A Sickness With No Cure

[iiNGloriouS]

http://i.imgur.com/CXgKGgF.png
RD and Nihilum sitting in a tree, p o o p s o c k.

First comes negotiations,
then comes VS loots,
then comes a merger between two guilds.

But that's not all,
that's not all!
Then Nihilum griefs Red Dawn!

[s1ckness]

http://i57.tinypic.com/2r2pumb.jpg

[Stasis01]

It does make you ask yourself, if HB will ally with them and take their scraps, why wouldn't he just want to get back in with them after they let him and do the bigger shit.

Maybe he just likes micromanaging small tedious encounters for a bunch of people you really barely know.

I know where I would bet.

[iiNGloriouS]

Tinypic Chopper? Really? Get with the times man!

[vouss]

70 manning at 6am now lol. Sometimes I wonder if you know how dumb you are.

[s1ckness]

It does make you ask yourself, if HB will ally with them and take their scraps, why wouldn't he just want to get back in with them after they let him and do the bigger shit.

Maybe he just likes micromanaging small tedious encounters for a bunch of people you really barely know.

I know where I would bet.

thought we had something good going

bust of luck with azrael 15.0

[heartbrand]

It does make you ask yourself, if HB will ally with them and take their scraps, why wouldn't he just want to get back in with them after they let him and do the bigger shit.

Maybe he just likes micromanaging small tedious encounters for a bunch of people you really barely know.

I know where I would bet.

Everyone has fun different ways. I like building something, it's enjoyable to me. I have the most fun when other people get loot and build their characters up. I also think it's more fun to be a part of a lower tier guild and help mold it into a top tier guild. Same thing I did in WoW, joined a newly progressing guild and tried to help push us to being a higher tier.

[vouss]

I just hope you guys are getting good enough incentives to stop people from leaving Red Dawn to join Nihilum. Only looking out for our potential 3rd guild on the box. Hard to see why people would just want the scraps when they could have it all.

[s1ckness]

Everyone has fun different ways. I like building something, it's enjoyable to me. I have the most fun when other people get loot and build their characters up. I also think it's more fun to be a part of a lower tier guild and help mold it into a top tier guild. Same thing I did in WoW, joined a newly progressing guild and tried to help push us to being a higher tier.

well said

[Twainz]

I just hope you guys are getting good enough incentives to stop people from leaving Red Dawn to join Nihilum. Only looking out for our potential 3rd guild on the box. Hard to see why people would just want the scraps when they could have it all.

Azrael is number 3 right?

[vouss]

There are only 2 guilds on the box currently, Nihilum, and Azrael :)))

Sometimes I wonder if you know how dumb you are.

[Greegon]

blue as fuck and loving it

you jelly tho??

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[Mac Dretti]

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[Sektor]

Grats Nips on druid epic!

[heartbrand]

I just hope you guys are getting good enough incentives to stop people from leaving Red Dawn to join Nihilum. Only looking out for our potential 3rd guild on the box. Hard to see why people would just want the scraps when they could have it all.

I could make plenty of arguments about why someone would want to be in Red Dawn over Nihilum. Not everyone is a min/max power gamer that is seeking instant end game gratification. Many people develop bonds with the people they're guilded with, enjoy being that "lower tier" guild that's constantly progressing. They enjoy that the encounters are more difficult with "less skilled" pve'ers or with less numbers, and don't find the same satisfaction being in an already progressed guild where the encounters are done with ease. It's the difference between joining a cutting edge WoW progression guild where heroic raids are on farm and look easy [because they've had it on farm for months], and you just sleep walk it, vs. being part of a lower tier guild who wipes repeatedly and struggles but you get that great feeling of satisfaction after beating the encounter. Neither approach is "right" or "wrong."

Some people may also not be comfortable with the people Nihilum guilds. Nihilum is definitely THE pve guild on Red99. Because of this, they're willing to accept almost anyone to help them achieve their goal, knowing that since they hold the carrot [pixels], they can force members in line. For many people, they don't care. If you'll help me kill the mob so be it, just please shut up and keep the drama to the boards. Red Dawn hasn't taken that approach. Again, neither approach is right or wrong, just different ways to play the game.

There's a difference of loot systems. Some people are philosophically opposed to officer council. Others hate DKP.

I could go on and on with the differences about why someone may be happy in Red Dawn vs. Nihiulm, or vice versa.

What IS indisputable however is, that Azrael was with Red Dawn and had the chance to be one united guild. Your fearless leader, without communicating to any of the leadership of Red Dawn, decided to end that. Now you're asking why we haven't allied with you guys? Not sherrif srs.

[Twainz]

Nihilum and Azrael only guilds on server but Red Dawn killed mobs on Repop day while Azrael did not. lol

[Tassador]

Let pvp rip and let the pixel farming era begin!!!!

[Mac Dretti]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uISoNNgGW9E/UpHXv4arIdI/AAAAAAAAPHk/sFQdoNVn9ac/s1600/dis-gon-be-gud.gif

[s1ckness]

i dont see the problem, azrael is happy, red dawn is happy, nihilum is happy.

why everyone crying?

[Twainz]

Im crying because I'm about to get ready for work. Fuck work!

[mikemandella]

Everyone has fun different ways.

My pals and I will seek out any RD, destroy your XP groups, Find you when you go somewhere else, and continue to do so for hours upon hours on end. Nihilum will not be there to guard your rag tag howling stones group. This is how we have fun. So was done unto me by Nizzar and Tune, so shall be done unto you. It's called the pixel tax.

- Oppressor

[Silent]

Chipp been throwin Basiah to the dogs to get them screenshots for cry posts, What happened to you man? I didn't know you too well before I left Azrael, But you really sticking hard to lights nuts atm. Did me and Agatha leave that huge of a void in his crew?

[s1ckness]

My pals and I will seek out any RD, destroy your XP groups, Find you when you go somewhere else, and continue to do so for hours upon hours on end. Nihilum will not be there to guard your rag tag howling stones group. This is how we have fun. So was done unto me by Nizzar and Tune, so shall be done unto you. It's called being very mad.

- Oppressor

fxed

[Twainz]

Chipp has always been Lite's lapdog with no prais. Deluxee gets all the prais because he actually does shit. Chipp just does Lite's bidding and was allowed to play Lite in exchange lol.

[heartbrand]

My pals and I will seek out any RD, destroy your XP groups, Find you when you go somewhere else, and continue to do so for hours upon hours on end. Nihilum will not be there to guard your rag tag howling stones group. This is how we have fun. So was done unto me by Nizzar and Tune, so shall be done unto you. It's called the pixel tax.

- Oppressor

You're too intelligent of a person in RL to be so easily deluded. What happened to the Oppressor I invited to Red Dawn 1.0?

[Smedy]

What IS indisputable however is, that Azrael was with Red Dawn and had the chance to be one united guild. Your fearless leader, without communicating to any of the leadership of Red Dawn, decided to end that. Now you're asking why we haven't allied with you guys? Not sherrif srs.

This is a very legit concern. I personally came in to azrael teamspeak the day this shit was brewing, i think i managed to talk lite into not leaving and taking it slow and see how this "random repops" developed, the next day they had left for reasons unknown to me.

Not sure why they didn't listen but Azrael is my kind of click if this was a VZ/TZ type server where 2 boxing is allowed but considering you can't 2 box you gotta broaden your visions. You need set aside your differences and work together. Azarel let their egos get the best of them again, it's sad to see considering i have worked hard to see the "resistance" thrive.

I for one is not happy about nihilum defending red dawn, but then again without that red dawn would get shit stomped by azrael, the ball is in lite & heartbrands court now

i'm just gonna: http://i.imgur.com/2dAWh.gif

[s1ckness]

i support hb 100%

[iiNGloriouS]

Chipp been throwin Basiah to the dogs to get them screenshots for cry posts, What happened to you man? I didn't know you too well before I left Azrael, But you really sticking hard to lights nuts atm. Did me and Agatha leave that huge of a void in his crew?

Nah, only logged on him this one time. I knew I was gonna die, didn't want to wait for DAs heard that there was 65 in KC; figured it was worth a screenshot. If someone hadn't deleted Peepmystyle I would've done it on him with 0 deaths, but we have yet to find the culprit.

But apparently, you aren't allowed to form your own opinions on subjects without being a nut-hugger.

Chipp has always been Lite's lapdog with no prais. Deluxee gets all the prais because he actually does shit. Chipp just does Lite's bidding and was allowed to play Lite in exchange lol.

