Bonus EXP!

[Tzeriel]

I know we're not Live, but I think it would still be fitting for P1999 to celebrate EQ's 15th anniversary. Maybe double exp this weekend/week?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Prepare Uranus

[Tzeriel]

My body is ready.

[Swish]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/iU8395XCj6ltC/giphy.gif

Wouldn't say no to a lil help leveling my iksar SK... in the spirit of the 15th anniversary ofc ;)

[krilla]

Hey guys, I pooped today...
..bonus xp weekend?

[Swish]

Hey guys, I pooped today...
..bonus xp weekend?

http://media.giphy.com/media/7LAqMVFxOGPAc/giphy.gif

[Daldaen]

I dunno. 15 years of an MMO being online is pretty impressive. I don't know you, but I'm going to wager a guess that your bowel movements aren't nearly as time consuming or awe inspiring as EQs 15 years.

[krilla]

If anything, I'm making the case for bonus XP even stronger than before.

[baalzy]

Gemstone 3 (now Gemstone 4) is still up and running and its a pay to play MUD. It launched in 1988.

[Strifer]

Bonus XP pls.

[archy]

Bonus exp sounds good to me.

[Erica]

Bonus XP pls.

[Lyrith]

Oh I would love bonus EXP, Notice for this would be great as I just posted a thread about trying to find out when to use Vacation time! =D

[-Catherin-]

if you really want to celebrate classic EQ then there should be a week of an exp penalty instead :p

[Danth]

Heck I have a Paladin and a Shadow Knight. Every week has an experience penalty.

Danth

[Swish]

if you really want to celebrate classic EQ then there should be a week of an exp penalty instead :p

You wanna offload some of that cleric MQ plat yet Catherin? :p

http://media.giphy.com/media/TKUottzLkuxAk/giphy.gif

[Ajkuhuun]

Unreliable endorses this...Some of us might even log in for it!

[Tzeriel]

Bump this shit!

[khanable]

if you really want to celebrate classic EQ then there should be a week of an exp penalty instead :p

[Haynar]

If p99 did a double bonus for EQ anniversary, I would probably play too. I just got through patching eqlive and will probably pay for all 3 accounts and play in the world of the fabled. Lots of anniversary quests I never did. I love to 3 box. I am thinking might just use the free 85 to make a wiz. Always wanted to do sk, wiz, brd + 3 mercs.

H

[Laledorie]

Bring on the anniversary bonus XP! =D

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Two weeks bonus xp. Then wipe it clean.

[Dragr]

Chop 'er down Newt.

[veejur]

Yes Yes Yes! Bonus Majoris!

[Arterian]

Bonus!

[Vidar]

Gemstone 3 (now Gemstone 4) is still up and running and its a pay to play MUD. It launched in 1988.

not an mmo

[Altair]

Could bring back the CLASSIC stareing at spell book while medding for a few days, ppl would love that.

Bonus Exp good idea too;)

[Haynar]

Could bring back the CLASSIC stareing at spell book while medding
O_o
Thats what I can work on coding. Yeah.

[Gaffin 7.0]

i have a 100 war with 7k aa on fv and test, down to play if any on ethier of those

[Cecily]

How about we do a double Station Cash weekend instead?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Xp bonus will:

Bring in hordes of powerlevelers.
Contest and already-contested landscape.
Create a new glut of fresh-60's many of whom will suck as they were likely power levelled.

It's nice to see that bar move but this game doesn't need any more bonuses.

[myriverse]

No reason to rush into that brick wall. It'll still be there when Winter comes.

[Daldaen]

Create a new glut of fresh-60's many of whom will suck as they were likely power levelled.

Really... No.

You don't need much time playing at 60 to stop "sucking". This really shouldn't be a concern at all. After a 3-4 hour grind group at 60, as compared to your pre-PLed 50, you should figure out your new discs or spells. Not too many are game changing and if they are it isn't that much of a adaptation. Torpor probably being chief among them.

I always hated the argument that PLed people will be bad players. Especially pre-AAs where the game is extremely simplistic.

