Why its a good idea to ban tradesonred

[Tradesonred]

Gotcha!

I had written a long post again trying to give insights into what i think is wrong with server direction, Derubael clamping down on criticism and why its laughable hes the one making calls on what gets implemented on a PVP server. Ive later come to the conclusion that the staff and this fine community deserve each other and that most likely youre not interested in my insights. I was gonna make exceptions, but I dont think on his own Deru could start making threats of account banning for staff decision criticism? Had to be green lighted up top right?

I gotta say though, Deru thinking that he could shamelessly lie about the xp nerf and then try to shut down discussion with "Youre imagining things, stop QQing u big QQ babies!", when some of these cave dwellers could tell you if the Efreeti spawn timer is off by 1 minute?

That he thinks its more important to slow xp down so that people learn to pvp than not letting them sit at 52 for a long ass time? For them not to get roflstomped?

This demonstration of how little he understands the community, the game and the server hes making decisions for, that was all comedy gold, thanks for the laughs Durabell!

I had other juicy bits and analysis but i know you dont want to hear it.

A community with half a brain would slam the door on this server in a heartbeat after all this but some of us understand how smart most of these EQ crackheads are, right? I dont mean theyre incapable of thought though, like some uncurable thing, its like theyve been infected with a bunch of internet memes and thats how theyve learned to communicate. Im talking here mostly about forum pop, in-game ratio of morons vs normals goes up a little.

I feel sorry for the few good guys on server who dont read the forums, are just there to have a good time and stuck with that staff and that playerbase. (This wasnt my opinion of the staff until last weeks new rules posts and bans)

On this note, Peace out!

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Ive changed my mind, with the thread title change, so u guys can see why its a good idea to ban me, wall of text incoming

I cannot unfortunatly continue to invest time here as i dont have much faith in the direction the server is taking and getting banned from the forums because im making " a 100 posts about why Deru is wrong" (msg i got with ban) was the last drop. I may be brutally critical but i do it for the betterment of the server, not to "burn it down". I cannot invest my time in a MMO emu where devs are reluctant to hear feedback for the game theyre running while repeating the same mistakes they did many times before because theyre ignoring feedback, again. The server may be free but EQ is a marathon payoff. Ok enjoy the journey but whats the point of building your characters if in the end the boxs gonna be dead because of bad dev decisions? Especially on a pvp box where your fun is not mainly PVEing and you need measures for the pop to stay minimally high. Thats alot of time put in i could be playing other games. So server is free devs, does that mean you wouldnt like it to succeed and grow? Well pay attention more to feedback and it might happen. I also got worried by the post where Durabell says him and Sirken are doing math for the upcoming server changes. Wait, Dura is making math on what gets implemented on the server? I seriously hope hes not part of the process of making calls on important game mechanic stuff considering the quality of his posts on the forums and how little he understands the server and its community.

The day the nerf was announced, there was some good information floating around about why nerfing xp made no sense on forums, amid trash, granted. We had also made the same points pretty much in that other durabell thread a week or 2 before. All the info was there to make a better decision. Just to take one example, how now 52s have to stay much longer at this lower bracket where they are getting pulverized by lvl60s. Its the same story than what it was for xp loss in pvp, its easy to see, 52s gonna get farmed for YT, devs are warned, do what? Take a course of action that ignores the feedback. This is like groundhogs day from the years before where devs took bad decisions when all the feedback was there on the forums for them to make the right ones. Durabells post on forums in a constructive criticism thread was a metaphorical "yes we know you dont like it, were not interested in knowing why you dont like it, the underlying notes being, we know better (although we dont actually play on the box), we dont need your feedback".

The first 18 months of the server or so failed badly because they refused to listen to feedback telling them xp loss in PvP was gonna bleed the semi-casual, new to the game pop away because of griefers, made the box boring and purple because many people didnt wanna take the xp hit when they died so fled every encounter and make zergs sit in raid zones uncontested. Theyre response was basically lawl u guys and your feedback, this isnt Call of Duty. Nihilum being so hard to dethrone now is a consequence of that decision to ignore the feedback we gave them on a silver platter. Now theyre going a step further by explicitely saying they dont care about our feedback, instead of mainly just ignoring it. I know Sirken said otherwise, but durabell also represents the staff and the way he acts, what he posts, thats the message hes sending. Theyre now linking staff decision criticism to account ban threats. I know its meant for people like Cast mainly, but theyre going overboard with this. It should be for people posting gay porn or shit like that and be made crystal clear that youre never, ever losing an account because youre criticizing dev decisions.

I would have stuck around to try to push for xp to be turned back to where it was but with moderation going full retard and the new threat that hangs over our accounts if we dare open our mouths, im gonna cut my losses early and pack my bags. I have a big mouth and have trouble restraining myself saying how i feel so im saving myself some potential grief down the line.

Ive already had my 44 druid account on blue banned by Uthgaard over some stupid power tripping shit years ago, im not going through that again with a GM like durabell around once again, who might take all that time you invested in your character and throw it away because you looked at him funny or being critical of his behavior. Before you say lawls dirty whistle, i petitioned 3 years later and laid out my case and Rogean flagged my thread for GM attention, and it was finally unbanned. So yea, Darubell giving me a week-long forum ban because "im posting hes wrong too many times" probably because i poke fun at his haughty behavior, weighted in my decision to hang my red99 jersey for a while, after bringing back unpleasant memories of getting my blue druid unfairly banned by Uthgaard. Yes, there is some trash on the forums that needs to be taken out. But banning people because theyre posting a GM is wrong too many times, stopping people from posting constructive criticism, instituting a series of clamping down that sends a chill down effect on constructive criticism and discussion, thats garbage too.

GM Derabuel lying to our face, telling the playerbase that they imagined things, to stop QQing, only to announce hours later a major xp nerf. How can you take anything this guy says seriously after that? A quick skim of the forums shows him locking down and deleting constructive threads that dont agree with his position: "Have faith. Also, please stop making XP threads, because I'm just going to delete them" and leaving threads on the subject that agree with his position alone, undeleted and unlocked (That bamzal enjoy the grind journey thread, Faeries thread about accepting XP nerf and for people to stop posting that its making them not log in). If what Kergan said on the forums is true, apparently the GMs said in-game that no xp nerf happened, once again trying to lie to the community.

His post 2 weeks ago on an xp nerf being absolutely necessary, and saying it was his opinion only, not the staff's. So either he was lying to us again, and warming up the community to a change that was already in the works for a long time, like was stated (though his post claimed nothing was set in stone) Or hes really the one in charge with Sirken of game mechanics on red which would be disastrous (I mean Darubell, Sirken i think is allrite, not sure about what he would do to make server grow though). Were talking here about the guy who thinks slowing down xp to make players learn about pvp is more important than those players not staying lvl 52 for a long time, so they dont get roflstomed. Shit, im not even that good at EQ and i know a 52 will get roflstomped by a 60, no matter what. Whats more, they got all that extra time now to gear up till newbies get in range so the gap in power is even wider. Hopefully thats not the person making calls on what gets implemented on PVP servers.

How XP nerf was implemented demonstrates how little some of the GMs understand this community, and demonstrates their contempt and ignorance of the communitys knowledge of the game and the state of the server. They thought they could sneak in an xp nerf this big on the population without them noticing, thats laughable. Some of these cave dwellers would know if you moved the efreeti spawn by a foot. Lying about the nerf, trying to ridicule people who politely asked if the xp had been nerfed as an attempt to close the discussion. When it was obvious they werent gonna sneak that one in they admitted in a post they had lied (not saying this explicitely), never saying ok sorry for trying to deceive you guys. GM Durabell went into damage control mode and started banning vocal critics and deleting or locking threads. The way this was pushed through was unbeleivably unprofessional and conceited. After playing bad cop, GM Durabell then tries to play good cop by posting funny ironic stuff like "Thank you all for your feedback. If you have any other ideas, thoughts, or would just like to rant, feel free to PM me." Yea so youre not allowed to brainstorm on the subject, feel free to waste your time sending me feedback on an issue ive obviously already made up my mind about and that the community or devs wont read and add their own feedback to, so we can figure out the best solution together.

Yeah people like me get heated, but you have to understand alot of time is invested on this server and people can get aggravated over seeing the devs or GMs moving forward unilaterally, not taking feedback into consideration (yet again) with measures that most players beleive will impoverish the server they love playing on, argumenting the reasoning behind their disagreement. Devs and GMs position in a nutshell seems to be "Trust us, were experts, and were not explaining why we think doing something that made the population drop multiple times before is going to make the population go up this time around".

Still, thanks to Rogean and Nilbog, the staff for making server happen, just wish you would listen to feedback more, because obviously you need it (especially on who you pick as GMs) and the forum wasnt dangerously sliding down to a place where criticism isnt welcomed. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security" and all that crap. If you are not willing to trust or take in consideration the feedback from the playerbase at face value, then have internal testers check that feedback out. But you should stop having people like GM Durabell who obviously dont play on the server making ill-advised, misinformed decisions on what the server needs to expand its playerbase and heavy handedly shutting down discussion on the forums. I think the sad truth is they give close to 0 fucks about our feedback. They just implement changes when people complain loudly for a long time on the forums and they finally realize they did something wrong

[heartbrand]

o m g it was a forum ban WHO GIVES A FUCK

[Tradesonred]

Its not about the forum ban though lol

hence gotcha

Well, very little.

People should give a fuck though about forum bans, if theres one thing they need, its critical feedback about who they pick as GMs

[Gaffin 7.0]

i actually got a in game threat to be permabanned for saying stuff on forums, so i laid off.

[Tradesonred]

Anyway ill be posting a long critical forum post at rerolled warning people not to touch this server with a ten foot pole if anyones interested.

[freez]

i actually got a in game threat to be permabanned for saying stuff on forums, so i laid off.

lol god damn




and ive done some pretty drunk rampages

[HippoNipple]

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[Tradesonred]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/193427u3l1jrogif/original.gif

Yeah like i was saying, staff and playerbase deserve each other

[Twainz]

i actually got a in game threat to be permabanned for saying stuff on forums, so i laid off.

I almost got an in game permaban for saying something in TMO Ventrillo.

[freez]

p funny how you couldnt make it into your choice of guild on blue


where they have requirements lol

[Twainz]

p funny how you couldnt make it into your choice of guild on blue


where they have requirements lol

What? I withdrew my app 3 days before I got in. Might want to check your facts.

[freez]

lol

[Tradesonred]

So before i get banned again, what are all these changes that happened since last week? The ban msg hinted there was much to come and if things were still bad in 7 days, then come back and post Durabell is wrong again (lol)

[HippoNipple]

- exp modifier

[Zade]

tradesonred, i'm not 100% sure who you are in game, but I take pride in listening to people's opinions and try to make a "best case scenario" after hearing multiple opinions about one topic from various guild leaders/representatives/players.

I guarantee that your opinion could be taken into account. I also guarantee you that posting it in a public forum while complaining about the staff and player base will not make that happen and will probably get you forum banned, which will make rage levels increase, into the downward spiral of this meth chick:
http://www.wcso.net/data/methforweb_files/slide0075_image108.jpg


Despite what most people think, we do listen.

