The Good, the aspiring Good and the Ugly

[Zoolander]

Quillmane Productions presents:
The Good, the aspiring Good and the Ugly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdOwIK6i-Hg)

[vouss]

these videos are usually terrible so just skipped through all I seen was some RD guy dying 18 vs 82

[Stalos_]

This is honestly embarrassing. There must be some red dawn, even a few Nihilum who are enabling this Zerg and get a little sick.

[India]

I counted at least 20 Azrael :)

[freez]

I counted at least 20 Azrael :)

20v80 justified


loser lals

[Alawen]

Can someone do a fact check for me, because I'm new here.

Didn't Azrael and Red Dawn have an alliance which Azrael threw away by screwing Red Dawn?

In that video, aren't I seeing Red Dawn fighting a dragon while Nihilum plays lookout and Azrael chooses to attack?

I'm confused about the complaints.

[freez]

yeah ill fact check for ya


your facts are ass backwards, youre an idiot etc


bye

[heartbrand]

yeah ill fact check for ya


your facts are ass backwards, youre an idiot etc


bye

Care to correct us then with the real facts? Real interested considering you don't play here and certainly didn't play here while it happened. Valuing your opinion on this matter greatly.

[Sheriff]

Pras dragon lewts and the pvps!

[quido]

Azrael didn't screw Red Dawn - they chose pixels over the righteous path. Red Dawn accused Azrael of coming to kill them in Fear, but in fact they were coming to share it and Heartbrand seized the opportunity as an excuse to betray the alliance and get on Nihilum's tit.

I'd have a lot more respect for Red Dawn if they could admit it's just about the pixels and not any after-the-fact morality or whatever the hell. The blatant fact of the matter is Red Dawn is being used to keep the server monopolized. And that's the story of red99 - a bunch of scrubs with weak constitutions taking the short-sighted easy road.

This shit could have actually been fun if you guys weren't such fucking pussies.

[Zoolander]

red dawn helps new players with basic gear and powerlevels, they have my sympathy for that. i still pvp them whenever i feel like ;)

[Terpuntine]

This is an MMO its always just about the pixels. Gotta feed your children if you want the family to survive. Just a matter of time before azrael members get so hungry they will be willing to drop to their knees and let the duke and emp blast them in the face like a Jackson Pollock.

[Vamael]

Azrael didn't screw Red Dawn - they chose pixels over the righteous path. Red Dawn accused Azrael of coming to kill them in Fear, but in fact they were coming to share it and Heartbrand seized the opportunity as an excuse to betray the alliance and get on Nihilum's tit.

I'd have a lot more respect for Red Dawn if they could admit it's just about the pixels and not any after-the-fact morality or whatever the hell. The blatant fact of the matter is Red Dawn is being used to keep the server monopolized. And that's the story of red99 - a bunch of scrubs with weak constitutions taking the short-sighted easy road.

This shit could have actually been fun if you guys weren't such fucking pussies.

hey I remember it more being like Lite and his crew weren't happy with with how Red dawn was dkp based, and lite didn't like being in charge, and no one in red dawn wanted to have andis, and lite in charge running shit, or telling who can have what loot. I also recall nihilum being like umm shut down lite, not azrael. Its not our fault you chose to follow him. This is more personal than it is about getting pixels from nihilum. This is about cockblocking 1 specific person. Ditch lite join us, pvp nihilum. Everyone wants to see azrael shut down, and not see lite run shit no matter the cost.

[Vamael]

lite didn't like being in charge.

lite didn't like not being in charge***

[Vamael]

Red dawn has probably the fairest loot system so far, no cliques, no loot council. Its about the guild and not the clique. Everyone has a fair shot.

[Vamael]

no its just about the azrael people not following lite, and once azrael is shut down, there is no way in hell nihilum will be supportive.

[Vamael]

Its not about competing, its about politics of leadership. Kicking out the president.

[Vamael]

Azrael only reformed because they weren't happy with how pixels were being handled.

[Pitborn]

2/10

Blue as fuck.

[quido]

Who leads our guild is important enough an issue for you that you use it as an excuse to take the easy dick-sucking road?

Transparent bullshit

[Gaffin 7.0]

yeah i was really hoping it was gonna be 3 guilds now its 1v2

[quido]

Losing a couple mobs a week in some good mostly-fair fights terrifies Nihilum to the point of giving away kills to an inferior force. It is far better to control all the pixels than just most!!

[heartbrand]

sick of rehashing this argument time and time again. we chose the path that will best enable our guild to compete long term in Velious. I'm sorry to those who disagree with that assessment, and wish you the best of luck with your decisions. We tried to contest together for many months, but the majority of Azrael had no interest in logging in / no interest in attending planar raids to help gear our new members / no interest in assisting building the guild etc. We lost many members due to our decision to play with Azrael, putting our guild on the line, and you guys burned us. We now have gone our own way, just like you guys went yours. Red Dawn has one goal and focus in mind, end game Velious. Sorry to anyone offended or upset about that.

