The Reptilian RL Iksar Thread!

[Scrooge]

cannot close your mind to possibilities

We evolved from reptiles the oldest part of our brain is reptilian. Anything is possible in the world. Just b/c it does not fit in your perception does not mean it can't be

u feels

Now there's a thinking man right there! I don't fully agree on evolution, but I do agree that anything is possible, whether it fits our personal limits of perception, or not.

Well considering you don't think God exists and you believe that the Universe just shit itself out of nothingness. Then some how nothing miraculously turned into ultra complex systems and that DNA which contains billions of lines of computer like code some how programmed itself without help of any kind. I have no choice but to say your mind doesn't work correctly and that you're incapable of intelligent and logical thought processes.

Not only do several video's show blatantly obvious evidence of these beings existence but if you study history at all(which I know for a fact you do not), you would see the overwhelmingly recurring theme of these beings found within every single ancient civilization. It's such a recurring theme that it's survived thousands of years to this very day and you even play a game that borrows these stories from history.

Some people choose to be blind, no matter how much evidence there may be. I also find it interesting how some people will believe in things like a "Multiverse," but not in things they can actually see with their own eyes. I personally don't accept everything I see and read from the get go, it took me over a year to accept this unbelievable yet solid truth, I've seen more content on this subject than I can post here. Once again, for those with difficulty reading; the snapshots posted in this thread are there to show what the video will be about, they are not to be used as primary sources of evidence, image quality is low because I made it low for image hosting purposes, want higher quality picture? Watch the videos!

Take the show "Ancient Aliens" for example, it's not just about ET visitation dating back to the Sumerians, it's also about how it would have been impossible to build the structures like the "7 Wonders of the Ancient World" using primitive tools which our "official historians" would have us believe. It's not only conjecture either, the producers talk to the top current engineers around the world, who build the most complex building structures of the modern world using the latest tools of the trade, and still cannot reach the same heights from Old World.

P.S. If you don't feel like reading through all these spam posts by them trolls, I've included a list of the ones who litter where they're not wanted, feel free to add them to your ignore list in order to only see posts by thinking people, I have!

Current Ignore List (makes for a much easier reading of posts by people with vision!):
Ahldagor, Bardalicious, Byrjun, Circa., Glenzig, Hailto, Lojik, myriverse, nilzark, Orruar, radditsu, Rhambuk, Zadrian

[Rhambuk]

I could admit that anything and everything is indeed possible, but just because theres a possibility doesn't mean its real. why reptiles? why not sea cucumbers?



Serious question here Scrooge gonna try to not sound like an ass but I'm not sure I can with this topic.

Did you hear about it and immediately believe it?

Did you just see a video and say OMG?

What exactly made you say This is real?

I see it and its straight fantasy, in my mind its absolute absurdity. You see it as real, I must be missing something that you are seeing. Please try to tell me what made you believe it besides these videos because that can't be it.

please?

[Zadrian]

Now there's a thinking man right there! I don't fully agree on evolution, but I do agree that anything is possible, whether it fits our personal limits of perception, or not.



Some people choose to be blind, no matter how much evidence there may be.

P.S. If you don't feel like reading through all these spam posts by them trolls, I've included a list of the ones who litter where they're not wanted, feel free to add them to your ignore list in order to only see posts by thinking people, I have!

Current Ignore List (makes for a much easier reading of posts by people with vision!):



I don't think I've said anything trolly towards anybody - but it's nice to know that anyone that doesn't believe him = troll.

Nonsense abound.

[Rhambuk]

I don't think I've said anything trolly towards anybody - but it's nice to know that anyone that doesn't believe him = troll.

Nonsense abound.

lol hilarious, think ill return the favor )

[Ahldagor]

And you had to edit a post in which you only wrote two words. Now THAT'S fucking retarded.

it was about a fifty word post but two words summed up everything that i was going to say. ima let you keep assuming because that's all you can really do. not to mention that your own logic eats itself you retard.

[Scrooge]

Oh, I did want to say thank you for bumping my thread all those times, I guess some trolls can actually come in handy once in a while!

I did give you guys the benefit of the doubt, for quite a long while too. If you wanted to discuss any of this on a semi-serious level, you would have done so from the beginning and I would've been more than satisfied to accept your views and questions, as opposed to AFTER I called you out for trolling.

So let's not pretend like I didn't try to be reasonable for 26 pages, but my patience for trolling has limits too.

Anyways, adios, you won't be missed!

[valarmorghulis]

it was about a fifty word post but two words summed up everything that i was going to say. ima let you keep assuming because that's all you can really do. not to mention that your own logic eats itself you retard.

Ya 50 words that you realized were retarded as fuck. Oh and my logic eats itself but you can't explain how. Rofl. See, when I make a claim, I actually back it up with an actual argument. When you make a claim, that's literally all you fucking do because you know that if you actually tried to explain yourself, your stupidity and lack of an actual logical reason would be exposed.

[Rhambuk]

Nothing can come from nothingness so there must be a creator is what your saying. That is why god has to be real. Welllllll who created god another creator? then that? and so on and so on.....

it doesn't work

[valarmorghulis]

We evolved from reptiles the oldest part of our brain is reptilian. Anything is possible in the world. Just b/c it does not fit in your perception does not mean it can't be

u feels

No sorry I don't feels because what you just said is completely retarded. The only thing a reptile can produce is more reptiles. They can't evolve into another creature. If it's a frog now, it will always be a frog and has always been a frog. Frog's can only produce more frogs and frogs can only come from other frogs. If it's a snake now, it will always be a snake and has always been a snake. Snakes can only produce more snakes and snakes can only come from other snakes.

The same goes for literally every single living thing on this planet. Every living thing can only produce more of what it already is. Birds make more birds, dogs make more dogs, cats make more cats etc. This can be broken down even further. For instance a blue jay can only produce more blue jays and a blue jay can only come from previously existing blue jays. A German shepherd can only produce more German shepherds and can only come from previously existing German shepherds. A tiger can only produce more tigers and tigers can only come from previously existing tigers.

Sorry but no, we did not evolve from reptiles. In fact, reptiles have never evolved into anything other than more reptiles.

[Scrooge]

No sorry I don't feels because what you just said is completely retarded. The only thing a reptile can produce is more reptiles. They can't evolve into another creature. If it's a frog now, it will always be a frog and has always been a frog. Frog's can only produce more frogs and frogs can only come from other frogs. If it's a snake now, it will always be a snake and has always been a snake. Snakes can only produce more snakes and snakes can only come from other snakes.

The same goes for literally every single living thing on this planet. Every living thing can only produce more of what it already is. Birds make more birds, dogs make more dogs, cats make more cats etc. This can be broken down even further. For instance a blue jay can only produce more blue jays and a blue jay can only come from previously existing blue jays. A German shepherd can only produce more German shepherds and can only come from previously existing German shepherds. A tiger can only produce more tigers and tigers can only come from previously existing tigers.

Sorry but no, we did not evolve from reptiles. In fact, reptiles have never evolved into anything other than more reptiles.

We didn't evolve from apes either, like the majority of the population STILL believes, they think just because it's written in a school or University book, then it must be true!

However, for the sake of a discussion, if we DID evolve from apes, why are the apes still around again?? The evolution theory is about survival of the fittest, so if we had evolved from apes, the apes would no longer be around, if we stick within the boundaries of the theory to begin with.

[Rhambuk]

hilarious this guy puts people on ignore that ridicule his beliefs while he turns around and does the same thing...

[valarmorghulis]

Nothing can come from nothingness so there must be a creator is what your saying. That is why god has to be real. Welllllll who created god another creator? then that? and so on and so on.....

it doesn't work

Ya your version doesn't work because your version does not follow logic. If God needed a creator and God's creator needs a creator etc ad infinite as you suggest then nothing could ever exist. The only logical explanation then becomes that God has always existed and therefor does not require a creator. Only that which has a beginning requires a creator. Therefor the first thing to ever exist HAS to be eternal and therefor does not have a beginning and therefor does not require a creator.

It does work.

[Scrooge]

Ya your version doesn't work because your version does not follow logic. If God needed a creator and God's creator needs a creator etc ad infinite as you suggest then nothing could ever exist. The only logical explanation then becomes that God has always existed and therefor does not require a creator. Only that which has a beginning requires a creator. Therefor the first thing to ever exist HAS to be eternal and therefor does not have a beginning and therefor does not require a creator.

It does work.

I'm sure you already know this, but I wanted to let the other posters know as well; that even the ETs believe in the existence of God or "the creator" like some say. Maybe "believe" isn't the right word for this, but acknowledge is!

[Rhambuk]

It does work.

I'm simply going to disagree with that.

afterthought. If god couldn't have been created because he has always been why couldn't the universe have always been, why must it have been created?

[radditsu]

Dude he cited ancient aliens as a source. You guys are posting in a troll thread ya idgits. At least h00ts troll threads have coherence. Stop posting in troll threads. Ya dumb faces.

[Scrooge]

Dude he cited ancient aliens as a source. You guys are posting in a troll thread ya idgits. At least h00ts troll threads have coherence. Stop posting in troll threads. Ya dumb faces.

So because I mentioned the "Ancient Aliens" show to use as an example for a whole other topic, it invalidates the entire thread? Nice logic there.

[valarmorghulis]

I'm simply going to disagree with that.

afterthought. If god couldn't have been created because he has always been why couldn't the universe have always been, why must it have been created?

I'll let Sir Isaac Newton answer this.

“Blind metaphysical necessity, which is certainly the same always and every where, could produce no variety of things. All that diversity of natural things which we find suited to different times and places could arise from nothing but the ideas and will of a Being, necessarily existing.”

In other words, a bunch of inanimate, unintelligent particles floating around in space could never produce the incredible diversity and complexity of natural objects. Like for instance, the Sun is essentially a massive nuclear fusion reactor which can perfectly sustain itself for billions of years. How could such an object be formed without any knowledge of nuclear fusion?

That's more of a philosophical approach to the question but there is a scientific one as well. The 2nd law of thermodynamics which declares that all energy is heading towards maximum entropy and that there is a finite fixed amount of energy that exists within the Universe. Once all of this energy is used up the Universe experiences heat death for the rest of eternity because nothing can turn that energy which has achieved maximum entropy back into useful energy.

This law forces the Universe to have had a beginning because there's only enough energy in existence to sustain the Universe for a finite amount of time before ultimately every star burns out. Sure it may be an extremely long time but it's still a finite amount of time and therefor the Universe has to have a beginning.

[radditsu]

So because I mentioned the "Ancient Aliens" show to use as an example for a whole other topic, it invalidates the entire thread? Nice logic there.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L7fpjxhBtjU/TsVPAl-jW_I/AAAAAAAABwY/DIcPeAIcwO4/s1600/Ancient%2BAliens.jpg



Yes

[Scrooge]

Guess we have us another name to add to the "Troll List of the Ignored"! Thanks for bumping the thread anyway though.

[rgostic]

However, for the sake of a discussion, if we DID evolve from apes, why are the apes still around again?? The evolution theory is about survival of the fittest, so if we had evolved from apes, the apes would no longer be around, if we stick within the boundaries of the theory to begin with.

Ever heard of the term tree of life?

When a tree sprouts a branch, what happens to the trunk?

[Scrooge]

Ever heard of the term tree of life?

When a tree sprouts a branch, what happens to the trunk?

Vegetation and Mammals are two very different things, wouldn't you say?!

[Rellapse40]

No sorry I don't feels because what you just said is completely retarded. The only thing a reptile can produce is more reptiles. They can't evolve into another creature. If it's a frog now, it will always be a frog and has always been a frog. Frog's can only produce more frogs and frogs can only come from other frogs. If it's a snake now, it will always be a snake and has always been a snake. Snakes can only produce more snakes and snakes can only come from other snakes.

The same goes for literally every single living thing on this planet. Every living thing can only produce more of what it already is. Birds make more birds, dogs make more dogs, cats make more cats etc. This can be broken down even further. For instance a blue jay can only produce more blue jays and a blue jay can only come from previously existing blue jays. A German shepherd can only produce more German shepherds and can only come from previously existing German shepherds. A tiger can only produce more tigers and tigers can only come from previously existing tigers.

Sorry but no, we did not evolve from reptiles. In fact, reptiles have never evolved into anything other than more reptiles.

Just b/c your christian beliefs may not support this does not mean we did not evolve from reptiles.

The oldest most primitive part of our brain has reptilian in it's name.

If there were never people thinking outside the box (like you) and believed in just shit they can see. The world would still be flat.

[rgostic]

No sorry I don't feels because what you just said is completely retarded. The only thing a reptile can produce is more reptiles. They can't evolve into another creature. If it's a frog now, it will always be a frog and has always been a frog. Frog's can only produce more frogs and frogs can only come from other frogs. If it's a snake now, it will always be a snake and has always been a snake. Snakes can only produce more snakes and snakes can only come from other snakes.

The same goes for literally every single living thing on this planet. Every living thing can only produce more of what it already is. Birds make more birds, dogs make more dogs, cats make more cats etc. This can be broken down even further. For instance a blue jay can only produce more blue jays and a blue jay can only come from previously existing blue jays. A German shepherd can only produce more German shepherds and can only come from previously existing German shepherds. A tiger can only produce more tigers and tigers can only come from previously existing tigers.

Sorry but no, we did not evolve from reptiles. In fact, reptiles have never evolved into anything other than more reptiles.

You don't understand the implications of sexual reproduction.

Your idea doesn't hold water because only asexual organisms are clones of their parents.

If you cannot grasp how populations can change over time due to variance in the size and shape of an organisms body parts in response to changing environmental conditions you have not been educated sufficiently.

Speciation has been observed and studied in the field.

Read "The Beak of the Finch".

[Ahldagor]

Ya 50 words that you realized were retarded as fuck. Oh and my logic eats itself but you can't explain how. Rofl. See, when I make a claim, I actually back it up with an actual argument. When you make a claim, that's literally all you fucking do because you know that if you actually tried to explain yourself, your stupidity and lack of an actual logical reason would be exposed.

how can god be uncaused in an a priori model. i've backed my claim earlier in the thread which you would have known if you actually read the thread.

[Scrooge]

The world would still be flat.