[Haynar]

If it makes you feel better. My GM account got banned too.

Don't mess with the Zohan! ....err. Rogean!

[BigHurb]

you guys r too cute , want to pat ur little heads n give u a snack

[Twainz]

tradesonred, i'm not 100% sure who you are in game, but I take pride in listening to people's opinions and try to make a "best case scenario" after hearing multiple opinions about one topic from various guild leaders/representatives/players.

I guarantee that your opinion could be taken into account. I also guarantee you that posting it in a public forum while complaining about the staff and player base will not make that happen and will probably get you forum banned, which will make rage levels increase, into the downward spiral of this meth chick:
http://www.wcso.net/data/methforweb_files/slide0075_image108.jpg


Despite what most people think, we do listen.

Would bang 1-3.

[Bamz4l]

Anyway ill be posting a long critical forum post at rerolled warning people not to touch this server with a ten foot pole if anyones interested.

hopefully that means u'll stop posting here

[Gaffin 7.0]

Would bang 1-3.

lol, looks like 6 she quit for a bit, then right back at it

[Tradesonred]

tradesonred, i'm not 100% sure who you are in game, but I take pride in listening to people's opinions and try to make a "best case scenario" after hearing multiple opinions about one topic from various guild leaders/representatives/players.

I guarantee that your opinion could be taken into account. I also guarantee you that posting it in a public forum while complaining about the staff and player base will not make that happen and will probably get you forum banned, which will make rage levels increase, into the downward spiral of this meth chick:
http://www.wcso.net/data/methforweb_files/slide0075_image108.jpg


Despite what most people think, we do listen.

Its not taken into account. Durabell was locking down threads that went against his position and leaving threads unlocked that agreed with his position, thats a dictionnary definition of biased and dont wanna hear criticism.

Anyway im not even interested in debating it, just wanted to know if Durabell's super plan was in effect still or if it was just the nerf and nothing new, before i get banned lol

And that picture looks like a step by step progression of what the server will look like once Durabells done fucking with it

[Juhstin]

Its not taken into account. Durabell was locking down threads that went against his position and leaving threads unlocked that agreed with his position, thats a dictionnary definition of biased and dont wanna hear criticism.

Anyway im not even interested in debating it, just wanted to know if Durabell's super plan was in effect still or if it was just the nerf and nothing new, before i get banned lol

And that picture looks like a step by step progression of what the server will look like once Durabells done fucking with it

I'm smelling the hammer coming down on you soon. No one talks back to GMs. No one.

[BigHurb]

^ aren't you sposed to be robbin white peoples houses

[Tradesonred]

Ecoli, don't leave. You're not going to anyway, you're just a little upset right now. The forums are richer for having you around even though you're wrong most of the time. And I really, really hope you don't mean you're leaving the server? In game you're much cooler than you are here.

Hating on the GMs and devs is totally classic EQ. I went crazy and was super mad when Ambrotos infracted me for trolling blue rnf, but looking back it was just silly. We get away with a lot here; imagine what it would be like if we were posting on boards hosted by SOE. You're free to share your opinions and stuff here, but spewing anger at everything is neither productive nor classy. If you disagree, do the right thing and express yourself in a respectful way. They have put in tons of work so we can play here for free, and all.

My feedback is posted on rerolled, for people who might make use of it. Not going to give the pleasure to Durabell of deleting the thread.

Im not mad, im not angry, i dont "hate" Durabell, if u read my rerolled feedback, its more like, why is this clueless person allowed to make calls on what gets implemented on red, he understands so little of whats needed?

Thats why im quitting, because they wont even listen to reasoned arguments saying hey wooo there, think about this before implementing. Durabell said a week ago, dont bother posting feedback ill just delete it. Thats not being angry, thats a fact.

I might come back in a year like i did this year, just not going to invest that much time into EQ when i could play a bunch of other games. With how it was before, sure. But with that lolz lets make the server grow and nerf xp though its made the server fail multiple times before stuff? lol

Just came out of the library with 10 new books, got better things to do than watch durabell run this server into the ground with earplugs going nanananana cant hear youuuuu

[Mac Dretti]

Would bang 1-3.

Wud bang 10-12 don't lie

[Azure]

Plz ban trades again, this was great and his ban wasn't even as long as my first ban.

[Tradesonred]

Derubael hasn't said any of the things you've claimed he has in this thread. He never lied about the xp reduction, he simply stated that Red still has a bonus (which was 100% true). And he certainly never said that feedback will all be deleted; quite the opposite.


Youre wrong, but i dont care enough to go fetch the quotes. Something along the lines of stop making threads about the xp nerf because ill just delete them.

Then Bamzal posts his love letter to a mind numbing, slow ass grind and it doesnt get locked or deleted, nor yours for that matter where you plead for people to accept it and stop posting that its making people around you quit, showing evident bias toward which kind of opinions are allowed on the forums.

You talk like if i was incapable of quitting EQ. I was recently back for something like 3 weeks, after a year off or something. Honestly i was planning to stay till past velious launch, i was planning to try to do for red99 what i did for DAOC: origins (get a buzz going about the launch) but the contempt Durabell treats people with when his ideas for the server are so laughably bad, the my way or the highway, ive got better things to do.

[Gaffin 7.0]

while some of your opinions i honestly agree, some do troll or act like a dick, your also not helping the population grow at all here.

[Fame]

helping the population grow at all here.

please don't tell me you actually believe that could happen

[Lojik]

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[Gaffin 7.0]

please don't tell me you actually believe that could happen

considering pop was at 30 when i started playing here again, yes

[Fame]

Oh yeah forgot you were that old school, good old 30s days, put shit in perspective

[Tradesonred]

while some of your opinions i honestly agree, some do troll or act like a dick, your also not helping the population grow at all here.

Everything i wrote for the past month on the forum was an attempt to salvage what was left of red, to make it grow. Almost everyone on the server agreed the nerf was a really bad idea, the only way you could come up with something as ridiculous as that nerf is if you dont play on the fuckin server. I know it sucks for the people who invested so much time on the server but thats not my fault, im just pointing out server is not going toward a fun place.

I mean, im done now. So u guys can try to make it grow if u think theres still that possibility, im not going to stick around for months like that tomato guy

[Tradesonred]

Some of us are actually excited about where things are headed, especially with Velious around the corner. Why not stick around to see what happens? :)

Well im curious to see what Durabell's super plan is beyond the nerf, i gotta say.

Ill delete my lvl60 shaman if the pop breaks 400 regularly, which would have been an easy fucking no brainer to do with velious if things were left as they were, thats how confident i am this guys ideas are bad.

Ill lurk on the forums, for sure. Just done with feedback, playing (for a long time).

[rollin5k]

All red needs to succeed is a higher ratio of people that aren't nuts. And its slowly happening.
i'm leveling right now and the exp isn't even that big of a deal

[Zade]

I almost got an in game permaban for saying something in TMO Ventrillo.

so YOU ADMIT IT? haha b& b& when i get home <3

[Twainz]

so YOU ADMIT IT? haha b& b& when i get home <3

I admit to talking in TMO Vent yes, but what I was accused of saying is not what I said.

[Derubael]

Would definitely read again.

Trades, o ye of little faith, every time we do something you don't like, you tell us how the server will die, we're all idiots, nobody should play here, etc. You are the type of person we don't want on this server. I'd be sad to see anyone go from the game, period, but in your case I could live without your presence on these forums.

Good luck in your future adventures sir. I hope you find less to scream about in your next endeavor.

[Tassador]

Tradesonred RIP server immersion totally fucked this kid. He had like 1200 post last month something set his fragile state of mind off. Like most eq gamers charmin soft 2 ply.

[HippoNipple]

Would definitely read again.

Trades, o ye of little faith, every time we do something you don't like, you tell us how the server will die, we're all idiots, nobody should play here, etc. You are the type of person we don't want on this server. I'd be sad to see anyone go from the game, period, but in your case I could live without your presence on these forums.

Good luck in your future adventures sir. I hope you find less to scream about in your next endeavor.

Derubael have you guys discussed exp decrease among yourselves since it has happened and is there any chance of us seeing the 50-60 exp bonus getting put back in as it was before?

Also, can we get an update on what things are in the pipelines for red or project 1999 pvp in general? Even if it is just an ETA on when we will get an update on things happening in the future.

[Dacuk]

Derubael have you guys discussed exp decrease among yourselves since it has happened and is there any chance of us seeing the 50-60 exp bonus getting put back in as it was before?

Also, can we get an update on what things are in the pipelines for red or project 1999 pvp in general? Even if it is just an ETA on when we will get an update on things happening in the future.

[BigHurb]

i hope the police shoot trades dog and molest his family and best wishes

[Squire]

Derubael have you guys discussed exp decrease among yourselves since it has happened and is there any chance of us seeing the 50-60 exp bonus getting put back in as it was before?

Also, can we get an update on what things are in the pipelines for red or project 1999 pvp in general? Even if it is just an ETA on when we will get an update on things happening in the future.

[Kazi]

Big things are coming to red. Just don't ask when.

[Fame]

Big things are coming to red. Just don't ask when.

lold

[Terpuntine]

Gotcha!

I had written a long post again trying to give insights into what i think is wrong with server direction, Derubael clamping down on criticism and why its laughable hes the one making calls on what gets implemented on a PVP server. Ive later come to the conclusion that the staff and this fine community deserve each other and that most likely youre not interested in my insights. I was gonna make exceptions, but I dont think on his own Deru could start making threats of account banning for staff decision criticism? Had to be green lighted up top right?

I gotta say though, Deru thinking that he could shamelessly lie about the xp nerf and then try to shut down discussion with "Youre imagining things, stop QQing u big QQ babies!", when some of these cave dwellers could tell you if the Efreeti spawn timer is off by 1 minute?

That he thinks its more important to slow xp down so that people learn to pvp than not letting them sit at 52 for a long ass time? For them not to get roflstomped?

This demonstration of how little he understands the community, the game and the server hes making decisions for, that was all comedy gold, thanks for the laughs Durabell!

I had other juicy bits and analysis but i know you dont want to hear it.

A community with half a brain would slam the door on this server in a heartbeat after all this but some of us understand how smart most of these EQ crackheads are, right? I dont mean theyre incapable of thought though, like some uncurable thing, its like theyve been infected with a bunch of internet memes and thats how theyve learned to communicate.

I feel sorry for the few good guys on server who are just there to have a good time and stuck with that staff and that playerbase.

On this note, Peace out!

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[Squire]

Would definitely read again.

Trades, o ye of little faith, every time we do something you don't like, you tell us how the server will die, we're all idiots, nobody should play here, etc. You are the type of person we don't want on this server. I'd be sad to see anyone go from the game, period, but in your case I could live without your presence on these forums.