[Stalos_]

sick of rehashing this argument time and time again. we chose the path that will best enable our guild to compete long term in Velious. I'm sorry to those who disagree with that assessment, and wish you the best of luck with your decisions. We tried to contest together for many months, but the majority of Azrael had no interest in logging in / no interest in attending planar raids to help gear our new members / no interest in assisting building the guild etc. We lost many members due to our decision to play with Azrael, putting our guild on the line, and you guys burned us. We now have gone our own way, just like you guys went yours. Red Dawn has one goal and focus in mind, end game Velious. Sorry to anyone offended or upset about that.

Pawn

[quido]

Blah blah blah "it's best for us" - no shit, Heartbrand, we know it is for now. Your members have said to me "we're new, we don't have much - we're happy with scraps," and your members' short-term avarice is directly contributing to making this place a stupid fight against a zerg instead of some fun pvp and pve.

Maybe you're happy to not really do things for yourselves here, but some of us aren't.

Azrael is the only guild that wants good, mostly-fair fights. The zerg just wants to overwhelm with as little resistance as possible.

It's pathetic.

Avarice.

[heartbrand]

Blah blah blah "it's best for us" - no shit, Heartbrand, we know it is for now. Your members have said to me "we're new, we don't have much - we're happy with scraps," and your members' short-term avarice is directly contributing to making this place a stupid fight against a zerg instead of some fun pvp and pve.

Maybe you're happy to not really do things for yourselves here, but some of us aren't.

Azrael is the only guild that wants good, mostly-fair fights. The zerg just wants to overwhelm with as little resistance as possible.

It's pathetic.

Avarice.

Again, I was building to contest for months. You wouldn't log on. Now suddenly you're on every Sunday. Cool story.

[quido]

I'm on all the time a small amount. Don't blame your weakness and greed on me, TopHebrew. I'm around like I always have been - if the pops were at 6am again I wouldn't be there.

All I'm hearing are pathetic transparent excuses for taking the easiest dick-sucking road possible.

[heartbrand]

#VideoGame #NotReal #ElfSim #Umad #Duke&Emp

[quido]

So being a dick-sucking pushover weakling is in no way reflected in your real life? I doubt it.

[Mac Dretti]

#VideoGame #NotReal #ElfSim #Umad #Duke&Emp

nice

[heartbrand]

saw relapsed online just now but didnt seem like real relapsed?

[Sektor]

Azrael didn't screw Red Dawn - they chose pixels over the righteous path. Red Dawn accused Azrael of coming to kill them in Fear, but in fact they were coming to share it and Heartbrand seized the opportunity as an excuse to betray the alliance and get on Nihilum's tit.

I'd have a lot more respect for Red Dawn if they could admit it's just about the pixels and not any after-the-fact morality or whatever the hell. The blatant fact of the matter is Red Dawn is being used to keep the server monopolized. And that's the story of red99 - a bunch of scrubs with weak constitutions taking the short-sighted easy road.

This shit could have actually been fun if you guys weren't such fucking pussies.



ROFL GOOD ONE !

[quido]

Hey look who decided to drop in - the guy who's spent thousands of real dollars to get ahead in this game (and is still mediocre at pvp).

[quido]

Could we ask for any more prime an example of a pathetic weakling on red?

[heartbrand]

Have it on good authority relapsed will be paying the electric bill this month if u no wut i mean

[quido]

good 1 moran

[quido]

Still chuckling remembering Sirken's stream and the time nilbog called Nihilum a bunch of pussies. Quote.

[iiNGloriouS]

hey I remember it more being like Lite and his crew weren't happy with with how Red dawn was dkp based

Considering Azrael members had the highest DKP in all of RD besides RD itself... Yea makes sense.

[Faerie]

Lol this was great. Grats to RD! :)

[Mac Dretti]

its funny when someone from blue talking about red

just over here yuckin it up

[heartbrand]

No one has ever tried my model for a raiding guild on red99 before. we've had seventy different iterations of the "we really fucking hate nihilum guild" and they have all fizzled out and failed. Therefore, I appreciate the words of advice and wisdom from team "we really fucking hate nihilum guild" version 71, but I think red dawn will let this one play out

[quido]

Is it possible to not hate Nihilum while not sucking their dicks in servitude?

[iiNGloriouS]

Theirs RMT in both leaderships. Thats classy.

[iiNGloriouS]

there* im a tard

[heartbrand]

Is it possible to not hate Nihilum while not sucking their dicks in servitude?

So what is your recommend course of action? After azrael left our guild, we were left depleted, having lost many of the new blood we fostered to nihilum due to our alliance and merge with az. You would have us basically be neutral non factors, slowly bleeding members to Nihilum and Azrael as we do a couple of weekly planar clears. Instead, I have positioned my guild to compete for end game velious mobs. I worked hard to bring azrael and red dawn together, to provide the pve structure and new blood to the azrael crew that had been sorely lacking. I laid the foundation for a system that we could build upon and compete Nihilum not just in Kunark, but in velious. Instead, the short sighted leader of yours and his close elf sim advisor Salem, decided velious was too far off and distant to worry about planning around.