You know what's interesting about that is, that there is this "Flat Earth" theory going around, where they claim to prove that the Earth isn't actually a ball - but a conclave instead. It's circular, but not an actual "ball" so to speak, or so the theory states.

They actually present some hard to deny evidence of this too, it does sound silly, but wtf do we really know? Only what we've been told all our lives, without any concrete evidence. I don't know if it's bullshit or not, but I think it's interesting enough to research nonetheless, just like the Reptilian Humanoid theory this thread is (or was?) about.

Watch this series of videos (they're short), and let me know what you think! For those who like to dismiss information without first checking it out, these videos involve one of NASA's own, spilling the beans on what we think of as pure conjencture.

"Proof the Earth is Flat, NASA lies!" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUrUrWmmaA
Part 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQowaN6UHQ
Part 4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqj7fNaw8-Y
Part 5 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnfhm4ZZ-4

[radditsu]

You can buy a camera and rocket that flies into the edge of the atmosphere. .... the earth is round. People send weather balloons up into the stratosphere. That crazy virgin atlantic guy is building a rocket for commercial space flight. There are private companies running supplies to space stations. None of these people have any reason to lie.


See? Troll thread.

[Rhambuk]

hes already added you to his ignore rad, he ignores everyone that disagrees.

Now a flat earth theory? This guy is just going to blink out of existence because he reads a theory about how nothing is real.

[Lojik]

I don't know if it's crazier that he believes beings from cabilis are going to take over or that RT is a reliable news source.

[Ahldagor]

I don't know if it's crazier that he believes beings from cabilis are going to take over or that RT is a reliable news source.

not going to but have taken over with their interstellar spacecraft with unlimited fuel

[Azure]

reading whats left of this thread makes me proud of my posts... and secure in my intelligence

and yes. I truly do understand the deep criticism many have had for what I have typed into the intertubes

[Rhambuk]

reading whats left of this thread makes me proud of my posts... and secure in my intelligence


Me too

[valarmorghulis]

Just b/c your christian beliefs may not support this does not mean we did not evolve from reptiles.

The oldest most primitive part of our brain has reptilian in it's name.

If there were never people thinking outside the box (like you) and believed in just shit they can see. The world would still be flat.

Has nothing to do with my beliefs whatsoever. It has everything to do with facts. We did not evolve from reptiles and just because someone decided to say we have a reptilian part of the brain doesn't mean we actually do. All it means is that we have a part of the brain which is responsible for more instinctual actions like a reptiles.

Also ROFL at your last sentence. You do realize that being able to observe something is a fundamental requirement of science right?

Science: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Notice how it says observation AND experiment? It's rather important because if it can't be observed then it isn't science. Show me an experiment of a reptile producing something other than a reptile please? Oh it takes millions of years and therefor isn't observable so you can't actually show anyone that it can actually happen? How convenient. However and unfortunately for you, it's not science by the very definition of the word.

You don't understand the implications of sexual reproduction.

Your idea doesn't hold water because only asexual organisms are clones of their parents.

If you cannot grasp how populations can change over time due to variance in the size and shape of an organisms body parts in response to changing environmental conditions you have not been educated sufficiently.

Speciation has been observed and studied in the field.

Read "The Beak of the Finch".

Sorry but you're wrong. Nobody argues that populations can change over time, that's rather obvious. However, what is argued is the extent to which a population can change. No living thing can change into a different kind of organism than what it is. I've read "The Break of the Finch" but guess what, they are all finches. This is microevolution. Nobody argues that finches can appear differently from one to the next but finches are ALWAYS going to be finches. Much like how no two snow flakes are ever the same, no life form is ever the same. Even "identical" twins are never the same. Show me a finch producing something that isn't a finch or show me something that isn't a finch producing one. That would be the version of evolution you falsely think exists.

[Rellapse40]

Has nothing to do with my beliefs whatsoever. It has everything to do with facts. We did not evolve from reptiles and just because someone decided to say we have a reptilian part of the brain doesn't mean we actually do.

prove it

[rgostic]

Sorry but you're wrong. Nobody argues that populations can change over time, that's rather obvious. However, what is argued is the extent to which a population can change. No living thing can change into a different kind of organism than what it is. I've read "The Break of the Finch" but guess what, they are all finches. This is microevolution. Nobody argues that finches can appear differently from one to the next but finches are ALWAYS going to be finches. Much like how no two snow flakes are ever the same, no life form is ever the same. Even "identical" twins are never the same. Show me a finch producing something that isn't a finch or show me something that isn't a finch producing one. That would be the version of evolution you falsely think exists.

Your brain doesn't comprehend the scale of geologic time.

Whenever a physically distinct portion of a population begins to mate exclusively with itself in order to preserve a morphological advantage, a new species is born.

With enough time and enough change, eventually the classification system which humans created to name and sort the organisms we observe will dictate that a particular population can no longer be called a finch.

Environmental conditions cause patterns to form in the variance of a new generation's physical traits.

You are being fooled by both your inability to think on a time scale which dwarfs your existence and the categorical classification systems our biologists created to make sense of the continuum which describes these natural processes.

Evolution doesn't occur at the snap of a finger.

[radditsu]

Your brain doesn't comprehend the scale of geologic time.

Whenever a physically distinct portion of a population begins to mate exclusively with itself in order to preserve a morphological advantage, a new species is born.

With enough time and enough change, eventually the classification system which humans created to name and sort the organisms we observe will dictate that a particular population can no longer be called a finch.

Environmental conditions cause patterns to form in the variance of a new generation's physical traits.

You are being fooled by both your inability to think on a time scale which dwarfs your existence and the categorical classification systems our biologists created to make sense of the continuum which describes these natural processes.

Evolution doesn't occur at the snap of a finger.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/evolution-in-real-time/

[Azure]

There is also: Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html) for those people who aren't convinced by the geologic record.

Evolution through natural selection has been observed in scientific settings.

[Azure]

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/evolution-in-real-time/

Radditsu's link is much better.

[rgostic]

Radditsu, the article in your link demonstrates an important idea we began to notice a few decades ago.

Marked changes within a population can occur in just a few generations.

The rate at which evolution can occur is tied directly to the length of the organisms reproductive cycle.

This means microevolution is absolutely something an individual can observe within his or her lifetime, especially within bacteria.

Evolution still does not occur at the snap of a finger.

Evolution does occur much faster than classical biologists assumed.

They just thought you couldn't see the steps.

[Glenzig]

From the article Raditsu posted.
"In further testing to determine if the new bacteria were different enough to qualify as a new species, Lenski’s researchers found that beyond changes to the genes responsible for glucose and citrate consumption, other changes had occurred in the organism that had made it less fit to survive in a glucose-only environment,

“We find they are getting less fit in the ancestral niche over time,” Lenski said. “I would argue that citrate users are — or are becoming — a new species.”

So if these bacteria were not moved to a citrate rich environment, wouldn't they just die of in a few more generations?

[myriverse]

Sorry but no, we did not evolve from reptiles. In fact, reptiles have never evolved into anything other than more reptiles.
The jury is no longer out in regards to Evolution. It has been observed. It has been proven.

[Azure]

Another interesting thing about Lenski's study is that the evolutionary path was the same taken over different samples that had no contact. If I remember correctly. Showing - there is a tendency for evolution to follow a specific path given the same environmental variables. It is not really random chance. Initially biologists thought that mutations were completely random. Lenski's experiments did not reinforce this theory.

This further reinforces the theory that if there were two identical earths. Species would all have morphologically similar traits on both earths. At the same rate of evolution. Further reinforcing that if there were other earth like planets. The likely hood of intelligent hominid life that has similar senses and communication methods is increased.

[Scrooge]

Flower of Life - Physical Manifestation of Spirit

"✦ CROP CIRCLES DECODED ✦- Positive Alien Messages, Truth of universe within crop designs" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0k7C8saTOY

[Scrooge]

Radditsu, the article in your link demonstrates an important idea we began to notice a few decades ago.

Marked changes within a population can occur in just a few generations.

The rate at which evolution can occur is tied directly to the length of the organisms reproductive cycle.

This means microevolution is absolutely something an individual can observe within his or her lifetime, especially within bacteria.

Evolution still does not occur at the snap of a finger.

Evolution does occur much faster than classical biologists assumed.

They just thought you couldn't see the steps.

Yea, but is that evolution that occurs in modern times, being assisted by the hand of man? The Lizards which supposedly evolved on this very planet, say that Evolution actually happens over a much longer time than we think. Apparently they evolved from a species of a bipedal dinosaur, combined with the radiation from an ET war that took place above our skies, and that it wasn't any meteor. They also say it took millions of years for them to evolve to their current state.

If you want to explore this matter further, look up the "Lacerta Interview."

[Glenzig]

The jury is no longer out in regards to Evolution. It has been observed. It has been proven.

That gets said a lot when this subject comes up. But its not actually true.

[radditsu]

Yea, but is that evolution that occurs in modern times, being assisted by the hand of man? The Lizards which supposedly evolved on this very planet, say that Evolution actually happens over a much longer time than we think. Apparently they evolved from a species of a bipedal dinosaur, combined with the radiation from an ET war that took place above our skies, and that it wasn't any meteor. They also say it took millions of years for them to evolve to their current state.

If you want to explore this matter further, look up the "Lacerta Interview."



ET war.

[Azure]

That gets said a lot when this subject comes up. But its not actually true.

It's fairly solid theory. Just without directly observed evidence on the macro scale really. There are other factors outside of natural selection though. Many questions to answer still. The exact process hasn't been pinpointed and modeled.

Most people who argue against it. Say there are no links between homosapien and previous primate lines. And argue whether humans come from evolution.

It is still possible to have evolution and also have GMO people or some other underlying creative force drive evolution.

Though I think we can rule out a singular "creator god".

It's also short sited to say that evolution is only natural or that it's not possible evolution of species on the planet couldn't have been influenced by different factors.

Climate change, meteors, radiation, biological pathogens, possible fallen civilization, genetic manipulation etc etc... yet some have a lot more direct evidence, some are completely speculative.

Climate change being a huge motivator and fairly known process so very likely, where as genetic manipulation, highly speculative and only able to be conjectured from studying lots of ancient history and coming to different theories than whats currently accepted as mainstream. Not really provable.

Christian creationism is fairly bullshit though from any scientific standpoint.

[Glenzig]

It's fairly solid theory. Just without directly observed evidence on the macro scale really. There are other factors outside of natural selection though. Many questions to answer still. The exact process hasn't been pinpointed and modeled.

Most people who argue against it. Say there are no links between homosapien and previous primate lines. And argue whether humans come from evolution.

It is still possible to have evolution and also have GMO people or some other underlying creative force drive evolution.

Though I think we can rule out a singular "creator god".

It's also short sited to say that evolution is only natural or that it's not possible evolution of species on the planet couldn't have been influenced by different factors.

Climate change, meteors, radiation, biological pathogens, possible fallen civilization, genetic manipulation etc etc... yet some have a lot more direct evidence, some are completely speculative.

Climate change being a huge motivator and fairly known process so very likely, where as genetic manipulation, highly speculative and only able to be conjectured from studying lots of ancient history and coming to different theories than whats currently accepted as mainstream. Not really provable.

Christian creationism is fairly bullshit though from any scientific standpoint.

So all you actually said was that you don't know what you don't know. But you will believe the theory that speaks to you the most.

[Azure]

So all you actually said was that you don't know what you don't know. But you will believe the theory that speaks to you the most.

Well sort of yes.

I will use the theory that speaks to me the most when in need of pragmatism and keep in mind the other theories. Or continually consider a combination of theoretical ideas. That is forever mutable :)

Oops wrong thread - deleted out of context edits -

[Glenzig]

Well sort of yes.

I will use the theory that speaks to me the most when in need of pragmatism and keep in mind the other theories. Or continually consider a combination of theoretical ideas. That is forever mutable :)

I mean to further your thread of thought in this: To bad the NATIVE peoples aren't legally entitled here.

It looks like this situation is going to boil down to might makes right. Rationality has long been thrown out the window over this and it is more political than logical.

It'll all come out in the wash, as they say.

[Byrjun]

So let's not pretend like I didn't try to be reasonable for 26 pages, but my patience for trolling has limits too.

Anyways, adios, you won't be missed!

Lol I pointed out some simple contradictions that I was looking for your comment on, and your only response was that you were being reasonable by putting me on ignore for "trolling."

You're not looking for discussion, you're looking for a conspiritard circle jerk.

[Scrooge]

Actually, I was looking for intellectual replies, as opposed to the kinds of replies I was getting from your so called "conspiritard circle jerk," and no that was not my only response, just goes to show how you start typing a reply soon as you see a few keywords - without reading the rest.

Every time you make a post, it's pretty obvious you don't bother reading, you're just lazy, or you have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader.

That about sums up my reasons for placing trolls on ignore, take it however you want it.

[valarmorghulis]

The jury is no longer out in regards to Evolution. It has been observed. It has been proven.

Which is why you can only say the words but can't actually show any proof, am I right? Convenient for sure.

[r00t]

macroevolution, which is what we're really talking about when we have an evolution debate, has not been observed (well, maybe I'll give you ligers and such, although you could argue its still a tigris breed). But bacteria turning into more bacteria is not proof of anything, nor is the magnitude of gaps in the fossil record. It's the most speculative field of science outside of genesis and abiogenesis. If you actually do have concrete evidence I'm sure you would win a Nobel prize.

At any rate, the world is run by people who they themselves believe they are reptiles. It doesn't matter if they are or not, because either way is bad news. The hidden cults and secret societies of the elite, if you delve into the subject matter, are fascinating and scary.

[valarmorghulis]

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/evolution-in-real-time/

This article is evidence against evolution. 59,000 generations of E. Coli and guess what, it's still E. Coli.

With enough time and enough change, eventually the classification system which humans created to name and sort the organisms we observe will dictate that a particular population can no longer be called a finch.

Environmental conditions cause patterns to form in the variance of a new generation's physical traits.

You are being fooled by both your inability to think on a time scale which dwarfs your existence and the categorical classification systems our biologists created to make sense of the continuum which describes these natural processes.

Evolution doesn't occur at the snap of a finger.

Not only has nobody ever witnesses a finch becoming something that can no longer be called a finch but literally nobody has ever seen this occur with any living thing on the entire planet Earth. Now let this sink in for you a bit. There are countless millions of different types of organisms and yet not a single one of them has demonstrated the ability to change so much to the point where it can no longer be classified as that type of organism any longer.