Oh so all those times I was helping guildies, dropping anything I was doing don't deserve praise? I have access to Lite, Novus, name a toon in the guild, probably a 70% chance I have access to it because I have proven myself as a capable player and all around Saint.

Saint Chipp isn't out for himself, he is out there putting time in for his friends to prosper. It is true that I haven't done much in the past month prior to the last week, but I didn't see much reason to log on. Was having more fun DOTA and StarBowing than playing R99.

[Smedy]

My pals and I will seek out any RD, destroy your XP groups, Find you when you go somewhere else, and continue to do so for hours upon hours on end. Nihilum will not be there to guard your rag tag howling stones group. This is how we have fun. So was done unto me by Nizzar and Tune, so shall be done unto you. It's called the pixel tax.

- Oppressor

not gonna lie, i love it

pixel tax must be paid

[vouss]

A BEACON OF HOPE

[XiakenjaTZ]

Did Azrael even show up to contest anything? I know I was sleeping.

[s1ckness]

nope

[vouss]

Nah 6am dragons is not our thing

[Twainz]

Contesting isn't Azrael's thing. They would rather a random repop where they can snipe a mob without PvP.

[Kaahbal]

What have i missed haha

[heartbrand]

I guess contesting the forums at 6am is ur thing tho?

[Vayder]

I guess contesting the forums at 6am is ur thing tho?

gg

[AmukTZ]

My pals and I will seek out any RD, destroy your XP groups, Find you when you go somewhere else, and continue to do so for hours upon hours on end. Nihilum will not be there to guard your rag tag howling stones group. This is how we have fun. So was done unto me by Nizzar and Tune, so shall be done unto you. It's called the pixel tax.

- Oppressor

That's just the thing needed to get RD members to join the new Az resistance. Think about it... same thing was stated by the duke himself when RD/AZ combined. The exodus of AZ from RD was the biggest blow to any chance for the resistance. It just wasn't thought out too well and when simulated repop was announced the idea of going back to smaller crew for better chances of loot made you cats not think about repercussions to RD. Now you guys are really showing brainless actions by making statements like above or the /ooc whine fest that spews from Novus, Lite, and others in AZ. All you're going to accomplish is the certainty that less RD members or new people on r99 who could be az recruits choose to join you in your new resistance.

As soon as az left rd, rd was reduced back to rebuild mode since az contributed a chunk of the lvl 60s in RD. So HB recruits alot of new meat... players new to r99 etc. Now you are welcoming them with statements like this.

Like it or not. RD is critical if you want to compete with nihilum. That's why AZ members leaving was dumb as the fuck, and this blowback chest thumping shit is even dumber.

[iiNGloriouS]

I guess contesting the forums at 6am is ur thing tho?

Only two others on at the moment I posted this. I was too busy being addicted to House of Cards to sleep (so gud).

Would contest at any other time, or atleast throw some pvp at any of you. Pretty sure that is a given.

[big mouth chew]

There are only 2 guilds on the box currently, Nihilum, and Azrael :)))

Sometimes I wonder if you know how dumb you are.

u take that back

[Twainz]

FoH getting CT next week per new rotation. Gratz Chewie on Epic!

[Mac Dretti]

I guess contesting the forums at 6am is ur thing tho?

he was in game, just not doing anything

[vouss]

woke up well after dragons had been slain to walk my gf to work, lots of mad up in here though

[mikemandella]

That's just the thing needed to get RD members to join the new Az resistance. Think about it... same thing was stated by the duke himself when RD/AZ combined. The exodus of AZ from RD was the biggest blow to any chance for the resistance. It just wasn't thought out too well and when simulated repop was announced the idea of going back to smaller crew for better chances of loot made you cats not think about repercussions to RD. Now you guys are really showing brainless actions by making statements like above or the /ooc whine fest that spews from Novus, Lite, and others in AZ. All you're going to accomplish is the certainty that less RD members or new people on r99 who could be az recruits choose to join you in your new resistance.

As soon as az left rd, rd was reduced back to rebuild mode since az contributed a chunk of the lvl 60s in RD. So HB recruits alot of new meat... players new to r99 etc. Now you are welcoming them with statements like this.

Like it or not. RD is critical if you want to compete with nihilum. That's why AZ members leaving was dumb as the fuck, and this blowback chest thumping shit is even dumber.

I don't speak for AZ.. I have no intention of "competing" with Nihilum. I didn't leave. I was gone for a week came back.. zero communication and was disbanded and my DKP removed. You know everyone said to trust HB again, and I did. I was the biggest proponent of fixing whatever happened. You know this needed to happen to see his true colors. I was fine with what RD had going.

With this though, those true colors came out... Why not just merge Nihilum and get it over with?

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

I don't speak for AZ.. I have no intention of "competing" with Nihilum. I didn't leave. I was gone for a week came back.. zero communication and was disbanded and my DKP removed. You know everyone said to trust HB again, and I did. I was the biggest proponent of fixing whatever happened. You know this needed to happen to see his true colors. I was fine with what RD had going.

With this though, those true colors came out... Why not just merge Nihilum and get it over with?

- Oppressor

This post sums up why red dawn isn't working with azrael, and it has zero to do with nihilum pixel packages. You were removed? ROFL. You left the guild of your own accord dude who are you kidding? Zero communication? You didn't even send me a tell before leaving. You're welcome though for helping get you a VP robe bro, taking you into red dawn 1.0, looking out for you etc. Holy fuck what drugs do you people use?

[mikemandella]

This post sums up why red dawn isn't working with azrael, and it has zero to do with nihilum pixel packages. You were removed? ROFL. You left the guild of your own accord dude who are you kidding? Zero communication? You didn't even send me a tell before leaving. You're welcome though for helping get you a VP robe bro, taking you into red dawn 1.0, looking out for you etc. Holy fuck what drugs do you people use?

Yah zero.. Really, like 5 people don't have access to my account? That's not really an issue tho. I am just trying to say I wasn't a part of this whole thing.

I honestly just didn't think you'd slip that far.. Nihilum wasn't griefing RD, AZ had no intention of fighting anyone but 60's. We knew that deal went down before the sim repops man. Someone can post the "prof" if they want to. Just stop trying to spin it.

I am just trying to figure what is the difference between a RD tag and a Nihilum tag? Other than one is about to be on the receiving end of a shitstorm of yellowtext Last time I checked Nihilum is PVP'd and KOS at all times regardless of level.

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

Above post is a highly immersed individual who takes game way too serious. Azrael is composed of these individuals. This is why allying with them is impossible. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.

[Mac Dretti]

Yah zero.. Really, like 5 people don't have access to my account? That's not really an issue tho. I am just trying to say I wasn't a part of this whole thing.

I honestly just didn't think you'd slip that far.. Nihilum wasn't griefing RD, AZ had no intention of fighting anyone but 60's. We knew that deal went down before the sim repops man. Someone can post the "prof" if they want to. Just stop trying to spin it.

I am just trying to figure what is the difference between a RD tag and a Nihilum tag? Other than one is about to be on the receiving end of a shitstorm of yellowtext Last time I checked Nihilum is PVP'd and KOS at all times regardless of level.

- Oppressor

ROFL WOT?

[mikemandella]

Above post is a highly immersed individual who takes game way too serious. Azrael is composed of these individuals. This is why allying with them is impossible. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.

More spin.. Like I said I never had any issue with ANYONE in RD. Are you going to explain the difference between RD and Nihilum now? Oh wait, just continue to deflect.

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

More spin.. Like I said I never had any issue with ANYONE in RD. Are you going to explain the difference between RD and Nihilum now? Oh wait, just continue to deflect.

- Oppressor

Actually I did already on like the first page of this thread:

I could make plenty of arguments about why someone would want to be in Red Dawn over Nihilum. Not everyone is a min/max power gamer that is seeking instant end game gratification. Many people develop bonds with the people they're guilded with, enjoy being that "lower tier" guild that's constantly progressing. They enjoy that the encounters are more difficult with "less skilled" pve'ers or with less numbers, and don't find the same satisfaction being in an already progressed guild where the encounters are done with ease. It's the difference between joining a cutting edge WoW progression guild where heroic raids are on farm and look easy [because they've had it on farm for months], and you just sleep walk it, vs. being part of a lower tier guild who wipes repeatedly and struggles but you get that great feeling of satisfaction after beating the encounter. Neither approach is "right" or "wrong."