I attempted everything with lite and powered including reforming under a new tag etc. However, there were zero concessions, just the repeated preaching about a three guild server. I hate to be the one to break this to you but this will never be a three guild server. Velious will require 50+ people to kill mobs. Guilds unable to slay dragons will bleed members to guilds that can. I didn't put the time and effort into red dawn to see my guild die. No one in azrael seems to comprehend velious.

Sorry pal.

[quido]

You're so full of shit, Heartbrand, you can't even recognize the smell of it anymore.

[heartbrand]

So what part of my post exactly are you rebutting? It's easy to drop one liners, but it certainly isn't the intellectually honest way if your intentions are truly noble.

[Colgate]

hb do you honestly think you're going to "compete" with nihilum in velious?

serious question

[heartbrand]

hb do you honestly think you're going to "compete" with nihilum in velious?

serious question

Honest answer? Not sure. Depends on many variables, such as what becomes of the xp bonus, are the rumored blue transfers occurring, how many people will return for velious, etc. To me though, contesting doesn't mean griefing Nihilum off the server, it means fighting over raid mobs in a fun and respectable manner. I can guarantee you this though, we are in a far better position to do that now than we would be as a neutral third feeder guild.

[Faerie]

Enemy guilds rezzing each other after a clear winner of the right to a raid target has been determined sounds like paradise to me. We can play nice even if we kill one another imo.

[quido]

Heartbrand, it basically came down to your ego - the fact that people left your tag for another they liked more, despite the fact that everyone remained united in cause. The stuff you fed everyone about needing a single guildchat is cockamamie bullshit - that bridge could have been crossed when the need arose (in Velious).

The alliance could have been handled amicably and productively, but you raged out and didn't give it a chance. You're the one who betrayed the alliance, because you wanted everyone under YOUR tag. Rather than try to work things out (you say you did, I say you're a weakling if that's your best effort) you take the easiest (and most pathetic) road out. You may call it a victory, but I call it a hollow victory; you and yours will eventually tire of the scraps you are receiving. You could have had so much more (and this place could be consistently fun), but you are too weak.

[Buhbuh]

Jeremy, you're arguing points selectively.

Azrael disbanded from RD. We already had the chance to do something you call moralistic or righteous. We already were fighting Nihilum.

Azrael players wouldn't move without the go ahead from Lite. I really could care less if you all quit.

If you can't play this game under any other leadership - especially when your guild lacks numbers and NEEDS alliances - you're worthless.

I really don't see how you guys imagined that situation differently. Lite and his boys literally said nothing to anybody about fracturing off from RD. You did it like snakes.

And now you want to still be friends after trying to take our members?

You act like Azrael reforming should have changed nothing between us. I really don't get that. You blindsided us and recruited from our player base WHILE trying to ally with us? And then what? Take mobs under a non DKP system, or a freshly wiped DKP system? Or just to take first dibs on mobs?

You act like Lite has 0 ulterior motive there, and yet we geared the fuck out of your players over the course of a few months. Whether or not that loot was earned, you guys left for Azrael to accumulate more/ because Lite has the ego the size of a planet and thinks he can lead better.

The alliance was already in place. Half (or more) of the members who left for Azrael didn't even want to split off in the first place.

The fact that Salem and Lite had enough influence on you cowards to ignore your spine and join Azrael with the alliance already built, and then come at us on the boards and call us spineless is fucking astonishing, bro.

Now that you know how we feel, I can lay it out for you pals. I'm glad you're all bored and on the verge of quitting. I hope you find the courage to do so. You've proven to us in technicolor that you're incapable of being under any other guild tag, and you've done it in the shittiest, most cowardly way possible.

I like a three guild server. I really do. But I also happen to dislike one of those guilds a great deal and don't want them to have any of the raid mobs because of the shitty things they're all responsible for (and should be responsible for).

You guys can continue logging in and run this thing to its logical conclusions. We have no interest in Azrael as of right now. A lot of you are good people, helpful players, good PvPers. But right now, it's just not going to happen. The opposite is, in fact, as you've witnessed.

I know it's difficult for you to understand why we aren't bothered when you say "18vs 82 omg faggots." Frankly, it's because none of us care. The initial cowardly things you did to Red Dawn usurp any hatred/ appeal to morality you can possibly throw at us. The fact that Brobb or Jibeknn don't see or care about the shitty way that Azrael bolted is hilarious. They honestly just lack imagination (or maybe just have too much of it). The reason we're doing this far simpler than you or they think. We don't like you.

But good luck.

[quido]

Basically, Heartbrand, you're just too big of a pussy to actually try and contest a real guild, whatever guild that is (not yours).

[quido]

That was always the deal - Red Dawn tag was a temporary thing and everyone knew that going into it. I'm sorry you wanted to change the terms after the fact.

[Sektor]

Heartbrand, it basically came down to your ego - the fact that people left your tag for another they liked more, despite the fact that everyone remained united in cause. The stuff you fed everyone about needing a single guildchat is cockamamie bullshit - that bridge could have been crossed when the need arose (in Velious).

