Roflzek

[Trelaboon]

This server was listed as classic teams PvP, I got sorted excited until I realized it had nothing to do with P1999.

It's also shamefully unclassic.

P1999 needs to release their Teams and smash this imposter!

[Galacticus]

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[Swish]

Can 2-box there I hear... but not 3-box.

Good job monitoring that shit.

[Trelaboon]

2-boxing is the worst idea in the world on free emulated servers. Lame

[NotKringe]

2-boxing is the worst idea in the world on free emulated servers. Lame

^^ Is used to blue where you can find groups pre level 52... On a box with a population capping at 150-175 there is absolutely no reason to NOT allow 2 boxing especially on red99... Melee classes simply cannot solo and require groups... These groups are non existent.

[Clark]

I got sorted excited until I realized

[SamwiseRed]

boxing terrible idea, why not just play live if you want to box?

[Squire]

no boxing pls

[NotKringe]

boxing terrible idea, why not just play live if you want to box?


How did getting your paladin to 60 go for you Samwise?

Oh wait it didn't happen, you most likely quit around mid 30s.. (ill take a guess here)


And went back to playing your solo druid.... (Great concept).

Now I do realize you have, in the past, ran around and buffed people and helped pl several, but to keep the server growing this would need to continue 24/7... And that my friend simply does not exist and is where your "terrible boxing" idea becomes a moot point.

[Vile]

woo woo

[heartbrand]

I agree conceptually that having a server without boxing is a positive thing. It creates interdependence, heightens the importance of relationships and reputation etc. But this is a 100 player box these days. The pop just isn't there to support the vision of classic eq. It's been almost two and a half years now, it shows no signs of passing 200 pop. Desperate times call for desperate measures. In all honesty what is the worst that would come from a two week trial of two boxing? Say its in the name of science. If it turned out to be a massive shit show then so what did you lose? A two week experiment on a preferred server box?

[SamwiseRed]

boxing will put the casual player that much more behind. having to run a box just to compete is retarded.

inb4 some dumbass says, ERMG its so ez to kill a boxer

it takes a special kind of stupid to say its easier to kill 2 players than 1. my druid cant even kill a buffed lvl 60s as it is (not enough mana), let alone 2 players.

hardly anyone boxed in classic. ya i know eldermoran was the first person to box according to him but when i played, i didnt know who did until late velious early luclin.

as for my paladin not getting to 60, blame the xp not the lack of boxing. shit im way to fuckin casual for hybrid penalty, fuck that.

[Xantille]

boxing will put the casual player that much more behind. having to run a box just to compete is retarded.

inb4 some dumbass says, ERMG its so ez to kill a boxer

it takes a special kind of stupid to say its easier to kill 2 players than 1. my druid cant even kill a buffed lvl 60s as it is (not enough mana), let alone 2 players.

hardly anyone boxed in classic. ya i know eldermoran was the first person to box according to him but when i played, i didnt know who did until late velious early luclin.

as for my paladin not getting to 60, blame the xp not the lack of boxing. shit im way to fuckin casual for hybrid penalty, fuck that.

unless you want to play a melee, in which case LOL

[SamwiseRed]

whats harder to fight?

a mage with epic

or

a mage with epic boxing a mage with epic

hmmm, well according to the forums killing a single mage is harder because he is concreting on 1 char (lol this is eq, u need 10 apm to be masters).

if you guys seriously want to box, there are other servers that allow it. why ruin this one?

[Azure]

Killing boxed players is harder than killing solo players yes.

Killing boxed players is much easier than killing 2 players.

Simple as that.

If boxing enabled
Then everyone can box

It is fair.

It favors skilled players and young people with braincells left.

It hurts the economy, and player interaction. Over 50% of the players will not use boxing to help the server.

A small minority will.

This will not make boxing good.

But it would drastically increase population.

Lastly it would shift the meta-game into "how many chars can I box, or what combo of box griefs the best". Making the game less immersive and more dull for people who like mass pvp.

[SamwiseRed]

ya true altho lewis and a few others are can probably box better than 2 players playing separately.

[Azure]

ya true altho lewis and a few others are can probably box better than 2 players playing separately.

Yeah, I'de agree. Depends on the classes though.

Boxing 2 melee's jousting... ehhhh

[Fame]

having to run a box just to compete is retarded.

[NotKringe]

whats harder to fight?

a mage with epic

or

a mage with epic boxing a mage with epic

hmmm, well according to the forums killing a single mage is harder because he is concreting on 1 char (lol this is eq, u need 10 apm to be masters).

if you guys seriously want to box, there are other servers that allow it. why ruin this one?


How would it ruin this one? When it would allow new players to get involved and play classes they actually like, instead of whelp roll a solo caster if you want to play on red... That seems to be the motto around here now a days...

