experience.

Regarding my motivation. The guy who started the bug report (Pin) had made an angry thread asking that trivial loot code be put in so that anyone 18 or higher wouldn't have fangs drop because he wanted to hunt in Blackburrow and not have to compete with other people.

The only part I agreed with is that the experience given was not classic as anything that gave that great of experience would have been very well known on live and it just wasn't. So, I decided to experiment with the math to see. If it's not classic it should be fixed. Personally, I would prefer it stays as is since I'm an altoholic.

[BarackObooma]

In the Wiki game mechanics section:

"Note: As of July 2013, there is now a maximum XP gained from a single mob of 11%."

[BarackObooma]

I heard that level one's who turn in the Rogue/Cleric epic for example ding to level 3 or 4 so quest experience wouldn't be capped.

[baalzy]

I'm pretty sure the 11% rule is only on killing mobs, not quest experience.

its mobs AND quest. Make a level 1, do the mail quest from felwithe to kelethin. You get 11%. Get to level 4, do the quest again. You get 11%.

[Potus]

I'm pretty sure the 11% rule is only on killing mobs, not quest experience.

Regarding my motivation. The guy who started the bug report (Pin) had made an angry thread asking that trivial loot code be put in so that anyone 18 or higher wouldn't have fangs drop because he wanted to hunt in Blackburrow and not have to compete with other people.

The only part I agreed with is that the experience given was not classic as anything that gave that great of experience would have been very well known on live and it just wasn't. So, I decided to experiment with the math to see. If it's not classic it should be fixed. Personally, I would prefer it stays as is since I'm an altoholic.

It might have slipped through the cracks. Tumpy Tonics obviously got nerfed because at the time it was "discovered" Verant had not began splitting servers and overpopulation was a very real problem. Having 30-40 people running to get Tumpy drunk started to upset the developers.

Orc belts remained in the game and they provide an incredible amount of exp, even after Crushbone greens out.

My guess is it just wasn't noticed because Gnoll Fangs are no drop, hard to sell those for money, and Black Burrow was always a train nightmare. Lots of people stayed away from it. I know I did as noobie.

[uygi]

I do not believe hybrid penalties apply to quest exp.

Nilbog, the penalty doesn't affect amount of experience received in any way, quest or killing. A 10% penalty simply gives that character a larger "bucket" to fill before they reach the next level.

Unsure if there is now a cap on XP from a single quest turn-in. I know there wasn't one a few years ago because there was some guy doing khukri quests with his level 1 and he'd get several levels per turn-in as he was much lower than the intended level for the quest.

[Niadissa]

Gnoll fang turn in from qeynos has always been a bit obscene, however I can't really say if the xp is classic or not as I don't have any hard data to back it up. Just know that qeynos was always my favorite newbie zone because of it.

[BigHurb]

the 11% max starts to diminish after level ten , but then stops diminishing

you can use gnoll fangs well into your 40's, 50's .. its not working like it should... waaaay to efficient for everquest

[Niadissa]

Just to add to this, I decided to test the xp with a character in the 20's. Took my Level 22 High Elf Wizard and turned in 2 Gnoll fangs 1 at a time, first one took me from 67% to 69% and the second one only went from 69% to 70%. Not sure if this is classic or not, as I never hunted in this zone on live past level 14 or 15 but just wanted to add to the information available.

[Buellen]

OK

Did some research here is a few link and post from everlore using way back machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020826050647/http://www.everlore.com/quests/default.asp?mode=35&id=98885

**Submited by:*Tanuvan On:*2/26/2001 10:07:23 PM Rank:**

I am a lvl 6 druid and when i gave him 6 gnoll fangs, it almost leveled me to 7th.
its a pretty good exp quest. the bartender doesnt give much exp though.:('''



:*madalorian On:*11/7/2000 12:14:34 PM Rank:** worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
this is a great quest until lvl18
my lvl8 shaman gets great exp for this quest
just deliver gnoll fangs from bb to the guard
when you don that deliver the moonstones to the man in the back for fish man ale


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http://web.archive.org/web/20010522140138/http://www.everlore.com/quests/default.asp?mode=35&id=4169

*Larzuk Logic On:*2/12/2001 3:22:29 PM Rank:** worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best

hello Everyone. I will give some good Simple info. You can do 2 Quest with the teeth and there is other one that connects to it when you do one quest total of 3 Quest in 1.

Well 1st Quest is give 3 teeth at a time to the Warrior Trainer (its a Girl). She is located in Hallas. Give her 3 at a Time you get EXP, Factions, And she gives you food, torches, water and some other stuff.