Sorry but every single time two dogs mate they produce puppies which become more dogs. Every time two cats mate they produce kittens which become more cats which produce more kittens which become more cats, etc for infinite. You can repeat this concept for literally any living thing you can think of. Bee's? They produce more bee's and bee's can only ever come from other bee's. Even more specifically, bumble bee's only come from bumble bee's. There is no other type of bee that can produce a bumble bee. Just like a bumble bee can't produce a honey bee etc.

Just like the experiment with E. Coli. Even after 59,000 generations, still E. Coli. Guess what? It is ALWAYS going to be E. Coli. If what you say is true then eventually E. Coli will change so drastically that it can no longer be classified as E. Coli. How many generations do you expect this will take since apparently 59,000 wasn't enough.

This is why living things go extinct. Take a dodo bird for instance. Why did they go extinct? Well every dodo bird died and guess what, the only thing that can produce a dodo bird is another male and female dodo bird. There is nothing that's in the process of evolving into a dodo bird. They have all died and there will never be another dodo bird alive again because the only thing that can make one, is one.

[Ahldagor]

Actually, I was looking for intellectual replies, as opposed to the kinds of replies I was getting from your so called "conspiritard circle jerk," and no that was not my only response, just goes to show how you start typing a reply soon as you see a few keywords - without reading the rest.

Every time you make a post, it's pretty obvious you don't bother reading, you're just lazy, or you have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader.

That about sums up my reasons for placing trolls on ignore, take it however you want it.

or they did read and weren't convinced and offered counter evidence that generated a more solid argument for their point.

not to mention these controlling reptiles have gone from coming from the orion system to evolving on planet earth. your troll is tired.

[Ahldagor]

This article is evidence against evolution. 59,000 generations of E. Coli and guess what, it's still E. Coli.



Not only has nobody ever witnesses a finch becoming something that can no longer be called a finch but literally nobody has ever seen this occur with any living thing on the entire planet Earth. Now let this sink in for you a bit. There are countless millions of different types of organisms and yet not a single one of them has demonstrated the ability to change so much to the point where it can no longer be classified as that type of organism any longer.

Sorry but every single time two dogs mate they produce puppies which become more dogs. Every time two cats mate they produce kittens which become more cats which produce more kittens which become more cats, etc for infinite. You can repeat this concept for literally any living thing you can think of. Bee's? They produce more bee's and bee's can only ever come from other bee's. Even more specifically, bumble bee's only come from bumble bee's. There is no other type of bee that can produce a bumble bee. Just like a bumble bee can't produce a honey bee etc.

Just like the experiment with E. Coli. Even after 59,000 generations, still E. Coli. Guess what? It is ALWAYS going to be E. Coli. If what you say is true then eventually E. Coli will change so drastically that it can no longer be classified as E. Coli. How many generations do you expect this will take since apparently 59,000 wasn't enough.

This is why living things go extinct. Take a dodo bird for instance. Why did they go extinct? Well every dodo bird died and guess what, the only thing that can produce a dodo bird is another male and female dodo bird. There is nothing that's in the process of evolving into a dodo bird. They have all died and there will never be another dodo bird alive again because the only thing that can make one, is one.

i've never seen god or seen a measurement of god so god can't exist.

[Scrooge]

macroevolution, which is what we're really talking about when we have an evolution debate, has not been observed (well, maybe I'll give you ligers and such, although you could argue its still a tigris breed). But bacteria turning into more bacteria is not proof of anything, nor is the magnitude of gaps in the fossil record. It's the most speculative field of science outside of genesis and abiogenesis. If you actually do have concrete evidence I'm sure you would win a Nobel prize.

At any rate, the world is run by people who they themselves believe they are reptiles. It doesn't matter if they are or not, because either way is bad news. The hidden cults and secret societies of the elite, if you delve into the subject matter, are fascinating and scary.

See, now that's more like it! These are the kind of posts I want to see in this thread!

[valarmorghulis]

i've never seen god or seen a measurement of god so god can't exist.

DNA is undeniable evidence of God actually. It contains a language which conveys an ultra complex code that contains the blueprints and instructions for how to formulate and build every single living organism that exists. Since a language and information can only arise from an intelligent source, the creator of DNA is the creator of life and is therefor God.

[Scrooge]

DNA is undeniable evidence of God actually. It contains a language which conveys an ultra complex code that contains the blueprints and instructions for how to formulate and build every single living organism that exists. Since a language and information can only arise from an intelligent source, the creator of DNA is the creator of life and is therefor God.

I agree completely, anyone who thinks life started by accident out of nothing, I've got a bridge to sell you!

[Rhambuk]

should not have made a post here if you wanted to only talk to other people that believe.

You need to stick your ET Reptile forums if you only want to talk with people that agree with your theory...

[Glenzig]

i've never seen god or seen a measurement of god so god can't exist.

I have never seen wind. Therefore wind does not exist.

[Glenzig]

macroevolution, which is what we're really talking about when we have an evolution debate, has not been observed (well, maybe I'll give you ligers and such, although you could argue its still a tigris breed). But bacteria turning into more bacteria is not proof of anything, nor is the magnitude of gaps in the fossil record. It's the most speculative field of science outside of genesis and abiogenesis. If you actually do have concrete evidence I'm sure you would win a Nobel prize.

At any rate, the world is run by people who they themselves believe they are reptiles. It doesn't matter if they are or not, because either way is bad news. The hidden cults and secret societies of the elite, if you delve into the subject matter, are fascinating and scary.

Very well said my friend. Very well said.

[Azure]

Yet - I would like to bring up again. The interesting part of the bacterial experiments were that the changes were not random. This has huge implications.

One would expect the bacteria to fairly randomly mutate into failed strains or successful strains or strains that did something entirely else.

This didn't happen. It's like in most cases (I think it was far over 70% of the time) the bacteria changed to adapt vs die. This was more than simple natural selection taking place as well as described by the article.

[Glenzig]

Yet - I would like to bring up again. The interesting part of the bacterial experiments were that the changes were not random. This has huge implications.

One would expect the bacteria to fairly randomly mutate into failed strains or successful strains or strains that did something entirely else.

This didn't happen. It's like in most cases (I think it was far over 70% of the time) the bacteria changed to adapt vs die. This was more than simple natural selection taking place as well as described by the article.

So all the bacteria reacted the same way? Almost like that's the way they were designed to react?

[Ahldagor]

DNA is undeniable evidence of God actually. It contains a language which conveys an ultra complex code that contains the blueprints and instructions for how to formulate and build every single living organism that exists. Since a language and information can only arise from an intelligent source, the creator of DNA is the creator of life and is therefor God.

deoxyribose nucleic acid can come about because of chemical reactions, and over a good bit of time (proly much greater than our perceptions) have the components that are dna arranged to react in such a way that chemistry can explain. there is not one bit of evidence that dictates that a complex strand of chemicals had to be designed and implemented into what we call life. your logic is, essentially, dna is complex, complex things can't come about without being designed by an intelligent source, therefore god exists because dna is complex. that's a poor syllogism.

[Ahldagor]

I have never seen wind. Therefore wind does not exist.

you've observed the effects of the wind which can be directly tied to air currents generating from cold and warm air masses which can be observed and measured. you also missed the "b" part of your syllogism

[Glenzig]

deoxyribose nucleic acid can come about because of chemical reactions, and over a good bit of time (proly much greater than our perceptions) have the components that are dna arranged to react in such a way that chemistry can explain. there is not one bit of evidence that dictates that a complex strand of chemicals had to be designed and implemented into what we call life. your logic is, essentially, dna is complex, complex things can't come about without being designed by an intelligent source, therefore god exists because dna is complex. that's a poor syllogism.

So what you're saying is that its fairly simple for DNA to spontaneously form?

[Azure]

So all the bacteria reacted the same way? Almost like that's the way they were designed to react?

Or programmed. But there are self programming systems am I right? No creator necessary. Bacteria may be more advanced than we think in that their capable of storing some kind of information and passing it a long. Or it could be something else entirely.

It's just cool a fuck and people like to blame a god way to much.

What if most life is like this and couple that with panspermia - you have quick evolution to fill many niches if a bit of bacteria from somewhere else travels the vast distance across space to land on a dead but livable planet?

[Glenzig]

you've observed the effects of the wind which can be directly tied to air currents generating from cold and warm air masses which can be observed and measured. you also missed the "b" part of your syllogism

Or you could deny that wind exists because you can't see wind. Just sayin.

[Ahldagor]

So what you're saying is that its fairly simple for DNA to spontaneously form?

yes via a natural process. a peptide that began to self-replicate and eventually mutated on its own. much like how rna messing up dna replication by not perfectly copying the dna strand and passing on the "error" copy that becomes the new cell is a huge driving factor in evolution.

randomness is fun to some, but no to some too

[Glenzig]

yes via a natural process. a peptide that began to self-replicate and eventually mutated on its own. much like how rna messing up dna replication by not perfectly copying the dna strand and passing on the "error" copy that becomes the new cell is a huge driving factor in evolution.

randomness is fun to some, but no to some too

So would this happen in like a body of water, or what would be the best breeding ground?

[Ahldagor]

Or you could deny that wind exists because you can't see wind. Just sayin.

you can, but i'm trying to get these folks to make better arguments and to explore the notions they believe. it's all nothing anyway, but can still be engaged.

[Ahldagor]

So would this happen in like a body of water, or what would be the best breeding ground?

not an expert, so no certainty in any claim of environment in which dna developed.

[valarmorghulis]

deoxyribose nucleic acid can come about because of chemical reactions

Actually no it cannot. It's actually a scientific fact that it cannot. See law of biogenesis and cell theory. All cells must come from previously existing cells and all cells are the base unit of structure of ALL living things. Since cells did not always exist and all cells must come from previously existing cells, it's a literal impossibility that the first cell was created through random chemical reactions. Science and an unlimited amount of evidence is on my side, not yours. Show me evidence to the contrary please? Show me random chemical reactions producing DNA? Oh right, you can't. Not looking to good for you bro...


there is not one bit of evidence that dictates that a complex strand of chemicals had to be designed and implemented into what we call life. your logic is, essentially, dna is complex, complex things can't come about without being designed by an intelligent source, therefore god exists because dna is complex. that's a poor syllogism.

No that's not my logic entirely. However the unimaginable complexity of DNA does suggest it was intelligently devised. What really puts the final nail in the coffin is the fact that DNA contains a language written with a 4 letter alphabet that utilizes chemicals arranged in extremely specific orders that provide the instructions and blue prints on how to build a living organism. A language can only be the product of an intelligent being.

“DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”


― Bill Gates, The Road Ahead

Saying that DNA formed on it's own from random chemical reactions is like saying that the code used to create EQ formed randomly on it's own. In other words, it's about as retarded as you can possibly get.

[Scrooge]

So it's ok to discuss a theory that maybe could be, based on your personal perception of reality, but it's not ok to discuss one (existence of Reptilian Humanoids for instance) you cannot accept no matter what? Is that what this is about?

I don't think I said anywhere in this thread, that I believe in Reptilian Humanoid existence 110%, and expect everyone else to also. I merely presented existing data, in order to discuss it with others. It has nothing to do with seeing only positive reactions, that's something you decided on your own.

or they did read and weren't convinced and offered counter evidence that generated a more solid argument for their point.

not to mention these controlling reptiles have gone from coming from the orion system to evolving on planet earth. your troll is tired.

I'll repeat what I've already mentioned, maybe you missed it, I did explain that there were various factions of Reptoids; to break it down for you, it means they have different origins. Just like not all people living today, are from one country. Any more troll statements?

Saying that DNA formed on it's own from random chemical reactions is like saying that the code used to create EQ formed randomly on it's own. In other words, it's about as retarded as you can possibly get.

Bravo, I couldn't have said it better myself!

[valarmorghulis]

Or programmed. But there are self programming systems am I right?

Wrong, there is no such thing as a self programming system lol. The fuck are you smoking dude? Because whatever it is, it's obviously destroying your brain cells.


What if most life is like this and couple that with panspermia - you have quick evolution to fill many niches if a bit of bacteria from somewhere else travels the vast distance across space to land on a dead but livable planet?

Um panspermia does nothing except move the goal post of the same exact question that needs to be answered.

[Ahldagor]

Actually no it cannot. It's actually a scientific fact that it cannot. See law of biogenesis and cell theory. All cells must come from previously existing cells and all cells are the base unit of structure of ALL living things. Since cells did not always exist and all cells must come from previously existing cells, it's a literal impossibility that the first cell was created through random chemical reactions. Science and an unlimited amount of evidence is on my side, not yours. Show me evidence to the contrary please? Show me random chemical reactions producing DNA? Oh right, you can't. Not looking to good for you bro...




No that's not my logic entirely. However the unimaginable complexity of DNA does suggest it was intelligently devised. What really puts the final nail in the coffin is the fact that DNA contains a language written with a 4 letter alphabet that utilizes chemicals arranged in extremely specific orders that provide the instructions and blue prints on how to build a living organism. A language can only be the product of an intelligent being.



Saying that DNA formed on it's own from random chemical reactions is like saying that the code used to create EQ formed randomly on it's own. In other words, it's about as retarded as you can possibly get.

here, read:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/

also, your attribution of dna being a language is merely a valuated metaphor used in order to help describe how dna works in layman's terms. the language used when talking about dna doesn't prove that it was created. the chemicals were labeled by humans in human made laboratories. they didn't look at it and it was all nicely labeled for them in whichever language they spoke. and why haven't you tried to counter my claim of the a priori model not allowing for the existence of god?

computer code isn't comparable to organic chemistry. cogito ergo sum failed you hard. it's okay though. your troll is tired too.

[Glenzig]

here, read:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/

also, your attribution of dna being a language is merely a valuated metaphor used in order to help describe how dna works in layman's terms. the language used when talking about dna doesn't prove that it was created. the chemicals were labeled by humans in human made laboratories. they didn't look at it and it was all nicely labeled for them in whichever language they spoke. and why haven't you tried to counter my claim of the a priori model not allowing for the existence of god?

computer code isn't comparable to organic chemistry. cogito ergo sum failed you hard. it's okay though. your troll is tired too.