[fadetree]

not an mmo

Gemstone not an MMO? yes it is. A thousand people playing a game online together in the same world = MMO. Yknow, like P99.

[skipdog]

It's nice to see that bar move but this game doesn't need any more bonuses.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Really... No.

You don't need much time playing at 60 to stop "sucking". This really shouldn't be a concern at all. After a 3-4 hour grind group at 60, as compared to your pre-PLed 50, you should figure out your new discs or spells. Not too many are game changing and if they are it isn't that much of a adaptation. Torpor probably being chief among them.

I always hated the argument that PLed people will be bad players. Especially pre-AAs where the game is extremely simplistic.

You're assuming lots from other players but, ymmv.

[Twainz]

If you guys don't want an exp bonus then Red99 will take it for you. Grant 200% exp on red for 2 weeks and let people try Red99 :D.

[Laugher]

Xp bonus will:

Bring in hordes of powerlevelers.
Contest and already-contested landscape.
Create a new glut of fresh-60's many of whom will suck as they were likely power levelled.

It's nice to see that bar move but this game doesn't need any more bonuses.

You may not be able to tell, but this is me sitting in MM :p

http://i.imgur.com/QGOghzys.png

[Lamil]

Gemstone 3 (now Gemstone 4) is still up and running and its a pay to play MUD. It launched in 1988.

I played the shit outta that game back in the day. I had no idea it was still up and running. Didn't AOL or someone take it over?

[Champion_Standing]

http://media.giphy.com/media/CjjzsRZKl9Ci4/giphy.gif

FREE EXP FOR EVERYONE!!!

[Yonkec]

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/thefly4.gif

[fadetree]

I played the shit outta that game back in the day. I had no idea it was still up and running. Didn't AOL or someone take it over?

They went private, the company is called Simutronics. I played it so much back in the day I ran up a 600$ bill (!). Its still going pretty strong, as a text game it is oddly compelling.

[Kesrin]

Gemstone 3 (now Gemstone 4) is still up and running and its a pay to play MUD. It launched in 1988.

So is dragonrealms, most time consuming games in history

[Swifty]

Chardok AE mafia lobbying for a way to raise prices and make even more $$$4,

[Swish]

Well it came and went. Didn't hurt to ask :p

[Vidar]

Gemstone not an MMO? yes it is. A thousand people playing a game online together in the same world = MMO. Yknow, like P99.

No, its not an MMO. There is a defference between EQ and a MUD. Should there be a better classification? Yes. BUt saying that a MUD and eq or wow or whatever is the same type of game...Not true.

[Vile]

lol

[Ménage à trois]

No, its not an MMO. There is a defference between EQ and a MUD. Should there be a better classification? Yes. BUt saying that a MUD and eq or wow or whatever is the same type of game...Not true.

It (Gemstone 4) is definitely an MMO.

[Fett]

No, its not an MMO. There is a defference between EQ and a MUD. Should there be a better classification? Yes. BUt saying that a MUD and eq or wow or whatever is the same type of game...Not true.

MMO stands for massively multiplier online.

If a thousand people are playing an online game together, it's certainly a MMO. There are MMORPGs like EQ, WoW, and even MUDs. There are MMOFPSs like Planetside.

No one said they are the same exact type of game, but they are by definition all MMOs.

[JPMorgan]

No, its not an MMO. There is a defference between EQ and a MUD. Should there be a better classification? Yes. BUt saying that a MUD and eq or wow or whatever is the same type of game...Not true.

EQ is just a mud with a visual component.

[Vile]

EQ is just a mud with a visual component.

isn't every game?

[Lamil]

Now I'm going to go look for Gemstone3.

[Vidar]

It (Gemstone 4) is definitely an MMO.

No its not. EQ is an MMO. Diablo isnt an MMO. MUDs aren't MMOs. They are different types of games. Just because a game is online doesn't make it an MMO.

