Guard Ledshin should NOT see invis

[Potus]

I played a Necro since beta and I never once had a guard in W.FP break invis on me at the gates. That is why I was surprised to see Guard Ledshin of all people see invisibility. He simply does not, nor do any guards that patrol the WFP Gate house. The only guy that should see invis is Fikus who is inside the militia house. If you stay away from the militia house you should not have a problem traveling through WFP invisible.

Evidence:

Everlore page for Guard Ledshin (http://web.archive.org/web/20010611041541/http://everlore.com/bestiary/beastdetails.asp?mode=show&BID=316020) -- No mention of See Invisibility. He is so unimportant someone posts:

why start a board about a dumb guard? lol

If he saw invis and could kill lots of people at the gate, don't you think there would be lots of people talking about him?

Bestiary Page for WFP on Allakhazam (http://web.archive.org/web/20020704110616/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=2&mid=99910712319091#post) -- A comment about guards states that "Only one guard sees invis in WFP." That would be Guard Fikus, not Ledshin.

You'll notice that Guard Fikus's page on Allakhazam says he sees invisibility. It's stated as part of his description here. (http://web.archive.org/web/20020223094421/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1123) A guy says this about Fikus seeing invisibility:

But if you enter and leave thru east free you can get in and out invs .... just stay away from Militia House =)

Why would he say this if Ledshin saw invisibility and patrolled half of WFP? That's because Ledshin never saw invisibility. :)

Let's look at Guard Ledshin's Allakhazam page: (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=1084)

You'll see the two comments that caused Ledshin to become see invis. But somehow in the entire history of West Freeport Guard Ledshin was never updated to see invisibility. Isn't that something? Fikus is labeled as See Invis by Alla (as late as 2002), but never Ledshin. In fact two other people comment after the original posters and never mention him seeing invisibility. That means it's likely those earlier posters were entirely mistaken.

EQAtlas Dark Race Travel Guide (http://web.archive.org/web/20000620190651/http://www.eqatlas.com/darktravelguide.html) -- They do not mention a guard seeing invis at the West Freeport gatehouse, and provide this tasty quote:

Note that many of these problems can be circumvented by invisibility spells

EQ Atlas wouldn't say that if Ledshin was patrolling the gatehouse and aggro'ing on every invis'ed darkie running for the boat.

It's quite obvious Ledshin never saw Invisibility. No one except 2 old posts on Allakhazams, that Allakhazam's own website never verified, states that he did. Nothing on Everlore, nothing on EQatlas, and people on Allakhazam's page for WFP mobs don't even mention Ledshin.

Guard Ledshin doesn't see invisibility.

[tristantio]

Yea, that was quite a surprise to me too, when was this added?

[Potus]

Yea, that was quite a surprise to me too, when was this added?

Last patch, I believe. I was pretty surprised to have a guard wail on me at the gates and trigger every other guard to instagib my poor Iksar.

[tristantio]

If a player charms and casts a buff/gives an item that grants see invis, would it work on a mob?

[Potus]

I know that some buffs like Haste stay on charmed mobs after charm breaks. Not sure about See Invis. I presume it would, but would wear off after the duration wore out.

[Potus]

Ledshin still seeing invis. Still not classic.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Rofl, he aggroed me yesterday. I was so goddamn confused.

[Potus]

Rofl, he aggroed me yesterday. I was so goddamn confused.

Yeah that was my response as well.

[Potus]

This still needs addressed.

[Buellen]

the priest that guy that heals lord of militia can sometime cast see invis on the guards that patrol near him. happend on eq mac

[Potus]

the priest that guy that heals lord of militia can sometime cast see invis on the guards that patrol near him. happend on eq mac

That isn't what is happening here.

Ledshin was made See Invis because of an old comment on Allakhazams that wasn't true.

[Potus]

http://i.imgur.com/87k9G5a.png
Running invis through Freeport. Not classic.

