What would get you to play Red99?

[Faerie]

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[BigHurb]

a big dick in my butt controlling my arms

[daasgoot]

blue to red character copy/transfer

or

Some crazy ass exp bonus

[phacemeltar]

better community. from what i can tell on forums theres only like 8 people on red who are social in any regard, and all they do is call each other ******s and faggots. not really the "community" i would be interested to join.

[JPMorgan]

better community. from what i can tell on forums theres only like 8 people on red who are social in any regard, and all they do is call each other ******s and faggots. not really the "community" i would be interested to join.

I don't know about myself, I'd have to think about it more. However, I bet if some of the neckbeards cut back on the twinks you'd retain more converts.

Exp bonus would also be nice. Leveling to end game in an environment that lacks groups sounds painful. Blue server is for the leveling experience: red is not.

[khanable]

-xp bonus that makes playing an iksar sk not suck
-a community that isn't toxic as fuck
-at least 250 players

[Tikker]

turn off pvp ;)

[Fame]

better community. from what i can tell on forums theres only like 8 people on red who are social in any regard, and all they do is call each other ******s and faggots. not really the "community" i would be interested to join.

kicked my head back and chortled heartily

[BigHurb]

i do enjoy spewing some filth but its only because im mentally ill ... whats ur excuse "norms"

[Claytonhowell]

Complete removal of PvP then I would consider it. Oh, wait they already have a server that doesn't suck as bad as red.

[Kekephee]

and all they do is call each other ******s and faggots.


God it feels so good to be able to laugh again

Thank you

[Kekephee]

For me the real issue with red is not that I would lose fights, nor that I would be surrounded by degenerates and apes. It's the fact that I would be losing fights to degenerates and apes and my ego is just too fragile to live in a place like that.


Also the fact that I was playing my wizard and every zone had 3 people in it at the most, and I felt like I was lost in space. A space where at any moment some degenerate ape could come and kill me just because he felt the whim to make my day a little less pleasant.

[Lune]

Custom content, like guild-controllable objectives out in the world. Like that tower on the zoneline from NK to SK, Highkeep, or the docks in Oasis. Maybe controlling them would periodically grant the guild gems or xp bonus or something, I dunno. Basic vanilla EQ pvp isn't very compelling to me.

Oh and the vast majority of the current red community would need to be gone

yea I know, custom content is a dirty phrase here

[Clark]

Oh and the vast majority of the current red community would need to be gone

lol

[myriverse]

Have a Priest of Order so you could turn in your book and opt out.

Unless you want to get really rough and start threatening my kid or something.

[Daldaen]

A classic PvP server:

No serverwide OOC
No PvP serverwide messages each kill
Item Loot
No EXP bonus
Copying Blue toons over to facilitate more competitive PvP

Sounds about right.

[Marqus]

The last "good" guild on Red just died. There is no reason to play Red. Red is dead. The Devs do not care about Red.

[Origin]

A classic PvP server:

No serverwide OOC
No PvP serverwide messages each kill
Item Loot
No EXP bonus
Copying Blue toons over to facilitate more competitive PvP

Sounds about right.

This is pretty much it.

Otherwise, dead box is dead.

[Swish]

Wouldn't take much, just switch the XP rate back to what it was and what people have enjoyed for 2+ years.

[FindCorpse]

My one experience with red was being grieved by a super twink that kept a character at max pvp level range for all the different level tiers so he could annoy players of any level entering the estate of unrest. He kept spouting about how we were noobs, which we were and he was going to continue to own us all day. Not very smart if you want to retain a player base. The entire group I was with couldn't kill this guy. What's the point in grieving new players?

[Wudan]

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send me 1000$ check once a week, I might consider it.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/UHvRnmi.gif

Guess which doge plays in Red?

[Tecmos Deception]

My one experience with red was being grieved by a super twink that kept a character at max pvp level range for all the different level tiers so he could annoy players of any level entering the estate of unrest. He kept spouting about how we were noobs, which we were and he was going to continue to own us all day. Not very smart if you want to retain a player base. The entire group I was with couldn't kill this guy. What's the point in grieving new players?

Those players are the very small minority on red. Unfortunately it doesn't take more than a few of them to chase off a lot of new players who would otherwise enjoy the server.

The worst part is that those dudes think they're doing a service to red. They really seem to believe that any player who would leave the server after being griefed to hell by a small army of twinks maintained just for the purpose of annihilating lowbies who are just trying to get their feet wet shouldn't be on red in the first place.

The majority of players on red are pretty normal people. Unfortunately the vocal minority of retards on the forums and griefers in the game chase off a lot of new players before they can realize this and get hooked on the server.


For real. If *I* can have fun on red, most blue players should be able to.