Good luck in your future adventures sir. I hope you find less to scream about in your next endeavor.

could we please have any kind of insight into whats planned, and if nothing wlse the thought process behind future developments, soon? i have more than a few pals (of those who didnt outright quit after the xp was nerfd) who are starting to lose morale.

the vagueries just dont seem to do anything positive, almost as bad as silence. itd be wonderful if we had somthing red specific to get excited about and discuss. this divide between player and staff, and the seeming difference in perspective of which trade spoke coukld be remedied with a post or staff stream discussing some points regarding xp on red, teams, etc.

[Colgate]

o m g it was a forum ban WHO GIVES A FUCK

[Tradesonred]

Would definitely read again.

Trades, o ye of little faith, every time we do something you don't like, you tell us how the server will die, we're all idiots, nobody should play here, etc. You are the type of person we don't want on this server. I'd be sad to see anyone go from the game, period, but in your case I could live without your presence on these forums.

Good luck in your future adventures sir. I hope you find less to scream about in your next endeavor.

Yeah, youd read again that you shamelessly lied about the xp nerf (less imagined QQ, more pew pew), then when it was obvious people werent as dumb as you thought they were, you had to admit xp was nerfed?

Please tell me more about how i think people are idiots

And yes considering the decisions youre taking, im off. But if u have more plans than the nerf, it would be nice to share with the people staying to reassure them than whats in store isnt as bad as what came before.

[Tradesonred]

Heres my feedback lol just for u deru (added it to front page too, so people see why its a good idea to ban me)

I cannot unfortunatly continue to invest time here as i dont have much faith in the direction the server is taking and getting banned from the forums because im making " a 100 posts about why Deru is wrong" (msg i got with ban) was the last drop. I may be brutally critical but i do it for the betterment of the server, not to "burn it down". I cannot invest my time in a MMO emu where devs are reluctant to hear feedback for the game theyre running while repeating the same mistakes they did many times before because theyre ignoring feedback, again. The server may be free but EQ is a marathon payoff. Ok enjoy the journey but whats the point of building your characters if in the end the boxs gonna be dead because of bad dev decisions? Especially on a pvp box where your fun is not mainly PVEing and you need measures for the pop to stay minimally high. Thats alot of time put in i could be playing other games. So server is free devs, does that mean you wouldnt like it to succeed and grow? Well pay attention more to feedback and it might happen. I also got worried by the post where Durabell says him and Sirken are doing math for the upcoming server changes. Wait, Dura is making math on what gets implemented on the server? I seriously hope hes not part of the process of making calls on important game mechanic stuff considering the quality of his posts on the forums and how little he understands the server and its community.

The day the nerf was announced, there was some good information floating around about why nerfing xp made no sense on forums, amid trash, granted. We had also made the same points pretty much in that other durabell thread a week or 2 before. All the info was there to make a better decision. Just to take one example, how now 52s have to stay much longer at this lower bracket where they are getting pulverized by lvl60s. Its the same story than what it was for xp loss in pvp, its easy to see, 52s gonna get farmed for YT, devs are warned, do what? Take a course of action that ignores the feedback. This is like groundhogs day from the years before where devs took bad decisions when all the feedback was there on the forums for them to make the right ones. Durabells post on forums in a constructive criticism thread was a metaphorical "yes we know you dont like it, were not interested in knowing why you dont like it, the underlying notes being, we know better (although we dont actually play on the box), we dont need your feedback".

The first 18 months of the server or so failed badly because they refused to listen to feedback telling them xp loss in PvP was gonna bleed the semi-casual, new to the game pop away because of griefers, made the box boring and purple because many people didnt wanna take the xp hit when they died so fled every encounter and make zergs sit in raid zones uncontested. Theyre response was basically lawl u guys and your feedback, this isnt Call of Duty. Nihilum being so hard to dethrone now is a consequence of that decision to ignore the feedback we gave them on a silver platter. Now theyre going a step further by explicitely saying they dont care about our feedback, instead of mainly just ignoring it. I know Sirken said otherwise, but durabell also represents the staff and the way he acts, what he posts, thats the message hes sending. Theyre now linking staff decision criticism to account ban threats. I know its meant for people like Cast mainly, but theyre going overboard with this. It should be for people posting gay porn or shit like that and be made crystal clear that youre never, ever losing an account because youre criticizing dev decisions.

I would have stuck around to try to push for xp to be turned back to where it was but with moderation going full retard and the new threat that hangs over our accounts if we dare open our mouths, im gonna cut my losses early and pack my bags. I have a big mouth and have trouble restraining myself saying how i feel so im saving myself some potential grief down the line.

Ive already had my 44 druid account on blue banned by Uthgaard over some stupid power tripping shit years ago, im not going through that again with a GM like durabell around once again, who might take all that time you invested in your character and throw it away because you looked at him funny or being critical of his behavior. Before you say lawls dirty whistle, i petitioned 3 years later and laid out my case and Rogean flagged my thread for GM attention, and it was finally unbanned. So yea, Darubell giving me a week-long forum ban because "im posting hes wrong too many times" probably because i poke fun at his haughty behavior, weighted in my decision to hang my red99 jersey for a while, after bringing back unpleasant memories of getting my blue druid unfairly banned by Uthgaard. Yes, there is some trash on the forums that needs to be taken out. But banning people because theyre posting a GM is wrong too many times, stopping people from posting constructive criticism, instituting a series of clamping down that sends a chill down effect on constructive criticism and discussion, thats garbage too.

GM Derabuel lying to our face, telling the playerbase that they imagined things, to stop QQing, only to announce hours later a major xp nerf. How can you take anything this guy says seriously after that? A quick skim of the forums shows him locking down and deleting constructive threads that dont agree with his position: "Have faith. Also, please stop making XP threads, because I'm just going to delete them" and leaving threads on the subject that agree with his position alone, undeleted and unlocked (That bamzal enjoy the grind journey thread, Faeries thread about accepting XP nerf and for people to stop posting that its making them not log in). If what Kergan said on the forums is true, apparently the GMs said in-game that no xp nerf happened, once again trying to lie to the community.

His post 2 weeks ago on an xp nerf being absolutely necessary, and saying it was his opinion only, not the staff's. So either he was lying to us again, and warming up the community to a change that was already in the works for a long time, like was stated (though his post claimed nothing was set in stone) Or hes really the one in charge with Sirken of game mechanics on red which would be disastrous (I mean Darubell, Sirken i think is allrite, not sure about what he would do to make server grow though). Were talking here about the guy who thinks slowing down xp to make players learn about pvp is more important than those players not staying lvl 52 for a long time, so they dont get roflstomed. Shit, im not even that good at EQ and i know a 52 will get roflstomped by a 60, no matter what. Whats more, they got all that extra time now to gear up till newbies get in range so the gap in power is even wider. Hopefully thats not the person making calls on what gets implemented on PVP servers.

How XP nerf was implemented demonstrates how little some of the GMs understand this community, and demonstrates their contempt and ignorance of the communitys knowledge of the game and the state of the server. They thought they could sneak in an xp nerf this big on the population without them noticing, thats laughable. Some of these cave dwellers would know if you moved the efreeti spawn by a foot. Lying about the nerf, trying to ridicule people who politely asked if the xp had been nerfed as an attempt to close the discussion. When it was obvious they werent gonna sneak that one in they admitted in a post they had lied (not saying this explicitely), never saying ok sorry for trying to deceive you guys. GM Durabell went into damage control mode and started banning vocal critics and deleting or locking threads. The way this was pushed through was unbeleivably unprofessional and conceited. After playing bad cop, GM Durabell then tries to play good cop by posting funny ironic stuff like "Thank you all for your feedback. If you have any other ideas, thoughts, or would just like to rant, feel free to PM me." Yea so youre not allowed to brainstorm on the subject, feel free to waste your time sending me feedback on an issue ive obviously already made up my mind about and that the community or devs wont read and add their own feedback to, so we can figure out the best solution together.

Yeah people like me get heated, but you have to understand alot of time is invested on this server and people can get aggravated over seeing the devs or GMs moving forward unilaterally, not taking feedback into consideration (yet again) with measures that most players beleive will impoverish the server they love playing on, argumenting the reasoning behind their disagreement. Devs and GMs position in a nutshell seems to be "Trust us, were experts, and were not explaining why we think doing something that made the population drop multiple times before is going to make the population go up this time around".

Still, thanks to Rogean and Nilbog, the staff for making server happen, just wish you would listen to feedback more, because obviously you need it (especially on who you pick as GMs) and the forum wasnt dangerously sliding down to a place where criticism isnt welcomed. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security" and all that crap. If you are not willing to trust or take in consideration the feedback from the playerbase at face value, then have internal testers check that feedback out. But you should stop having people like GM Durabell who obviously dont play on the server making ill-advised, misinformed decisions on what the server needs to expand its playerbase and heavy handedly shutting down discussion on the forums. I think the sad truth is they give close to 0 fucks about our feedback. They just implement changes when people complain loudly for a long time on the forums and they finally realize they did something wrong

[Tradesonred]

So are you in charge Deru, is Rogean letting you and Sirken make calls on what gets implemented on red? Im curious

Quick Deru, delete the thread before people see how bad it makes you look lol, changing the name of the thread wont save you on that one

Im posting how youre wrong again

[Squire]

So are you in charge Deru, is Rogean letting you and Sirken make calls on what gets implemented on red? Im curious

Quick Deru, delete the thread before people see how bad it makes you look lol, changing the name of the thread wont save you on that one

Im posting how youre wrong again

I think it made more people read it tbh

[Derubael]

that was a srs wall of text. do you feel better?

[Squire]

instead of forumquesting w/ trades, how about some info on where red is headed, dev plans, exp plans, team plans etc? :) That be a lot more constructive.

that would make me, and many others feel better. Just sayin'.

[Tradesonred]

What drama, he said i was one of the few hed like to see go from the forums

I then posted my constructive feedback just for lolz as im one of the few here whose posts cant be resumed as "Youre a mad, rustled, F*****"

He then trolls my feedback, and im not taking the bait.

Come on Deru ban me, prove my point.

[Shaakglith12194]

Heres the wall of text that took me twelve hours to compose because mom had to go out and buy a new keyboard three times after smashing the crap out of them lol just for u deru

I cannot continue to poop in socks and urinate in jugs filled with cat litter anymore, I have had to switch to diapers because the mere thought of a ban on elf simulator forums has rendered my downstairs uncontrollable. I cannot unfortunatly afford diapers at the rate that I am losing control of myself. My immersion levels have reached critical levels and even though I am making 60 posts a day about the rate of experience which is still higher than the other server and crying as loudly as possible in public because I literally cannot help myself I know what is for the betterment of the server and you do not. I cannot invest my time in a MMO where I scream for my way as loudly as possible on the forums and I am not treated like the special little man that I am. The server may be free and you may devote your time for free to it but I'm not getting my way and anybody that thinks I am wrong is trying to destroy the game and the children, lives, and families of everyone that plays it.


The day the nerf was announced, I cried into the night. My pull-ups were not dry in the morning. We had cried just as hard in that other durabell thread a week or 2 before. All the info was there to make the decision I wanted. Its the same story, its easy to see, people are going to pvp on the pvp server, devs are warned, do what? Take a course of action that makes the game more classic. This is like groundhogs day from the years before where devs made decisions I didn't like when all the QQing was there on the forums for them to make the decision I had to have to sleep at night. Durabells post made me scream at my mother so loud she didn't come down to feed me for hours.