The alliance could have been handled amicably and productively, but you raged out and didn't give it a chance. You're the one who betrayed the alliance, because you wanted everyone under YOUR tag. Rather than try to work things out (you say you did, I say you're a weakling if that's your best effort) you take the easiest (and most pathetic) road out. You may call it a victory, but I call it a hollow victory; you and yours will eventually tire of the scraps you are receiving. You could have had so much more (and this place could be consistently fun), but you are too weak.


You sound mad, enjoy being on top on Blue, let the adults stick with the real eq servers.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Jeremy Irons The Mystic / Bruce Lee / Redonk Ulysses / Beavis Christ / Malcolm Excon / Gangstalicious Thugnificent / Blow Hard / Garey <The Mystical Order>

[Sektor]

Jeremy Irons The Mystic / Bruce Lee / Redonk Ulysses / Beavis Christ / Malcolm Excon / Gangstalicious Thugnificent / Blow Hard / Garey <The Mystical Order>

[quido]

You sound mad, enjoy being on top on Blue, let the adults stick with the real eq servers.

I just think you guys are pathetic and am calling it like I see it. Sektor, you are among the most pathetic and deserve your fate of being relegated to the kids' table. I came to red looking for fun PvP, not to dominate another server, otherwise I would put more time in.

My qualm is not that you win - it's that you make this server stupid as fuck

[Azure]

Mitic fine upstanding player. Shows that he cares bout server by making good music videos of people getting along on a pvp server.

[marie]

To me though, contesting doesn't mean griefing Nihilum off the server, it means fighting over raid mobs in a fun and respectable manner. I can guarantee you this though, we are in a far better position to do that now than we would be as a neutral third feeder guild.

18v82

it means fighting over raid mobs in a fun and respectable manner.

18v82

it means fighting over raid mobs in a fun and respectable manner.

18.....














































vs82

[quido]

You'll never hear me complain about losing a good fight.

But you don't want any good fights. You guys always just want an easy gangbang. The path of least resistance appeals to moron weaklings.

[Buhbuh]

Heartbrand, it basically came down to your ego - the fact that people left your tag for another they liked more, despite the fact that everyone remained united in cause. The stuff you fed everyone about needing a single guildchat is cockamamie bullshit - that bridge could have been crossed when the need arose (in Velious).

The alliance could have been handled amicably and productively, but you raged out and didn't give it a chance. You're the one who betrayed the alliance, because you wanted everyone under YOUR tag. Rather than try to work things out (you say you did, I say you're a weakling if that's your best effort) you take the easiest (and most pathetic) road out. You may call it a victory, but I call it a hollow victory; you and yours will eventually tire of the scraps you are receiving. You could have had so much more (and this place could be consistently fun), but you are too weak.

I don't think I could have convinced even 20% of Red Dawn after Azrael left to continue playing nice with Lite at the helm of an alliance between RD/ Azrael. They were already turned off by him. So no, it wouldn't have worked.

It still wouldn't. If we flipped today, we'd lose 20 to Nihilum (that's without Nizzar even offering packages) guaranteed.

[quido]

Jesus christ, that's pathetic Buhbuh. Here's what I'm hearing:

"I can't make this game interesting because it will be difficult."

[Buhbuh]

You'll never hear me complain about losing a good fight.

But you don't want any good fights. You guys always just want an easy gangbang. The path of least resistance appeals to moron weaklings.

Not really. Red Dawn has probably made the biggest gains of any guild in the past two months. I'd say given the makeup of Red Dawn (basically all non 60's) we made a great decision.

[quido]

I'm going to play the game like a sniveling weakling so big bad nizzar doesn't ruin my guild.

[quido]

Yes, everyone knows RD has the greatest room for improvement, gearwise and skillwise. You say you're looking towards the future - I say you're doing the opposite and are too dense and pixel-horny to realize it.

[Sheriff]

You'll never hear me complain about losing a good fight.

But you don't want any good fights. You guys always just want an easy gangbang. The path of least resistance appeals to moron weaklings.

Lol....mad

[Buhbuh]

I know that I personally wouldn't ally with Azrael, even if they had left on amicable terms. And there's probably a dozen that would follow suit with me.

The initial reason I joined Red Dawn is because Lite was muzzled.

[heartbrand]

Jeremy either lives in denial / isn't very intelligent / or is trolling. Either way, it's clear responding to him is pointless. We have made point after point and he just responds with meaningless non sequiturs.

[quido]

Lol....mad

You get babysat to kill the stuff Nihilum doesn't care about. You're so tough with your 80-man force.

[Buhbuh]

They talking about gains while they gotta have 40 nilly to watch their backs as they kill a mob LOLOL

grats Thresh on his epic

[quido]

You haven't really responded to my points, Heartbrand. All you've said is "we had to or we'd be destroyed."

That's bullshit.

[Imago]

Yes, everyone knows RD has the greatest room for improvement, gearwise.

So why wouldn't they do everything they could to get gear in a timely fashion?