Some people may also not be comfortable with the people Nihilum guilds. Nihilum is definitely THE pve guild on Red99. Because of this, they're willing to accept almost anyone to help them achieve their goal, knowing that since they hold the carrot [pixels], they can force members in line. For many people, they don't care. If you'll help me kill the mob so be it, just please shut up and keep the drama to the boards. Red Dawn hasn't taken that approach. Again, neither approach is right or wrong, just different ways to play the game.

There's a difference of loot systems. Some people are philosophically opposed to officer council. Others hate DKP.

I could go on and on with the differences about why someone may be happy in Red Dawn vs. Nihiulm, or vice versa.

What IS indisputable however is, that Azrael was with Red Dawn and had the chance to be one united guild. Your fearless leader, without communicating to any of the leadership of Red Dawn, decided to end that. Now you're asking why we haven't allied with you guys? Not sherrif srs.

[mikemandella]

Naw that's you explaining why people "choose" RD or Nihilum. (which is a good explanation). I don't see the difference now though and I doubt I am the only one.

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

What's difference of any guild in MMO? Not sherrif srs? We're both guilds in elf simulator looking 2 slay dragons and players.

[chu]

well some guilds are led by known pixel-thief acct strippers and some aren't
theres one difference

[Twainz]

well some guilds are led by known pixel-thief acct strippers and some aren't
theres one difference

Chewie,

Lite has never stolen anything, he deserved it.

[Mac Dretti]

Chewie,

Lite has never stolen anything, he deserved it.

he earned it.

[chu]

question:
what ever happened to red dawn 1.0 guildbank? no troll, just wondering legitimately concerned

[Twainz]

question:
what ever happened to red dawn 1.0 guildbank? no troll, just wondering legitimately concerned

Lite probably took it with the rest of Red Dawn.

[big mouth chew]

why you so worried about lite? the guy uploaded a vid of himself 2boxing... its only a matter of time before the right GM sees it

[Twainz]

why you so worried about lite? the guy uploaded a vid of himself 2boxing... its only a matter of time before the right GM sees it

Not really worried bout Lite. Supper non-factor that continues to 2box his pals characters. Lite always promised to give me all kinds of gear to let him play Tyva, I obviously refused. Didn't want her to be boxed :D

[vouss]

but you scooped up those pixels anyways then ran back to Nihilum, you slut

[krazyGlue]

congrats. on pixels. i had 0 intentions to log on at 6am. for free dragons nor will i ever will. big thigs bros


azrael made big plays.. turned this server into 3 guild server. fun times all around pixels to be had.. watch the pop grow ( hb stay strong dont turn into a nihilum feeder guild or merg) 3 guilds is what this server needs.

[Twainz]

but you scooped up those pixels anyways then ran back to Nihilum, you slut

3 Months of Service for 1 Insignia Protector. Sounds like I got the short end of the stick, unless you think of the amount of loots Azrael has received over the years. Plus the added anger from Azrael members. #worth

[Twainz]

congrats. on pixels. i had 0 intentions to log on at 6am. for free dragons nor will i ever will. big thigs bros


azrael made big plays.. turned this server into 3 guild server. fun times all around pixels to be had.. watch the pop grow ( hb stay strong dont turn into a nihilum feeder guild or merg) 3 guilds is what this server needs.

Yes, AZRAEL is the reason there are 3 guilds on the server. lol

[heartbrand]

kinda like how you guys scooped up those pixels in RD? hehehe

[Pudge]

why everyone crying?

Because of statements like this

My pals and I will seek out any RD, destroy your XP groups, Find you when you go somewhere else, and continue to do so for hours upon hours on end. Nihilum will not be there to guard your rag tag howling stones group. This is how we have fun. So was done unto me by Nizzar and Tune, so shall be done unto you. It's called the pixel tax.

- Oppressor

I want RD to succeed and this server to be populated and fun. 3 guild server would be awesome. But crunching on RD all day will be demoralizing for them. While chopper and HB and terp can deal, the rest can not. Yet these leaders continue to be inflammatory in ooc, the forums, their private tells, and their actions. I personally do not want to kill your guild all day, but some ppl do, and aren't going to be thinking about "server health" when they can have fun destroying your guild. Only once it's gone will they lament its passing

[heartbrand]

Oh look it's that guy who never logged on for the last 3 months to contest, what's up?

[vouss]

HB you wouldn't of done those sky raids with out us dawg, was mutually beneficial.

[Eslade]

Pixels are serious business. some people need to unrustle their jimmies and have fun playing eq.

[Azure]

Zerg == population. Don't know why you guyz are such mad bitches.

[Smedy]

Oh look it's that guy who never logged on for the last 3 months to contest, what's up?

ok calm your nuts pal, pudge is a pal and one of the best people i know from this box

why u hatin on pudge, not cool

[heartbrand]

It's not hating, just keeping it real. I find it a bit humorous how people coming out of the woodwork who haven't been seen online for the last 3-4 months while we had shots @ contesting and what not, while we were building something I thought was good and lasting, suddenly appear on ForumQuest and in game now for simulated repop [aka uncontested pixel snipe for the core].

[AmukTZ]

I don't speak for AZ.. I have no intention of "competing" with Nihilum. I didn't leave. I was gone for a week came back.. zero communication and was disbanded and my DKP removed. You know everyone said to trust HB again, and I did. I was the biggest proponent of fixing whatever happened. You know this needed to happen to see his true colors. I was fine with what RD had going.

With this though, those true colors came out... Why not just merge Nihilum and get it over with?

- Oppressor


So someone with your info logged you in and removed you from the guild ? Or as soon as you logged in you were removed by an officer ? Serious question to help clarify...

That's fine if you have no intention of "competing" with Nihilum, but many in AZ want to compete or at least did. Specifically the leadership and the people who are responsible for making the call to jump ship back to AZ....

I was just giving my opinion that If AZ leadership wants to compete they might want to think about how this plays out and the actions of today will affect their goal and to avoid making any more bone-headed decisions like they did by leaving RD.


Overall play how you want to play. If it becomes a blue server... at least the population is much lower than blue.

[Vile]

lol you fools should be happy there are 3 guilds on the box that can all somewhat contest shit.

worry about your own guilds and keep pvping... the forum drama over this shit is p lame and makes me bored @ work.

[Bamz4l]

if only that were the case vile. Nihilum Dawn already merged, in essence. 2 biggest blue zerg guilds unite vs 20 casual pvpers. lol

[AmukTZ]

I want RD to succeed and this server to be populated and fun. 3 guild server would be awesome. But crunching on RD all day will be demoralizing for them. While chopper and HB and terp can deal, the rest can not. Yet these leaders continue to be inflammatory in ooc, the forums, their private tells, and their actions. I personally do not want to kill your guild all day, but some ppl do, and aren't going to be thinking about "server health" when they can have fun destroying your guild. Only once it's gone will they lament its passing

I am sure the bickering is 50/50 and half the time chop, terp, and hb are just responding to comments made by others.

Besides that i completely agree with your thoughts and how you feel. Will drink a beer with you anytime.

[heartbrand]

if only that were the case vile. Nihilum Dawn already merged, in essence. 2 biggest blue zerg guilds unite vs 20 casual pvpers. lol

Interesting as I didn't see you online the last 4 months except for a sky raid for a haste belt, which you lost to grimzal, and then proceeded to rage quit.

[AmukTZ]

True story.

4 days ago before repop. Archie<Azrael> zones into COM. He shouts to the one group of Red Dawn " we come in peace, i want to exp with my friend". That friend was Nuuk <Nihilum>. Red Dawn in the zone go and chase Nuuk out.

So was it Azrilum before Nihilum Dawn?

[Stasis01]

I was just giving my opinion that If AZ leadership wants to compete they might want to think about how this plays out and the actions of today will affect their goal and to avoid making any more bone-headed decisions like they did by leaving RD.

I agree with ya pal, low #'s is acceptable in Kunark with random repops, may not hold up in Velious.

Or maybe people will want to play with a smaller more geared crew that focuses most of their days on PVP (as YT shows) instead of Nihilum or Diet Nihi.

[krazyGlue]

kinda like how you guys scooped up those pixels in RD? hehehe

didnt scoop anyything up. pixels in rd are had by dkp. so i guess you can say i earned anything i got from rd

[heartbrand]

I agree with ya pal, low #'s is acceptable in Kunark with random repops, may not hold up in Velious.

Or maybe people will want to play with a smaller more geared crew that focuses most of their days on PVP (as YT shows) instead of Nihilum or Diet Nihi.

If you want to be a small PVP guild that's cool, I did that in classic for months. Eventually though it gets boring as fuck as you get zerged out by everyone, and you bleed members who eventually seek pixel glory. You may or may not know this, but two members of Azrael just put in Nihilum apps.