My advice to anyone who is on the fence about trying red is to wait until the devs finally push through these plans they've got in store for the server and then try it out... while keeping in mind that the retards ARE out there and part of playing on a PVP server is not putting yourself into situations where they can get the best of you. You wouldn't charge into befallen as a level 3 on blue and then complain that it was too hard for you and that you're going to quit because the mobs in there were griefing you. You shouldn't expect to level up as a PVP noob in unrest on red without running into some difficulties either. And if "PVP happens" ... even if it is some twink being an asshole ... brush it off. It IS a PVP server after all. You should expect to die.

[Daldaen]

PvP should force no anon/roleplay so you can't hide and should prevent bagging gear before you die when item loot is in place.

Would be some solid open world PvP if that happens.

[Tecmos Deception]

So when you said you wanted a classic PVP server, Dald, what you actually meant was "I want a very, very custom PVP server" ... right?

[Faywind]

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A little cyber session with you...and I will switch to red!

[myriverse]

http://i.imgur.com/UHvRnmi.gif
Guess which doge plays in Red?
Neither. The "Red" dog would have pissed in the white dog's face and eaten him.

In.
That.
Order.

[Daldaen]

So when you said you wanted a classic PVP server, Dald, what you actually meant was "I want a very, very custom PVP server" ... right?

I'd be fine with legit classic. But we both know that shit won't happen.

Can keep your bagging items and roleplay to hide if you want. Just removing those would facilitate more PvPing which seems to be the end goal I think?

The removal of the current non classic components (zone wide OOC and zone wide PvP announcements) would just facilitate less asshattery. Cause all they do currently is create drama and help people flex E-Peen when they cast Sunstrike and got lucky with 2 full hits.

[Daldaen]

Oh and teams. VZ / TZ were legit.

[QuasiGnome]

I'm true blue and killing other players really doesnt do anything for me. In fact, I would probably apologize and feel terrible that I might have wrecked someone's day lol. Then, I'd be afraid they were gonna come back with more and ruin my day.

I enjoy leveling/gearing up to kill Bosses/Dragons/Gods not other players.

So, not much chance that I would play on Red. But if I consider what it would take, I would say:
1) I wouldn't want to be griefed (I know this can't happen but it's what I would want)
2) Teams (at least 3)
3) A strong guild to have my back (I've been terrible in EVERY PvP MMO, I doubt this would be any different)
4) A white flag of surrender for the times that I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't want to die
5) A quiet corner where I could escape the insanity and gently sob from time to time

Long shot, right?

[sanforce]

I just don't want to go through the leveling process again, starting with nothing. Copy my blue character to red and I'm there.

[Faerie]

This thread has been hilarious. Thanks, blue server :)

You stay classy.

[Champion_Standing]

Absolutely nothing, entire server and its population are toxic and should be purged.

[Messianic]

It's a fair question, but EQ PvP is horrible to me. The mechanics would have to be a lot smoother.

[JPMorgan]

I'd be fine with legit classic. But we both know that shit won't happen.

Can keep your bagging items and roleplay to hide if you want. Just removing those would facilitate more PvPing which seems to be the end goal I think?

The removal of the current non classic components (zone wide OOC and zone wide PvP announcements) would just facilitate less asshattery. Cause all they do currently is create drama and help people flex E-Peen when they cast Sunstrike and got lucky with 2 full hits.

You know you can't loot items on Red right now, right? Besides, both of your ideas are terrible: a very real issue with new Red players is getting cheesed on by twinks. Your solution is to make it easier for the twinks, while taking away the little gear that these newbs have?

Wrong.

Also: I think getting rid of global OOC is a terrible idea. The world is already so under populated that I think I would just quit Red altogether. The shit talking isn't that bad, and when it does flare up it's always between end game players with history. I've seen plenty of YT text go down between what I am assuming are "no name" players. There is little to no trolling that follows other than "Damn, Nihilum is taking a beating tonight."

Why make that staggering 80 population seem even more distant by removing global ooc?

[Mirana]

better community. from what i can tell on forums theres only like 8 people on red who are social in any regard, and all they do is call each other ******s and faggots. not really the "community" i would be interested to join.

Hahaha this made me laugh, probably because it was stated so "matter of fact"ly

[Yonkec]

Teams.

[fadetree]

Turn it into Warhammer. EQ Pvp blows.

[Hamahakki]

- Turn off PVP
- Current red population quits
- Blue population is transferred over to red except for the people I don't like

[Fame]

Truth is, most of you people could not handle the pvp aspect of this game.

[Raavak]

no douchebags

[Pheer]

Custom content, like guild-controllable objectives out in the world. Like that tower on the zoneline from NK to SK, Highkeep, or the docks in Oasis. Maybe controlling them would periodically grant the guild gems or xp bonus or something, I dunno. Basic vanilla EQ pvp isn't very compelling to me.

Oh and the vast majority of the current red community would need to be gone

yea I know, custom content is a dirty phrase here

could have dropped that paragraph and just said "bring back guildwars server"

[Leeyuuduu]

Truth is, most of you people could not handle the pvp aspect of this game.