The first 18 months of the server or so failed badly because they refused to believe that a playerbase so toxic in a game so unforgiving wasn't the reason people left in droves because many people didn't want to go through the hassle of a corpse run within 15 minutes of getting their previous corpse, so they fled every encounter and others were more organized and better. Now theyre going a step further by explicitely saying they dont care how many times I lose control of my bowels, instead of mainly just ignoring it. I know Sirken said otherwise, but durabell also represents the staff and he is Hitler, from his posts, Hitler didn't kill himself in that bunker and Derubael is him. Theyre now saying there might be repercussions for my actions in forumquest. I know its meant for bad people who aren't me, but theyre going overboard with this. It should be for people who aren't me be made crystal clear that I specifically am never, ever losing an account because I'm criticizing dev decisions.

I would have stuck around to try to argue my point intelligently but with there maybe being repercussions for acting like an ass on the forums, im gonna cut my losses early and pack my bags. I have a big mouth and I cannot possibly keep it shut because nobody else has ever made me do so.

I am absolutely traumatized by the banning of my 44 druid years ago, im not going through that again. I have night terrors about it and it makes me wake up screaming in a bed crapping frenzy of tears. Before you say lawls dirty whistle, my whistle is absolutely cruddy. So yea, Darubell giving me a week-long forum ban because "im being an annoying pita" probably because i spew toxic garbage about him constantly, weighted in my decision to hang my red99 jersey for a while, after bringing back my blue druid trauma. Yes, there is some trash on the forums that needs to be taken out but it is never me. But trying to cut down amount of bullshit you have to deal with, thats garbage too.

GM Derabuel omitting information, not giving me my way, causing me great emotional trauma, only to announce hours later that exp is still better than blue. How can you take anything this guy says seriously after that? If what Kergan said on the forums is true, this is the greatest atrocity that has ever been committed in the history of the world.

His post 2 weeks ago on not acquiescing to my demands, and saying it was his opinion only, not the staff's. So either he was committing war crimes, and warming up the community to a crime against nature that was already in the works for a long time, like was stated. Or hes really the one in charge with Sirken of game mechanics on red because he disagrees with me. Shit, im absolutely terrible at EQ and i know a 52 will have to get creative against a 60, no matter what. Whats more, I cannot hit level 60 and others are getting gear that I don't have. Hopefully Hitler is not the person making calls on what gets implemented on PVP servers.

Having to experience at a closer to classic rate in this game demonstrates how little some of the GMs understand this community, and demonstrates their plot to destroy all that is good in this world. They thought I wouldn't scream and thrash in a frothy rage so great I am rendered completely incapable of using an apostrophe, thats laughable. I will know if you moved the efreeti spawn by a foot. I swear to all that is holy, if that dude has moved one decimal point on the map, I will devote my life to crying about it until the whole world realizes what a lunatic I am. Omitting information about the nerf, trying to enjoy yourself in forumquest as an attempt to close the discussion. I demand an apology. GM Durabell has made a fool of me. After playing bad cop, GM Durabell then tries to take feedback. Yea so I'm not allowed to scream publicly but I can voice my concerns privately.

Yeah losing control of when I relieve myself makes me heated, but you have to understand diapers are expensive and alot of time is invested on this server and I'm going to pretend to throw that all away for two days before making another one of these threads.

Still, thanks to everyone who is not Durabell because he is planning World War 3 and it starts here. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security" and other quotes I'm ready to butcher that have no bearing on this situation. My freedoms are at stake here. If you are not willing to acquiesce to my demands, then you should try harder. Everyone else is making decisions about the world but me, I want to make the decisions. I think the sad truth is that I have spent way too much time forumquesting and playing video games.

[Fawqueue]

Yeah, youd read again that you shamelessly lied about the xp nerf (less imagined QQ, more pew pew), then when it was obvious people werent as dumb as you thought they were, you had to admit xp was nerfed?


While I'm not nearly as invested or upset as this guy, I do admit I thought that whole fiasco was a bit odd. I get to work, pop open the forums and see quite a few posts asking what had happened to the XP. There was general confusion and suspicion that it had been changed, but all that seemed put to rest when Derubel chimed in and told the doubters to quiet down because it was all conspiracy theory and imagination. A few hours later, I check back on the boards and there is an official post from the man himself now informing the entire server that the XP bonus was removed among other things, with no mention to the fact that earlier he had been suggesting otherwise.

I was a bit surprised that nobody seemed to mention the complete 180 on that topic, but maybe they were just getting deleted like the OP is claiming. So in at least this one regard, I can understand why he's a little frustrated. That's been the problem with emulated servers since their inception though. Most people are hesitant to play on these things simply because of the fallibility of the moderators. So when it seems like things are getting out of hand and heading in the direction of a power-trip, it gets peoples jimmies rustled. I'm not saying Derubel or any other GM here are bad guys...but we've all seen this turn out badly before, whether on this project or someplace else. And when it seems like it's coming again...it's worrisome.

So I hope trades finds some peace for a while wherever he moves onto. And I hope that the current staff doesn't flub things up with the direction they're going, because it's possible. I check back in all the time in hopes that things are improving, and honestly they seems to be moving horizontally at the moment. Some changes for the better, some changes for the worst (at least in the short-term). Something has got to give eventually, one direction or the other. Either way I hope they actually have a well mapped out plan, stick to it regardless of how much whining we give them, and see it through to fruition. It might help quell some of these kinds of negative posts if they would include the players in the process a little more. They're regular dudes just like us, and when has "big things soon, I promise" been good enough for anyone?

[Tradesonred]

Hi im Cast, im a bigger OCD than trades check out this long ass wall of text ive wrote just for a single person

lol stopped reading at first paragraph...

to write this comment

I played for 3-4 weeks on server after a 1 year hiatus

Poopsocker lol

Probably only person OCD enough to do a post like this (beside me, to give feedback) is Cast?

Im not angry, or needing peace just moving along and giving some food for thought before i go

when has "big things soon, I promise" been good enough for anyone?

And its more like eat this xp nerf thats going to slowly kill the box while big things are coming.

Im still going to hang around just to see what those big things are, because its going to take some serious acrobatics to make the xp nerf work

Ready to eat my words though, ill delete my lvl60 sham if it brings pop to 400 regularly, and make a youtube video of it

[BigHurb]

wait u use cat litter for your own urination... a jug of cat litter... this thread just delivered

[Tradesonred]

wait u use cat litter for your own urination... a jug of cat litter... this thread just delivered

Wait, you just logged on your other account to make it seem like someone else is cheering your post? Stay dead Cast, for your own sake

[Shaakglith12194]

I have had to switch to diapers because the mere thought of a ban on elf simulator forums has rendered my downstairs uncontrollable

Not Cast, I just saw your wall of insanity and thought there were a few points that could be made more clear and I was laughing my ass off while editing most of your post. I think it's actually shorter than yours was.

[Fame]

wait u use cat litter for your own urination... a jug of cat litter... this thread just delivered

The man's a pioneer

[Tradesonred]

Well i guess durabells gonna be happy to have an excuse to lock this thread

[Juhstin]

Gotcha!

I had written a long post again trying to give insights into what i think is wrong with server direction, Derubael clamping down on criticism and why its laughable hes the one making calls on what gets implemented on a PVP server. Ive later come to the conclusion that the staff and this fine community deserve each other and that most likely youre not interested in my insights. I was gonna make exceptions, but I dont think on his own Deru could start making threats of account banning for staff decision criticism? Had to be green lighted up top right?

I gotta say though, Deru thinking that he could shamelessly lie about the xp nerf and then try to shut down discussion with "Youre imagining things, stop QQing u big QQ babies!", when some of these cave dwellers could tell you if the Efreeti spawn timer is off by 1 minute?

That he thinks its more important to slow xp down so that people learn to pvp than not letting them sit at 52 for a long ass time? For them not to get roflstomped?

This demonstration of how little he understands the community, the game and the server hes making decisions for, that was all comedy gold, thanks for the laughs Durabell!

I had other juicy bits and analysis but i know you dont want to hear it.

A community with half a brain would slam the door on this server in a heartbeat after all this but some of us understand how smart most of these EQ crackheads are, right? I dont mean theyre incapable of thought though, like some uncurable thing, its like theyve been infected with a bunch of internet memes and thats how theyve learned to communicate. Im talking here mostly about forum pop, in-game ratio of morons vs normals goes up a little.

I feel sorry for the few good guys on server who dont read the forums, are just there to have a good time and stuck with that staff and that playerbase. (This wasnt my opinion of the staff until last weeks new rules posts and bans)

On this note, Peace out!

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Ive changed my mind, with the thread title change, so u guys can see why its a good idea to ban me, wall of text incoming

I cannot unfortunatly continue to invest time here as i dont have much faith in the direction the server is taking and getting banned from the forums because im making " a 100 posts about why Deru is wrong" (msg i got with ban) was the last drop. I may be brutally critical but i do it for the betterment of the server, not to "burn it down". I cannot invest my time in a MMO emu where devs are reluctant to hear feedback for the game theyre running while repeating the same mistakes they did many times before because theyre ignoring feedback, again. The server may be free but EQ is a marathon payoff. Ok enjoy the journey but whats the point of building your characters if in the end the boxs gonna be dead because of bad dev decisions? Especially on a pvp box where your fun is not mainly PVEing and you need measures for the pop to stay minimally high. Thats alot of time put in i could be playing other games. So server is free devs, does that mean you wouldnt like it to succeed and grow? Well pay attention more to feedback and it might happen. I also got worried by the post where Durabell says him and Sirken are doing math for the upcoming server changes. Wait, Dura is making math on what gets implemented on the server? I seriously hope hes not part of the process of making calls on important game mechanic stuff considering the quality of his posts on the forums and how little he understands the server and its community.

The day the nerf was announced, there was some good information floating around about why nerfing xp made no sense on forums, amid trash, granted. We had also made the same points pretty much in that other durabell thread a week or 2 before. All the info was there to make a better decision. Just to take one example, how now 52s have to stay much longer at this lower bracket where they are getting pulverized by lvl60s. Its the same story than what it was for xp loss in pvp, its easy to see, 52s gonna get farmed for YT, devs are warned, do what? Take a course of action that ignores the feedback. This is like groundhogs day from the years before where devs took bad decisions when all the feedback was there on the forums for them to make the right ones. Durabells post on forums in a constructive criticism thread was a metaphorical "yes we know you dont like it, were not interested in knowing why you dont like it, the underlying notes being, we know better (although we dont actually play on the box), we dont need your feedback".