You know, this neat concept of actually enjoying the game, instead of Random Newcomer101 "Id really like to play a rogue" its what I've played on live for years... Or a Monk,Warrior (I prefer melee's) Welp, sorry Newcomer101 your shit out of luck because unless you commit your life to the box and promise raiding at fucked up hours nonstop, there is next to 0% chance you will make it to 50 as a melee solo buddy, there just simply are 0 groups, and no low level guilds to join man, so even though you are a huge proponent of melee (and its what you prefer to enjoy with your few hours a night spare time) your forced to roll a solo class and level it up and get yourself associated with the "one guild" here and hope they like you enough to pl your next toon.....

Aka cya in about 5months on that toon you enjoy (maybe more with your playtime you listed... Few hours a night).

Think about it, don't be naïve.


Fixed this for you.

boxing will put the casual player that much more behind. having to run a box just to compete is retarded.


Think about this for a few and mow it over before you reply.

[Smedy]

no boxing on a server with 50 people in a game designed for 1000+ is just plain and simply retarded

[Feniggles]

no boxing on a server with 50 people in a game designed for 1000+ is just plain and simply retarded


dont worry black knight, we know you dont care about the server rules.

[SamwiseRed]

i think removing hybrid penalty would help alot with groups. you know how many solo sks/paladins ive seen on this server since i started? a fucking ton. you know how many groups ive been in that needed a tank? a fucking ton. hybrids get shunned because of penalty and at the same time hybrids would rather solo because their penalty is so horrid.

i honestly think removing the hybrid penalty (at least in groups) as well as adding a group xp bonus will improve server pop. we dont need boxing.

all im saying is the day you allowing boxing, is the day alot of us uninstall for good. i know alot of you dont care and would be happy having the ability to box your item camps. i really think this whole boxing thing is just selfish and not for the community but rather for the few individuals who have a deep sickness for this game.

all in all, relying on players is classic. you cant blame the population on the inability to box.

[Kergan]

So I had some down time with my main camped out in TD awaiting dragon loots so I gave Rolfrom a whirl.

Overall I found it pretty entertaining. It's definitely a mix of old (pre kunark levels/spells, mostly items) and new (I noticed shamans get spells every level like it is on live now, instead of having "spell levels").

Melee seems...different. With a 5 damage weapon at level 12 I'm hitting for 18-20 and critting for 40 (warrior). The swing and miss% seems very unclassic - mobs and players alike connect on almost every swing at least at my level.

As for the boxing element, not sure how I feel quite yet. It's certainly nice to be able to run my barbarian shm/war combo to eliminate down time, but maybe the biggest benefit is the biggest drawback. I just felt no need to group up with the exp rate already high. I also had a very funny PVP encounter with another 2-boxer who was playing an erudite ench/wiz near blackburrow tunnel...eventually he started zone hopping and I was able to hold down both sides of the zoneline on my own. Shaman melee skills netted me my first YT. :P

I also ran into devnoob in Halas putting in a TL for a GM event for the neutral team. I've heard some bad things said about him but he seemed like a cool guy. Unfortunately I got my shaman ported over to Faydwer for a GM event and soulbound in butcher...but my warrior was left behind. I could likely reroll a new character and level up in less time it takes to reunite them, lol. Or just delevel myself to 10 and take the TL.

The level caps are kinda cool too. It makes it easy to play casually and try out a lot of different combos. In the end though I can't really see myself playing here "full time". More of a break from the grind on R99.

[Mac Dretti]

kergan, roflzek exp is like 1000x

you cant use that as your reference for saying boxing removes need for grouping

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red99 wants to remove insane solo exp bonus? cool, give us a group bonus and allow boxing, now theres incentive to group...

now theres incentive to play, and play a class you want to play...

[Kergan]

kergan, roflzek exp is like 1000x

you cant use that as your reference for saying boxing removes need for grouping

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red99 wants to remove insane solo exp bonus? cool, give us a group bonus and allow boxing, now theres incentive to group...

now theres incentive to play, and play a class you want to play...

If I could 2 box on R99 I wouldn't feel the need to group either, I'd just do the same thing and run a war/shm combo. If they forced the issue by making it significantly faster to run a full group because of a large bonus I'd go that route. Part of the reason soloing/duoing is more effective though is you don't need nearly the mobs to make it efficient. You can find some out of the way place with a couple spawns on a short timer that are easy for their level and grind.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for big group bonuses. The social part of the game is what makes it last ultimately. Just not completely sold on the 2 box idea...I think on the surface it sounds great but once it goes in you pretty much have the 2 box all the time to min max. I kinda like the simplicity now.