[krazyGlue]

i didnt know rd had an app process

[heartbrand]

didnt scoop anyything up. pixels in rd are had by dkp. so i guess you can say i earned anything i got from rd

You absolutely 100% earned the pixels. Just saying it was humorous to talk about gettin a pixel and leaving when you guys did the same thing. I'm not begrudging you your loot. You were in red dawn 1.0 with me, holocaust with me, starwars time with me, I always liked you, and you were a HUGE help to red dawn.

/salute

[Twainz]

I like a lot of Azrael members tbh, even Sickpuppy. I don't like people like Lite and Brainz. Cheating the system 24/7 is a disgrace to the server and its players.

[vouss]

needed our old 60's (pudge) so we didn't ahve to strip red dawns core

[krazyGlue]

im glad the way things are turning out on this server. (except for the hand holding) but 3 guilds is going to be lots of fun and is already proving that . pixels all around pvp all around . lets all just be happen. server is thriving and getting better . no reason to hate on anyone else . for anything just play the game.

[big mouth chew]

so next time flowers kills a few red dawn and makes the rest of the group plug, it will be nihilum coming to save them instead of ff/sharknado/azrael? bring it

[krazyGlue]

chewie. i miss our battles. me you and filthed in swamp/ guk was fun times

[chu]

the good ol days
maaaan the good ol days

[AmukTZ]

I agree with ya pal, low #'s is acceptable in Kunark with random repops, may not hold up in Velious.

Or maybe people will want to play with a smaller more geared crew that focuses most of their days on PVP (as YT shows) instead of Nihilum or Diet Nihi.

You know me better than anyone on the server. I like smaller more geared crews even in PVE. I just don't know if i can stomach the general QQ level of this server. :confused:

Last night i would of preferred to hang out with my wife in her "scowling to attack mood" than listen to the QQ.

[Pudge]

It's not hating, just keeping it real. I find it a bit humorous how people coming out of the woodwork who haven't been seen online for the last 3-4 months while we had shots @ contesting and what not, while we were building something I thought was good and lasting, suddenly appear on ForumQuest and in game now for simulated repop [aka uncontested pixel snipe for the core].

Sorry I have a 5 month old kid and and some RL things to take care of, I did try to log in and contest.. I can't/won't do that at 6 am though. Not that dedicated I guess.

I thought we had something lasting too and I don't know all the details but was told you said "tag up or no alliance" to Azrael. And we want, in the end, a 3 guild server because that is the most fun

[Pudge]

And thanks Smedy for the backup, true friends for life

[Mac Dretti]

so next time flowers kills a few red dawn and makes the rest of the group plug, it will be nihilum coming to save them instead of ff/sharknado/azrael? bring it

no has nothing to do with normal day to day life afaik

ill still go sit at RD bind and wait for nakeds to pop in like gifts from god

[chu]

hmm who will save them then??? im actually excited to log on & see how this plays out

[Fame]

holy fuck you pussies never stop whining

[chu]

better not be talkin to me random_zergling_078

[Twainz]

Sometimes Chewie makes me laugh. Other times I wonder who is protecting guk while he forumquests.

[chu]

guk is closed 9-5 monday to friday
as far as i know anyway

[Mac Dretti]

when chewie is at work guk is like bottle poppin confetti tossin

then he logs on and scary suspense music plays

[Twainz]

guk is closed 9-5 monday to friday
as far as i know anyway

Just checked the leaderboards. Looks like some Red Dawn in there farming FoH and AM!

[vouss]

^ I'm inc to rep for chew

[chu]

when chewie is at work guk is like bottle poppin confetti tossin

then he logs on and scary suspense music plays

hahahah i know i know
had a day off from the recent snow and i logged on at like 11 and there was 8 people there in range (only for about 30 seconds tho)

whatever tho, i guess its good for the economy
fbss and smr would be 50k items if i had it my way 24/7 :P

[Xantille]

Grats RD pals.

While I understood HB's decision in Fear from a strategic-elf-simulator standpoint, I didn't agree with it. No rustled jimmies here, and I can't blame him for extracting pixels from a PvP situation where RD probably would have gotten nothing. Intelligent more than anything, IMO.

The server has been a clusterfuck of shifting alliances for a while, but when a Nihilum member apologized for attacking me at north wall, I had to step back and re-evaluate.

[lite]

but when a Nihilum member apologized for attacking me at north wall, I had to step back and re-evaluate.

:eek:

[Yagebasto]

I guess contesting the forums at 6am is ur thing tho?

http://i.imgur.com/A2WweXB.gif

[Mac Dretti]

Grats RD pals.

While I understood HB's decision in Fear from a strategic-elf-simulator standpoint, I didn't agree with it. No rustled jimmies here, and I can't blame him for extracting pixels from a PvP situation where RD probably would have gotten nothing. Intelligent more than anything, IMO.

The server has been a clusterfuck of shifting alliances for a while, but when a Nihilum member apologized for attacking me at north wall, I had to step back and re-evaluate.

let us know how azrael exp groups are

[Xantille]

let us know how azrael exp groups are

About to be 60. Sick burn tho?

[Vile]

Xant is pal

[Andis]

but when a Nihilum member apologized for attacking me at north wall, I had to step back and re-evaluate.

mhmm

[s1ckness]

I want RD to succeed and this server to be populated and fun. 3 guild server would be awesome. But crunching on RD all day will be demoralizing for them. While chopper and HB and terp can deal, the rest can not. Yet these leaders continue to be inflammatory in ooc, the forums, their private tells, and their actions. I personally do not want to kill your guild all day, but some ppl do, and aren't going to be thinking about "server health" when they can have fun destroying your guild. Only once it's gone will they lament its passing

i never really talked in ooc till you guys got your haste belts/others loots from red dawn then just left without saying anything.. But we should just accept this and be a feeder guild for azrael? a guild that has done NOTHING in the last year or two because of its leader?

Best of luck in azrael 15.0


True story.

4 days ago before repop. Archie<Azrael> zones into COM. He shouts to the one group of Red Dawn " we come in peace, i want to exp with my friend". That friend was Nuuk <Nihilum>. Red Dawn in the zone go and chase Nuuk out.

So was it Azrilum before Nihilum Dawn?

lite also was lying to archie telling him azrael and red dawn basicly just one guild so just join us type shit..

shady mexican ingame and out

About to be 60. Sick burn tho?


100% sure thats from RD raids because i never saw you logging in for xp other than that..

np for that epic btw.

best of luck in azrael 15.0

[Vile]

all this aggro is good for server imo

[vouss]

a guild that has done NOTHING in the last year or two because of its leader

heh

[s1ckness]

im serious, there are tons of people that still play have that joined azrael for awhile then left because of some shady shit lite has done. has happened 100times . will happen again

i cant wait to see them argue over loot in velious

andis and his "loot council" will make sure its fair

[Xantille]

Lolol ok titanuk pal

[s1ckness]

Lolol ok titanuk pal

have fun playing with tiny xavior

[Tradesonred]

im serious, there are tons of people that still play have that joined azrael for awhile then left because of some shady shit lite has done. has happened 100times . will happen again

i cant wait to see them argue over loot in velious

andis and his "loot council" will make sure its fair

lol dat loot council

One for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for you. One for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, one for you.

[vouss]

Sounds like nihilum and RD

[Rellapse36]

lol @ twinkie twainz taking up for the people who gave him this nick name

god this server is retarded

[s1ckness]

lol @ twinkie twainz taking up for the people who gave him this nick name

god this server is retarded

retarded? like stealing someones wizard from them because someone sent you a tell about calming down in ooc?

that does sound retarded

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

I understand people might not approve of nizzar or hb , but both have open viewable dkp systems

anyone who joins azrael is a god dam idiot.

[Rellapse36]

retarded? like stealing someones wizard from them because someone sent you a tell about calming down in ooc?

that does sound retarded

How does one steal something he owned? I let some random dude play a lvl 60 account.. i had laying around to help a guild progress since he got banned on his own account. He ended up showing up to 10% of raids. He got 1 death into 59 re got lvl 60 to get the "dkp bonus" of a already lvl 60 wizard..LOL....Last I saw he had gotten his old account unbanned no reason for him to have MY ALT as his alt.

but sure paint me the bad guy was just trying to help you retarded faggots out.