The first 18 months of the server or so failed badly because they refused to listen to feedback telling them xp loss in PvP was gonna bleed the semi-casual, new to the game pop away because of griefers, made the box boring and purple because many people didnt wanna take the xp hit when they died so fled every encounter and make zergs sit in raid zones uncontested. Theyre response was basically lawl u guys and your feedback, this isnt Call of Duty. Nihilum being so hard to dethrone now is a consequence of that decision to ignore the feedback we gave them on a silver platter. Now theyre going a step further by explicitely saying they dont care about our feedback, instead of mainly just ignoring it. I know Sirken said otherwise, but durabell also represents the staff and the way he acts, what he posts, thats the message hes sending. Theyre now linking staff decision criticism to account ban threats. I know its meant for people like Cast mainly, but theyre going overboard with this. It should be for people posting gay porn or shit like that and be made crystal clear that youre never, ever losing an account because youre criticizing dev decisions.

I would have stuck around to try to push for xp to be turned back to where it was but with moderation going full retard and the new threat that hangs over our accounts if we dare open our mouths, im gonna cut my losses early and pack my bags. I have a big mouth and have trouble restraining myself saying how i feel so im saving myself some potential grief down the line.

Ive already had my 44 druid account on blue banned by Uthgaard over some stupid power tripping shit years ago, im not going through that again with a GM like durabell around once again, who might take all that time you invested in your character and throw it away because you looked at him funny or being critical of his behavior. Before you say lawls dirty whistle, i petitioned 3 years later and laid out my case and Rogean flagged my thread for GM attention, and it was finally unbanned. So yea, Darubell giving me a week-long forum ban because "im posting hes wrong too many times" probably because i poke fun at his haughty behavior, weighted in my decision to hang my red99 jersey for a while, after bringing back unpleasant memories of getting my blue druid unfairly banned by Uthgaard. Yes, there is some trash on the forums that needs to be taken out. But banning people because theyre posting a GM is wrong too many times, stopping people from posting constructive criticism, instituting a series of clamping down that sends a chill down effect on constructive criticism and discussion, thats garbage too.

GM Derabuel lying to our face, telling the playerbase that they imagined things, to stop QQing, only to announce hours later a major xp nerf. How can you take anything this guy says seriously after that? A quick skim of the forums shows him locking down and deleting constructive threads that dont agree with his position: "Have faith. Also, please stop making XP threads, because I'm just going to delete them" and leaving threads on the subject that agree with his position alone, undeleted and unlocked (That bamzal enjoy the grind journey thread, Faeries thread about accepting XP nerf and for people to stop posting that its making them not log in). If what Kergan said on the forums is true, apparently the GMs said in-game that no xp nerf happened, once again trying to lie to the community.

His post 2 weeks ago on an xp nerf being absolutely necessary, and saying it was his opinion only, not the staff's. So either he was lying to us again, and warming up the community to a change that was already in the works for a long time, like was stated (though his post claimed nothing was set in stone) Or hes really the one in charge with Sirken of game mechanics on red which would be disastrous (I mean Darubell, Sirken i think is allrite, not sure about what he would do to make server grow though). Were talking here about the guy who thinks slowing down xp to make players learn about pvp is more important than those players not staying lvl 52 for a long time, so they dont get roflstomed. Shit, im not even that good at EQ and i know a 52 will get roflstomped by a 60, no matter what. Whats more, they got all that extra time now to gear up till newbies get in range so the gap in power is even wider. Hopefully thats not the person making calls on what gets implemented on PVP servers.

How XP nerf was implemented demonstrates how little some of the GMs understand this community, and demonstrates their contempt and ignorance of the communitys knowledge of the game and the state of the server. They thought they could sneak in an xp nerf this big on the population without them noticing, thats laughable. Some of these cave dwellers would know if you moved the efreeti spawn by a foot. Lying about the nerf, trying to ridicule people who politely asked if the xp had been nerfed as an attempt to close the discussion. When it was obvious they werent gonna sneak that one in they admitted in a post they had lied (not saying this explicitely), never saying ok sorry for trying to deceive you guys. GM Durabell went into damage control mode and started banning vocal critics and deleting or locking threads. The way this was pushed through was unbeleivably unprofessional and conceited. After playing bad cop, GM Durabell then tries to play good cop by posting funny ironic stuff like "Thank you all for your feedback. If you have any other ideas, thoughts, or would just like to rant, feel free to PM me." Yea so youre not allowed to brainstorm on the subject, feel free to waste your time sending me feedback on an issue ive obviously already made up my mind about and that the community or devs wont read and add their own feedback to, so we can figure out the best solution together.

Yeah people like me get heated, but you have to understand alot of time is invested on this server and people can get aggravated over seeing the devs or GMs moving forward unilaterally, not taking feedback into consideration (yet again) with measures that most players beleive will impoverish the server they love playing on, argumenting the reasoning behind their disagreement. Devs and GMs position in a nutshell seems to be "Trust us, were experts, and were not explaining why we think doing something that made the population drop multiple times before is going to make the population go up this time around".

Still, thanks to Rogean and Nilbog, the staff for making server happen, just wish you would listen to feedback more, because obviously you need it (especially on who you pick as GMs) and the forum wasnt dangerously sliding down to a place where criticism isnt welcomed. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security" and all that crap. If you are not willing to trust or take in consideration the feedback from the playerbase at face value, then have internal testers check that feedback out. But you should stop having people like GM Durabell who obviously dont play on the server making ill-advised, misinformed decisions on what the server needs to expand its playerbase and heavy handedly shutting down discussion on the forums. I think the sad truth is they give close to 0 fucks about our feedback. They just implement changes when people complain loudly for a long time on the forums and they finally realize they did something wrong

tl;dr

Holy novel.

[Smedy]

hate to say it but


did


not


read

[rollin5k]

i'll summarize : Tradesonred is not happy with stock xp or "the way it was implemented"

[Tassador]

Trades please broham seek salvation far from pixel land. The care factor on the books you have published on these forums show how unhealthy you have become. Get laid get healthy come back clean bro!!! Will miss you...

[Tradesonred]

Workin on my red99 Ph.D lol

[Pudge]

Agree with trades, this was handled/implemented horribly. I too am waiting for our big surprise, that will make us understand why they would make the barrier to entry for newbs so high.

[Bamz4l]

ya id hate to imagine people having to play this game, like literally play it

[Tradesonred]

ya id hate to imagine people having to play this game, like literally play it

Thats not the point Bamzal, if the server was rebooted then... Id... you know... Forget it.

[Kazi]

Lol now I'm convinced Faerie is a massive meta troll.

[Lojik]

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Think ur keyboard is broken m8

[Kazi]

Let me quote what you said so you can reread it and see why some might think you're just a troll or at best a sycophant.

These are the same devs that worked hard to remove our compasses, and nerfed druid/bard track into uselessness even though they know they're going to un-nerf it later on. That they removed some of the insane xp bonus is a good sign. They're paying attention to us!

Please don't scare them away again, guys. We need this.

Nice job questioning my commitment to EQ. Is that the best you can do to people who disagree with you?

[Tradesonred]

Think ur keyboard is broken m8

Chappelle told the crowd he knew why they liked his sketch-comedy show: "Because it's good. You know why my show is good? Because the network officials say you're not smart enough to get what I'm doing, and every day I fight for you. I tell them how smart you are. Turns out, I was wrong.

"You people are stupid."

[Tecmos Deception]

Leveling is supposed to take a long time in EQ.

Pretty sure double the current XP rate would still result in 1-60 taking "a long time." :p

[Kergan]

Except no.

Leveling is supposed to take a long time in EQ. It's a good thing, because it makes people actually care about their characters, allows for individual reputation to actually matter, encourages social play and helps to re-create that sense of awe we used to have when playing. Just to name a few reasons, there are plenty more.

Leveling is an important part of classic EQ. If you're not into EverQuest, why are you here?

Curious how much time you've put into leveling in these new conditions?

[heartbrand]

I have no issue with classic EXP. I do have issue with classic EXP, introduced 2.5 years into a server where almost all the active players are 60 already under the prior 2+ year exp bonus, where there are on average 2-3 people in your level range you could even conceivably group with, and where there are barely any new players rolling on a daily basis.

[Andis]

I have no issue with classic EXP. I do have issue with classic EXP, introduced 2.5 years into a server where almost all the active players are 60 already under the prior 2+ year exp bonus, where there are on average 2-3 people in your level range you could even conceivably group with, and where there are barely any new players rolling on a daily basis.

exp rate good

less chars to get in RD, less chars to go to nihi

I approve of this exp nerf.

[Kazi]

Lol ^^^

It's true, though. Why would a naturally risk averse person get to 52 at current xp rate where each level takes a week to get through minimum and that's without a wall of 60s chomping at the bits to grief them off the server? But pras classic eq rabble rabble

[Kazi]

Sirken, the toxic community is already level 60, bro.

[Andis]

trades, i stopped reading your post after the first sentence because i have a hard time reading things that just arent true.

Derubael does not single handedly make changes to the red server, and to blame him for things as if he is doing these things is flat out wrong. Derubael is probably the one person on staff that didnt want to take away the xp bonus, but everyone else (myself included) said it needed to go.

there are two choices here, force people to actually grind through 1-50, develop a low and mid level community over time, or, just say fuck it, let everyone start with lvl 50 toons, and rename the server "Project1999:Call of Duty".

that being said, if you dont like it, it seems you know where the door is. R99 is changing and will continue to change. sadly this means a lot of the players that enjoy the current atmosphere will probably quit due to a lack of enjoyment. and i'm fine with that, because over time it will create a much less toxic community of people that are here to play everquest with pvp turned on.

things are gonna get worse before they get better.

<3
Sirks

pras sirken

long live pvp server
long live yt

[Tradesonred]

Derubael is probably the one person on staff that didnt want to take away the xp bonus, but everyone else (myself included) said it needed to go.

So why did he make a long post argumenting for an xp nerf, saying it was absolutely needed on red, if he was against it? Like 2 weeks prior to the nerf?

[Tecmos Deception]

trades, i stopped reading your post after the first sentence because i have a hard time reading things that just arent true.

Derubael does not single handedly make changes to the red server, and to blame him for things as if he is doing these things is flat out wrong. Derubael is probably the one person on staff that didnt want to take away the xp bonus, but everyone else (myself included) said it needed to go.

there are two choices here, force people to actually grind through 1-50, develop a low and mid level community over time, or, just say fuck it, let everyone start with lvl 50 toons, and rename the server "Project1999:Call of Duty".

that being said, if you dont like it, it seems you know where the door is. R99 is changing and will continue to change. sadly this means a lot of the players that enjoy the current atmosphere will probably quit due to a lack of enjoyment. and i'm fine with that, because over time it will create a much less toxic community of people that are here to play everquest with pvp turned on.

things are gonna get worse before they get better.

<3
Sirks

New here obviously, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. But "well if we're gonna have an xp bonus, we might as well just make everyone 50 for COD!!!" is about as sensible as "well if we wanna have a low-level community, we might as well just turn off xp entirely!!!"

[Tecmos Deception]

How exactly does an xp bonus encourage solo play? How does a lack of an xp bonus mean classes that can solo will suddenly prefer to hunt down and pair up with group-reliant classes?

[Tradesonred]

I mean by this point im just sticking around out of sheer morbid curiosity.