Yes because pvp in EQ1 is srs business
Even PvP in EQ1 is more about grinding xp/loot in PvE than it is about actually PvPing

[Clark]

I like seeing Azrael get bosses. Pretty much sickened at Red Dawn from everything I've gathered on the forums they hand hold with Nihilum. Glad to see Nihilum not hording everything like the unloyal scum they are.

[Tecmos Deception]

Yes because pvp in EQ1 is srs business
Even PvP in EQ1 is more about grinding xp/loot in PvE than it is about actually PvPing

He didn't mean that PVP in EQ is ridiculously difficult so much as that blue players are generally wimps. Like those FE guys who started on red and then ragequit and started a huge QQ thread on the forums about how they got griefed off the server... all because of 5 PVP deaths between the 3 of them.

[Leeyuuduu]

Oh, well, my misunderstanding then.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Small pixel package to get my level 22 enchanter off the ground.

I let his corpse rot.

His corpse had 11p on it

No money, no hoes

[grenravenlock]

The majority of players on red are pretty normal people. Unfortunately the vocal minority of retards on the forums and griefers in the game chase off a lot of new players before they can realize this and get hooked on the server.


Ironicly that is the same on any game. Even the all mighty p99 Blue does this indirectly with antisocial powerlevelers. You can pick any online game and find their forums full of whining kids complaining about stuff that is not broken or that is working as intended. I pvped on Vallon Zek and found it to be fun but with how horrible class balance is in EQ. I would never want to relive it. When I was younger and did not know better it was fun and exciting. Then when you get experience and quickly learn that some classes will never die in a 1v1 situation. Which was only made insanely worse with raid gear. But to people that like that kind of thing have a place where they can go to everyone else they have blue. Now if you reds want a game that will really beat your ass, play a real pvp game like EVE or one of the perma death korean mmo's.

[khandman]

Got a char on red I created recently when I can't get a group on blue or can't find anything else to do. So far so good with the extra challenge of levelling up without getting killed :D

[Mirakk82]

Higher population on the server wouldn't hurt. I'd like to be able to group up with folks if possible. I'm sure. pvp balance in EQ was about as terrible as I've ever seen (Looking at you, bards!), so that's not exactly making me feel fuzzy about it either.

If someone could PM me with some info about what they've experienced about the server, I can be persuaded. As it stands I'm pretty confident there's a lot of ubertwinks camping the noob zones and stroking their e-peen at the corpses they leave in their wake.

[Lojik]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MUKyhlWnrtU/UZZK7_ys12I/AAAAAAAAC74/xsc62xkxLlY/s640/oscar+wilde+dubliner+barmaxx.jpg
There is only one thing in the world worse than everquest, and that is everquest pvp.

[sedrie.bellamie]

why can't red leave blue alone? sounds like they have anger issues

[JayFiveAlive]

I'd definitely play if there was more people. I played RZ my entire EQ life until here and even though I didn't gank random people, I still loved the added tenseness and always watching my back!

[Morningbreath]

Better exp and loot. MUCH better exp and loot. It's that simple. On a PVP server, PVP should be the main focus when you login. Trying to grind levels and play the loooong drawn out leveling game of classic Everquest COMPLETELY misses the point of a PVP server.

Leveling and gearing should always be a much lower priority for players on a PVP server.

[sedrie.bellamie]

turn red pink (teams) is the only solution

[Nietche]

The central problem with red is that it wasn't classic to begin with.

Being able to loot items is the best way to alleviate groups of twinks with droppable gear (much of which is better than no drop) slaughtering newbies at a drop of a hat. In addition, no single twink is going to run around with a fungi on trying to kill a newb who just might have a couple, equally ungeared friends around willing to kill the twink with said fungi. If anything, item loot, will act as a deterrent. No-item-loot--in no way--acts as a deterrent from griefing.

If anything, xp loss in a pvp death is a deterrent to play on this server unless you have friends who can twink/pl you. Last, maintaining a +/- 4 level capacity to engage in pvp makes a lot more sense than the system that was put in place. After all, it is classic.

Your best bet is to wipe red and start over in complete classic form. People in Wudan on blue server wanted classic. When they didn't get it, they quit. I think a lot of people felt the same way, especially when all the system that was put in place did was incentivize griefing at will.

[Swish]

Trying to grind levels and play the loooong drawn out leveling game of classic Everquest COMPLETELY misses the point of a PVP server.

Apparently having 2-3 years of bonus XP and switching it off is fair on the new starters. Nilbog said he wished they'd put item loot in but couldn't do it now... imo the XP should remain at what it was by the same logic.

Good post though Morning, makes a lot of sense.

[Nietche]

Leveling and gearing should always be a much lower priority for players on a PVP server.

With item loot, this is not the case. Gearing no drop gear becomes top priority then.