Also

some leader who posts more than Retti on these forums.... constantly stays in ooc battles over nothing tells me to calm down when I just called some nihilum person "bad" in ooc is not even gonna happen on my watch.

suck on Nizzar's teet all u want but that shit aint for me


as "officers" and "leaders" you guys make your guild look like clowns with all this unneeded flaming wars.



ps hope Azrael poops on u

[iiNGloriouS]

I'd give this thread an A+.

Nothing but shit talking from RD even directed towards people who told them they wanted to thrive.

Sorry HB is such a scumlord Pudge. I'll apologize for his behavior.

[Greegon]

andis and his "loot council" will make sure its fair

andis is on the loot council?

and damn chipp youre beginning to sound like the azrael version of gream

[Greegon]

How does one steal something he owned? I let some random dude play a lvl 60 account.. i had laying around to help a guild progress since he got banned on his own account. He ended up showing up to 10% of raids. He got 1 death into 59 re got lvl 60 to get the "dkp bonus" of a already lvl 60 wizard..LOL....Last I saw he had gotten his old account unbanned no reason for him to have MY ALT as his alt.

but sure paint me the bad guy was just trying to help you retarded faggots out.


Also

some leader who posts more than Retti on these forums.... constantly stays in ooc battles over nothing tells me to calm down when I just called some nihilum person "bad" in ooc is not even gonna happen on my watch.

suck on Nizzar's teet all u want but that shit aint for me


as "officers" and "leaders" you guys make your guild look like clowns with all this unneeded flaming wars.



ps hope Azrael poops on u

relapse brew love you man but i think it was over hate speech type stuff. which doesnt bother me that much, but it rustles a lot of jimmies... hope that some day you return to RD

[iiNGloriouS]

andis is on the loot council?

and damn chipp youre beginning to sound like the azrael version of gream

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1887751/nah-o.gif
Just find all this comical. I'd be gream if I was constantly challenging people to 1v1s tho.
Gotta admit, Pudge didn't deserve the reply he got.

[Rellapse36]

hate speech? I called some Nihilum idiot bad in ooc got told to clam down said naw gremoved and went to Tunica...

[Greegon]

OKOK I wasnt there but you have to admit there is/has been some "hate speech", lol, it's one of the things i find most excellent about rellapse

not that i support it* just think its funny in global ooc in a 13 yr old game

[Greegon]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1887751/nah-o.gif
Just find all this comical. I'd be gream if I was constantly challenging people to 1v1s tho.
Gotta admit, Pudge didn't deserve the reply he got.

naw, just with the anti RD rhetoric. Pudge is a good guy though, confirmed

[Rellapse36]

calling people faggots or fat (twainz)? Remember Checkraise calling some dude a faggot on the forums the day b4 I gquit.......


Poor tunak. Tried to rob me and got banned, then got robbed himself. Poetic justice u faggot.

looks like he has used that word a lot on these forums judging by a quick search

[heartbrand]

Ya dunno relapsed was first officer in Red Dawn, helped a lot, good player, asked him politely to chill on OOC after I made a decision to try to cut back [INCLUDING MYSELF] on some of the tone and rhetoric and he went berserk. Not much more 2 add. Best of luck in pizzaland.

[Rellapse36]

never said ****** in ooc MAYBE one time on the blue forums 723 posts and a quick search brought nothing up....dunno where u got your info

[Rellapse36]

he went berserk.

false

[Greegon]

never said ****** in ooc MAYBE one time on the blue forums 723 posts and a quick search brought nothing up....dunno where u got your info

i think you have said it a bunch of times, me too though, not hating. just saying pal :D

[Rellapse36]

got prof

[heartbrand]

false

I mean call me crazy but I would call jumping off sky, guild removing, taking back a char you gave to someone and then runed mithril tunicing your chars over a tell to relax in ooc could be called "berserk".

[Rellapse36]

I mean call me crazy but I would call jumping off sky, guild removing, taking back a char you gave to someone and then runed mithril tunicing your chars over a tell to relax in ooc could be called "berserk".

realizing what a hypocrite u are silently jumped off a island in sky, left ts,gquit,logged out,changed my passwords,went to sleep is def going beserk.

Going beserk to me is

the time when cowba n ozdred left to join nilly you had a emotional breakdown in ts logged out right b4 a scheduled sky raid leaving us with no tank. Never heard a grown millionaire cry so hard over a video game.

[heartbrand]

That's a cool story except it never happened. You seek very worked up tho over a polite tell to relax a bit in ooc.

[Rellapse36]

dunno what kind of world you live in but you publicly had a emotional break down in TS over cowba and ozdred 20+ others were there to witness the lulz

[mikemandella]

How does one steal something he owned? I let some random dude play a lvl 60 account.. i had laying around to help a guild progress since he got banned on his own account. He ended up showing up to 10% of raids. He got 1 death into 59 re got lvl 60 to get the "dkp bonus" of a already lvl 60 wizard..LOL....Last I saw he had gotten his old account unbanned no reason for him to have MY ALT as his alt.

but sure paint me the bad guy was just trying to help you retarded faggots out.


Also

some leader who posts more than Retti on these forums.... constantly stays in ooc battles over nothing tells me to calm down when I just called some nihilum person "bad" in ooc is not even gonna happen on my watch.

suck on Nizzar's teet all u want but that shit aint for me


as "officers" and "leaders" you guys make your guild look like clowns with all this unneeded flaming wars.



ps hope Azrael poops on u

FYI.. this is why you had to go man, can't be biting the hand that feeds ya... Naw mean? Never had a problem with Relapse when I was in RD.

- Oppressor

[Sturgeon]

false

You should take your own advice in your sig.

[Silent]

Originally Posted by Rellapse36
never said ****** in ooc MAYBE one time on the blue forums 723 posts and a quick search brought nothing up....dunno where u got your info


Rellapse Gradner is a ****** 10/5/2013 8:25:14 PM
Rellapse take a ****** out the hood he is just a rich ****** nothing has changed 10/3/2013 7:53:52 AM

Didn't even have to look on ur monk, And don't pretend this wasn't you. Because the dates were same you played wizard.

[Rellapse36]

o cool found only one other time in 4 months and nearly 800 posts yeap def a bunch of time as described by

i think you have said it a bunch of times, me too though, not hating. just saying pal :D

ps stay on my nuts tho

pps how long you search thought logs and ooc leaderboard chat? hehehhehe

ppps Gradner n i go back at least 5 years on this box

[rollin5k]

MORE COWBELL

[Not_Kazowi]

It amazes me how delusional people on this server are. I haven’t been much of a factor on this server for most of its incarnation, a ghost of what I was in the past really. I still have kept tabs on the server and have a general consensus of the drama and big moves that have gone down.

Heartbrand has created a very friendly and equal guild for all walks of life on the server. It really rustles my jimmies to see Azrael totally undermine his efforts and break off at the most opportune moment. All while stealing and poaching members to help fill in their voids. I understand that it is a very intelligent move for ensuring their own success and ability to compete, but it really has no redeeming character to it.

You guys want to be this strong resistance and fight Nihilum but you just split the resistance into 2. I don’t really understand. Is it you do not like being under command of Heartbrand? Or is Lite really that amazing of a leader? Things could have been discussed in order to maintain our strong resistance and integrity. Now all is lost and if Azrael does not succeed, even more bridges have been burnt between the limited resistance members that have not already joined Nihilum.

I have no control over the big guild decisions or anything that happened on repop day as I was not online. Trying to look at it from a non-bias standpoint, it makes sense to me though. Why would we ally up with a guild who essentially just stole most of our members? I am not a fan of teaming up with Nihilum but in that situation I think they were the lesser of the 2 evils. Azrael members also claim to be these EQ PVP professionals that want as many targets as possible, well your wish has been granted and all I see is crying and moaning about fighting a zerg. You guys had first hand in making things this way so please by all means stop trying to point fingers everywhere but towards yourself.

Be real people, worry about your own guild and stop taking every little drama ridden thing to the boards. Red Dawn was good to me and a lot of people. I feel compelled to show Heartbrand some loyalty, I wish more people felt like I do on this server because there is just entirely too much flip flopping.

[Silent]

Took me 5 seconds, Didn't have to dig through anything. Took me longer to type this post in fact.

[Colgate]

you realize heartbrand has flip flopped more than anyone else on the entire server, right?

[Buhbuh]

you realize heartbrand has flip flopped more than anyone else on the entire server, right?

i suppose that validates it

[LostCause]

It amazes me how delusional people on this server are. I haven’t been much of a factor on this server for most of its incarnation, a ghost of what I was in the past really. I still have kept tabs on the server and have a general consensus of the drama and big moves that have gone down.