I dont really want to argue with anyone about it, my feedback was written a week ago, i just copy pasted it. If you had taken the time to read my feedback though, you would have seen that im more askin questions about whos making calls on red than saying for sure its derubael. My point was that if its mainly Deru, server is in trouble.

I just feel you kinda owe the community an explanation as to why you think xp nerf will work where it didnt all those other times. What is the big deal with Derubael saying Ok look, it looks bad but look at the changes that are coming, see, xp nerf isnt so bad when you view it in conjunction with this other stuff. Yes its free but yes people do invest alot of time on their characters and staff should be respectful of that.

[Fame]

fuck it, let everyone start with lvl 50 toons, and rename the server "Project1999:Call of Duty".



Do the right thing sirken and salvage what little respect the community still has for you

[Sirken]

Do the right thing sirken and salvage what little respect the community still has for you

buddy, if i gave any shits what this community thought of me, id have hung myself a long time ago.

[Fame]

Was worth a shot, I want a 50 warrior lol

[Sirken]

xp bonus encouraged solo play because even if you liked to group and made a group of friends you could easily pass them in the level game. If they have to search for a group every time they want to xp, and you log on and solo for a while, that is a huge advantage. When solo classes are getting increased xp at times other classes are getting 0 xp... yeah.

The lack of an xp bonus will curb the advantage the solo classes have a bit, but is obviously only a piece of the overall solution.

and for the record, no one is saying nothing is coming in terms of xp, all we're saying is that the base global rate was way too high (its STILL much higher than blue is). but i wouldnt rule out some form of bonus(es) that rewarded group/community/social play at the lower-mid levels.

as far as 50+, if it was solely up to me 51-60 would be same exact xp rate as blue.

<3

[Sektor]

Should have xp bonus every other weekend. 500%

[Kazi]

The GMs are pro at fostering that us vs them atmosphere. Do you even play here?

[Tradesonred]

I have no issue with classic EXP. I do have issue with classic EXP, introduced 2.5 years into a server where almost all the active players are 60 already under the prior 2+ year exp bonus, where there are on average 2-3 people in your level range you could even conceivably group with, and where there are barely any new players rolling on a daily basis.

Thats the thing, its been said a bunch of times but staff dont get it cuz they dont play here and have no perspective.

[Dacuk]

and for the record, no one is saying nothing is coming in terms of xp, all we're saying is that the base global rate was way too high (its STILL much higher than blue is). but i wouldnt rule out some form of bonus(es) that rewarded group/community/social play at the lower-mid levels.

as far as 50+, if it was solely up to me 51-60 would be same exact xp rate as blue.

<3

Sirken,

my current understanding is that the xp rate 50+ on red currently is the same as blue. also, based on transferring characters to the velious beta, it seems like my xp rate moves about the same (full group chain killing with charm pet in efreeti on red was generating the same xp as a full group chain killing with charm pet in velketor, which was about 3-4% an hour at lvl 54, if anything the velk xp was a tad better). this experience contradicts that red 50+ xp is easier than blue. do you have any hard data to help us understand what the case actually is?

[Tradesonred]

Lol ^^^

It's true, though. Why would a naturally risk averse person get to 52 at current xp rate where each level takes a week to get through minimum and that's without a wall of 60s chomping at the bits to grief them off the server? But pras classic eq rabble rabble

lol dont rip on andis, hes just trollin the staff for some potential easy YTs, cuz thats so much more important than a healthy box.

[HippoNipple]

there are two choices here, force people to actually grind through 1-50, develop a low and mid level community over time, or, just say fuck it, let everyone start with lvl 50 toons, and rename the server "Project1999:Call of Duty".

Sirks

Dang those are the only two options you guys could think of? Nothing between classic grind on a stale old server and giving players level 50's at character creation and renaming the server after a FPS?

Looks like you guys need some help from me in the think tank.

[Bamz4l]

I mean by this point im just sticking around out of sheer morbid obesity..

ftfy

[Tradesonred]

Its cuz theyre trying to fix shit without a clean start, as if the current state of the server did not matter. Theorycrafting without taking into account the state of the server, the non-existent groups, the kind of griefy playerbase you have waiting for those 52s, etc, etc...

All they had to do was to leave the xp as it was, wait for the velious buzz to come on, let people advertise server on other gaming forums, boom potential 500+ pop and then maybe nerf the xp as an experiment, once the pop is there at the low levels..

But NOOOOOOOOOO u had to be QUAID!

http://admin.highdefdigest.com/picture/original/31633

[Shaakglith12194]

boom potential 500+ pop

500 pop? You're living in one helluva fantasy world and I'm not talking about Norrath.

[sprinkle16]

12 pages , not reading

didn't you quit like 35 times? people who quit just quit

they don't write a book on why everyone should do what they say

[AmukTZ]

Completely agree. Since the nerf and the lieing about the nerf i havent logged in. Better things to do.

[Squire]

of the core group of fellow 6 newbs i met and grouped with regularly somewhere in between decaying skeletons and mistmoore, 4 havent logged in since the exp nerf or very shortly thereafter.

[Azure]

If this is what happens when tradesonred goes postal.

PLEASE dear god ... please reduce exp even further. Do it in increments so he incrementally gets more postal.

This is the best posting I've seen yet from him....


I mean FUCKING ARNALD IN A TIME MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW

[Kergan]

there are two choices here, force people to actually grind through 1-50, develop a low and mid level community over time, or, just say fuck it, let everyone start with lvl 50 toons, and rename the server "Project1999:Call of Duty".


It is here that you have a fundamental flaw in your logic. There isn't a single person who is saying "whoa they nerfed exp, NOW I'm going to start on red". You're trying to foster a community that does not exist. Create the community first, then do what it takes to keep them. Furthermore, is it your honest opinion that leveling here despite HUGE disadvantages compared to blue (you get PK'd for starters, but no AE groups is another huge one) was so easy that there might as well be no leveling at all? It was still taking 2+ months for a semi serious player to hit 60.

And another thing, I try to keep a pretty level head here. But your posts are often times borderline inflammatory. It's like you are trying to push peoples buttons and enjoy the reactions. We as players (and I assume, you as staff) are trying to grow a community. Like it or not your posts carry weight. We've talked about how forums can be toxic and drive players away even, why would you address people who have put in countless hours in the way you consistently do? Sure, this is your server. You can tell us whatever you want and act in any manor you please and none of us can do jack shit about it.

None of us want an adversarial relationship with you or any staff member, but quite frankly we are the ones with everything to lose if this server implodes on itself. When the community as a whole reacts in a very strong and opposite manner to a change you would do well do respect the consensus opinion, at least to the point of opening dialogue instead of just saying "if you don't like it quit". It's is just very demoralizing to read posts like this from staff members. It makes me feel like my opinion no matter how well worded and representative of the general community means nothing to you.

[vouss]

Read a paragraph of the first post and it said enough, lol ecoli

[Kraftwerk]

I prefer "Project1999:Elf Counter-Strike" and vote yes to Sirken's idea that everyone starts at lvl 50.

[Clark]

buddy, if i gave any shits what this community thought of me, id have hung myself a long time ago.

lol

[Tradesonred]

It is here that you have a fundamental flaw in your logic. There isn't a single person who is saying "whoa they nerfed exp, NOW I'm going to start on red". You're trying to foster a community that does not exist. Create the community first, then do what it takes to keep them. Furthermore, is it your honest opinion that leveling here despite HUGE disadvantages compared to blue (you get PK'd for starters, but no AE groups is another huge one) was so easy that there might as well be no leveling at all? It was still taking 2+ months for a semi serious player to hit 60.

And another thing, I try to keep a pretty level head here. But your posts are often times borderline inflammatory. It's like you are trying to push peoples buttons and enjoy the reactions. We as players (and I assume, you as staff) are trying to grow a community. Like it or not your posts carry weight. We've talked about how forums can be toxic and drive players away even, why would you address people who have put in countless hours in the way you consistently do? Sure, this is your server. You can tell us whatever you want and act in any manor you please and none of us can do jack shit about it.

None of us want an adversarial relationship with you or any staff member, but quite frankly we are the ones with everything to lose if this server implodes on itself. When the community as a whole reacts in a very strong and opposite manner to a change you would do well do respect the consensus opinion, at least to the point of opening dialogue instead of just saying "if you don't like it quit". It's is just very demoralizing to read posts like this from staff members. It makes me feel like my opinion no matter how well worded and representative of the general community means nothing to you.

Everything but the none of us part, there is quite a bit of trolls (and morons) around here

[HippoNipple]

It is here that you have a fundamental flaw in your logic. There isn't a single person who is saying "whoa they nerfed exp, NOW I'm going to start on red". You're trying to foster a community that does not exist. Create the community first, then do what it takes to keep them. Furthermore, is it your honest opinion that leveling here despite HUGE disadvantages compared to blue (you get PK'd for starters, but no AE groups is another huge one) was so easy that there might as well be no leveling at all? It was still taking 2+ months for a semi serious player to hit 60.

And another thing, I try to keep a pretty level head here. But your posts are often times borderline inflammatory. It's like you are trying to push peoples buttons and enjoy the reactions. We as players (and I assume, you as staff) are trying to grow a community. Like it or not your posts carry weight. We've talked about how forums can be toxic and drive players away even, why would you address people who have put in countless hours in the way you consistently do? Sure, this is your server. You can tell us whatever you want and act in any manor you please and none of us can do jack shit about it.

None of us want an adversarial relationship with you or any staff member, but quite frankly we are the ones with everything to lose if this server implodes on itself. When the community as a whole reacts in a very strong and opposite manner to a change you would do well do respect the consensus opinion, at least to the point of opening dialogue instead of just saying "if you don't like it quit". It's is just very demoralizing to read posts like this from staff members. It makes me feel like my opinion no matter how well worded and representative of the general community means nothing to you.

Sirken and the staff like to take the Steve Jobs approach to not caring what the public thinks because they are too stupid to know what is good for them. It worked great for Apple but the missing element with Red99 are brilliant people willing to put in hard work. It doesn't work when you have no idea what the people want and don't care what the people say they want.

[Kergan]

Apple consistently did things they said they'd never do when the public demand for it became strong enough. However, they are a company driven by a bottom line. The staff here are volunteers, people "taking their business" elsewhere isn't an issue. Pretty sure any CEO would be gone pretty quick if he/she said "if you don't like our product, buy one from our competitor", even Jobs (RIP). We aren't treated like customers here because we aren't customers.

But just because the staff is under no obligation to shareholders doesn't mean opinions should be discarded, or belittled in many cases recently. I'm not a dick to people in my daily life not because I can't be, but because I choose not to be. The way this entire XP change went down was pretty insulting to the players here. If you felt the change was necessary, so be it. But why come here with the "less QQ, more pew pew" and "if you don't like it quit" stuff? What possible purpose does it serve to act that way.

[HippoNipple]

Apple consistently did things they said they'd never do when the public demand for it became strong enough. However, they are a company driven by a bottom line. The staff here are volunteers, people "taking their business" elsewhere isn't an issue. Pretty sure any CEO would be gone pretty quick if he/she said "if you don't like our product, buy one from our competitor", even Jobs (RIP). We aren't treated like customers here because we aren't customers.