Actually its close enough that scientists have devised a way to store computer information on blank DNA. Look it up. Its very interesting. And not a metaphor.

[Scrooge]

Actually its close enough that scientists have devised a way to store computer information on blank DNA. Look it up. Its very interesting. And not a metaphor.

The RFID chip implants they intend on injecting into everyone over the next year or so, are said to carry not simply electronic data, but DNA data in them!

So maybe that plan revealed in Susan Reed's book, isn't as simple as it was in written form, but it's definitely being carried out. There's no way to know, unless you're on the inside of the agenda yourself.

[Ahldagor]

Actually its close enough that scientists have devised a way to store computer information on blank DNA. Look it up. Its very interesting. And not a metaphor.

yea, binary logical system says you can do that. not denying that it can be manipulated. denying that it was created by a supranatural being.

[Glenzig]

yea, binary logical system says you can do that. not denying that it can be manipulated. denying that it was created by a supranatural being.

Actually what you said was that computer code is not comparable to organic chemistry. Well there must be much more of a connection than you assume if computer code of.any kind can be stored in organic material. And if said code, even if it is now viewed as 'simplistic' can be coded into DNA by highly skilled scientists, then how did the much more complex information code that is DNA come to be?

[valarmorghulis]

also, your attribution of dna being a language is merely a valuated metaphor used in order to help describe how dna works in layman's terms. the language used when talking about dna doesn't prove that it was created. the chemicals were labeled by humans in human made laboratories. they didn't look at it and it was all nicely labeled for them in whichever language they spoke. and why haven't you tried to counter my claim of the a priori model not allowing for the existence of god?

You're an idiot. That's like saying hieroglyphs aren't a language because it wasn't all nicely labeled for the people who discovered it in the language that they spoke. No shit it isn't labeled you complete retard. It first has to be deciphered and then translated.

As for countering your claim of the a priori model not allowing for the existence of God, there's really no need to. If the model doesn't allow for God then the model is simply incorrect. Some arbitrary man made model has no relevance or bearing on reality.

Also LOL at that retarded article you linked that destroyed it's own argument and provides evidence for the existence of God in the very 2nd sentence.

The invention of DNA

It claims DNA was invented. Therefor it requires an inventor. Game. Set. Match. Thanks for playing.

[r00t]

If we apply concepts from physics (laws) to biology (theories), DNA creating itself is a violation of systems going to maximum entropy.

I'm on the same page as Bill Gates, the concept of DNA and my background in programming led me to believe there was a creator. DNA is a 2-bit represented binary system, it is literally the same thing as compiled computer code with opcodes (primers) and modules (chromosomes). I've actually written software to deal with DNA in that sense (https://code.google.com/p/dnaprimers/). Structured, ordered information does not spontaneously generate itself, going back to philosophy and the monkey typewriter thing.

Existence existing is proof enough of a supernatural architect.

[Glenzig]

If we apply concepts from physics (laws) to biology (theories), DNA creating itself is a violation of systems going to maximum entropy. I'm on the same page as Bill Gates, the concept of DNA and my background in programming led me to believe there was a creator.

Nah. Only dumb people believe in creation. Or so I have been repeatedly told.

[Ahldagor]

You're an idiot. That's like saying hieroglyphs aren't a language because it wasn't all nicely labeled for the people who discovered it in the language that they spoke. No shit it isn't labeled you complete retard. It first has to be deciphered and then translated.

thank you for proving my point. dna had to be labelled and deciphered by humans with a human system.

As for countering your claim of the a priori model not allowing for the existence of God, there's really no need to. If the model doesn't allow for God then the model is simply incorrect. Some arbitrary man made model has no relevance or bearing on reality.

everything you're using is man made so why are you using it? you've factored out the possibility that god can't exist or has not ever existed (cogito ergo sum on your end so read up some heidegger) and when that possibility is put on the table you've ignored it. you're using logical systems that don't support your own claims or beliefs.

Also LOL at that retarded article you linked that destroyed it's own argument and provides evidence for the existence of God in the very 2nd sentence.

It claims DNA was invented. Therefor it requires an inventor. Game. Set. Match. Thanks for playing.

so you pick out the one thing in the summary of the study (the inroduction) that seems to agree with your weltanschauung while ignoring the following sentences thus taking it out of context. your troll is tired, let it sleep.



Actually what you said was that computer code is not comparable to organic chemistry. Well there must be much more of a connection than you assume if computer code of.any kind can be stored in organic material. And if said code, even if it is now viewed as 'simplistic' can be coded into DNA by highly skilled scientists, then how did the much more complex information code that is DNA come to be?

computer code is computer code. if your encoding information on dna then you're using organic methods and not strictly computer code. comparing coding eq to the creation of dna is absurd.

[Scrooge]

What's absurd is how you keep going back and forth between your own limitations of understanding of varying perceptions. Let it be!

[Ahldagor]

What's absurd is how you keep going back and forth between your own limitations of understanding of varying perceptions. Let it be!

says the guy who wants an echo chamber of communication.

[Rhambuk]

IIT:

Men evolved form apes VS Men evolved from reptiles

Place you're bets!

[Glenzig]

Here is a link to a report on how they are able to use DNA as a storage device and code it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/23/dna-information-storage/1858801/

[r00t]

coding EQ is actually less complicated than DNA. 6,000,000,000 'rungs' of DNA for a human is roughly 750,000,000 lines of assembly code by my math and science

6bill * 2 (rung = 2) / 16 (AGTC is 2-bit binary system, comparing to 32 bit instruction set)

[Orruar]

If we apply concepts from physics (laws) to biology (theories), DNA creating itself is a violation of systems going to maximum entropy.

I'm on the same page as Bill Gates, the concept of DNA and my background in programming led me to believe there was a creator. DNA is a 2-bit represented binary system, it is literally the same thing as compiled computer code with opcodes (primers) and modules (chromosomes). I've actually written software to deal with DNA in that sense (https://code.google.com/p/dnaprimers/). Structured, ordered information does not spontaneously generate itself, going back to philosophy and the monkey typewriter thing.

Existence existing is proof enough of a supernatural architect.

I think we already laughed enough at people trying to apply the second law of thermodynamics when they actually have no idea what it means. But please keep bringing that up. It's good to get as many of you people out in the open as possible.

Also, if DNA is so well designed, why is it that we need 6 bits (3 base pairs) to encode 20 amino acids? Even with the necessary start and stop codons, you only need 22 of the possible 64 combinations to actually create genes. That's 42 duplicate slots. It would have been far more efficient to use a 3 letter alphabet or a 5 letter alphabet. But I guess God wasn't too good at remedial math.

[r00t]

Actually the 2nd law of thermodynamics could apply quite readily here because this is a system going to cosmos instead of chaos. It was a simple comparison and a thought experiment.

To explain your second part, you have to rememeber they come in pairs for replication purposes. 3 and 5 alphabet would not pair. Furthermore, 4^2 is only 16 amino acids, so it had to be 4^3. A base-6 system would also have duplicates.

[Scrooge]

says the guy who wants an echo chamber of communication.

Actually, I was looking for intellectual replies, as opposed to the kinds of replies I was getting from your so called "conspiritard circle jerk," and no that was not my only response, just goes to show how you start typing a reply soon as you see a few keywords - without reading the rest.

Every time you make a post, it's pretty obvious you don't bother reading, you're just lazy, or you have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader.

That about sums up my reasons for placing trolls on ignore, take it however you want it.

[r00t]

We are real intelligence, a lot harder to program than AI. We have checksums inside of our DNA. Jean-Claude Perez discovered an evolutionary mathematical matrix in DNA.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/em4f9229ac.png

Perez discovered that the ratio of white letters to black letters is exactly 0.690983, which is (3-Phi)/2. Phi is the number 1.618, the Golden Ratio. When you overlay these 6 symmetries on top of each other, you get a set of mathematical stairs with 32 golden steps. Then an absolutely fascinating geometrical pattern emerges: The Dragon Curve which is well known in fractal geometry.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/dx4f922bb7.gif

There is also evidence of checksums being used in string theory.. In fact one of the algorithms is identical to CRC16 code that a programmer wrote in the 1960's. It is the same checksum used in the TCP internet protocol. http://voices.yahoo.com/computer-code-found-string-theory-equations-11205550.html?cat=34

"Code that auto corrects itself just blows my mind". You can't tell me that shit just pooped itself out.

[Glenzig]

We are real intelligence, a lot harder to program than AI. We have checksums inside of our DNA. Jean-Claude Perez discovered an evolutionary mathematical matrix in DNA.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/em4f9229ac.png

Perez discovered that the ratio of white letters to black letters is exactly 0.690983, which is (3-Phi)/2. Phi is the number 1.618, the Golden Ratio. When you overlay these 6 symmetries on top of each other, you get a set of mathematical stairs with 32 golden steps. Then an absolutely fascinating geometrical pattern emerges: The Dragon Curve which is well known in fractal geometry.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/dx4f922bb7.gif

There is also evidence of checksums being used in string theory.. In fact one of the algorithms is identical to CRC16 code that a programmer wrote in the 1960's. http://voices.yahoo.com/computer-code-found-string-theory-equations-11205550.html?cat=34

"Code that auto corrects itself just blows my mind". You can't tell me that shit just pooped itself out.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this is the reason we see complex spiral growth pattern correct?

[Rhambuk]

When i first heard about phi some friends told me about it and talked it up to some miracle discovery, once i looked it up i lost all interest and it seemed simple and plain.

[r00t]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this is the reason we see complex spiral growth pattern correct?

correct

[Azure]

Wrong, there is no such thing as a self programming system lol. The fuck are you smoking dude? Because whatever it is, it's obviously destroying your brain cells.




Um panspermia does nothing except move the goal post of the same exact question that needs to be answered.

You've obviously never met skynet.

Actually IMO... homeostasis, GIA, the human brain, monkly meditation, etc... all proof of self programming.

The universe is self ordering it orders itself on a galactic and universal level and a micro level. Everywhere we look we see order. Chaos would be complete fuzzy nothingness. There really is little focus point for white noise in the universe.

Even chaotic and gaseous nebulae have clear order and boundaries.

[Glenzig]

When i first heard about phi some friends told me about it and talked it up to some miracle discovery, once i looked it up i lost all interest and it seemed simple and plain.

But that's just because you're so awesomely smart.

[Rhambuk]

godlike, ascended beyond all you reptiles

[Glenzig]

You've obviously never met skynet.

Actually IMO... homeostasis, GIA, the human brain, monkly meditation, etc... all proof of self programming.

The universe is self ordering it orders itself on a galactic and universal level and a micro level. Everywhere we look we see order. Chaos would be complete fuzzy nothingness. There really is little focus point for white noise in the universe.

Even chaotic and gaseous nebulae have clear order and boundaries.

The universe is that extremely orderly because it ordered itself? Not possible.

[Scrooge]

The universe is that extremely orderly because it ordered itself? Not possible.

That's what they teach in schools and universities; assumptions are presented as facts, and facts are presented as assumptions.

[Azure]

This is a fun problem. Simulations can be programmed that fulfill the rules of the universe. But those are extremely abstract.

There is no current set of known concrete practical rules that end up in a simulation that is accurate to my knowledge.

I think we do have a fairly good grasp on how a lot things are ordered. I.e. gravitation. Magnetism. Etc...

Honestly this may be a really dumb question. But what creates the charges that create magnetism? Some things are just out of bounds. It's silly to assume that because something is out of bounds it's "god".

That is also an assumption.

[r00t]

There are theories that we do live in a computer simulation (e.g. speed of light is the max CPU clock speed)

[Glenzig]

This is a fun problem. Simulations can be programmed that fulfill the rules of the universe. But those are extremely abstract.

There is no current set of known concrete practical rules that end up in a simulation that is accurate to my knowledge.

I think we do have a fairly good grasp on how a lot things are ordered. I.e. gravitation. Magnetism. Etc...

Honestly this may be a really dumb question. But what creates the charges that create magnetism? Some things are just out of bounds. It's silly to assume that because something is out of bounds it's "god".

That is also an assumption.

To make the clam that there is no god is essentially a claim to god ship. One would have to have intimate knowledge of the entirety of the universe in order to back up such a claim. If you had that level of knowledge, you would be god.

[Scrooge]

From what I've read from various sources, while researching ETs, UFOs, and their origins, there is alot of concealed knowledge we're not privy to. Have you ever heard the term, "Forbidden Archaelogy?"

It's not limited to just that, there are many technologies in this world today, that we wouldn't have, if it wasn't for that fateful treaty between the US Govt & the malevolent ETs in 1954. The treaty involved trading ET technology for the permission to abduct people, as long as the ETs would keep the US Govt in the loop.

[radditsu]

Oh r00t found this thread. I expect great things. Meaning more worthless bullshit spit out. I for one cant wait.

[r00t]

Im on the first page bro
its been proven for almost 2 decades Idk what the controversy is

[Azure]

To make the clam that there is no god is essentially a claim to god ship. One would have to have intimate knowledge of the entirety of the universe in order to back up such a claim. If you had that level of knowledge, you would be god.

Good point. I'm only claiming probabilities not absolutes.

BAZINGA!

XD ;)

[Ahldagor]

To make the clam that there is no god is essentially a claim to god ship. One would have to have intimate knowledge of the entirety of the universe in order to back up such a claim. If you had that level of knowledge, you would be god.

there's also the problem of evil if someone is referring to the christian/abrahamic god.

[Glenzig]

there's also the problem of evil if someone is referring to the christian/abrahamic god.

Why would that be a problem?

[Scrooge]

Im on the first page bro

That you are!

Since some of my posts get lost in the troll swarm this thread has been undergoing the past several days, I end up having to quote myself every now and then.

So, let me know what you (and the rest of the thinking people around here) think about this theory here:

You know what's interesting about that is, that there is this "Flat Earth" theory going around, where they claim to prove that the Earth isn't actually a ball - but a conclave instead. It's circular, but not an actual "ball" so to speak, or so the theory states.

They actually present some hard to deny evidence of this too, it does sound silly, but wtf do we really know? Only what we've been told all our lives, without any concrete evidence. I don't know if it's bullshit or not, but I think it's interesting enough to research nonetheless, just like the Reptilian Humanoid theory this thread is (or was?) about.