[Fett]

No its not. EQ is an MMO. Diablo isnt an MMO. MUDs aren't MMOs. They are different types of games. Just because a game is online doesn't make it an MMO.

Diablo isn't an MMO because there isn't a persistent world nor is there a large amount of concurrent connected users to said world.

Gemstone may be on the edge. Is it a persistent world, with a large amount of concurrent users? I would say it classifies as a MMO then.

[myriverse]

EQ is just a mud with a visual component.
isn't every game?
No.

[Vidar]

Diablo isn't an MMO because there isn't a persistent world nor is there a large amount of concurrent connected users to said world.

Gemstone may be on the edge. Is it a persistent world, with a large amount of concurrent users? I would say it classifies as a MMO then.

The Designers of EQ Disagree. A MUD is a MUD. EQ and UO and DAoC and Asherons call Etc etc etc are classified as MMO's.

[Fett]

The Designers of EQ Disagree. A MUD is a MUD. EQ and UO and DAoC and Asherons call Etc etc etc are classified as MMO's.

If you have a link or such referencing a dev journal that shows what the EQ designers thought, I would like to see it. Personally, however the EQ designers word is not gospel.

MUD is an old term. The term MMO hadn't even come into use at the time MUD was being used. All we have to do is use a little logic in this siutation though. What makes a MMO comes down to two simple things.


A persistent world. Even if everyone logs off, the world continues to exists, and does not reset.
A large amount of concurrent users. This is of course a little more grey, because what is a "large amount"?


MUD's usually fall into category 1, as the worlds are usually persistent and do not reset. If Gemstone 4 (or other MUDs) can host hundreds, if not a thousand users at the same time I'd say it easily falls into category 2.

MMO is certainly a newer term than MUD, but there's no reason that older games don't meet the definition for the word.

[Vidar]

If you have a link or such referencing a dev journal that shows what the EQ designers thought, I would like to see it. Personally, however the EQ designers word is not gospel.

MUD is an old term. The term MMO hadn't even come into use at the time MUD was being used. All we have to do is use a little logic in this siutation though. What makes a MMO comes down to two simple things.


A persistent world. Even if everyone logs off, the world continues to exists, and does not reset.
A large amount of concurrent users. This is of course a little more grey, because what is a "large amount"?


MUD's usually fall into category 1, as the worlds are usually persistent and do not reset. If Gemstone 4 (or other MUDs) can host hundreds, if not a thousand users at the same time I'd say it easily falls into category 2.

MMO is certainly a newer term than MUD, but there's no reason that older games don't meet the definition for the word.

Well, if a MUD is an MMO so is Diablo. No the world isn't persistent like in eq or UO but then again what happens when you log out and back in...its the same world with the same mobs. You kill a mob in eq it pops up again. The world refreshes itself in both games just in a different way.

And this is why i say MUDs are MUDs and MMO's are MMO's. If you start saying MUDs are mmos then Sims online becomes an MMO. And we havent even got into FPS and RTS games.

MMO by definition would encompass a lot more than just eq style games. But its a classification...like MUD, FPS, RTS, RPG, ARPG. Is it wrong? I would say yes. But as of right now we have no other term to classify EQ and WoW etc. so they stay MMO's while other games stay MUDs or RPGs etc.

[Fett]

Well, if a MUD is an MMO so is Diablo. No the world isn't persistent like in eq or UO but then again what happens when you log out and back in...its the same world with the same mobs. You kill a mob in eq it pops up again. The world refreshes itself in both games just in a different way.


Diablo is absolutely not a MMO because it does not meet the first item. The world has to be persistent for the term MMO to apply. Even if it was persistent, only a small amount of users can be connected at one time.

And this is why i say MUDs are MUDs and MMO's are MMO's. If you start saying MUDs are mmos then Sims online becomes an MMO. And we haven't even got into FPS and RTS games.

Does the Sim's online have a persistent world that doesn't reset? Does it host a large amount of concurrent users? Then YES it is a MMO. You aren't understanding what the term means. MMO does not equal graphical online RPGs like EQ, it means a persistent world, with a large amount of concurrent users, period. The term came into use more recently than MUDs, which is why it applies to a larger cross section of games.

