Shiftin
02-19-2014, 03:55 PM
Jinalis Andir resides in Dagnor's Cauldron and is the turn in NPC for the water component piece of the magician epic.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6676
I am KOS to this NPC as a dark elf mage created June 2010. I know other dark elf mages have obviously completed the epic, so I have to imagine that at some point I either killed a mob (or mobs) tied to her faction or my starting faction was bugged. I assume the former.
She is listed as having 3 factions:
- Craftkeepers (The faction for most "good" erudite spell caster)
- High council of Erudin
- High guard of Erudin
Craftkeepers can, at this point in the game, only be raised by killing 2 NPCs that i've found outside of the keyed section of paineel*. The remaining NPCs listed on this faction reside in the warrens or stonebrunt.
They are Noclin Sash (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4888) in the newbie area of paineel and Elial Brook (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=3396) in Toxx. I killed Noclin every spawn for ~ 8 hours, with intermittent trips out to kill Elial, over the weekend.
If they were giving significant faction hits, I would have assumed this would have at least moved me to threatening. It did not.
The high XXX of erudin factions are effectively unraisable at all during the classic timeline once you are KOS to them. The only NPC in game currently listed as raising them - Tol Nicelot (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=26638) - Does not appear to give the positive faction hit on this server per the wiki.
I don't know what the prevailing faction of Jinalis Andir is supposed to be, but it appears to be unfixable if you manage to kill any good guys on erudin (which I still don't remember doing, but for the sake of argument). I can't imagine that this is intended as none of the mage epic walkthroughs or documentation I've read list anyone mage having faction trouble with this NPC during the classic time frame, and this makes the mage epic impossible without a MQ of the water portion in its entirety.
I am aware that "the absence of evidence does not constitute evidence" as Uthgaard used to respond constantly, but I don't know that the faction setup of Jinalis is correct because 2 very good friends in the classic timeframe actually played DE mages and at least one I know killed the guards outside Erudin to level prior to them being buffed. A comment here from 2000 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=3412) references their inclusion at one point in a leveling guide being in the 30s to confirm that point.
*I did send my pet through the walls/ceiling of paineel once to confirm that yes, a few of the NPCs in there also give the +craftkeeper faction if killed (after confirming, i obviously stopped)
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6676
I am KOS to this NPC as a dark elf mage created June 2010. I know other dark elf mages have obviously completed the epic, so I have to imagine that at some point I either killed a mob (or mobs) tied to her faction or my starting faction was bugged. I assume the former.
She is listed as having 3 factions:
- Craftkeepers (The faction for most "good" erudite spell caster)
- High council of Erudin
- High guard of Erudin
Craftkeepers can, at this point in the game, only be raised by killing 2 NPCs that i've found outside of the keyed section of paineel*. The remaining NPCs listed on this faction reside in the warrens or stonebrunt.
They are Noclin Sash (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4888) in the newbie area of paineel and Elial Brook (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=3396) in Toxx. I killed Noclin every spawn for ~ 8 hours, with intermittent trips out to kill Elial, over the weekend.
If they were giving significant faction hits, I would have assumed this would have at least moved me to threatening. It did not.
The high XXX of erudin factions are effectively unraisable at all during the classic timeline once you are KOS to them. The only NPC in game currently listed as raising them - Tol Nicelot (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=26638) - Does not appear to give the positive faction hit on this server per the wiki.
I don't know what the prevailing faction of Jinalis Andir is supposed to be, but it appears to be unfixable if you manage to kill any good guys on erudin (which I still don't remember doing, but for the sake of argument). I can't imagine that this is intended as none of the mage epic walkthroughs or documentation I've read list anyone mage having faction trouble with this NPC during the classic time frame, and this makes the mage epic impossible without a MQ of the water portion in its entirety.
I am aware that "the absence of evidence does not constitute evidence" as Uthgaard used to respond constantly, but I don't know that the faction setup of Jinalis is correct because 2 very good friends in the classic timeframe actually played DE mages and at least one I know killed the guards outside Erudin to level prior to them being buffed. A comment here from 2000 (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=3412) references their inclusion at one point in a leveling guide being in the 30s to confirm that point.
*I did send my pet through the walls/ceiling of paineel once to confirm that yes, a few of the NPCs in there also give the +craftkeeper faction if killed (after confirming, i obviously stopped)