Watch this series of videos (they're short), and let me know what you think! For those who like to dismiss information without first checking it out, these videos involve one of NASA's own, spilling the beans on what we think of as pure conjencture.

"Proof the Earth is Flat, NASA lies!" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUrUrWmmaA
Part 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQowaN6UHQ
Part 4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqj7fNaw8-Y
Part 5 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnfhm4ZZ-4

[valarmorghulis]

I think we already laughed enough at people trying to apply the second law of thermodynamics when they actually have no idea what it means. But please keep bringing that up. It's good to get as many of you people out in the open as possible.

Also, if DNA is so well designed, why is it that we need 6 bits (3 base pairs) to encode 20 amino acids? Even with the necessary start and stop codons, you only need 22 of the possible 64 combinations to actually create genes. That's 42 duplicate slots. It would have been far more efficient to use a 3 letter alphabet or a 5 letter alphabet. But I guess God wasn't too good at remedial math.

If DNA isn't so well designed, why can't anybody make a better version of it? In fact, why can't anyone make any version of it at all, whatsoever? How dumb can you possibly be to make a statement this idiotic? It takes a special kind of stupid to make a statement that dumb. You would think that with the ability to design and create ultra complex things like satellites and airplanes and massive skyscrapers, that we'd be able to at the very least duplicate what DNA can do but sadly, nope. Scientists can't even so much as reproduce a single simple blade of grass.

[Ahldagor]

i am more intelligent than all of you because i have not adhered to the prescribed reptilian education that many of you have fallen into the trap of. if you contradict me with skeptical based analyses then you're just a troll for not agreeing with me because i'm trying to enlighten all of you who do not know the truth, the light and the way. i will ignore you if you troll me. i will know the truth because i thought it.

anyone else see some hbb parallels here?

[Ahldagor]

If DNA isn't so well designed, why can't anybody make a better version of it? In fact, why can't anyone make any version of it at all, whatsoever? How dumb can you possibly be to make a statement this idiotic? It takes a special kind of stupid to make a statement that dumb. You would think that with the ability to design and create ultra complex things like satellites and airplanes and massive skyscrapers, that we'd be able to at the very least duplicate what DNA can do but sadly, nope. Scientists can't even so much as reproduce a single simple blade of grass.

your troll is tired, let it sleep.

[Zadrian]

anyone else see some hbb parallels here?

At least HBB would watch your back in Rust *shrug*

[Ahldagor]

At least HBB would watch your back in Rust *shrug*

proly not mine. we had our runs. good ones too in RnF where this thread really belongs

[Grimfan]

That you are!

Since some of my posts get lost in the troll swarm this thread has been undergoing the past several days, I end up having to quote myself every now and then.

So, let me know what you (and the rest of the thinking people around here) think about this theory here:

Skepticism is not the same as trolling. You need to understand that the views you have about the world are not common, and they could very well be incorrect. But because you're fascinated with conspiracy theories you're blinding yourself to the fact that you could be wrong, and just labeling people trolls.

[Ahldagor]

Why would that be a problem?

1 God exists.

2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

[Ahldagor]

Skepticism is not the same as trolling. You need to understand that the views you have about the world are not common, and they could very well be incorrect. But because you're fascinated with conspiracy theories you're blinding yourself to the fact that you could be wrong, and just labeling people trolls.

you're now a troll to them. they want an echo chamber not an open discourse.

[Rhambuk]

o, let me know what you (and the rest of the gullible people that agree with me) think about this theory here:

ftfy

[Rhambuk]

you're now a troll to them. they want an echo chamber not an open discourse.

the instant you disagree you're on his ignore.

some open minded discussion goin on round here

[r00t]

1 God exists.

2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

Premise fails as god isnt omnibenevolent only jesus is

source: old testament

[Ahldagor]

Premise fails as god isnt omnibenevolent only jesus is

source: old testament

book of daniel?

(edit additions):

hebrew bible is the basis for the christian testaments

[Scrooge]

Skepticism is not the same as trolling. You need to understand that the views you have about the world are not common, and they could very well be incorrect. But because you're fascinated with conspiracy theories you're blinding yourself to the fact that you could be wrong, and just labeling people trolls.

Have you actually gone through their posts, or did you just jump to this conclusion like they all do?

[Ahldagor]

i didn't read what they posted because i am better than their reptilian education could ever hope to be because i am more intelligent. they don't read my posts even though the actively engage the points and provide more evidence to support their points than i do mine other than some shotty camera footage that provides enough semblance of what i know to be truth to support my claims because i know the evidence true because i know the truth.

[Glenzig]

1 God exists.

2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

Not at all. Its only a logical failure when approached from such a rigid and illogical angle. All creatures are given free will. Evil exists because of consequence of choice.

[Scrooge]

Ahldagor, spoken like a true moron who can't accept himself for who he really is, a common troll.

[Ahldagor]

Not at all. Its only a logical failure when approached from such a rigid and illogical angle. All creatures are given free will. Evil exists because of consequence of choice.

then god would not be all powerful. the rigidity is there because this is rhetorical discourse which is dictated by logic, the law of non-contradiction. there is no free will in the abrahamic model due to the events having only come into possibility via god's will. so that 3 year old with leukemia that will die from it any day now is god's will.

[Ahldagor]

even though i keep talking, all of my quotes and claims can only be attributed to other people that are common trolls because they provided better arguments (in their reptilian educated minds that can't be trusted) than i did. if they would just see by opening their eyes at my evidence then they would all know that i am right because i know i am right.

[Scrooge]

It's ok, you're a better troll than I could ever hope to be, you can relax now, I've admitted the truth!

But keep bumping my thread for all to see, even the most common troll can be useful - if properly motivated.

[Grimfan]

then god would not be all powerful. the rigidity is there because this is rhetorical discourse which is dictated by logic, the law of non-contradiction. there is no free will in the abrahamic model due to the events having only come into possibility via god's will. so that 3 year old with leukemia that will die from it any day now is god's will.

Honestly the god you're talking about isn't the god that Christians believe in, although what you described is correct, you cannot have a god with all three o's.

[r00t]

good and evil are subjective

I can say driving my car is good cuz I can do more shit and you can say its evil cuz I am contributing to (fake) global warming

[Ahldagor]

Honestly the god you're talking about isn't the god that Christians believe in, although what you described is correct, you cannot have a god with all three o's.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/10-awesome-attributes-of-god/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attributes_of_God_in_Christianity

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-attributes-of-god-what-are-the-attributes-of-god/

http://www.theopedia.com/List_of_God's_known_attributes

it's what they believe in, but the early church fucked up by platonizing the religion. then again if they didn't there probably would be no church to refer to as the early church

[Ahldagor]

good and evil are subjective

I can say driving my car is good cuz I can do more shit and you can say its evil cuz I am contributing to (fake) global warming

it's not a question of valuation

[Ahldagor]

It's ok, you're a better troll than I could ever hope to be, you can relax now, I've admitted the truth!

But keep bumping my thread for all to see, even the most common troll can be useful - if properly motivated.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37303981.jpg

[valarmorghulis]

thank you for proving my point. dna had to be labelled and deciphered by humans with a human system.

How does that prove your point? Hieroglyph's had to be labeled and decipher by humans with a human system as well. DNA is the same exact thing as hieroglyph's only they are much smaller and can't be seen with the naked eye. So wtf are you talking about dude?



everything you're using is man made so why are you using it? you've factored out the possibility that god can't exist or has not ever existed (cogito ergo sum on your end so read up some heidegger) and when that possibility is put on the table you've ignored it. you're using logical systems that don't support your own claims or beliefs.

You obviously don't know what arbitrary means. It's exceedingly difficult to correct your ignorance if you can't even grasp the words you are reading.



so you pick out the one thing in the summary of the study (the inroduction) that seems to agree with your weltanschauung while ignoring the following sentences thus taking it out of context. your troll is tired, let it sleep.


It's not out of context at all. First of all the entire article you linked is a mere hypothesis with zero supporting evidence. Second of all it suggests that virus'/RNA preceded DNA which is a literal impossibility since first of all, RNA on it's own cannot create a living cell and a virus remains permanently dormant until infecting a DNA based host. Without DNA, RNA and virus' are lifeless and useless, sorta like you.



computer code is computer code. if your encoding information on dna then you're using organic methods and not strictly computer code. comparing coding eq to the creation of dna is absurd.

Yes you're right, comparing DNA to EQ coding is absurd but what's far more ridiculously absurd is suggesting that DNA, which is unimaginably more complex than EQ's code, some how managed to form randomly on it's own with zero intelligent guidance of any kind. Only a special kind of stupid can achieve mental gymnastics of this caliber.

[Ahldagor]

i have to save face by replying to my secret crush ahldagor, so i've replied to his notions the only way i know how to by presenting an aggressive tone in order to woo his witty, well thought out, logically charmed arguments that flow from his fingers to enable his fingers into my butt prepping my anus for his spit lubed penis

thank you for that compliment, but i don't know you well enough to have sex with you

[Glenzig]

then god would not be all powerful. the rigidity is there because this is rhetorical discourse which is dictated by logic, the law of non-contradiction. there is no free will in the abrahamic model due to the events having only come into possibility via god's will. so that 3 year old with leukemia that will die from it any day now is god's will.

If that's he model you use to describe god, please don't say its based on the bible. That's so far off it isn't funny.

[Ahldagor]

If that's he model you use to describe god, please don't say its based on the bible. That's so far off it isn't funny.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/10-awesome-attributes-of-god/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attributes_of_God_in_Christianity

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-attributes-of-god-what-are-the-attributes-of-god/

http://www.theopedia.com/List_of_God's_known_attributes

it's what they believe in, but the early church fucked up by platonizing the religion. then again if they didn't there probably would be no church to refer to as the early church

[Scrooge]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37303981.jpg

Truth hurts?


You obviously don't know what arbitrary means. It's exceedingly difficult to correct your ignorance if you can't even grasp the words you are reading.


Well said.

[Ahldagor]

You obviously don't know what arbitrary means. It's exceedingly difficult to correct your ignorance if you can't even grasp the words you are reading.

your system of thinking is only validated by people agreeing with your notions. is it arbitrary to consider the notion that god was made up by humans? to put that question better, how is it that you've concluded that god is a necessary thing? i'd like you to show an original definition, description, and proof of the existence god too. i mean since i am the creator of validity with what i read then i dictate the terms, no?


It's not out of context at all. First of all the entire article you linked is a mere hypothesis with zero supporting evidence. Second of all it suggests that virus'/RNA preceded DNA which is a literal impossibility since first of all, RNA on it's own cannot create a living cell and a virus remains permanently dormant until infecting a DNA based host. Without DNA, RNA and virus' are lifeless and useless, sorta like you.


supporting evidence is given in the article if you read it. the list of sources is provided in the footnotes, but that might mean you have to read more and find out that scientific research isn't for the impatient.

[Ahldagor]

Truth hurts?

i don't know how it does or doesn't. truth is some categorical agreement usually.

[Scrooge]

supporting evidence is given in the article if you read it. the list of sources is provided in the footnotes, but that might mean you have to read more and find out that scientific research isn't for the impatient.

It's quite ironic (funny too) you say that now, while at the same time refusing to do the same about this thread's main topic.

Reptilian Humanoid (Reptoid) research isn't for the impatient either, cause you have to read more and watch more, yet you jumped to conclusions soon as you saw a few images - like the others on my list of trolls.

That's why you're on my list of trolls, not cause you don't agree with my opinions. Cause if I really branded every poster who disagreed with me as a troll, my ignore list would be far bigger than it actually is.

It's like I said many times before, I didn't make this thread for anyone's approval, I made this thread to increase awareness of the Reptoids' existance. Whether you choose to believe it or not, isn't my problem.

[Rhambuk]

youve shown absolutely nothing to back up that claim, no REAL Evidence. i wont even mention the photos or videos, its all theory and conspiracy.

[Ahldagor]

It's quite ironic (funny too) you say that now, while at the same time refusing to do the same about this thread's main topic.

Reptilian Humanoid (Reptoid) research isn't for the impatient either, cause you have to read more and watch more, yet you jumped to conclusions soon as you saw a few images - like the others on my list of trolls.

That's why you're on my list of trolls, not cause you don't agree with my opinions. Cause if I really branded every poster who disagreed with me as a troll, my ignore list would be far bigger than it actually is.

It's like I said many times before, I didn't make this thread for anyone's approval, I made this thread to increase awareness of the Reptoids' existance. Whether you choose to believe it or not, isn't my problem.

sober up for a couple months then re-watch all of that again

was my first response because a good friend of mine got heavily into this theory then stopped smoking pot, stopped using hallucinogens, stopped using cocaine, and started a light exercise regiment. looked back at all the saved files he had and laughed because he could recognize the holes in the evidential claims.

it's not a matter of having a theory and informing people which many have done with this theory, but the testing of the evidence for the results that are concluded. when it's done the evidence doesn't hold much weight. it's then that you've consistently called people troll. you have a lack of understanding regarding method and a lack of self-awareness that's comical because you suck at life.

you also don't know what irony is

[valarmorghulis]

supporting evidence is given in the article if you read it. the list of sources is provided in the footnotes, but that might mean you have to read more and find out that scientific research isn't for the impatient.

No it's just ideas of how it COULD be possible. There is no evidence that it actually IS possible. You need to do yourself a favor and learn the difference.

[phacemeltar]

http://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/cgi-bin/facts.php

get back on track, humanoids

[Ahldagor]

No it's just ideas of how it COULD be possible. There is no evidence that it actually IS possible. You need to do yourself a favor and learn the difference.

your troll is tired let it sleep

[valarmorghulis]

your troll is tired let it sleep

Lol? You're so fucking retarded it's unbelievable. There is no evidence for the RNA world hypothesis you dumb fuck. That's why it's called the RNA world HYPOTHESIS. Please kill yourself.

Here's just one example of your retardation from the post you linked.

The first step in the emergence of DNA has been most likely the formation of U-DNA

Keywords : "most likely". Wow that sure is some strong evidence you got there bro. Don't worry guys, it's most likely that U-DNA was the first step in the emergence of DNA. Since we have no actual fucking clue if it's true or not, we'll just say it's most likely and dumb fucks like Ahldagor will believe that shit because they are too stupid to think for them self and can't differentiate between actual evidence and bullshit.

