Warrior Weapon HATE Chart

[Yaolin]

Please take a look. If you have any comments or questions please post them here. This information was gathered from lots of other posts and websites, thanks to everyone for putting in the effort to figure out some accurate numbers.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwLk00fzuQQMdzhmdUFEendhdWs/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks!!

[pharmakos]

good stuff

[khanable]

Where did you get the value for the generic stun proc? I don't think it's 500. I know when Lorean and I did some tests it was showing up around ~400-ish IIRC.

edit: seems you have this for the ropey thing (400) but all other stuns are listed at 500. I think they're all 400-ish.

[Yaolin]

Rod of Mourning "Force" 490 or 590 hate? Scorpikis Claw Impaler "Poison" 250, 500, 750 hate? Trochilic's Skean "Clockwork Poison" 650 or 750 hate? Runed Blade "Rune III" 300,400,500 hate?

[khanable]

Rod of Mourning "Force" 490 or 590 hate? Scorpikis Claw Impaler "Poison" 250, 500, 750 hate? Trochilic's Skean "Clockwork Poison" 650 or 750 hate? Runed Blade "Rune III" 300,400,500 hate?

490
750 (this seems abnormally high for this weapon.. no one uses these to tank and I think that's for a reason)
assuming "spinstun" is 400 hate like stun, 650
no clue on rune III (edit: alls says 2 hate/dmg absorb amount) -> 460

These should all really be tested, though.

[Yaolin]

My previous testing has shown mixed results. Plan on trying to go a little bit more in-depth this weekend though. If anyone else has any solid testing evidence other than from Sakuragi's guide lemme know.

[Vexenu]

Definitely odd that a 400pp Scorpikis claw would outperform a 40k RMoY for overall threat generation, even with a much inferior ratio. It seems plausible though, given how much threat the poison procs from the BotBDE and Trochilic's Skean generate. Apparently if you really want to piss off a mob, just poison it. I mean, if this data is accurate then a 400pp poison proccing 8/25 weapon is just a hair under the threat generated by the 14/24 epic, which is valued at what, 500k? Pretty nuts.

Has any actually used dual Scorpikis Claws to test this?

[Sylexis]

Btw where are you getting the hate levels for the procs?

Edit: I get where the raw hate of the war epic comes from, and I also get where the averaged stun amount comes from, but where does the poison hate generation calculation come from?

[williestargell]

You're assuming that all those weapons proc twice per minute?

What is the basis for that assumption that different weapons all have the same proc rate?

[Frieza_Prexus]

You're assuming that all those weapons proc twice per minute?

What is the basis for that assumption that different weapons all have the same proc rate?

A recent patch eliminated proc mods. All proc rates now share the same standard.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135889

[Yaolin]

A few of the weapons have poison counters as procs..... 250 hate per counter.... still needs to be worked out, but that is why the BotBDE is so ubar. I have to get my hands on a Skorp Impaler to see how many counters it has. This spreadsheet is just a jumping off point.

[khanable]

I was using the claw in sky. Felt like using the botbde.

Definitely need to parse that soon. i was snapping aggro off a 60 epic war pretty easy.

[Yaolin]

For serious?

[khanable]

Yep

4serious

note: I didn't pay attention to his procs, just mine
Could very well just be I snapped aggro from him despite him not having had a proc yet or something.

So I don't think it's totally indicative of the amount of hate being generated.

Definitely still worth a parse to find out, though!

[khanable]

Btw where are you getting the hate levels for the procs?

Edit: I get where the raw hate of the war epic comes from, and I also get where the averaged stun amount comes from, but where does the poison hate generation calculation come from?

We know how much hate is generated each swing, so we can fight something solo until we get a proc (use shield or something in offhand), then stop and turn our back to the mob (to avoid ripostes).

Then we have someone else melee it until it turns to them. Calculate their hate generated based on their swings.

Then find the difference.

[Yaolin]

yup, HOPEFULLY gonna find some time this weekend to iron out some of the odd procs.

[Rkelly]

Was anyone able to test out the Scorpikis Claw this weekend?

[Yaolin]

Used it a lot this weekend and was able to confirm it is 3 Poison counters. It had very good aggro in my KC group when tanking again 3 monks. Still need to do some guard testing.

[Soandso]

So I should put down my ykesha scimitar and use the claw with my skean then? Also, thanks for letting me know that the skean with scimitar is better than the scimitar and sarnak warhammer. I've been thinking I should be using the sarnak hammer instead of the skean cuz it had a better ratio.

[baalzy]

So I should put down my ykesha scimitar and use the claw with my skean then? Also, thanks for letting me know that the skean with scimitar is better than the scimitar and sarnak warhammer. I've been thinking I should be using the sarnak hammer instead of the skean cuz it had a better ratio.

You don't have to have the absolute highest hate generation possible, especially in xp groups, you just need enough hate generation to ensure you're the person getting hit. The hammer will help kill mobs faster and generate better non-proc aggro than the skean, so unless you're playing with people who are out-aggroing the proc on your hammer (but can't out aggro the skean), use the hammer.

[Psionide]

Cool thanks appreciate the info.