But just because the staff is under no obligation to shareholders doesn't mean opinions should be discarded, or belittled in many cases recently. I'm not a dick to people in my daily life not because I can't be, but because I choose not to be. The way this entire XP change went down was pretty insulting to the players here. If you felt the change was necessary, so be it. But why come here with the "less QQ, more pew pew" and "if you don't like it quit" stuff? What possible purpose does it serve to act that way.

Companies don't come out and say bad things about their customers but Steve Jobs was quoted that they would never do surveys or market research to find out what the consumers wanted because he didn't think they knew what they wanted.

It is an arrogant business model that only works if you are innovative, hard working and a genius. I was just laughing at the comparison between them and the red99 staff as they take on the same model of not caring what the peons say they want.

[Azure]

I prefer "Project1999:Elf Counter-Strike" and vote yes to Sirken's idea that everyone starts at lvl 50.

Just make it a command so those that want to level legit still can. The people who /bitchbuff should get a tag or star nexto their name so everyone knows they didn't level legit.

[Lojik]

Companies don't come out and say bad things about their customers but Steve Jobs was quoted that they would never do surveys or market research to find out what the consumers wanted because he didn't think they knew what they wanted.

It is an arrogant business model that only works if you are innovative, hard working and a genius. I was just laughing at the comparison between them and the red99 staff as they take on the same model of not caring what the peons say they want.

Lol, most companies also don't have a small client base that has a high percentage of drug dependency/mental disorders and an ability to post ridiculous shit in presence of all other customers and many new potential customers (bluebies.) The project is also non-profit and the staff unpaid, so yeah.

Honestly think people here are just QQing to get exp back cause they want to grind faster (wahh I'm not logging in until you change the XP back.) I don't really think any of these people give two shits about the server, they're just acting like little kids trying to get what they want. If the staff gives in and gives back the ridiculous exp bonus it just sets a bad precedent for more whining.

[rollin5k]

Am i missing something . Since when is this a business

[Azure]

Steve jobs was a moran, his business model failed and he died of cancer. Ipads suck fucking hard.

Format, and install UBUNTU = win.

[Tradesonred]

Honestly think people here are just QQing to get exp back cause they want to grind faster (wahh I'm not logging in until you change the XP back.) I don't really think any of these people give two shits about the server, they're just acting like little kids trying to get what they want. If the staff gives in and gives back the ridiculous exp bonus it just sets a bad precedent for more whining.

Criticism labeled as QQ, thats one of the mental infections i was talking about

[HippoNipple]

Steve jobs was a moran, his business model failed and he died of cancer. Ipads suck fucking hard.

Format, and install UBUNTU = win.

You are comparing something he created a long time ago to shit coming out now. It isn't his fault Apple couldn't keep the momentum coming with innovation. Steve Jobs, whether you like Apple products or not (I don't), was not an idiot.

[Lojik]

Whining labeled as criticism, thats one of the mental infections i was talking about

Lol like 1/2 your wall of text was about staff (Derubael in particular) being internet bullies. You can't even bother to spell his name right most of the time, why should the staff (or anyone for that matter) take your complaints seriously?

[Tradesonred]

Lol like 1/2 your wall of text was about staff (Derubael in particular) being internet bullies. You can't even bother to spell his name right most of the time, why should the staff (or anyone for that matter) take your complaints seriously?

lol

Thats was durabells point, too

[Lojik]

lol

Thats was durabells point, too

I think that there are things they can change to red to help keep people here, (mainly change the pvp range to only four levels at 60) but I really don't think a massive XP bonus is gonna do it. Think also, if someone starts new and you give them tons of free shit and massively PL them, I don't think they're gonna stick around long cause they don't have much else to look forward to, unless they're the type of personality that continually likes to troll/cockblock people.

Also mentioned a lot here is the huge proportion of 60's to the rest of the pop...so how is getting more people to 60 gonna fix that problem? I personally think the best part of EQ is the progression 1-60. It can get frustrating at 54+ (52 it sounds like here) so if we can either cut out or smooth that barrier to enjoyment I think that's what we have to look at. I think if they change the pvp range 51+ to four levels and give a group xp bonus 51+ that would be a pretty good start.

Also, it's not so much what you say but how you say it.

[Tradesonred]

Doesnt matter how i say it, if its true, its true

I had a twinked out rogue with a regen item and still it was slow... before the nerf

Problem isnt classic xp its that theres no one to group with and EQ is boring alone most of the times, hence why people say xp was ok since it got you to where the pop was in a reasonable amount of time

Blablabla imagine a naked noob alone blablabla for the 23rd time

[Azure]

Doesnt matter how i say it, if its true, its true

I had a twinked out rogue with a regen item and still it was slow... before the nerf

Problem isnt classic xp its that theres no one to group with and EQ is boring alone most of the times, hence why people say xp was ok since it got you to where the pop was in a reasonable amount of time

Blablabla imagine a naked noob alone blablabla for the 23rd time

Actually yes it does. I've said things time and time again and people don't listen, make fun of me. Than a week or month later some neckbeard says it in neckbeard speek and than we have 25 threads a day about it.

How you say things does matter. Unless you just DGAF and your coming here to vent your own mental diarrhea.

You sound very angry/mad trades especially at the staff. They don't deserve it. U should love this project and the staff for doing all they have done. Even if you really are sad about the change to EXP.

Please realize also that you don't speak for the community. Stop trying to tell the staff what the community wants. Frame things as "Me, I" "you" and "your'e" and "we" is appropriate but not in the contexts that you're using it <--- see what I did there?

[Tradesonred]

Actually yes it does. I've said things time and time again and people don't listen, make fun of me. Than a week or month later some neckbeard says it in neckbeard speek and than we have 25 threads a day about it.

How you say things does matter. Unless you just DGAF and your coming here to vent your own mental diarrhea.

You sound very angry/mad trades especially at the staff. They don't deserve it. U should love this project and the staff for doing all they have done. Even if you really are sad about the change to EXP.

Please realize also that you don't speak for the community. Stop trying to tell the staff what the community wants. Frame things as "Me, I" "you" and "your'e" and "we" is appropriate but not in the contexts that you're using it <--- see what I did there?

Thats your opinion, i was here from day 1, im ready to argue for every point i brought up in my wall of text. point me to examples of "mental diarrhea" so we can pick it apart.

I dont think its a stretch to say im speaking for the community when i say that xp nerf is a bad idea. Yeah theres a few that might like the change, but its rare.

[Derubael]

We responded within the first 48 hours of the announcement of the xp nerf. Here are some quotes:

Have faith ... big things coming to red99

For right now, that is being looked into. A % modifier per group member being added is a likely scenario, as well as an overall change to the scaling modifier (either changing the scale to 1-60, or setting it as a static % bonus from 1-60).

We will continue to look at XP on red, and further modifications may be made in the near future.

Derubael and I are doing math atm. things have been, and will continue to be changing ... i think many of you will understand and probably appreciate the changes once they are all in place and the reasoning is explained.

So, it's not that we aren't giving information, it's that we aren't giving the information you want. We aren't going to reveal these changes until we are ready. You can either have faith, trust in the staff, and believe that we have the box's best intentions in our tiny XP-grinch hearts, or you can leave. Kicking and screaming about it is literally going to do nothing to speed progress, get you a more detailed answer, or get your insane XP mod back.

So yes, trust us and stay, or don't believe us and go, it doesn't really matter to us.

[Mac Dretti]

I believe.

http://moviecitynews.com/archived/columnists/poland/archives/et490.jpg

[Juhstin]

Was totally expecting Trades to be banned by now.

[Tradesonred]

See Derubael, thats much better than "Less imagined QQ, more pew pew"

Still, everyone that played here for a while saw xp nerf bring the population down

Reticence should be expected

Im not questioning your intentions, myself. Just dont think you and the staff have the perspective needed to understand the server since i would bet my left hand none of you ever leveled a character to 52 on red. Thats allrite, but you need to keep your ears opened. Implementing good mechanics on red without playing on it could be done, but you guys have a track record of being bad at it.

Ill be happy to see myself proven wrong though. Although lots of these trolls think im QQing because i want a fast xp grind, i have the servers best interest at heart as well. Im viewing this as if i was sitting down at my job at Ubisoft and some dev asked me for honest feedback.

[Fame]

4 of the last 7 noobs I met asked me if the corruption was real, you tell me.

[Mac Dretti]

See Derubael, thats much better than "Less imagined QQ, more pew pew"

Still, everyone that played here for a while saw xp nerf bring the population down

Reticence should be expected

I wish exp loss was in so I could bind camp u

[Azure]

You just attacked the staff again who owe you no explanations or anything. If Derubael posts an internet meme, don't commit suicide plz.

[Fame]

largely comprised of "toxic" players

This is bullshit and you know it

[Tradesonred]

Faerie is probably the best troll that ever graced the pages of the red99 forums

Its not the "hey, eat this gay porn image after i posted a misleading thread title"

Much more subtle

[Tradesonred]

See Derubael, thats much better than "Less imagined QQ, more pew pew"

Still, everyone that played here for a while saw xp nerf bring the population down

Reticence should be expected

Im not questioning your intentions, myself. Just dont think you and the staff have the perspective needed to understand the server since i would bet my left hand none of you ever leveled a character to 52 on red. Thats allrite, but you need to keep your ears opened. Implementing good mechanics on red without playing on it could be done, but you guys have a track record of being bad at it.

Ill be happy to see myself proven wrong though. Although lots of these trolls think im QQing because i want a fast xp grind, i have the servers best interest at heart as well. Im viewing this as if i was sitting down at my job at Ubisoft and some dev asked me for honest feedback.

Thatll be my last comment for a while, not alot to discuss really till they update the masterplan

[Derubael]

i would bet my left hand none of you ever leveled a character to 52 on red.

Put your left hand on the table sir.

4 of the last 7 noobs I met asked me if the corruption was real, you tell me.

:confused:

korruption?

[Tradesonred]

Put your left hand on the table sir.


Well, you could have fooled me with stuff like slowing down the grind to get players to learn to pvp more important than leaving 52s to get farmed long time for YT by 60s.

Theres far enough time to learn how to PVP on the way up with the pre-nerf xp, all thats missing is the population to pvp with.

[Sheriff]

What has to happened (I.e. Velious release) for changes to be announced? This isn't as fun with less pop and less groups as a "casual" player.

[Mac Dretti]

KURUPT YOUNG GOTTI

DOG POUND GANGSTA

[Kazi]

Faerie, how can you say the xp nerf was a good thing (without some other implementation) when you basically admitted the entire toxic play base is already level 60? It hurts no one but the new players who find themselves at end game facing a huge slog to actually be able to compete with a group of 60s who think getting YT on lvl 52s means something. Literally does nothing to hurt the toxic players.