[Scrooge]

youve shown absolutely nothing to back up that claim, no REAL Evidence. i wont even mention the photos or videos, its all theory and conspiracy.

What do you consider "real evidence" to be? The videos and images speak for themselves, if you actually watch them.

If you think it's not enough evidence, feel free to research it for yourself, I've been encouraging that line of thought since the beginning, yet some of you can't seem to grasp that much.

Like the video with the long ass tongues for example, do you personally know any regular people with tongues that long? Or how about the latest video I posted here, with the guy in the background on some TV show, staring right at the camera with his big slitted eyes?!

[Glenzig]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahldagor View Post
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow....ibutes-of-god/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...n_Christianity

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-at...ibutes-of-god/

http://www.theopedia.com/List_of_God's_known_attributes

it's what they believe in, but the early church fucked up by platonizing the religion. then again if they didn't there probably would be no church to refer to as the early church.""



Just because people believe that about God, doesn't make it factual. Its not supported by scripture. Its a perverting of what's found in the bible by blending it with lo g held human philosophies. Much like Darwinism is a perversion of scientific evidence by blending it with long held human philosophies. No difference really.

[radditsu]

What do you consider "real evidence" to be? The videos and images speak for themselves, if you actually watch them.

If you think it's not enough evidence, feel free to research it for yourself, I've been encouraging that line of thought since the beginning, yet some of you can't seem to grasp that much.

Like the video with the long ass tongues for example, do you personally know any regular people with tongues that long? Or how about the latest video I posted here, with the guy in the background on some TV show, staring right at the camera with his big slitted eyes?!



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lVUfj2CF4HY/UU-BvMvlmvI/AAAAAAAAH4Q/V6pHD_vy-E8/s1600/gene-simmons-tongue.jpg

[Rhambuk]

What do you consider "real evidence" to be? The videos and images speak for themselves, if you actually watch them.

If you think it's not enough evidence, feel free to research it for yourself, I've been encouraging that line of thought since the beginning, yet some of you can't seem to grasp that much.

Like the video with the long ass tongues for example, do you personally know any regular people with tongues that long? Or how about the latest video I posted here, with the guy in the background on some TV show, staring right at the camera with his big slitted eyes?!

If those video's are enough for you thats great, they mean nothing to me personally. Not convinced at all. Any of the links with theory is just that it SOUNDS plausible but there is nothing to actually back it up other than strange coincidences and photos/video's.

again, that is not enough to convince me. Some people have redeye in photo's that doesn't mean they are possessed by a demon and only the photo shows the true evil behind their eyes...its just a technological glitch.

[Ahldagor]

Lol? You're so fucking retarded it's unbelievable. There is no evidence for the RNA world hypothesis you dumb fuck. That's why it's called the RNA world HYPOTHESIS. Please kill yourself.

Here's just one example of your retardation from the post you linked.



Keywords : "most likely". Wow that sure is some strong evidence you got there bro. Don't worry guys, it's most likely that U-DNA was the first step in the emergence of DNA. Since we have no actual fucking clue if it's true or not, we'll just say it's most likely and dumb fucks like Ahldagor will believe that shit because they are too stupid to think for them self and can't differentiate between actual evidence and bullshit.

you have yet to define god in an original way to me, so how can i trust your invectives? your troll is tired, let it sleep.

[Ahldagor]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lVUfj2CF4HY/UU-BvMvlmvI/AAAAAAAAH4Q/V6pHD_vy-E8/s1600/gene-simmons-tongue.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hYb1c3h.gif

[Ahldagor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahldagor View Post
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow....ibutes-of-god/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...n_Christianity

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-at...ibutes-of-god/

http://www.theopedia.com/List_of_God's_known_attributes

it's what they believe in, but the early church fucked up by platonizing the religion. then again if they didn't there probably would be no church to refer to as the early church.""



Just because people believe that about God, doesn't make it factual. Its not supported by scripture. Its a perverting of what's found in the bible by blending it with lo g held human philosophies. Much like Darwinism is a perversion of scientific evidence by blending it with long held human philosophies. No difference really.

the last part of my post, and don't forget "on earth as it is in heaven"

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/hYb1c3h.gif

proof of reptilians

[Ahldagor]

proof of reptilians

she was a slut in high school, and now she does porn. very well too.

[Orruar]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lVUfj2CF4HY/UU-BvMvlmvI/AAAAAAAAH4Q/V6pHD_vy-E8/s1600/gene-simmons-tongue.jpg

Clearly a reptile

[valarmorghulis]

you have yet to define god in an original way to me, so how can i trust your invectives? your troll is tired, let it sleep.

God can't be defined you complete retard. I'm not even here to debate at all. I'm here to tell you that you have no clue what you're talking about and that I do and am simply trying to educate you. You seriously think I'm here to argue with some idiot kid who repeats the same retarded phrase "your troll is tired, let it sleep" over and over again and has a ren n stimpy avatar(clearly a show intelligent people watch rofl)? You need a reality check.

[Scrooge]

a) Normal people don't have tongues that're long enough to even reach the tip of their noses, unless they have an exceptionally long-downward like nose!

b) There are many more Reptilian hybrids than anyone can even speculate, whether they believe in their existance or not! However, the hybrids themselves are counted as the lowest rank or caste within the Reptilian hierarchy, because the pure Reptilians do not accept them as one of their own.

c) They're not limited to any one singular area or environment, they are literally everywhere. If we had special sunglasses like those out of "They Live," there'd be so many heart attacks around the world, there wouldn't be enough hospitals to take them. That's probably an even better way for them to get rid of us, just come right out into the open.

From the first page:


Reptilian shapeshifters - Reptilian Tongues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heEWqFH1coQ

http://s25.postimg.org/k8j0ho8b3/Reptilian_shapeshifter_Reptilian_Tongues1.jpg

[Lojik]

Proof of God is everywhere around you. Everything that exists is proof of God. Only an intelligent mind can create something and the Universe didn't always exist therefor it had a beginning and therefor has a creator. DNA itself is smoking gun evidence for God.

God didn't "come to be". God has always been and always will be. He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. God cannot be scientifically explained because he does exist within the realms of science. God created the Universe and is not subject to it's laws and regulations as he is the one who created them. This is why he is able to overrule natural laws at will such as the creation of life, which without God would be otherwise impossible.

God can't be defined you complete retard.

Haven't you been attempting to define God this whole thread? So there is some "thing?" I guess we should call it that you call God and it can not be defined. However, somehow, there is proof all around us that this undefinable thing exists?

[Ahldagor]

God can't be defined you complete retard. I'm not even here to debate at all. I'm here to tell you that you have no clue what you're talking about and that I do and am simply trying to educate you. You seriously think I'm here to argue with some idiot kid who repeats the same retarded phrase "your troll is tired, let it sleep" over and over again and has a ren n stimpy avatar(clearly a show intelligent people watch rofl)? You need a reality check.

lil baby need a nap?

[valarmorghulis]

Haven't you been attempting to define God this whole thread? So there is some "thing?" I guess we should call it that you call God and it can not be defined. However, somehow, there is proof all around us that this undefinable thing exists?

We can only know about God, what God has let us know about him. This retard Ahldagor wants a fully encompassing definition of God wrapped into a neat little package. We can know certain aspects of God and we can see clear obvious evidence of his involvement in the universe.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

[Scrooge]

God can't be defined you complete retard. I'm not even here to debate at all. I'm here to tell you that you have no clue what you're talking about and that I do and am simply trying to educate you. You seriously think I'm here to argue with some idiot kid who repeats the same retarded phrase "your troll is tired, let it sleep" over and over again and has a ren n stimpy avatar(clearly a show intelligent people watch rofl)? You need a reality check.

Pay no mind to the troll squad, it's pretty obvious they only post to raise their post count. It's the only way the common troll can make themselves think they're worthy of any intellectual conversation, when they just aren't.

Though sometimes they can make a post that makes a little bit of sense, and try to convince themselves they're anything but what they really are, a common troll. :)

[Ahldagor]

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

We can only know about God, what God has let us know about him. This retard Ahldagor wants a fully encompassing definition of God wrapped into a neat little package. We can know certain aspects of God and we can see clear obvious evidence of his involvement in the universe.

http://itsthepollvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/you-are-literally-too-stupid-to-insult_1171.gif

[Lojik]

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—



http://itsthepollvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/you-are-literally-too-stupid-to-insult_1171.gif

Is your character "Ickee" named after the Icke guy that started this reptilian nonsense?

[Hailto]

This thread is fucking stupid, why is it still on the front page?

[Ahldagor]

Is your character "Ickee" named after the Icke guy that started this reptilian nonsense?

you are the first to make the connection

[Ahldagor]

This thread is fucking stupid, why is it still on the front page?

scrooge and his barking dog are good to poke

[Scrooge]

This thread is fucking stupid, why is it still on the front page?

Answer to your question is still posting nonstop trying to convince everyone he's not a troll, when he's exactly that. I haven't had to bump this thread in quite a long while now, the trolls do all the work for me.

Keep on posting, little trolls, keep on posting!

[Ahldagor]

Answer to your question is still posting nonstop trying to convince everyone he's not a troll, when he's exactly that. I haven't had to bump this thread in quite a long while now, the trolls do all the work for me.

Keep on posting, little trolls, keep on posting!

that you didn't catch one of my char names is just sad. do you not know your notion's origins?

[Scrooge]

that you didn't catch one of my char names is just sad. do you not know your notion's origins?

I know all about David Icke, however, to say that this theory started with him would be a huge understatement, unless he's secretely a vampire who's thousands of years old.

[Ahldagor]

I know all about David Icke, however, to say that this theory started with him would be a huge understatement, unless he's secretly a vampire who's thousands of years old.

who knows? i don't and i don't care. done the math on the light years and you do understand what the celestial sphere is, right?

[Hailto]

unless he's secretely a vampire who's thousands of years old.

Coming from most people I would take this as sarcasm, but given that you believe reptoids control the media and government you have probably seriously considered it.

[Scrooge]

The mistake most people make when talking about universal distances being measured in light years, is that the ETs can only travel directly from point A to point B, like we would in a Car or an Airplane.

However, if their technology is thousands of years ahead of ours, haven't you ever considered the possibility of them being able to travel through other means? From my own research as well as the research of others, the ETs have technology to bend space, as well as travel through specific worm-holes in such a way, that they are able to travel through space almost instantly.

It's quite fascinating actually, the ETs that crashed during the Roswell incident in 1947, communicated some of this info, and it was being kept secret from the eyes (and minds) of the public for decades.

[Orruar]

The mistake most people make when talking about universal distances being measured in light years, is that the ETs can only travel directly from point A to point B, like we would in a Car or an Airplane.

However, if their technology is thousands of years ahead of ours, haven't you ever considered the possibility of them being able to travel through other means? From my own research as well as the research of others, the ETs have technology to bend space, as well as travel through specific worm-holes in such a way, that they are able to travel through space almost instantly.

It's quite fascinating actually, the ETs that crashed during the Roswell incident in 1947, communicated some of this info, and it was being kept secret from the eyes (and minds) of the public for decades.

So they can bend space, travel through worm holes, but are still working on some way to kill off all the humans of earth using electricity (despite some space laws that say they must con us into giving them our planet). Seems right to me.

[Scrooge]

So they can bend space, travel through worm holes, but are still working on some way to kill off all the humans of earth using electricity (despite some space laws that say they must con us into giving them our planet). Seems right to me.

Did I say anywhere in the post before this one, that I was talking about Reptilians specifically? Don't think I did.

Reptilians by nature, are masters of deception, so who knows if what the one who was being interviewed in that book, answered those questions honestly. Maybe he spoke in half-truths, or was lying his ass off completely, I can't know personally.

I posted the initial contents of that book, for the viewers to decide that part of it for themselves.

[myriverse]

They're all lying. And none of them can really get their stories straight.

[Orruar]

Did I say anywhere in the post before this one, that I was talking about Reptilians specifically? Don't think I did.

Reptilians by nature, are masters of deception, so who knows if what the one who was being interviewed in that book, answered those questions honestly. Maybe he spoke in half-truths, or was lying his ass off completely, I can't know personally.

I posted the initial contents of that book, for the viewers to decide that part of it for themselves.

What do you suppose are the odds that in the interview, you had a reptile lying their ass off vs. a human lying their ass off?

[Scrooge]

Well considering the human was being threatened prior to releasing the book itself, and found dead shortly after, I'd say that brings a certain validity to the book's content. That's the way I see it.

Have you ever heard of Phil Schneider? If not, look him up, he talked about Black Projects as well as a firefight that broke out between the ETs (tall greys) and Deltas + some civillians. There were many attempts on his life after he began to speak out, and was also killed shortly after his last interview in 1995. The interview is very intriguing, especially if one has some interest in ETs and UFOs, and their contact with the US govt.

[phacemeltar]

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/klaus_dona_2_interview_transcript_en.html

[Scrooge]

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/klaus_dona_2_interview_transcript_en.html

So many interesting photos of artifacts, nice find!

[phacemeltar]

So many interesting photos of artifacts, nice find!

supposedly its legit. there are many other sources online with similar pictures/details.

also, the guy being interviewed does not have an english language wikipedia page. but he does have one in denmark, whatever that means..

[Ahldagor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation

[Trosh]

meth is one helluva drug

omg.. you must just wander around forums waiting to find wacky posts like this so you can say that. Bravo sir, Bravo. (I know I sure would)

[Scrooge]

Straight from the site phacemeltar linked:

And especially this one. Definitely several doctors and experts told me it would not be possible to create such a kind of deformation, because through deformation you do not get the double bone material on the skull. And on this skull, even you have particles of the skin and hairs, and I think it would not be difficult to do an age-dating, and especially a DNA analysis, of this skull.

http://projectavalon.net/Klaus_Dona_2_html_171ce9db.jpg

[Scrooge]

Clear Unidentified Flying Object filmed in Maasluis, The Netherlands - Apr 15, 2014 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57gQl9UMERo)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HK-SEykFRSE/U00uDBuGRTI/AAAAAAAAIkU/dCPPhGktTnI/s1600/ufo+netherlands+2014.jpg

[Orruar]

Why do people videotape kites?

[Wipe it Clean]

thread bad, plz wipe it clean

[Scrooge]

Laura Magdalene Eisenhower: ET invasion has already occurred and governments do not want us to know!