2nd Quest is in Qeynos. Give 1 teeth at a time to captain Tillin on the balcony of the Arena called "The Grounds of Fate". He gives you EXP, Factions, and Mone Stones. If I remmember right every teeth is 1 moonstone.

The 3rd Quest Comes From the MoonStones. Go to the Bar by the Ports Its named Fish Ale. Something like that =). But its by the ports. Give 4 MoonStones to the Bar keeper in the Very Back of the store. (I forget his name). Give him 4 at at a time or 1, 2, 3, or 4 . I suggest 4 Because its Faster. And hi will give you some Beer. 1 stone = 1 Beer then when the beer stacks up you can sell it for 1 PP 3 Gold 7 Silver 4 Cop.
He will give you the Beer and EXP.


*Larzuk Logic On:*2/12/2001 3:22:29 PM Rank:** worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
hello Everyone. I will give some good Simple info. You can do 2 Quest with the teeth and there is other one that connects to it when you do one quest total of 3 Quest in 1.

Well 1st Quest is give 3 teeth at a time to the Warrior Trainer (its a Girl). She is located in Hallas. Give her 3 at a Time you get EXP, Factions, And she gives you food, torches, water and some other stuff.

2nd Quest is in Qeynos. Give 1 teeth at a time to captain Tillin on the balcony of the Arena called "The Grounds of Fate". He gives you EXP, Factions, and Mone Stones. If I remmember right every teeth is 1 moonstone.

The 3rd Quest Comes From the MoonStones. Go to the Bar by the Ports Its named Fish Ale. Something like that =). But its by the ports. Give 4 MoonStones to the Bar keeper in the Very Back of the store. (I forget his name). Give him 4 at at a time or 1, 2, 3, or 4 . I suggest 4 Because its Faster. And hi will give you some Beer. 1 stone = 1 Beer then when the beer stacks up you can sell it for 1 PP 3 Gold 7 Silver 4 Cop.
He will give you the Beer and EXP.

This Quest I think is a great one you get a hell of alot EXP. people under lvl 11 I highly recommend this Quest. I was lvl 13 when I knew about this and I have 93 Teeth lvled me up to lvl 14 and with 87 teeth it gave me 4 1/2 Orange Bubbles. Sweet Quest.

Well thats about It for this Gnoll Fang Quests.
If there is more to it I would like to know.
But this quest for me is no longer worth it I am to high of a lvl for this quest to even give me good EXP. I am lvl 19 now. But I used this quest even when I was lvl 17 and 18 its a good quest. Highly recommend it. This Quest I think is a great one you get a hell of alot EXP. people under lvl 11 I highly recommend this Quest. I was lvl 13 when I knew about this and I have 93 Teeth lvled me up to lvl 14 and with 87 teeth it gave me 4 1/2 Orange Bubbles. Sweet Quest.

Well thats about It for this Gnoll Fang Quests.
If there is more to it I would like to know.
But this quest for me is no longer worth it I am to high of a lvl for this quest to even give me good EXP. I am lvl 19 now. But I used this quest even when I was lvl 17 and 18 its a good quest. Highly recommend it.

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By far the third section give the most proof in my view that here on p1999 this quest should give very diminished returns on xp after level 18.

Mind you that was 180 gnoll fangs to go from level 13 to 14 and 4 .5 yellow into 14.

According to this guide in wiki : http://wiki.project1999.com/Gosh%27s_Blackburrow_300_Gnoll_Fang_Guide

you can go from 11 to 20 on just 300 fangs this show the quest is giving way way to much XP. It took the above post 180 to go 2 levels almost.

[Iumuno]

Pasted from the thread on the server chat:

I found this on allakhazam.
exceelant
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# Jul 30 2001 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
mayhim
25 posts
this is an excellant quest for newbies in quenos...when you get to 5th lvl go to blackburrow and save the fangs (they stack)..and when your not busy or you go to quenoys to sell loot complete it.good exp i went from lvl 6 to lvl 7 with 1 stack (includes doing the moonstone part)

Daldane
9 pally Dwarf

It took this guy an entire stack to go from level 6 to level 7. I also found this


RE: faction and XP
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# Sep 07 2000 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
Aindolaf
29 posts
I handed in about 40 fangs at lvl 15, and gained almost 2.5 bubs of exp, this quest is very good exp for lower lvls. Plus the faction you get from the fangs and moonstones is great, as by the time the corrupt guards would want to kill me, I will have already left for newer zones for bigger foes.

[Buellen]

Le Bumb

[Buellen]

Bumb down to page 5 see if get some sniffing at this