[Mac Dretti]

If I could 2 box on R99 I wouldn't feel the need to group either, I'd just do the same thing and run a war/shm combo. If they forced the issue by making it significantly faster to run a full group because of a large bonus I'd go that route. Part of the reason soloing/duoing is more effective though is you don't need nearly the mobs to make it efficient. You can find some out of the way place with a couple spawns on a short timer that are easy for their level and grind.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for big group bonuses. The social part of the game is what makes it last ultimately. Just not completely sold on the 2 box idea...I think on the surface it sounds great but once it goes in you pretty much have the 2 box all the time to min max. I kinda like the simplicity now.

where would you solo that war/shaman combo?

CoM? Seb bugs? The exp would probably be even slower considering the amount of PvP you would be dealing with.

Groups would still be the superior choice. Having to log off your shaman box everytime someone zones into your zone in order to be ready to PvP with your Warrior or vice-versa will get old real fast.

On the flip side, if it's during off hours and theres 20 people online, you have this opportunity to continue to make gains, and not be hindered by the lack of people.

You're right, it is a social game, that's why your in a guild. It takes more than 1 person boxing a support class to do anything worth while here. Enabling boxing doesn't all of a sudden change the entire dynamic of the game.

The argument that anyone would be FORCED to 2-box is silly. Every experience I have with boxing theres those who do it, and theres those that don't. There is really no difference than what we have now. Some people have multiple support classes that they are able to log in and out of to help do things in different zones, and there are some people that have one main and zero alts.

[Kergan]

When you can/can't two box because of PVP would be no different then solo'ing now. What you would see though is plenty of boxed OOR bards with wizards and shit, or OOR clerics, etc.

[Mac Dretti]

and?

[Tassador]

Rolfzek the only server that you can make a gnome shaman with ice comet love custom eq.

[Kergan]

Sorry, just don't think every wizard gank combo rolling around with OOR bard speed and cleric heals sounds like a good time.

[HippoNipple]

Image/Devnoob get it, I wish Rogean really reached out to them as our PVP guides/developers.

Ohwell, they don't have the p1999 code so a lot of people will just laugh at their boxes.

There's a reason our population has stunk since release, and everytime there has been gains the GM's knock it back down - they don't know what they're doing, they don't know what players needs or want, and they listen to retards like the majority in this thread.

Most people with common sense have thrown their hands in the air and left the forums and the box.

Gm's just, don't, get, it.

Devnoob/Image have a hatred for Rogean for some reason. I'm sure it goes both ways.

[Doors]

Yeah they sure get it alright. This is like their 9th attempt at a box meanwhile Rogean's going to have two thousand people on his PVE server once velious launches.

[Mac Dretti]

Sorry, just don't think every wizard gank combo rolling around with OOR bard speed and cleric heals sounds like a good time.

how is this any different than today with the fuzzy "maybe it's against the rules maybe it's not" stance on boxing?

How often would an oor bard be useful considering 95% of pvp is at a zoneline?

How would an oor cleric or druid be any different than today's fights when this happens and someone just asks for a low level alt to login at X zone to kill the OOR?

More boxes = more YT's, not more dodged YT's (via oor healers/selos) because controlling 2 client's forces the person to make a choice of which is a throw away and which they want to save when they get caught.

[hagard]

how is this any different than today with the fuzzy "maybe it's against the rules maybe it's not" stance on boxing?

How often would an oor bard be useful considering 95% of pvp is at a zoneline?

How would an oor cleric or druid be any different than today's fights when this happens and someone just asks for a low level alt to login at X zone to kill the OOR?

More boxes = more YT's, not more dodged YT's (via oor healers/selos) because controlling 2 client's forces the person to make a choice of which is a throw away and which they want to save when they get caught.

you really have turned it around lately retti
bravo

[HippoNipple]

I thought LoZ still had a good social atmosphere. You would 2 box and normally hang out with a crew of 3-5 people in teamspeak while playing. You were able to get stuff done in small crews. If you can grab 2 people and get stuff done it actually entices casuals to be more social.

Right now on red99 it seems like too much of a chore to actually find a full group of 6 that people don't even try. By the time it happens someone will be logging off shortly anyways.

[SamwiseRed]

rant

you really need to step away, you are fucking obsessed with the damn game and server. its clearly not making you happy. there are other pvp emus and live servers where you can box, why are you trying to force that play style on everyone else? get a fucking life dude, this shit is gonna kill you.

also the day you joined nilly is the day you lost all credibility with your "whats good for the server" argument. more like, whats good for stasis amirite?

ps i never wanted argue with you and always defended you when people brought up your parenting, attacking me was a pretty stupid thing. /filter off now, your bullshit will no longer be tolerated.