[Sundawg]

This was changed due to a bug report/presented evidence and experiences with the Freeport gate guards on EQmac. With the evidence presented for both sides I think it maybe fair to say that Ledshin may have a chance/potential to spawn with the ability to see invisible instead of always doing so.

I think that's a fair compromise.

Fixed, pending update.

[Potus]

That works for me. I'll just murder him when I see he can see invis to help out the server's evil factioned noobs.

[Buellen]

My apollogies potus for some strange reason always thought cleric npc had see invis spell 8) lol should have know better.

i do have memories of him seeing through my invis some times when running through on my eqmac paladin.

[Potus]

My apollogies potus for some strange reason always thought cleric npc had see invis spell 8) lol should have know better.

i do have memories of him seeing through my invis some times when running through on my eqmac paladin.

Interesting, I don't ever recall it happening when I played up until the release of PoP. Maybe something happened then?

[pharmakos]

there was a lot of screwey stuff on EQMac. if Ledishin ever saw invis over there i think we should just attribute it to an EQMac bug.

i mean, i hope we don't recreate the way Unrest was on EQMac just because we assume it must be classic if it was on EQMac.... EQMac's Unrest had such terrifying pathing and agro radiuses (the top floor coming down to the bottom floor when you try to pull a mob on the bottom floor one room over, etc)

and my classic example -- the Nybright sister's in LFay only dropped Rusty weapons on EQMac. i mean, wtf. that's some not classic stuff right there. :)

another example from my time on EQMac -- the kobolds in the Warrens. i noticed it right away when i started killing in the Warrens on EQMac on my lowbie iksar SK.... the first two kobolds to the right when you zone in.... agroing one would not cause the one next to it to agro.... this was at like level 5, when they were both dark blue or even cons... it never worked that way on Live (can attest to this as someone who spent a LOT of time in The Warrens starting from the first week it opened).... their social radius was always big enough that agroing one meant both would come after you.... but on EQMac, nope, the social radius for the kobolds in Warrens was almost nil.

i wish i had written down all the little differences like that that i noticed. there were a LOT of them. EQMac was not the bastion of absolute classicness that we thought it was. it was very close, of course, but if there's little differences like this from EQMac then imo it should just be considered an idiosyncracy / bug and not evidence of the way things were in the year 2000.

[Nirgon]

No, some of those militia house guards saw invis.

The Dawg has a good point, though. Sometimes some NPCs would spawn with or without see invis. The classic tagline being "the see invis one was up", that I remember when dealing with countless areas in the game.

[Ennewi]

Looks fixed. Ran through WFP yesterday, Ledshin conned indiff with invis up. TY.

[Potus]

I've yet to see him not con indiff with invis up. He aggroed on me at the guard house and I got smooshed today, didn't help that he was pathign through the walls :(

[Ennewi]

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w663/level1undercon/bugs_zps88cc88ae.jpg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/level1undercon/media/bugs_zps88cc88ae.jpg.html)

[Potus]

Are you on Red or Blue?

EDIT: Got him to finally pop as indifferent on Red. Took about 6-7 kills.

[Zoesha]

this mob still sees invis

[Ennewi]

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w663/level1undercon/ledshin_zpsa34fc9ac.jpg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/level1undercon/media/ledshin_zpsa34fc9ac.jpg.html)

Confirmed. Can spawn see invis, kill him enough and he will spawn indiff con while invis.

[Nirgon]

As far as see invis guard went on live, I can't find another single guard that would either have a chance to spawn as see invis or not. The ones that did, always did.

[Zoesha]

This still hasn't been addressed.

[Nirgon]

Freeport has a sewer

The militia house can be dangerous

[maegi]

My iksar necro was killed twice because of this in one day a couple of days ago. So obviously Ledshin still sees invis, I confirmed it. I used to play dark elf only on live and run thru invis all the time and never once got seen, so I know this is NOT classic.