Heartbrand has created a very friendly and equal guild for all walks of life on the server. It really rustles my jimmies to see Azrael totally undermine his efforts and break off at the most opportune moment. All while stealing and poaching members to help fill in their voids. I understand that it is a very intelligent move for ensuring their own success and ability to compete, but it really has no redeeming character to it.

You guys want to be this strong resistance and fight Nihilum but you just split the resistance into 2. I don’t really understand. Is it you do not like being under command of Heartbrand? Or is Lite really that amazing of a leader? Things could have been discussed in order to maintain our strong resistance and integrity. Now all is lost and if Azrael does not succeed, even more bridges have been burnt between the limited resistance members that have not already joined Nihilum.

I have no control over the big guild decisions or anything that happened on repop day as I was not online. Trying to look at it from a non-bias standpoint, it makes sense to me though. Why would we ally up with a guild who essentially just stole most of our members? I am not a fan of teaming up with Nihilum but in that situation I think they were the lesser of the 2 evils. Azrael members also claim to be these EQ PVP professionals that want as many targets as possible, well your wish has been granted and all I see is crying and moaning about fighting a zerg. You guys had first hand in making things this way so please by all means stop trying to point fingers everywhere but towards yourself.

Be real people, worry about your own guild and stop taking every little drama ridden thing to the boards. Red Dawn was good to me and a lot of people. I feel compelled to show Heartbrand some loyalty, I wish more people felt like I do on this server because there is just entirely too much flip flopping.

wow now buddy, is this real life?

4694

[Not_Kazowi]

you realize heartbrand has flip flopped more than anyone else on the entire server, right?

Maybe he has but it doesn't negate the fact he's put a lot of effort and heart into RD

[Mac Dretti]

MORE COWBELL

[Not_Kazowi]

wow now buddy, is this real life?

4694

Is that supposed to be an insult? I took 10 minutes and tried to post a logical and mature reply. Sorry if that's above your intelligence level buddy boy

[HippoNipple]

Is that supposed to be an insult? I took 10 minutes and tried to post a logical and mature reply. Sorry if that's above your intelligence level buddy boy

You had a lot of legit points in your post. If Azrael wouldn't have split from RD and poached members repop day would have been Red Dawn vs Nihilum no doubt. There wouldn't be any gray lines or secret deals. PvP would have happened and both guilds would have gotten pixels. Azrael splits off and threatens RD by possibly getting them 0 pixels. They create an environment where RD is up against two monsters instead of 1. They create a 3 guild environment where it will ALWAYS be 2 v 1. It is inevitable that deals will have to be made and they are upset everything didn't go there way.

I get the hatred for Nihilum and blinders being put on when anyone does something in favor of Nizzar since he is ultimately the biggest villain and detriment to this server.

Azrael is the one that put RD in a position to be number 3 and pretty much at the mercy of the other two guilds in guild vs guild situations. This plays right into Nihilum's game since they are the strongest, they can manipulate situations into their favor more easily. Nihilum is loving that Azrael broke apart from RD and gave them more power on the server. Azrael has some PvP skills and level 60's but they are often blinded by their hatred and don't see the big picture. They are quick to make enemies and don't even understand what they are doing.

[vouss]

There has been a lot of talk about poaching members from Red Dawn that has yet to be addressed. When Azrael started up again one of our top priorities was to NOT do that. We only invited with us people who were part of Azraels 1-14. As checkraise pointed out a couple times, it was through text messages and the sort... that was the Azrael batphone.

Anyone that has joined us since the Plane Of Fear incident has not been poached from RD... they left on their own accord over the fact Checkraise went ahead and formed an alliance with Nihilum before asking anyone in the guild. People willing to drop a month or two of investment, DKP and pals to avoid playing with the most toxic players on the server, have some integrity. We here at Azrael like that in a person.

------------

re-pop day, azrael had 24 people, red dawn had 40. Sorry you guys couldn't get anything done! @ Hippo

[heartbrand]

Grats BCG to Dabber, RBB to Juggz, Elder Spirit Greaves to Dracc, Blood Ember Greaves to Dacuk, Druid Epic to Nips, CoF to Denz.

[HippoNipple]

For those talking shit on HB get over it. Everyone has something to bitch about but who is going to lead a guild with more play time or know how than HB for Red Dawn? I literally can't think of 1 better person to run a guild outside of Nihilum.

You can't just focus on the things you don't like, think about the things you do like on a day to day basis that stems from Heartbrand. I like the fact that I can be gone for a couple days and something is always going on when I log in. I know that when I hit 60 I will be able to take part in PvP or PvE every night I log in. You may not agree with every decision but there is always a decision and plan in the works.

[Sturgeon]

A sickness with no cure, thought this was a thread about AIDS.

Turns out it is.

[HippoNipple]

re-pop day, azrael had 24 people, red dawn had 40. Sorry you guys couldn't get anything done! @ Hippo

Well whatever happened things are playing right into Nihilum's hands. Basically holding RD hand while trying to destroy Azrael. The second Azrael isn't around Nihilum will turn on RD. I don't see RD having much of a choice and Azrael is acting as expected playing into Nihilum's favor. Once again Nihilum is laughing at rest of server as the "resistance" turns on each other.

The second RD gets big enough and repops come a chunk of the guild splits off to make their own guild and then gripes they don't get support. It literally makes 0 sense. You can't split from a guild, tell them to team up with you and when it comes to crunch time get slaughtered by your own "allies" and get nothing. Basically expecting another guild to do your dirty work and then let Azrael's loot council decide who with their guild tag receives loots.

I don't think anyone doubts Azrael has some fire power but someone does need to think for them. And when they make their own decisions and go their own way the resistance suffers. I don't even think they understand why or what is happening.

[Vile]

everyone just needs to stfu and kill each other in game imo.

ERUDITE SHIT.

[Agatha]

ERUDITE SHIT.

azrael has always been the guild that latches on to prospective guilds on the come up, then would tear it apart after poaching members.

it's happened plenty of times. this server could have been healthy 8 months ago. But these toxic players keep coming back after quitting repeatedly.

Everquest was never really about pvp, it was who could organize the fastest and the best. I have stressed this so many times while inside and out of azrael. The most organized always wins. If you can't do that you are fucked.

Azrael has lacked organization and simple guild mechanics like written rules since the get-go, on the fly lite decisions that can be good, but can also sink a guild in a heartbeat. No checks, no balance, nothing. The amazing thing is that he has not realized and embraced changes, he could actually have a quite competitive guild if he stopped being an idiot.

[Kergan]

It is funny watching outsiders speculate why we did we we did and knowing the actual truth.

I'm gonna go ahead and break the code of silence and say I heard Nizzar say multiple times in TS that having another guild was better for the server. Not everyone was on board with letting RD get a VS, with us essentially getting nothing in return. It wasn't like Az+RD was doing anything to slow us down anyway.

Believe it or not, Nizzar did this because he thought it would help the server to have a more casual raiding guild as an available option. There is no allegiance or anything even close to it. We'll still fight tooth and nail to hold our position on the server, that certainly hasn't changed. This opportunity could have easily been used to start putting nails in RDs coffin and then reinforcing our ranks with many of their members.

I truly think the three guild system that we're heading towards is a remarkable change and will help sustain this server. There are three major guilds running now, all with different strengths and all catering to a different type of player. Only two of those three guilds seem ok with how things are shaping up.

All the shit talk, all the policy changes, all the polls, opinions, staff live streams, etc, were essentially all leading to what happened over the last 3-4 days. We had simulated repops and regular repops. Three guilds all downed raid targets. PVP activity has been up. Population has been up (190+ on last night!). A new system is emerging to make room for different play styles. For the majority of the server the toxicity is starting to ebb. Everything is trending in the right direction finally, just in time for a surge of people when Velious hits.

I just don't understand why certain people are unhappy about it? And frankly most of those people seem to be in Azrael. I'd like to hear from them about what they'd actually like this server to be? What's your goal, or are you just here to bitch and moan until the plug is pulled?

[lite]

I'm gonna go ahead and break the code of silence and say I heard Nizzar say multiple times in TS that having another guild was better for the server. Not everyone was on board with letting RD get a VS, with us essentially getting nothing in return.

LOL ....good to see there are people with some level of intelligence like Hippo, who know exactly what's going on. Have people forgotten so quickly the planar griefing ? I don't think there is a single RD member who believes Nihilum's intentions are anything other than taming Azrael.

Basically holding RD hand while trying to destroy Azrael. The second Azrael isn't around Nihilum will turn on RD.

And the Griefing would commence once more.