[Kergan]

Kergan, you're afraid of going outside aren't you.

I am outside right now actually! Not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

[Mac Dretti]

Ooo samwhite getting spicy

[Squire]

get some sam

[Tassador]

Lol juicy stuff

[Mac Dretti]

Ur just mad samwhite is a rich and famous 80s star

[Azure]

I see stasis lost his shit and started going off on samwise over boxing... can we please ban him. And can I please get an apology for not being as crazy as him?

[AmukTZ]

You are by far the craziest person who posts on these boards dude.

[Fame]

Lashing out at loved ones, the next step may be the last

[devn00b]

Devnoob/Image have a hatred for Rogean for some reason. I'm sure it goes both ways.

No hate for rogean, I have distaste over how because of an argument that didn't involve me I had my developer access removed by doodman. At the time I was running the irc services, an IRC server, and the developer CVS (I had a perforce licence). I do feel a bit jaded seeing EQEMu fall into its current state, with broken code in the CVS, and developers that put up code that causes crashes w/o even bothering to properly test. This has nothing really to do with rogean anymore.

Id say rogean has no problems with me either. We talk sometimes when there is a need for one or the other to reach out. He's still on my AIM friends list in fact.

So much of what really happened back then has been so twisted and changed as it passed from person to person.

To those that think we have some competition to see whos server is better, there isn't. We cater to two totally different crowds. I aimed the server at more casual people hence the fast exp and the level caps (they keep things sort of even).

I don't know why people think there can't be two pvp servers online at the same time. Get bored on RZ goto R99. Bored on R99 go do some quick levels/pvp on RZ.

[Bardalicious]

To those that think we have some competition to see whos server is better, there isn't. We cater to two totally different crowds. I aimed the server at more casual people hence the fast exp and the level caps (they keep things sort of even).

Is this why you rushed out that shitty pvp box "Red69" when Red 99 was announced? :confused:

Nothing to do with competing though I'm sure.

[devn00b]

Is this why you rushed out that shitty pvp box "Red69" when Red 99 was announced? :confused:

Nothing to do with competing though I'm sure.

Again incorrect information.

Red69 was the ninja name on the whitelist for my development server. In our IRC I had several people ask for a server that was little to no custom and FFA. My dev server was already setup that way (other than the db stuff I had to convert 'round).

I had no name in mind because it was just ment to make people laugh a bit, and skip over seeing as it was a development server. I wouldn't expect you to know this next bit because you were banned, but I asked for suggestions for names for the server and the one the PLAYERBASE liked was Legacy of Zek.

Again I'm not trying to compete with p99. Our setups are different our goals are different. If I was trying to compete id lock down the server for a year and fix this db to the old GWDB standards and launch with no exp bonuses and everything set back. I have no desire for that however. I've done classic EQ on live, I have no desire for it again. Hence our large EXP bonus, some things kept in that arent classic such as starting with sense heading at 100 and many other things.

Anyway, I have no issues with R/P99, the staff, or most of the players. It's a shame everyone is trying to make something where there is nothing, because of half truths passed down from one person to another getting twisted and distorted each retelling.

[Bardalicious]

I wouldn't expect you to know this next bit because you were banned

Yeah, I hear you have a real knack for catching cheaters, man. Like 200+ banned from this newest reincarnation when you don't even break a single player population of... 30ish? :o

[Darksinga]

Yeah they sure get it alright. This is like their 9th attempt at a box meanwhile Rogean's going to have two thousand people on his PVE server once velious launches.

Too be fair Rogean is the head of the EQEMU project with a pretty decent sized team. The team at eqpvp is two people. Considering they've started with just the bare minimum base code and made TONS of contributions/fixes to the public code, it would be a real douchebag move to diss them-- especially when the p99 team's code is strictly private. Plus they've made four servers in total- Guild Wars, Kings & Bandits, Legacy of Zek, and now Rolfron Zek-- All of which have been incredibly fun.

The thing you're also missing is that you're comparing Red 99 vs ____ server. Rolfron Zek is definitely catered to more casual players while Red99 is for those that are willing to put in several months of playing every day to reach level 60. The funny thing is I bet if most of you were dropped down to 50, with the current nerfed xp rate, you wouldn't make it back up to 60. Especially considering most of the 60 population exploited the shiz out of low HP kiting before it got nerfed.

Maybe population is slightly raising now, and hey maybe it will even hit 300+ during Velious, but screw this bs about "longitivity" of the server when 80% of the server is already lvl 60 with the increased rate. What incentive is there for players to level 1-60 with the current mind throbbing xp rate? Oh yes, there are more low lvl groups now... Right..

[Gaffin 7.0]

guildwars was by far the best server they ever made and i wish it would have never died