[Sheriff]

Jeremy Irons The Mystic / Bruce Lee / Redonk Ulysses / Beavis Christ / Malcolm Excon / Gangstalicious Thugnificent / Blow Hard / Garey <The Mystical Order>

Lol

[quido]

So why wouldn't they do everything they could to get gear in a timely fashion?

Gear at all costs, I know. Some people live by it (especially $ektor).

[heartbrand]

So why wouldn't they do everything they could to get gear in a timely fashion?

Because nihilum, an elf simulator guild, is evil, and therefore we should sit back and let the big kids fight while pledging allegiance to lite or something. Not rly sure tbqh.

[quido]

Because nihilum, an elf simulator guild, is evil, and therefore we should sit back and let the big kids fight while pledging allegiance to lite or something. Not rly sure tbqh.

Because a single force has dominated this server for years, when presented with a real oppotunity to make things more interesting, let's take the easy way out and add ourselves to their zerg.

[Gaffin 7.0]

winter is comin bros

http://i58.tinypic.com/15np2bm.gif

[GrobbGangsta]

At the end of the day, no matter how much mental gymnastics you do to justify the current state if the server, the "big fight" of the weekend was 18 vs 82.

[Buhbuh]

Because a single force has dominated this server for years, when presented with a real oppotunity to make things more interesting, let's take the easy way out and add ourselves to their zerg.

yknow what actually happened?




we were civil with them, and they've reciprocated.


you should try laying off the "destroy/ dethrone nihilum or bust" mind frame. they can be nice. the fact that you've made your hatred for them and attempts to fuck them so public is probably why they don't like you and treat you so terribly.

[quido]

Oh bullshit - you're just happy to accept less than you deserve and they're happy to accept you for it.

[Sheriff]

You get babysat to kill the stuff Nihilum doesn't care about. You're so tough with your 80-man force.

Lol....mad mado

[Buhbuh]

Oh bullshit - you're just happy to accept less than you deserve and they're happy to accept you for it.

intredasting sentence.


what do i deserve?

[Sheriff]

Lol....mad mado

lol 82v18

http://puu.sh/7pfJY.jpg

Mmmmmm...... Dragon lewts and tears

[Gaffin 7.0]

dude raiding blue for 2 years no contest talkin about ez way out :eek: LOL

[marie]

rated this thread 1 star for 18v82

[Mac Dretti]

Jeremy Irons The Mystic / Bruce Lee / Redonk Ulysses / Beavis Christ / Malcolm Excon / Gangstalicious Thugnificent / Blow Hard / Garey <The Mystical Order>

[Colgate]

Because a single force has dominated this server for years, when presented with a real oppotunity to make things more interesting, let's take the easy way out and add ourselves to their zerg.

basically sums up the current situation

i guess joining your guild and then leaving with all the people you claim to have wanted to boot from the guild anyway is worse than actively destroying the server since the first month, telling you that they hope your wife dies of medical complications during childbirth, spewing antisemitic comments regarding you and your ancestors on the forums and in-game, witchhunting you as a spy/thief/hated etc. when you were actually in their guild, etc.

but yaw lite is the scum of the box L O L

[Sheriff]

Mado is Spanish for mad right? I wanted to make sure everyone understood my last post. Comprende?

[heartbrand]

basically sums up the current situation

i guess joining your guild and then leaving with all the people you claim to have wanted to boot from the guild anyway is worse than actively destroying the server since the first month, telling you that they hope your wife dies of medical complications during childbirth, spewing antisemitic comments regarding you and your ancestors on the forums and in-game, witchhunting you as a spy/thief/hated etc. when you were actually in their guild, etc.

but yaw lite is the scum of the box L O L

Pretty sure az crew has made same comments to me as well. Luckily it's just an elf sim board u no? And luckily the guild as a whole makes decisions in a democratic fashion, not on a whim by me due to who has offended me or what not.

[Colgate]

Pretty sure az crew has made same comments to me as well. Luckily it's just an elf sim board u no? And luckily the guild as a whole makes decisions in a democratic fashion, not on a whim by me due to who has offended me or what not.

funny every time i've asked you why you'd rather team up with nihilum than azrael your response was always "cuz lite is a faggot"

[Terpuntine]

You get babysat to kill the stuff Nihilum doesn't care about. You're so tough with your 80-man force.

Wait til its a 120+ man force, my dick is gonna be so hard.

[Buhbuh]

funny every time i've asked you why you'd rather team up with nihilum than azrael your response was always "cuz lite is a faggot"

we democratically came to that decision

[Alawen]

Wow, thanks for the in-depth explanations, I appreciate it!

[Gaffin 7.0]

alawen is a saint

[quido]

did u guys know that Zoolander discovered Quillmane? he's a great man

[Andis]

Azrael didn't screw Red Dawn - they chose pixels over the righteous path. Red Dawn accused Azrael of coming to kill them in Fear, but in fact they were coming to share it and Heartbrand seized the opportunity as an excuse to betray the alliance and get on Nihilum's tit.

I'd have a lot more respect for Red Dawn if they could admit it's just about the pixels and not any after-the-fact morality or whatever the hell. The blatant fact of the matter is Red Dawn is being used to keep the server monopolized. And that's the story of red99 - a bunch of scrubs with weak constitutions taking the short-sighted easy road.