[heartbrand]

I think there's no doubt that had RD+AZ worked together last repop that we would've came close to running the table that particular day. But long term? The loot drama, leadership drama, inter fighting, differing philosophies, etc., etc., would have led to a watershed of members to Nihilum & potentially Az. I would've given that sort of alliance 2 weeks TOPS to last.

Working with the Duke is gr8. May he live 10,000 years.

[Faerie]

It would be smart of Nihilum to keep RD as a sort of non-KoS neutral guild. Reminds me of Defiant on VZ, and the general agreement on the server for all lighty guilds not to attack one another. After players played at the high end for a bit, and if they decided they wanted to try their hand at doing the top-tier content, they were a lot more likely to join the guild they had some PUGs with, and who never killed them; over the big x-team guilds. RD and Nihilum can exist in a benevolent relationship for as long as Nihilum's place as top raid guild isn't threatened. This is especially true in Velious.

[vouss]

Keegan where do you get the idea that we are not happy with,the outcome. We satisfied much pixel lust with a smaller number of people then any other guild is fielding, and have been crushing both RD and Nihi in pvp daily. Its GREAT

[heartbrand]

It would be smart of Nihilum to keep RD as a sort of non-KoS neutral guild. Reminds me of Defiant on VZ, and the general agreement on the server for all lighty guilds not to attack one another. After players played at the high end for a bit, and if they decided they wanted to try their hand at doing the top-tier content, they were a lot more likely to join the guild they had some PUGs with, and who never killed them; over the big x-team guilds. RD and Nihilum can exist in a benevolent relationship for as long as Nihilum's place as top raid guild isn't threatened. This is especially true in Velious.

A TON of truth and wisdom to this. Let's be real, and my members know this, Red Dawn is not in a position to compete head to head with Nihilum currently. Can we snipe targets w/o pvp? Absolutely. But in terms of going into Karnor's and taking VS from them in mass pvp? It ain't happening right now, and to be honest we're likely months and months away from that. We have a ton of new members we need to focus on, lots of lowbies, lots of people needing gear, etc. While we certainly will rush targets on repop days and what not, and many of our established veteran players will engage in world pvp with Nihilum on the pvp server, when it comes to guild v guild mass pvp, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go toe to toe with the Duke at the moment, and even when we do, we would like to do so in a fun and respectable manner not with the endless ooc shit talk and forum posts and all the other garbage.

Those who want to rush contesting today are only leading to the ultimate downfall of the guild by looking for too much too soon. That's why I basically pushed a few members out the door and told them go to Azrael. If contesting today in mass pvp is your goal, Red Dawn isn't going to be the guild for you. Six months from now? Sure, maybe. But today? No way, doesn't make sense. Now, prior with Azrael merged with us sure that was a possibility. But now that we're on our own, this is the reality, and I have zero issue with it. Thanks!

[Agatha]

Those who want to rush contesting today are only leading to the ultimate downfall of the guild by looking for too much too soon. That's why I basically pushed a few members out the door and told them go to Azrael. If contesting today in mass pvp is your goal, Red Dawn isn't going to be the guild for you. Six months from now? Sure, maybe. But today? No way, doesn't make sense. Now, prior with Azrael merged with us sure that was a possibility. But now that we're on our own, this is the reality, and I have zero issue with it. Thanks!

i coined lite doing it "slamming the guilds dick in the door".

edit: repeatedly knowing the outcome would be a loss and just sending you all to die. I don't know what his reasoning was.

[vouss]

Agatha you are awful,shut up

The one time I remember Agatha trying to lead us against Nihil, fighting for Trakanon, we got completely destroyed and I have never seen him make any leader like decisions since.

[Faerie]

A TON of truth and wisdom to this. Let's be real, and my members know this, Red Dawn is not in a position to compete head to head with Nihilum currently. Can we snipe targets w/o pvp? Absolutely. But in terms of going into Karnor's and taking VS from them in mass pvp? It ain't happening right now, and to be honest we're likely months and months away from that. We have a ton of new members we need to focus on, lots of lowbies, lots of people needing gear, etc. While we certainly will rush targets on repop days and what not, and many of our established veteran players will engage in world pvp with Nihilum on the pvp server, when it comes to guild v guild mass pvp, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go toe to toe with the Duke at the moment, and even when we do, we would like to do so in a fun and respectable manner not with the endless ooc shit talk and forum posts and all the other garbage.

Those who want to rush contesting today are only leading to the ultimate downfall of the guild by looking for too much too soon. That's why I basically pushed a few members out the door and told them go to Azrael. If contesting today in mass pvp is your goal, Red Dawn isn't going to be the guild for you. Six months from now? Sure, maybe. But today? No way, doesn't make sense. Now, prior with Azrael merged with us sure that was a possibility. But now that we're on our own, this is the reality, and I have zero issue with it. Thanks!

Yeah, it does make a lot more sense for RD to play nice with Nihilum than it does to maintain a decent relationship with Azrael, when it's been nothing but tenuous in the past.

Prediction from an outsider: Azrael fast making themselves a "non-factor".

[Agatha]

Agatha you are awful,shut up

you were always cool, i hope one day you may see through the wool that lite has tied so tightly over your eyes sir.

[vouss]

0 wool you are just another warm body in a now 70 man zerg and anything you do is far from impressive

[Faerie]

Server would be a lot more fun than it has been if the two top guilds were non-KoS and both raided regularly... with one being more casual and the other being Nihi. Maybe sometimes they could even team up for real, and take on those Velious encounters requiring big numbers.

Call it blue if you will, but if red wants to increase population they really need more blue stuff happening. Raid guild relations are also harder to maintain (and therefore more meaningful) on a red server, too. I've gotta say you make me almost want to join RD, HB. It's a shame you're such a fef :P

Okay, I'm done here for now.

[HippoNipple]

i coined lite doing it "slamming the guilds dick in the door".

edit: repeatedly knowing the outcome would be a loss and just sending you all to die. I don't know what his reasoning was.

You are a retard sell out. The only way you can respectively flip flop is if you are a factor. With your playtime and weasel antics it is absolutely amazing the amount of factor you amount to. Then again, all you need to do is watch your BoTB performance and witness you nuking a mage pet while getting nuked and realize no amount of playtime can help such an insignifiCUNT.

[HippoNipple]

Server would be a lot more fun than it has been if the two top guilds were non-KoS and both raided regularly... with one being more casual and the other being Nihi. Maybe sometimes they could even team up for real, and take on those Velious encounters requiring big numbers.

Call it blue if you will, but if red wants to increase population they really need more blue stuff happening. Raid guild relations are also harder to maintain (and therefore more meaningful) on a red server, too. I've gotta say you make me almost want to join RD, HB. It's a shame you're such a fef :P

Okay, I'm done here for now.

Jesus how can you actually believe what you write. As unlimited as these Kunark pixels seem there is still a greedy desire for them and there will never be 100% agreement or alliance. Every negotiation or alliance is to help move personal guild agendas forward by providing pixels or crushing an opponent. Guilds getting along is a hoax and just a way of temporarily getting what one needs before the inevitable stab in the back.

[SamwiseRed]

3 guilds is good, much like 3 teams, much likes ive always said. lets just hope one doesnt swallow the other which has happened in the past a few times.

[Twainz]

Agatha you are awful,shut up

The one time I remember Agatha trying to lead us against Nihil, fighting for Trakanon, we got completely destroyed and I have never seen him make any leader like decisions since.

Was that the time when Agatha told us to stay at one place and the last second Lite changed his mind and we all died?

[vouss]

Lite wasn't there. All I remember is some idle chat about zanix and bergurgle while we waited at seb entrance as opposed to poop mountain for nihilum to zone in on us. Agatha offered 0 criticism or ideas on how we could do better next time pinning blame in numbers, level, and gear

[Kergan]

Only PVP I've been involved with against Azrael lately was watching Beastagor take a dirt nap 2 inches from the Blackburrow zone line where the rest of his guild had already plugged and waiting for Azrael to come fight us in KC with pretty even odds (was like 12 on 14 or so) and they never did. I don't play that much though so I'm sure I missed a bunch of occasions where Azrael rolled us when the odds were even or we had the advantage, right?

Your roaming goon squads picking off a few people here and there with an overwhelming advantage is not impressing anyone except for yourselves. But, that is what you play for so if it makes you happy more power to you. You've done absolutely 0 to ruin my gaming experience so I wish you enjoyment so we may continue the server growth. There is room for all of us here!