MMO by definition would encompass a lot more than just eq style games. But its a classification...like MUD, FPS, RTS, RPG, ARPG. Is it wrong? I would say yes. But as of right now we have no other term to classify EQ and WoW etc. so they stay MMO's while other games stay MUDs or RPGs etc.

Now you are getting it. MMO doesn't apply to a specific genre of games. It's an umbrella term, that any genre can fall under if it follows the two rules I mentioned.

[Vile]

No.

if you think about it... any game could be turned into text format no?

all games are is logic..

[fadetree]

No, its not an MMO. There is a defference between EQ and a MUD. Should there be a better classification? Yes. BUt saying that a MUD and eq or wow or whatever is the same type of game...Not true.

I didn't say the are the same type of game. I said they fall under the same classification of MMO...which they do.

[Vidar]

Diablo is absolutely not a MMO because it does not meet the first item. The world has to be persistent for the term MMO to apply. Even if it was persistent, only a small amount of users can be connected at one time.



Does the Sim's online have a persistent world that doesn't reset? Does it host a large amount of concurrent users? Then YES it is a MMO. You aren't understanding what the term means. MMO does not equal graphical online RPGs like EQ, it means a persistent world, with a large amount of concurrent users, period. The term came into use more recently than MUDs, which is why it applies to a larger cross section of games.



Now you are getting it. MMO doesn't apply to a specific genre of games. It's an umbrella term, that any genre can fall under if it follows the two rules I mentioned.

You have completely missed the point. MUDs and EQ arent the same type of game. a MUD is a MUD. Eq is a.....? MMO is the only term we have for the type of game EQ is. People incorrectly use the term to classify eq. If you ask anyone what type of game EQ or WoW is they will say MMO. Regardless of how it SHOULD be used it IS used to classify games. Therefore using MMO to refer to a MUD is not right. It may be correct but its not right. And i dont give a flying rats ass if you want to call a MUD an MMO as long as we have a different term for EQ UO WoW etc.

[deezy]

And we havent even got into FPS and RTS games.The FPS series Planetside is also an MMO.

[Fett]

You have completely missed the point. MUDs and EQ arent the same type of game. a MUD is a MUD. Eq is a.....? MMO is the only term we have for the type of game EQ is. People incorrectly use the term to classify eq. If you ask anyone what type of game EQ or WoW is they will say MMO. Regardless of how it SHOULD be used it IS used to classify games. Therefore using MMO to refer to a MUD is not right. It may be correct but its not right. And i dont give a flying rats ass if you want to call a MUD an MMO as long as we have a different term for EQ UO WoW etc.

You're looking at this the wrong way. Let's try another example.

Apples, oranges, and pears, are all fruits. Apples are not oranges, and oranges are not pears, and pears are not apples, but they are still all fruit.

EQ is a graphical RPG, MUDs are text RPGs. Planetside is a FPS. They are all still MMOs. MMO is not a specific genre. FPS is a genre. RPG is a genre.

[Vidar]

You're looking at this the wrong way. Let's try another example.

Apples, oranges, and pears, are all fruits. Apples are not oranges, and oranges are not pears, and pears are not apples, but they are still all fruit.

EQ is a graphical RPG, MUDs are text RPGs. Planetside is a FPS. They are all still MMOs.

What part of 'People use the term MMO to classify games like EQ and WoW' did you not get?

[fadetree]

Vidar, you are just wrong dude. MMO doesn't mean what you think it does.

From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game ) :

Commercial MMORPGs gained acceptance in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The genre was pioneered by the GemStone series on GEnie, also created by Kesmai, and Neverwinter Nights, the first such game to include graphics, which debuted on AOL in 1991.

Note that the MMORPG term is a subclass of MMO, and it includes both graphical and non-graphical. MMO means :
Massively - lots of people
Multiplayer - multiple people in the same persistent world
Online - its an internet game.