This shit could have actually been fun if you guys weren't such fucking pussies.

/signed

[iiNGloriouS]

Jeremy, you're arguing points selectively.

Azrael disbanded from RD. We already had the chance to do something you call moralistic or righteous. We already were fighting Nihilum.

Azrael players wouldn't move without the go ahead from Lite. I really could care less if you all quit.

If you can't play this game under any other leadership - especially when your guild lacks numbers and NEEDS alliances - you're worthless.

I really don't see how you guys imagined that situation differently. Lite and his boys literally said nothing to anybody about fracturing off from RD. You did it like snakes.

And now you want to still be friends after trying to take our members?

You act like Azrael reforming should have changed nothing between us. I really don't get that. You blindsided us and recruited from our player base WHILE trying to ally with us? And then what? Take mobs under a non DKP system, or a freshly wiped DKP system? Or just to take first dibs on mobs?

You act like Lite has 0 ulterior motive there, and yet we geared the fuck out of your players over the course of a few months. Whether or not that loot was earned, you guys left for Azrael to accumulate more/ because Lite has the ego the size of a planet and thinks he can lead better.

The alliance was already in place. Half (or more) of the members who left for Azrael didn't even want to split off in the first place.

The fact that Salem and Lite had enough influence on you cowards to ignore your spine and join Azrael with the alliance already built, and then come at us on the boards and call us spineless is fucking astonishing, bro.

Now that you know how we feel, I can lay it out for you pals. I'm glad you're all bored and on the verge of quitting. I hope you find the courage to do so. You've proven to us in technicolor that you're incapable of being under any other guild tag, and you've done it in the shittiest, most cowardly way possible.

I like a three guild server. I really do. But I also happen to dislike one of those guilds a great deal and don't want them to have any of the raid mobs because of the shitty things they're all responsible for (and should be responsible for).

You guys can continue logging in and run this thing to its logical conclusions. We have no interest in Azrael as of right now. A lot of you are good people, helpful players, good PvPers. But right now, it's just not going to happen. The opposite is, in fact, as you've witnessed.

I know it's difficult for you to understand why we aren't bothered when you say "18vs 82 omg faggots." Frankly, it's because none of us care. The initial cowardly things you did to Red Dawn usurp any hatred/ appeal to morality you can possibly throw at us. The fact that Brobb or Jibeknn don't see or care about the shitty way that Azrael bolted is hilarious. They honestly just lack imagination (or maybe just have too much of it). The reason we're doing this far simpler than you or they think. We don't like you.

But good luck.

How much of that bullshit was fed to you? Its pretty hilarious. Considering "Azrael sniping members" was maybe 3-4 Azrael that tagged RD when the alliance went down. I wore an Azrael tag from when it started, til the day it ended, as many others also did.

And please tell us what members that were RD beforehand, that we took from Azrael besides the handful that originally left; Stoopy, Brobb, Jibeknn and Brokab. Can you name any others? I didn't know 4 people could shatter a whole guild.

[klant]

I wore an Azrael tag from when it started, til the day it ended

I haven't played a while, but gonna go a head and call bull shit on that lol

[Buhbuh]

didn't say the attempts worked.


finer points aside, it really boils down to: no one wants to work with lite at the helm of anything. not out of selfishness or because they have bigger egos, but because he's terrible at it and makes terrible decisions consistently that crush morale and make people want to quit (hence running joke Azrael 16.0). this was made perfectly clear from the beginning. if it were anyone else, sure.

Chipp, you came into the mix with Azrael 15.0. you were one of the few who were taken in and accepted and welcomed. i understand why you're so defensive of your pals. but basically what's happening right now is that we're not going to give Lite another chance to fuck everything up again.

Lite's a nice guy, but if we're being forthright: Nizzar is a better tactician. Lite doesn't even spot the moves he himself makes. He might have more talent than Nizzar in the PvP game, but he's a pitbull. He's a Gongshow.

the problem with Azrael is that they're just an amalgamation of pitbulls with no tactician, or a guild that simply doesn't give voice to those people. Lite HAS to lead, and you follow.

i know this because i've been in Azrael twice. Colgate and Andis can even tell you that. for obvious reasons, they spare the boards those opinions. plenty of you know better than him. you just give all executive order to him.

[Buhbuh]

I just don't understand all the bragging of loots from RD.

Nihi is open recruitment, hell HB could probably retag... that's nothing special?

I imagine though it's just more part of a back and forth thing going on between Az/RD that I only see from Az perspective maybe, w/e.

backstabbing, RD being cowards, you guys fucked us talk aside (people can put aside their differences)

it's really just Lite, pal. nothing more, nothing less.

[iiNGloriouS]

I haven't played a while, but gonna go a head and call bull shit on that lol

It's true ask any RD member. I had my alt bard tagged RD for about a week, then made my own alt guild.