[Lojik]

Doesnt matter how i say it, if its true, its true


See Derubael, thats much better than "Less imagined QQ, more pew pew"

Thatll be my last comment for a while, not alot to discuss really till they update the masterplan

http://hangoutgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/google-hangouts-eye-roll-gif.gif

[Tradesonred]

http://hangoutgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/google-hangouts-eye-roll-gif.gif

I meant its better than lying

Thanks for playing though

[Lojik]

I meant its better than lying

Thanks for playing though

Thatll be my last comment for a while, not alot to discuss really till they update the masterplan

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1228226/double-facepalm-o.gif

[Tradesonred]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1228226/double-facepalm-o.gif

Didnt see that one coming

http://www.onfrozenblog.com/files/2007/11/kneejerk2.jpg

[Lojik]

Didnt see that one coming

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4692305152/h01784146/

[Azure]

I like my new sig, Derubael. :P

[Danien]

Not gonna lie trades, I've never seen anyone use such an absurd amount of words to say so little.

[harnold]

The best thing to do at this point is a server wipe, and its not an unreasonable request. The server mechanics have changed so much since launch that it is almost an entirely new pvp server with all max level toons. The staff believes that wiping the server will drive most players away but I believe the opposite will happen as I know for sure many people would play. You can take a look at the Uthgard population when their server goes back up after their wipe, and that is with a competing server (while p99 has absolutely no competition). Uthgard has been around far longer then p99 and they are doing the right thing. P99 staff should really try to look at their decisions from other angles and recognize that the blue server was a success but the red server is a failure and that is due to the constantly changing mechanics/no player feedback being taken seriously from the staff.

The pros and cons of a server wipe should be seriously weighed and considered by the staff. A server wipe is not always a bad thing nor should a wipe be considered shameful for the staff. It should be simply viewed as shutting down the failed server and relaunching the better, fixed, pvp server that we should have had from the beginning.

Like I said, the server has changed so much since the start and a fresh start is what is needed to fix this mess.

[Bazia]

We gave up the "70% of the people who started here quit because of no NPC assist and insane griefing in towns so you should wipe it and relaunch" campaign about a year and a half ago.

All mentioning a wipe does is invite Sirken to come troll you.

[Galacticus]

You got it all wrong.

Let me explain....

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/869/869016/h2o-salesman-mad-max-beyond-thunderdome-20080423045309935-000.jpg



This is Rogean's project and nothing is done without his personal approval.

While Sirken and Derub give us their opinions and what they think, the truth is that they don't know whats next and don't have the power to change the server.

If they want something really bad and Rogean says no way- its not going to happen. So there is no point in blaming them for saying what they said or what they aren't saying.

Your talking to the public relations for the president. Rogean is our Obama and the commander in chief. If someone disagrees with Obama he doesn't second guess himself, he is the one in charge.

They can't tell us what is planned because they don't want us to know yet or they haven't decided yet.

Rogean said months ago that the exp was already too high and that it needed to be adjusted and just didn't get around to it. He finally did.

Does it suck, does it make people leave, does it matter?

No. Why? Red is just not a priority. Nothing is lost that cant be regained.

Nothing is lost that cant be regained.

Nothing is lost that cant be regained.

This game is what draws people here and keeps them playing.

They could put -300% exp modifier and people will still play here.

They could shut it down and ban everyone for 6 months, and 6 months later the server will still have the same people logging in to play.

If Rogean thinks that less exp will build a better community and it doesnt work, he can always still just raise the exp back up to 400% and people will come back.


Races of norath head this call:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3363463/beyond-thunderdome-o.gif

TL : DR - Who runs barter town? Rogean. Say. Rogean. Say Loud! Rogean! Louder! Rogean runs barter town!

[ClubnRed]

Its just like any private server, you have a select group of people running the server playing incognito non-stop, People who are enemys are actually friends playing a political role adding drama while the real scene unfolds in the back. Tin tin tin, rin tin tin.

[Clark]

TLDR holy shit.

[Azure]

I appreciate rogean doing something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN_7roQpxG8), ya'know, cause he's always doing stuff, for once, even if its an EXP decrease

[Tradesonred]

TLDR holy shit.

lol such a contrast to hop from twitter to here

erhmagod, paragraphs

[Sirken]

New here obviously, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. But "well if we're gonna have an xp bonus, we might as well just make everyone 50 for COD!!!" is about as sensible as "well if we wanna have a low-level community, we might as well just turn off xp entirely!!!"

hi tecmos, welcome to red. protip #1 dont take anything u read here personally, even when it comes from staff. that being said, i know you well enough to know that you know i know theres more than two choices. the CoD comment is because thats what 90% of the R99 forum community wants. they want to log in at 50 or 60 with epics, guises, spells, weapons, and get to cracking heads. the staff wants an actual community of people that are here to actually play everquest. we want people to care about their characters and accounts because of how much time they have already invested.

With super fast xp you can never have a 1-50 community because no one stays there long enough. unless a bunch of people join the server at the same time, they cant level together because taking a few days off the rest of them will leave you behind, starting a week after a player you cant group with them, and leveling so fast that casters cant even afford their lvl appropriate spells.

now with all that being said, i will say that i believe the pvp level range must be adjusted to +/- 4 levels with the closer to classic xp.

i'd also like to see the xp that was recently removed be replaced as some kind of an accumulating group bonus that grew higher with the amount of people in the group, as it would encourage full 6 man groups.

[Potus]

With super fast xp you can never have a 1-50 community because no one stays there long enough. unless a bunch of people join the server at the same time, they cant level together because taking a few days off the rest of them will leave you behind, starting a week after a player you cant group with them, and leveling so fast that casters cant even afford their lvl appropriate spells.

I want to believe you, but that's a complete fable. I've seen zero people complain about this, and you have to be a giant moron to not be able to afford your spells. If I outleveled my friend I'd probably just plevel them to within range of me.

Considering you keep talking about bumping group exp and haven't done it, yet the server has been nerfed and there's now zero people playing 1-50, I'm likely to think you just wanted to nerf exp.

[Sirken]

Sirken and the staff like to take the Steve Jobs approach to not caring what the public thinks because they are too stupid to know what is good for them.
Sig Worthy ^

The best thing to do at this point is a server wipe, and its not an unreasonable request. other words.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22500000/Agent-Smith-in-The-Matrix-agent-smith-22575665-560-240.gif

[Sirken]

Its just like any private server, you have a select group of people running the server playing incognito non-stop, People who are enemys are actually friends playing a political role adding drama while the real scene unfolds in the back. Tin tin tin, rin tin tin.

yep. you caught us. since the jig is up, i might as well fulfill my role as the bad guy and reveal the master plan.

Rogean is Lite, Nilbog is Nizzar, Sirken is Heartbrand, Derubael is Smedy, Ambrotos is Gyno, Zade is Colgate, and Eunomia is Platlord.

[Tradesonred]

we want people to care about their characters and accounts because of how much time they have already invested.


My played is 57 days on my sham and i stopped playing for huge chunks of times since red was launched, like at least 1.5 years hiatus total.

Havent even started to gear my 60 sham properly

I have a 45 druid and a 30 chanter

Thats alot of time invested, and im nowhere close to what some of the people here must be investing in their characters


With super fast xp you can never have a 1-50 community because no one stays there long enough. unless a bunch of people join the server at the same time, they cant level together because taking a few days off the rest of them will leave you behind, starting a week after a player you cant group with them, and leveling so fast that casters cant even afford their lvl appropriate spells.

Again super fast xp is your perspective on things, not everyone has a PL crew behind them and even then i remember the hours that i got PLd by Nizzars monk wasnt lightning fast.

So you would like, a week after a player starts, to still be in grouping range of a level 1-4, thats the benchmark?

Staff interaction mostly feels like something they have to put up with to shut us up frankly, instead of being a serious discussion. Like you telling me Derubael was the only one to oppose Xp nerf when he did a long post argumenting that xp nerf was absolutely necessary on red 2-3 weeks before, what was that about.

I almost cant blame you for trying the ignore the forums as much as possible because theres alot of fucking idiots here but its up to the staff to set an example and set the bar high.

-----

To me bottom line was that its impossible by now the staff wouldnt know what would happen to the pop if they nerfed xp without other measures to prevent population loss

The only reason i got motivated to log back in after 8 months or so of not playing was that server was regularly hitting 150+ and i could see it snowballing up with Velious launch, with work put in by people like Heartbrand to have some blues jump ship from that blue rotation system.

Its been 2 weeks the server has been draining population with no extra measures taken to prevent it btw, each player that stops logging in might not ever come back

Tell us more about not caring about time invested when youre that careless with the fate of the server

Staff might not care if people start leaving but im sure people whove invested alot of time in their characters do, people like me

[Tradesonred]

So putting my tin foil hat on, theres the possibility that theres something going on behind the scenes with Rogean putting red server out of legend status coincidentally as measures are applied to red that drains the population away and they actually want red to die. Its probably not that but youre making it real hard for me not to engage in theorycrafting it.

[Derubael]

question.

if rogean wanted red to die, why wouldn't he just shut off the box?

[Tradesonred]

question.

if rogean wanted red to die, why wouldn't he just shut off the box?

I said I put my tin foil hat on, its nowhere near on top of the list of things i think are happening with the server.

Keeping the tin foil hat on for fun, because it would put shades on everything he tries to do afterwards unless he would go out of his way to hide who he was. Oh sure, lets invest time on a Rogean server, so he pulls the plug on it out of the blue again, good idea.

Server hits 20 pop regularly though, then you can insert "Look guys we tried everything to bring the population up, even nerfing xp badly, its not working out. Thanks for playing, sorry but were calling it a day for red99"

[Tradesonred]

So any news on whats in store to prevent more population drain Deru?

[Azure]

hi tecmos, welcome to red. protip #1 dont take anything u read here personally, even when it comes from staff. that being said, i know you well enough to know that you know i know theres more than two choices. the CoD comment is because thats what 90% of the R99 forum community wants. they want to log in at 50 or 60 with epics, guises, spells, weapons, and get to cracking heads. the staff wants an actual community of people that are here to actually play everquest. we want people to care about their characters and accounts because of how much time they have already invested.

With super fast xp you can never have a 1-50 community because no one stays there long enough. unless a bunch of people join the server at the same time, they cant level together because taking a few days off the rest of them will leave you behind, starting a week after a player you cant group with them, and leveling so fast that casters cant even afford their lvl appropriate spells.

now with all that being said, i will say that i believe the pvp level range must be adjusted to +/- 4 levels with the closer to classic xp.

i'd also like to see the xp that was recently removed be replaced as some kind of an accumulating group bonus that grew higher with the amount of people in the group, as it would encourage full 6 man groups.

Also catering to the 90% that are already on the server for fast exp alone is not going to build any sense of community or even really increase population anyway IMO. So staff is taking a hard, but smart road trying to raise population through means other than just EXP bandaids.

[Potus]

Also catering to the 90% that are already on the server for fast exp alone is not going to build any sense of community or even really increase population anyway IMO. So staff is taking a hard, but smart road trying to raise population through means other than just EXP bandaids.

Where is this population being built? Run from Commonlands to Guk. You will not see a single person under 50.

[Azure]

Where is this population being built? Run from Commonlands to Guk. You will not see a single person under 50.

Fffuuuuck it's not being built because of toxic fucking WoW players who migrated here instead of blue.