There has been a massive cover up in regards to ET contact with our governments and there has been much secrecy in regards to those who have been either abducted or contacted - this is because an invasion has already taken place and they don’t want us to know this. This invasion has infiltrated every sector of our society, in disguise to most, but blatantly obvious to many.

When we look at Whistleblower testimony - it is clear that some sort of deal was made with a group of ET’s and from what I have discovered, this began long before Ike (former U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mr. Eisenhower's great-grandfather) ever stepped into office.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2014/04/laura-magdalene-eisenhower-reveals-et-disclosure-secrets-at-the-world-et-summit.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdfIuTm2VuM

Sounds interesting enough to look into, enjoy!

[Grimfan]

"Laura is a Intuitive Astrologist, Global Alchemist, Cosmic Mythologist and is the great-granddaughter of Dwight David Eisenhower."

Interesting. So does that mean she knows everything through intuition?

[Azure]

It's cause she's a Magdalene (Mage) priestess w/e she probably had her virginity stolen from the pope at age 13 and gained special powers.

[moklianne]

Supposedly the White House is haunted with a demon that changes into the form of a cat. It roams the basement.

[Scrooge]

"Laura is a Intuitive Astrologist, Global Alchemist, Cosmic Mythologist and is the great-granddaughter of Dwight David Eisenhower."

Interesting. So does that mean she knows everything through intuition?

I think it means she's just good at what she does, and has predicted events that came true. I haven't listened to the video interview yet, I'll get around to it soon though.

I have however, read and listened to something else (a long time ago) she was involved in, when talking about the presense of US bases on Mars.

Laura Eisenhower's Mars Recruitment Story Confirmed by satellite photos, CNN and TIME. One way ticket to Mars. Private space agency plans to colonize Mars. Satellite photos of structures and people on Mars. Life on Mars.

Laura Eisenhower's Mars Recruitment Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2Mxoqkjlc)

P.S. Don't believe everything NASA tells you!

[citizen1080]

If i ever decide to do drugs, I want what you are on sir =)

[Grimfan]

I think it means she's just good at what she does, and has predicted events that came true. I haven't listened to the video interview yet, I'll get around to it soon though.

I have however, read and listened to something else (a long time ago) she was involved in, when talking about the presense of US bases on Mars.



Laura Eisenhower's Mars Recruitment Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2Mxoqkjlc)

P.S. Don't believe everything NASA tells you!

What events did she predict? What makes her good at what she does? Is it because she is Eisenhower's relative? Did she give herself those titles or were they granted by someone else? Who grants a title like that? I watched the video, and it explains basically nothing.

[Glenzig]

Supposedly the White House is haunted with a demon that changes into the form of a cat. It roams the basement.

Now that I believe.

[phacemeltar]

a few years ago, NASA's youtube channel used to post some really weird videos.. now they are all gone and have been replaced with regular stuff.

i remember watching this hour long video from their channel of a guy on a couch talking about chemtrails.

[Scrooge]

The official government related channels always try to suppress the truth, but every once in a while something leaks through the cracks regardless.

Like the NASA Helioviewer (http://www.helioviewer.org/) images for example, sometimes reveals gigantic UFOs all around our Sun, and the images are taken offline shortly after. There's a channel on YT that's been keeping track of these occurrances for years now.

https://www.youtube.com/user/myunhauzen74

There was an especially outstanding captured event from a couple of years ago, of this gigantic UFO, and what seemed to look like it was siphoning energy directly from our Sun. All 3 links below are about the same event, just with varying quality and subcontent.

UFO Harvesting Energy From The Sun? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06uJXoY4ugU)

Massive UFO Re-fueling at the SUN!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7NIwY5y1A) - Spanish Channel (with eng subs) talking about the event.

GIANT UFO near the SUN??? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEU-x2lEOk) - And another, this one is of better quality going up to 1080p, displays the date stamps of the images as well.

Enjoy!

[Orruar]

Honest question here: Are there any conspiracy theories regarding UFOs/aliens you don't believe in?

[Scrooge]

Honest question here: Are there any conspiracy theories regarding UFOs/aliens you don't believe in?

Honest answer: I never said I believed in any conspiracy theories regarding UFOs/aliens.

What I've been saying all along, is that I find this content intriguing, and would like to hear from other people who may be interested as well. Whether the replies are positive or negative, is ultimately irrelevant, long as they're serious and not trolling. I do plenty of research on a topic before I bring it up for discussion, such as this thread's original subject.

Although sometimes it seems a bit much to ask of some people to watch a short video or two, before jumping to conclusions. If you disagree with the content, even after watching the videos presented here, and doing your own research on the matter, I'd want to hear your opnions & conclusions!

Some funnies (but true) from urbandictionary.com:

Conspiracy Theory (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conspiracy+theory):

1) Designation assigned by corporate media to any idea divergent of government script.

2) Results from careful and unbiased analysis of the facts and circumstances surrounding a high profile event, proving an agenda is/was in motion.

3) Two words which are uttered whenever anyone is getting too close to the truth

4) A term debunkers use to refer to anything that is impossible for them to accept no matter what irrefutable evidence is presented. To these people the term is synonymous with fraud, lies and is even dangerous to consider other than for the purpose of debunking or to give oneself an imagined sense of superiority to those gullible enough to fall for such outrageous falsehoods.

....and last but not least:

5) A label that can be affixed to any argument or point that one doesn't like, to avoid having to provide a valid response to it. Much like "that's just your opinion", "I don't actually care" and "I was joking", this card is frequently played by the debater who has been outwitted and defeated, but thinks if he doesn't directly admit it, he still might be seen as the overall winner. This remains a powerful tactic though, due to the extremely negative connotation of the term "conspiracy theory", given to it by people who think it's impossible that anyone would ever do something that's not good for us then cover it up, so insisting something is a conspiracy theory is still an alarmingly effective way of getting people to side with the person without a point, regardless of how little sense calling it a conspiracy theory actually makes. Remember, labels are powerful things and can easily affect what people perceive something as actually being.

[Scrooge]

Reserving next post for Peggy Kane & Alex Collier; the first being a Reptilian contactee via reverse EVP (electronic voice phenomenon), and the second being a direct contactee with benevolent humanoid beings from the Andromeda Galaxy. I'll also present some info on Billy Meier, a direct contactee with the Pleiadians.

Alex Collier wrote 'Defending Sacred Ground – The Andromedan Compendium' and published it for free in 1996. - http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-defending-sacred-ground-1996/ - available for DL in PDF format (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-defending-sacred-ground-1996.pdf).

[moklianne]

I kind of have the same attitude towards all of this. I don't believe in it, per se. I accept that some other people do and its worth looking into it further. If it gets proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in the future, it wouldn't surprise me and it wouldn't shake my foundation like it may for many of the big religions of the world.

In the end though, if nothing else, its fantastic entertainment.

[moklianne]

Reserving next post for Peggy Kane & Alex Collier; the first being a Reptilian contactee via reverse EVP (electronic voice phenomenon), and the second being a direct contactee with benevolent humanoid beings from the Andromeda Galaxy. I'll also present some info on Billy Meier, a direct contactee with the Pleiadians.

Alex Collier wrote 'Defending Sacred Ground – The Andromedan Compendium' and published it for free in 1996. - http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-defending-sacred-ground-1996/ - available for DL in PDF format (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-defending-sacred-ground-1996.pdf).

The only issue I have with Billy Meier's story is that the aliens that contacted him said that they were the only ones to contact Earthlings. To me, this either throws his entire story into question or if true, would mean that everything else that has been experienced is either a hallucination or some government ploy or drone, etc. At that point, you could also argue about multiple dimensions and how some people perceive some and not others. It gets fuzzy.

I'm not sure if you already brought this up, but I've always found Stanley Arthur Fulham's story pretty interesting, he's that one that predicted the UFO hovering in some major cities back on August 13, 2010. He believes that sometime in 2015 the most human looking race of aliens will confront the UN, essentially coming out of the closet. The reason for doing this is because "humans are near their technological limit for stopping climate change". The Grey aliens have technology to do this without an issue.

https://sites.google.com/site/challengesofchange/articles/full-articles

[Dragonsblood1987]

this makes my head hurt.

why do people get so attached to these crazy theories?

Because a lot of people have trouble accepting the fact that we're in the thick of the excitement already. Life tends to be mostly fucking boring, and some people feel the urge to blow their own minds by creating theories about off the wall shit. CIA=towers though. Any literate person has access to irrefutable evidence, they just can't accept that their government is actually the global bad guy.

[Grimfan]

Because a lot of people have trouble accepting the fact that we're in the thick of the excitement already. Life tends to be mostly fucking boring, and some people feel the urge to blow their own minds by creating theories about off the wall shit. CIA=towers though. Any literate person has access to irrefutable evidence, they just can't accept that their government is actually the global bad guy.

Really? People need a conspiracy theory to be excited about life right now and the future? Can they not just look at some sweet stuff we have on the way, or what we're developing. VR, 3D Printing, electronic textiles, growing/printing of body parts and organs, medicine to combat aging and death, computers that are going down in size but increasing in power every day, solar panels that are clear like glass, I could keep going on about it but we're like 10-15 years from some sweet tech and people really need lizards controlling the world to get a stiff one? I'm just not impressed.

Sure, fifteen-twenty years ago, I might have had fun with my decoder ring, but videos that are clearly edited and blurry images that are easily shopped are not my idea of a good time.

[myriverse]

Because a lot of people have trouble accepting the fact that we're in the thick of the excitement already. Life tends to be mostly fucking boring, and some people feel the urge to blow their own minds by creating theories about off the wall shit. CIA=towers though. Any literate person has access to irrefutable evidence, they just can't accept that their government is actually the global bad guy.
Indeed. Doesn't help that the propagators of these theories are nothing but a bunch of attention whores.

[Scrooge]

Before I go further into the Reversed EVP territory, I'll present some basic examples, so as to introduce the subject itself to those of you who've never heard of it before.

First Example:

Obama's "Yes We Can" chant, in reverse. I'll provide up to 3 videos for each example.

1) Yes We Can Backwards Obama speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVj4I4KWyTI)

2) Me saying "Yes We Can" backwards. Freaky, man. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdTIPfQwS4U)

3) Obama - Yes We Can (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqALdkTArqs)

Note: This isn't audio manipulation (like photoshop for images), if you're having doubts about what you're hearing, there's a very easy way to verify this. Simply record your own voice saying the exact same phrase being said in the videos, then play the recording backwards.

[moklianne]

Hidden messages in reversed audio I can't get behind.

We have a limited number of sounds available that we can make. Of course reversing audio is going to sound like other phrases and its just a coincidence that it turned out like this for Obama's catchphrase.

In the end, what would be the point of putting a message in his or anyone else's speech? You don't need to. If you worship Satan, then you pray to him and thank him in private. There's no need for messages like this.

Subliminal messages I can understand. I just don't get the whole fascination with reversed audio. No one can perceive that when its spoken. Its only recording technology available within the past 100 years that allows us to even come up with this theory.

[Scrooge]

Hidden messages in reversed audio I can't get behind.

We have a limited number of sounds available that we can make. Of course reversing audio is going to sound like other phrases and its just a coincidence that it turned out like this for Obama's catchphrase.

In the end, what would be the point of putting a message in his or anyone else's speech? You don't need to. If you worship Satan, then you pray to him and thank him in private. There's no need for messages like this.

Subliminal messages I can understand. I just don't get the whole fascination with reversed audio. No one can perceive that when its spoken. Its only recording technology available within the past 100 years that allows us to even come up with this theory.

See, if this was limited to a few random occurances, I would agree, but it's not. I only used this as the most basic of examples. There are literally thousands of such recordings, and when trying to reverse a human voice, sometimes there is a whole other message behind it, having something to do with our subconscious.

When Peggy Kane was interacting with the 4th Dimensional Reptoids, using various digital recorders, they would speak with a normal human voice. However, over time she had realized she was being deceived, and when she'd start reversing their recordings, she'd get what they were really saying. In fact, one of the ways she came to this conclusion, was when she reversed her own voice recording, and her own subconscious was telling her she was being deceived.

Also, most EVP recordings she's obtained, were recorded in some places where there aren't any people around whatsoever. These beings in the 4th dimension, need some type of background noise to use as a medium, to be able to communicate to our dimension.

The first example she presented in a video interview I'll post below, she recorded a Reptoid hybrid at a wedding, prince whats his face in England. While he was talking all normal like in a regular recording, when reversed, the message that came back said "Yea, I'm a wolf, Peg, but who would believe it?"

For those who don't get what that means, this being a reference to a "wolf in sheep's clothing." Or to be more precise, a Reptoid looking like a human, and no one around even suspects it.

This video is very in-depth about the subject of 4th Dimensional Reptilians; it goes into detail not just on reverse EVP recordings, but also about what's really going on in the 4th Dimension itself. She's been in communication with people living there, who describe one hell of a world, where the Reptoids live out in the open and are the top of the food chain, and feed on humans.

It's a very interesting interview, done on April 30, 2006. Even if you think its bogus at first - give it the benefit of the doubt, watch it anyway before you come to a conclusion!

UFO Hypotheses - Peggy Kane Volume One (01 of 24) (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7D6538644A0D34AB) - 5min per chapter, roughly 2 hrs total

UFO Hypotheses - Peggy Kane Volume Two (01 of 24) (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6F12D9F1E2F7CD77) - 5min per chapter, roughly 2 hrs total

In the first-ever DVD of the "UFO Hypotheses" series, UFO researcher and talk show host Peggy Kane discusses her odyssey into the strange realms of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena) and RS (Reverse Speech), which led her into ongoing conversations with the dead now residing in the lower astral world.

These hypotheses are actually compilations of testimones from other ET contactees too, like Alex Collier. Very interesting stuff!

[Scrooge]

Next, I'll be posting some solid info on Area 51, and more specifically, it's underground D.U.M.B. (Deep Underground Military Base) counter-part, known as S4.

Rick Keefe, the same person who was carrying out the UFO Hypotheses interviews (in my previous post) on the 4th Dimensional Reptilians & the lower Astral plane they inhabit & control, with Peggy Kane, as well as interviews on the Reptilians and Andromedans, with Alex Collier, which I've posted before (I'll make a new post with more detailed info on the matter.) Rick Keefe's next series of interviews are titled "UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers," volumes 1-3.