Chipp, you came into the mix with Azrael 15.0. you were one of the few who were taken in and accepted and welcomed. i understand why you're so defensive of your pals. but basically what's happening right now is that we're not going to give Lite another chance to fuck everything up again.

I am not defending anyone, simply pointing out facts. Lite makes questionable calls, but not everyone can be on-point 100% of the time. But I guess I was one of the few who didn't know HB's full story but I could smell his bullshit from a mile away. I don't discredit him for the work he has put into new players when the turnover rate on this server is pretty high, but I have played and picked with peoples minds enough to realize he had an ulterior motive from the get-go. Especially when he cried wolf when anyone left RD, even if it was to just go Han Solo.

[heartbrand]

You've discovered my ulterior motive!

hint: it's slaying dragons

[quido]

heartbrand wants to be assimilated

resistance is futile

[Buhbuh]

think it's more divorcing himself from the idea of glory and resistance so that he gets pixels for his people that are in desperate need of them, which, in reality, is the best decision for his guild. perhaps not the most fun for Azrael or not the most shared of goals with azrael, but after all, we are separate guilds with different intents.

we stay busy/ enjoy shit. sorry if you don't.

[quido]

Don't get me wrong - I still have fun playing red casually. I just feel compelled to rub your face in your own weakness/desperation.

[heartbrand]

you've had more activity in this thread than you have had on red99 in 6 months. for someone who talks so much about competing and what not, you sure haven't done anything to further it.

[quido]

that doesn't even make sense ya moran

[Mac Dretti]

grats on the ib merger on blue jeremy

[quido]

huh

[Pudge]

pudge can be seen valiantly charging in, knowing it's suicide.

still rather be a martyr, like Jesus himself, dying for the sins of all RD and nilly.. still trying to keep a red server red... i forgive you bros, but don't you see this is a pvp server? there are 100-man-battles to be had

[Greegon]

pudge can be seen valiantly charging in, knowing it's suicide.

still rather be a martyr, like Jesus himself, dying for the sins of all RD and nilly.. still trying to keep a red server red... i forgive you bros, but don't you see this is a pvp server? there are 100-man-battles to be had

'no truce with the shadow' -- shaere

[Yagebasto]

'no truce with the shadow' -- shaere

lold

[vouss]

pras sim repops

[Vamael]

guido Ill give you the respect that you are talking from an azrael perspective. You may be in azrael for your own reason, but azrael was reformed so lite could be in control of pixel flow. WHy did YOU choose lite over heartbrand before any alliance was formed to shut down lite? Which many of Red dawn didn't want lites leadership, or his views. this has 0 to do with be able to contest. Azraels force had 0 reason to leave red dawn. This is politics about who wants to run the show vs nihilum.

[Vamael]

We were KOS to nihilum, azrael and heartbrands crew were holding hands fighting the force? and what happened, why was it such a smart move to make a 3rd guild? pixel control......Power trip.....

[heartbrand]

Nah you're looking too much into it.

HB/Titanuk/Holo crew dislike Lite, would take jabs, be dicks, he wasn't really treated like a co-leader as it was HB's tag/officers.

Lite has a fair amount people who are loyal to him, good players, a decent amount of them, he really didn't have to put up with it.

Do I feel it's either of their fault? Nah HB or Lite could have stopped it - I've seen more then enough BS from RD that if I were Lite I woulda told them to fucken suck it.

I think it would have been smarter to stay allied, as pushing ur guild to Nihi or quitting doesn't benefit Azrael, but at least they play on their terms, with people they like. I think with Sharknado crew, HB/Holo crew, and Az we would have given Nihi a run for their money.

Typical Red99 petty opposition bullshit, grats Nizzar.

Yaw, I dunno why Lite got any shit with RD @ all. Couldn't of been because of the need to talk 100% of the time, talk over everyone with constructive ideas like Colgate, talking 24/7 about how he needs indicolite bracers more than other people, only showing up to sky to get his haste belt than instantly jumping off every time we were done with spiroc lord, repeatedly boasting about boxing and ghosting, creating loot drama, etc. Nope, don't see why anyone would give him shit @ all.

[heartbrand]

At the end of the day, the biggest issue will always be that the Azrael crew only responds to Lite, only logs on for Lite, etc. Any alliance or long term relationship with a guild that refuses to answer to anyone else under any circumstance is impossible, implausible, and frankly a waste of time. I pride myself on delegating authority to multiple people, including Cyren / Miley / Titanuk / Lawlzies / Lewis / Vanco, all intelligent and skilled EQ players. There is no delegation of power in Azrael whatsoever. If lite isn't on, no1 is logging on. That just isn't a workable reality. Sorry.

[marie]

At the end of the day, the biggest issue will always be that the Azrael crew only responds to Lite, only logs on for Lite, etc. Any alliance or long term relationship with a guild that refuses to answer to anyone else under any circumstance is impossible, implausible, and frankly a waste of time. I pride myself on delegating authority to multiple people, including Cyren / Miley / Titanuk / Lawlzies / Lewis / Vanco, all intelligent and skilled EQ players. There is no delegation of power in Azrael whatsoever. If lite isn't on, no1 is logging on. That just isn't a workable reality. Sorry.

i havent been here long, but there are a few other leaders stepping up here, we actually did some big things recently without lite. things changes, people change. just like red dawn.