Anything that has those attributes is an MMO. EQ is a Graphical MMO. Gemstone is a text MMO. They are both MMORPGs ( MMO Role Playing Games ). Counterstrike or whatever is a MMOFPS.

Incidentally, that entry is wrong about the first graphical, it was not Neverwinter Nights but Meridian 59.


I'm not going to post any more about it, though, so we'll just have to disagree I guess. It's not very important anyway.

[Fett]

Incidentally, that entry is wrong about the first graphical, it was not Neverwinter Nights but Meridian 59.


Meridian 59 was the only early graphical MMORPG I never played, was the before The Realm? I remember playing the crap out of The Realm long before UO was around, I can't recall if it came out before or after Meridian 59 though.

[Gaffin 7.0]

why is this a thread about if a game is a mmo ? lulz

[Danth]

Incidentally, that entry is wrong about the first graphical, it was not Neverwinter Nights but Meridian 59.

EDIT: The entry you quote probably refers to the Neverwinter Nights that was available over AOL circa 1991, not the later game of the same name. (End Edit)

If you don't restrict yourself to role-playing games, then you have graphical/realtime MMOG's from fall 1987 onwards with "Air Warrior" on GENIE. Yes, 1987, with an "8." Some players on P1999 weren't born yet.

Of course there are those genre-newbies who equate "MMOG" only to Ultima Online, Everquest, and their many derivatives. They're wrong of course, but nobody likes admitting they're wrong, especially not on the internet. I prefer a slightly different definition of Massively Multiplayer Online Game than offered above in that I expect such a game to host many people per server combined with a persistent world. As such I discount a game like Counterstrike (I rate that simply as a multiplayer game), although I can see why some folks might include it under a looser definition.

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Thread changed its subject because that's what discussion does. Historic online games seems a more interesting subject than bonus experience anyway.

For what it's worth, Everquest isn't much more than a MUD with a graphics engine pasted on top.

Danth

[veejur]

Um - thread hijack?

[radditsu]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DikuMUD


Eq done stole my mud.

[Vidar]

#1 im not wrong. I know exactly what MMO means.
#2 I have said something in several posts and all of you have missed it. I cant make you open your eyes and read it correctly. You need to read and understand what IS being said and not what you THINK is being said.
#3 You guys should go to the Hell levels myth thread. You would all get along with the OP very well.

[Red_Psyphon]

Vid don't be mad your text game is still generalized as an MMO because that's what is

[deezy]

I know exactly what MMO means.
That's questionable.

[fadetree]

Meridian 59 was the only early graphical MMORPG I never played, was the before The Realm? I remember playing the crap out of The Realm long before UO was around, I can't recall if it came out before or after Meridian 59 though.

I played Meridian, it was awful and more or less a slide show on my comp at the time. Believe it or not, its still up! http://www.meridian59.com/

Whether it predated the realm or not I really can't say, but I am pretty sure it predated NWN, and I did mean the AOL one.

EDIT: The entry you quote probably refers to the Neverwinter Nights that was available over AOL circa 1991, not the later game of the same name. (End Edit)

If you don't restrict yourself to role-playing games, then you have graphical/realtime MMOG's from fall 1987 onwards with "Air Warrior" on GENIE. Yes, 1987, with an "8." Some players on P1999 weren't born yet.

Danth

Heh yeah, I remember hearing about air warrior, although I never played it. The timelines I was referring to were specifically about RPG's tho.


AND HELLS YEAH WE NEED BONUS EXP


**EDIT***

Here is a really interesting presentation about the early history of MMO's :

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/184184/Video_The_making_of_Meridian_59_the_very_first_3D_ MMORPG.php#.USTby6U4vm4

[Vidar]

Vid don't be mad your text game is still generalized as an MMO because that's what is

Not mad. Just surprised about how blind people are.

Plus, i believe your last post was aimed at someone else. you need to reread this thread.

[myriverse]

if you think about it... any game could be turned into text format no?

all games are is logic..
Not all games fit "multiuser" or "dungeon."