The sources being interviewed are all high-rank ex-military personnel, one of which was part of the security detail in the S4 facility itself, guarding the 'underground hangar level' which housed 9 E.T. crafts.

The interviews go into in-depth details on everything from the approximate location of the base and how personnel are transferred to and from the base, to the security measures they go to - to prevent any information from being leaked out, and describing the E.T. crafts in detail.

It was only after the security guard's life was threatened, and the failed attempts on his life, that he decided to contact the other ex-servicemen being interviewed, one of whom is Robert Dean, to try to get this information out into the open through reliable channels.

These interviews, are easily among the best I've ever come across on the subject of UFO craft, and the US government's involvement in their capture, as well as reverse-engineering of said UFO craft.

The long-awaited release of the 1991 "Connor O'Ryan" testimony. Featuring Wendelle C. Stevens, Robert O. Dean, Gem Cox and many others. We let you know it all...

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume One (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=holCY20CtNA&index=2&list=PLCD7424712D84DEE3), 16 chapters, 10min each, 2h17m total

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Two (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7tiIB8eC1s&index=2&list=PL03AB12ACB6CB22B9), 12 chapters, 10min each, 1h52m total

UFO Hypotheses - S4 Informers Volume Three (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ0-GQEUSKM&index=2&list=PL55324C71E40F58A5), 18 chapters, 10min each, 2h28m total

Enjoy!

[Scrooge]

Reptilian Caught Hissing On Live TV? (CNBC News) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSScnOwL8tc)

Watch this video carefully, it's only 49 seconds long, pay attention especially to his physical movement, after he hisses at the guest on the show! It's as if he reacted naturally to being irritated, and then quickly realized his error.
Could CNBC host Joe Kernen be a Lizard? During a heated debate about the sale of Smithfield, a pork production company to China , Kernen suddenly hissed at guest Dennis Gartman.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kC2HbyapxPs/Uf2ISDa2PCI/AAAAAAAAB8w/bwt1_UdzD3g/s640/hiss.jpg (a bit blurry cause its a closeup, and off YouTube to boot, video itself is 720p)

The lesson here is "DO NOT" mention China or Chicken to a Reptillian, you may get hissed at!!

[Ahldagor]

http://www.troll.me/images/spider-man/ps-this-is-now-a-spiderman-thread.jpg

[Glenzig]

Who is this guy talking to by the way? He acts like he has a captive audience that is hanging on his every word.

[Lojik]

Reptilian Caught Hissing On Live TV? (CNBC News) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSScnOwL8tc)

Watch this video carefully, it's only 49 seconds long, pay attention especially to his physical movement, after he hisses at the guest on the show! It's as if he reacted naturally to being irritated, and then quickly realized his error.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kC2HbyapxPs/Uf2ISDa2PCI/AAAAAAAAB8w/bwt1_UdzD3g/s640/hiss.jpg (a bit blurry cause its a closeup, and off YouTube to boot, video itself is 720p)

The lesson here is "DO NOT" mention China or Chicken to a Reptillian, you may get hissed at!!

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/807090/width/528/height/397

[Ahldagor]

Reptilian Caught Hissing On Live TV? (CNBC News) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSScnOwL8tc)

Watch this video carefully, it's only 49 seconds long, pay attention especially to his physical movement, after he hisses at the guest on the show! It's as if he reacted naturally to being irritated, and then quickly realized his error.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kC2HbyapxPs/Uf2ISDa2PCI/AAAAAAAAB8w/bwt1_UdzD3g/s640/hiss.jpg (a bit blurry cause its a closeup, and off YouTube to boot, video itself is 720p)

The lesson here is "DO NOT" mention China or Chicken to a Reptillian, you may get hissed at!!

http://spider.gagrr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/9996d1327987632t-60s-spiderman-meme-go-1310921915959.jpg

[Rellapse40]

Who is this guy talking to by the way? He acts like he has a captive audience that is hanging on his every word.

Looks like he takes time to post informative information. It is up to the individual to believe it or not. All i see is people posting pictures they googled to troll, Instead of opening up a dialogue with him to disprove his information.

We don't know as much as we think we do. The people thinking outside the box in history were always looked at weird or killed. It is a shame because most of those people were correct.

[Ahldagor]

http://cdn.lotoflaughters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Spiderman-Meme-5.jpg

[Lojik]

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/07/02/1226414/997157-spiderman-lizard.jpg

Even spidey is in on it

[Sidelle]

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/funny-spiderman-meme-pictures-1.jpeg

[Scrooge]

Looks like he takes time to post informative information. It is up to the individual to believe it or not. All i see is people posting pictures they googled to troll, Instead of opening up a dialogue with him to disprove his information.

We don't know as much as we think we do. The people thinking outside the box in history were always looked at weird or killed. It is a shame because most of those people were correct.

Thanks for the lines of support, it's just too bad there aren't as many thinking people around, to actually discuss the subject matter with.

Although they do make it easy for the rest of us to filter all the trash talking out, by coming out into the open like the trolls they really are, it's a simple matter to add them to the updated "List of the Ignored Trolls" where they belong. They never have anything interesting to say, but atleast they bump this thread back up front!

[Lojik]

http://cdn.lotoflaughters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Spiderman-Meme-12.jpg

[Glenzig]

Looks like he takes time to post informative information. It is up to the individual to believe it or not. All i see is people posting pictures they googled to troll, Instead of opening up a dialogue with him to disprove his information.

We don't know as much as we think we do. The people thinking outside the box in history were always looked at weird or killed. It is a shame because most of those people were correct.

Oh. So you didn't read the first 10-20 pages where there actually were people engaging him with questions. But when he had no real answers, just more blurry pictures and conjecture, he resorted to calling us all trolls. Now I don't know who he's talking to.

[Scrooge]

Oh. So you didn't read the first 10-20 pages where there actually were people engaging him with questions. But when he had no real answers, just more blurry pictures and conjecture, he resorted to calling us all trolls. Now I don't know who he's talking to.

Maybe it's you who didn't actually read any of my posts, where I took the time to answer and explain questions, by those who are actually interested enough to ask them.

You claiming how I only post blurry pictures and conjecture, only shows your own ignorance, and that you didn't bother reading or watching any of the videos I've posted here - like the rest of the trolls on my list.

I didn't "resort to calling everyone trolls," only those who kept coming up with stupid non-related posts to the actual topic. I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again, if you have no interest in this thread or it's content, then don't look at it - its that simple.

If you have any serious questions on the subject, feel free to ask, and I'll answer if I can. If you keep posting non-related trash one post after another, you'll end up on the list of trolls, that's just how it is.

P.S. I actually took you (Glenzig) off that list a long while ago, if it wasn't obvious already.

[Glenzig]

If I'm on your list of trolls, does that mean that you think I'm actually a troll living inside a human?

[Ahldagor]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQeKO-r23jYQT9ZpNNxIxtDXfOcy6HWqcvgsWw1GVuSI13TEFa9AQ

[Lojik]

Oh. So you didn't read the first 10-20 pages where there actually were people engaging him with questions. But when he had no real answers, just more blurry pictures and conjecture, he resorted to calling us all trolls. Now I don't know who he's talking to.

Bigfoot is blurry. It's not the photographers fault

[Ahldagor]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIbyHS5tzBBHNZMXn09qN2i0399DztG ZHPPbjm7WJjhceTAheY

[Ahldagor]

http://anansisweb.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/60s-spiderman-meme-chocolate-r.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm6OUIRLOa-9Wvaow_8ZzSy7kZ4xwdN0bB3FSG2g2gq714DXKA

[Ahldagor]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/541/508/39f.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/draw-me-spiderman2.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lss93xmmS21qlw3o5o1_500.jpg

[Scrooge]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm6OUIRLOa-9Wvaow_8ZzSy7kZ4xwdN0bB3FSG2g2gq714DXKA

Did I tell you to stop trolling? Don't think I did!

[moklianne]

Bigfoot is blurry. It's not the photographers fault

There is a school of thought these days that UFO's and Bigfoot are actually connected. They appear at many UFO landings these days.

[Scrooge]

There is a school of thought these days that UFO's and Bigfoot are actually connected. They appear at many UFO landings these days.

According to some of the prior research I've done on their existance, they are actually inter-dimensional beings, and not at all the crude image most people would imagine them under.

[moklianne]

According to some of the prior research I've done on their existance, they are actually inter-dimensional beings, and not at all the crude image most people would imagine them under.

I remember reading a few reports where eye witness accounts have them actually getting off or onto an UFO.

I am starting to believe that a large number of UFO sightings may actually be a form of spiritual energy from the Earth and we are just interpreting it in different ways as individuals. It would explain why some people see UFO's quite often and others never do, even in hot areas of activity. Naturally, that isn't 100%, but I would imagine 90%+ fall into this category.

Similar could be applied to most paranormal encounters. You could even say that belief of the experiencer influences the environment and its a shared system. Meaning there are areas that are more receptive to human belief and thus houses become more haunted when specific individuals are present.

I do believe in UFO's, aliens visiting the Earth, haunted objects/locations, etc. But, IMO, I would place the true instances of these at 5-10%. The rest are as mentioned above. Hardcore skeptics would say they are hallucinations (even en mass), I believe its more complex than that.

[Ahldagor]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tbrhgGKQhps/Tyazmm7E3XI/AAAAAAAAB3g/dABhEMs7g1k/s1600/spiderman+meme+found+exactly+one+fuck+my+gift+to+y ou+spider+man.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7bPq6Hn8sbA/T99Zr75TLPI/AAAAAAAAC0o/YVS_qEM1yas/s1600/1316425821t-the-best-of-1960s-spider-man-meme-5604-1314731191-27%5B1%5D.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3231465-come-at-me-bro-spider-man-meme-s480x390-196085.jpg

[Ahldagor]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTw7-wGCxkj_gAFVHVOZSf6b-IOAFwMb4pxOzvVv3CdlA6lImmsNQ

[Ahldagor]

http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+don+t+know+if+you+like+to+read+but+you+_03a3abfd e3830385f0321c569479a42e.jpg

[Grimfan]

Maybe it's you who didn't actually read any of my posts, where I took the time to answer and explain questions, by those who are actually interested enough to ask them.

You claiming how I only post blurry pictures and conjecture, only shows your own ignorance, and that you didn't bother reading or watching any of the videos I've posted here - like the rest of the trolls on my list.

I didn't "resort to calling everyone trolls," only those who kept coming up with stupid non-related posts to the actual topic. I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again, if you have no interest in this thread or it's content, then don't look at it - its that simple.

If you have any serious questions on the subject, feel free to ask, and I'll answer if I can. If you keep posting non-related trash one post after another, you'll end up on the list of trolls, that's just how it is.

P.S. I actually took you (Glenzig) off that list a long while ago, if it wasn't obvious already.

Pretty sure I asked several questions over the course of this thread and you didn't answer a single one, just called me a troll for asking them, and they were serious questions. :/

[moklianne]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3231465-come-at-me-bro-spider-man-meme-s480x390-196085.jpg

Hah

[Daldolma]

Reptilian Caught Hissing On Live TV? (CNBC News) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSScnOwL8tc)

Watch this video carefully, it's only 49 seconds long, pay attention especially to his physical movement, after he hisses at the guest on the show! It's as if he reacted naturally to being irritated, and then quickly realized his error.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kC2HbyapxPs/Uf2ISDa2PCI/AAAAAAAAB8w/bwt1_UdzD3g/s640/hiss.jpg (a bit blurry cause its a closeup, and off YouTube to boot, video itself is 720p)

The lesson here is "DO NOT" mention China or Chicken to a Reptillian, you may get hissed at!!

lol you do realize he's quoting silence of the lambs, right? and the hiss is an imitation of hannibal lecter from the movie

this is a great example of why conspiracy theories are dumb

[Lojik]

lol you do realize he's quoting silence of the lambs, right? and the hiss is an imitation of hannibal lecter from the movie

this is a great example of why conspiracy theories are dumb

Daldoma added to ignore list cause TROLL

[beyondinfin]

This thread is https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyst0KnxK8xiYZ6_dydUjD-9AY-9a8QbUGbYeIFQtpCQ1hH0URpA

Ok, so reptiles are taking over the world, and nobody cares...So now what does a tin foil soldier do? We post lousy evidence on shitty EQ forums. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

I also wanted to point out (VERY late i might add) but it is possible for there to be a "right way" to "make" an organism. What I mean is that amino acids, DNA and MANY proteins in our cells (and all life on Earth) are the most stable, and to a cell is the "right way".

My microbial physiology professor in college one day asked the class what we thought life on other planets would look like chemically. Would they use silicon instead of carbon? Would they somehow be made of proteins we couldn't imagine? Could they use different elements in ways not seen on this planet? My professor said that actually most likely life on other planets would eerily appear exactly like life on Earth. This is because the most stable molecules in chemistry are what life evolved into using. It really makes no sense for a cell to waste energy making something not chemically stable. I don't think it is unreasonable to say life could evolve itself, and in doing so follows on a chemical path of most energy efficient.

[moklianne]

This thread is https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyst0KnxK8xiYZ6_dydUjD-9AY-9a8QbUGbYeIFQtpCQ1hH0URpA

Ok, so reptiles are taking over the world, and nobody cares...So now what does a tin foil soldier do? We post lousy evidence on shitty EQ forums. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

I also wanted to point out (VERY late i might add) but it is possible for there to be a "right way" to "make" an organism. What I mean is that amino acids, DNA and MANY proteins in our cells (and all life on Earth) are the most stable, and to a cell is the "right way".

My microbial physiology professor in college one day asked the class what we thought life on other planets would look like chemically. Would they use silicon instead of carbon? Would they somehow be made of proteins we couldn't imagine? Could they use different elements in ways not seen on this planet? My professor said that actually most likely life on other planets would eerily appear exactly like life on Earth. This is because the most stable molecules in chemistry are what life evolved into using. It really makes no sense for a cell to waste energy making something not chemically stable. I don't think it is unreasonable to say life could evolve itself, and in doing so follows on a chemical path of most energy efficient.

Exactly and the Reptilians are descendants of the dinosaurs supposedly. They are the original intelligent inhabitants of this planet. They've had longer to evolve. So, thanks for agreeing that they are possible.