[Chortles]

in fact it is so unworkable that the same crew has made two guilds merge to be able to compete

[Zoolander]

it realy just comes down to this

nizzar being well considered in his decisions
heartbrand, even being twofaced, wants the best for the server
azrael (whos leadin it rite now btw?) seeing the game as a counterstrike clone and doesnt accept the fact that there is also pve involved in this game.

its not hard to figure out whos keeping the upper hand and who doesnt in the big scheme of things

[Mac Dretti]

Nobody likes Lite

Suprise

[Fame]

Reaname thread:the Ugly

[Tassador]

The pixels man the fucking pixels.

[Infectious]

I cant believe I read most of this. What I get is RD almost had the pop to stand with nihilum. Nizzar and hb cut a deal to cut out lite/azrael crew and in return will toss them loot. Now 75% of the server is allied with nilly. So when velioud launchs it is easier to merge guilds for raids so nilly can take down mobs.

All I gota say is why stay in red dawn then? If your allied with nilly, why not cut the middle man(hb) and just join nilly and get your loot? Makes zero sense to stay in RD...

[HippoNipple]

I cant believe I read most of this. What I get is RD almost had the pop to stand with nihilum. Nizzar and hb cut a deal to cut out lite/azrael crew and in return will toss them loot. Now 75% of the server is allied with nilly. So when velioud launchs it is easier to merge guilds for raids so nilly can take down mobs.

All I gota say is why stay in red dawn then? If your allied with nilly, why not cut the middle man(hb) and just join nilly and get your loot? Makes zero sense to stay in RD...

Haven't you asked this same exact question many times and had it answered every time?

Go check your post history and read the answer below the last time you asked this exact question.

[Kergan]

I cant believe I read most of this. What I get is RD almost had the pop to stand with nihilum. Nizzar and hb cut a deal to cut out lite/azrael crew and in return will toss them loot. Now 75% of the server is allied with nilly. So when velioud launchs it is easier to merge guilds for raids so nilly can take down mobs.

All I gota say is why stay in red dawn then? If your allied with nilly, why not cut the middle man(hb) and just join nilly and get your loot? Makes zero sense to stay in RD...

Hate to poke holes in your theory, but we don't need any help killing Velious mobs. Also we aren't allied. We cooperate for a few hours a week to ensure the server scum don't get pixels then go back to fighting each other the rest of the time. Maybe you think we're allied because there isn't a post every 15 minutes from one side or the other saying what bad asses they are?

In a strange way Azrael has done a lot to help the box. They showed us the damage true retards can do when left unchecked. I see a bright future now as we move forward with the majority of the server population showing decent behavior towards one and other. Nearly all of the toxicity has been confined into a single container making disposal quick and easy.

[Colgate]

kergan do you have brain damage in real life?

[Kergan]

kergan do you have brain damage in real life?

Standard and predictable Azrael response.

[Juhstin]

Nobody likes Lite

Suprise

I like Miller Lite

[Infectious]

I asked why stay in RD? Where was that and where was the question answered? My last post was directed in the opposite direction of why would azrael be mad that rd+nilly allied, seeing that gives them more targets in pvp. I asked just before, why stay in rd when you can just go to the pixel source directly.

[Kergan]

You can keep posting that we're allies but that doesn't make it true. :)

[Infectious]

And kergan lol? I say you guys are allied cause you have leader/members from rd posting they work together. Wait! Wait! Wait!!!! I think you even said it in your own post, read your first paragraph.You share targets so azrael doesnt get any... Get this trash out of my argument, I wana talk to an adult!

[Twainz]

And kergan lol? I say you guys are allied cause you have leader/members from rd posting they work together. Wait! Wait! Wait!!!! I think you even said it in your own post, read your first paragraph.You share targets so azrael doesnt get any... Get this trash out of my argument, I wana talk to an adult!

An agreement for a few hours out of the week does not = an alliance.

[Mac Dretti]

I like Miller Lite

Gross

[Pudge]

heh.. "guys we arent allies, we just coordinate and work together to fight other people.. and slay dragons... and don't attack eachother... and wait, wait what is an ally again?"

try google.

[Twainz]

heh.. "guys we arent allies, we just coordinate and work together to fight other people.. and slay dragons... and don't attack eachother... and wait, wait what is an ally again?"

try google.

Fought Thresh < Red Dawn > last night at KC while I was trying to hammer to get to a raid. Didn't know allies tried to kill one another now.

[Infectious]

LOL.. Nice troll twainz.

[Twainz]

LOL.. Nice troll twainz.

Who is trolling? Ask Thresh, I logged into KC so I could hammer and get to VP on Tyva. I saw Thresh at the zoneline and ran up towards him but didn't attack him. He zoned so I started to hammer. Thresh zoned back in berserk and disced me. He got my rune and 30% of my HP but luckily I was able to zone.

[freez]

the zergling allies



the movie