[Tradesonred]

One thing i remember is asking Lite why we were sitting in Seb waiting for Nihi to come crush us while there was a double bonus xp in effect? Wouldnt it be more productive to go xp and push it to the limit?

Lite responded "because the higher ups have decided so" (AKA Lite is already 60, he doesnt give a shit if some of his members arent 60 yet). We wasted 4 hours camping seb entrance only to be crushed by Nihi like i predicted and everybody split up after that corpse run and morale loss, adding insult to injury. He took the decision to not take advantage of the xp bonus 2 days in a row.

Fuckin Napoleon clownshoes

[HippoNipple]

Only PVP I've been involved with against Azrael lately was watching Beastagor take a dirt nap 2 inches from the Blackburrow zone line where the rest of his guild had already plugged and waiting for Azrael to come fight us in KC with pretty even odds (was like 12 on 14 or so) and they never did. I don't play that much though so I'm sure I missed a bunch of occasions where Azrael rolled us when the odds were even or we had the advantage, right?

Your roaming goon squads picking off a few people here and there with an overwhelming advantage is not impressing anyone except for yourselves. But, that is what you play for so if it makes you happy more power to you. You've done absolutely 0 to ruin my gaming experience so I wish you enjoyment so we may continue the server growth. There is room for all of us here!

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/uexc_attach/princess-bride-boo.gif

[Mac Dretti]

Lite wasn't there. All I remember is some idle chat about zanix and bergurgle while we waited at seb entrance as opposed to poop mountain for nihilum to zone in on us. Agatha offered 0 criticism or ideas on how we could do better next time pinning blame in numbers, level, and gear

That's funny

[Tradesonred]

"Napoleon Complex

A short person who feels inferior because of their size. They tend to take it out on other people and thrive on power trips. Shouting at others, especially when they are in a position of power, is common. Side affects include short temper, power trips/power-hungriness, anger issues, and often a bad sense of humor."

IIIIIII deserve it. lol someone link me that audio file

[vouss]

Kergans only experience with pvp is on Tuesday dragon morning, surprise! . Beastagor died a martyr for his cause, six brave souls trying to delay 24 man vox crew. A classic tribute to Tom bom and the original vae victia. Claws out.

[heartbrand]

Pretty sure u spend more time posting about pvping than pvping u feel?

[vouss]

Forum Quest a good time while sitting on the bus home

[Mac Dretti]

bus

Lold

[Elderan]

Forum Quest a good time while sitting on the bus home

No comment...

[heartbrand]

The life of an everquester pvper may not be financially rewarding but at least it comes with great accolades in norrath

[vouss]

Funny nihi qouting me about taking a bus. Here's another one.

Work

[Mac Dretti]

Real bus pass trade



Now an illegal form of trade

[big mouth chew]

first time i laughed all day

runner up (smirked)
http://www.viraltales.com/haunted-house-takes-flash-photo-exact-scariest-moment-30-reactions-hysterical/#

[Eslade]

first time i laughed all day

runner up (smirked)
http://www.viraltales.com/haunted-house-takes-flash-photo-exact-scariest-moment-30-reactions-hysterical/#

This guy doesn't have time for your shit, he has shit to do.
http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/haunted_house_17.jpg

[Kergan]

Kergans only experience with pvp is on Tuesday dragon morning, surprise! . Beastagor died a martyr for his cause, six brave souls trying to delay 24 man vox crew. A classic tribute to Tom bom and the original vae victia. Claws out.

This seems to fit your general modus operandi.

1. Claim to be the baddest motherfuckers on R99. Say you're crushing the enemy all over the place.
2. Get presented with a situation in which you had your shit violently pushed in.
3. Make massive amounts of excuses. Lie about the details of the encounter.
4. Start again at step 1.

Nobody puts any weight into your posts because they are clearly full of shit. For the record, you were fighting 16 of us and 6-8 of them could not fight back because they were OOR of every member of your crew. Only 1 of those lowbies could even heal and he wasn't in Qhills at the time. Were you outnumbered? Sure. But as self proclaimed badasses I would expected at least a decent fight. You even had the almighty grandmaster with you briefly before thunderstorms caused him to be lost in the nether between QH and BB! You managed to delay us approximately 6 minutes (the time it took to run from the Halas side of EF back through BB, dispatch your group of elite PVP ninjas and run back to Perma).

Your post trying to spin clear defeat into some type of noble victory is admirable in a way. The same type of strange admiration I had for the Iraqi defense minister who stood there on television proclaiming victory while U.S. tanks rolled by in the streets behind him. I think the majority of people feel the same emotion reading your posts as they did watching that poor sap: pity.

[Kergan]

Picture of Azrael crew when they zoned into KC on repop day:

http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/haunted_house_04.jpg

[HippoNipple]

http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/haunted_house_27.jpg

Fat chick getting her pants taken off.

[Tradesonred]

Now thread is getting somewhere

http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/haunted_house_19.jpg

[Tradesonred]

Check this one out, i was scared some panicked person was gonna beat the shit out of the little girl or someone would have a heart attack, a bit irresponsible but i guess i loled?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4

[iiNGloriouS]

http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/haunted_house_27.jpg

Fat chick getting her pants taken off.

AHHAHAHAHAHA

[vouss]

speaking of thunderstorms shame Cowba got left in one on the original 6v12 engagement forcing your entire raid to come back for just 6 people, Nihi nut suckers throwing hands up in the air over 1 YT HEH

[Awwalike]

funni pix

[Colgate]

This seems to fit your general modus operandi.

1. Claim to be the baddest motherfuckers on R99. Say you're crushing the enemy all over the place.
2. Get presented with a situation in which you had your shit violently pushed in.
3. Make massive amounts of excuses. Lie about the details of the encounter.
4. Start again at step 1.

Nobody puts any weight into your posts because they are clearly full of shit. For the record, you were fighting 16 of us and 6-8 of them could not fight back because they were OOR of every member of your crew. Only 1 of those lowbies could even heal and he wasn't in Qhills at the time. Were you outnumbered? Sure. But as self proclaimed badasses I would expected at least a decent fight. You even had the almighty grandmaster with you briefly before thunderstorms caused him to be lost in the nether between QH and BB! You managed to delay us approximately 6 minutes (the time it took to run from the Halas side of EF back through BB, dispatch your group of elite PVP ninjas and run back to Perma).

Your post trying to spin clear defeat into some type of noble victory is admirable in a way. The same type of strange admiration I had for the Iraqi defense minister who stood there on television proclaiming victory while U.S. tanks rolled by in the streets behind him. I think the majority of people feel the same emotion reading your posts as they did watching that poor sap: pity.

we ran up for a 6v6, then 3 more groups zoned in with half of them being OOR healers/bards

despite getting targeted first by literally everyone, its a real laugh that all of you couldnt bring down a buffless monk before he made it to the zoneline 20 seconds later

1 group of dentists wouldnt have let me live to see that zoneline

[Barladore]

Heartbrand has created a very friendly and equal guild for all walks of life on the server. It really rustles my jimmies to see Azrael totally undermine his efforts and break off at the most opportune moment. All while stealing and poaching members to help fill in their voids. I understand that it is a very intelligent move for ensuring their own success and ability to compete, but it really has no redeeming character to it.

You guys want to be this strong resistance and fight Nihilum but you just split the resistance into 2. I don’t really understand. Is it you do not like being under command of Heartbrand? Or is Lite really that amazing of a leader? Things could have been discussed in order to maintain our strong resistance and integrity. Now all is lost and if Azrael does not succeed, even more bridges have been burnt between the limited resistance members that have not already joined Nihilum.


The truth is the majority of azrael virtually quit around the time Red Dawn was picking up steam. Lite was playing casually at best and anyone that was left over was forced to either join RD or nihilum if they wanted any part of Red99 end game. Azrael's stance was that without variance or simulated patch days there was no point in trying to fight the massive numbers nihilum had on repop day. From there the 10-15 actives that were left began raiding and pvping with red dawn, which most of us enjoyed. Personally I found the DKP system well done and the guild well organized. Regardless of this, many if not all of these azrael's (who were now rolling with RD) still were holding out for an azrael researgeance, be it, in velious or simulated repops. The mentality of azrael players has always been to keep a tight knit crew of skilled pvpers to contest where possible. None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn. Azrael as a guild enjoy fighting with smaller numbers, we love the fact that there are 3 active guilds, we love the fact that there is more pvp now than ever. For anyone in RD that feels sleighted by this, dont be, we have nothing against the guild, we just prefer a smaller guild. For many of us, raiding with 40+, especially in kunark is not our idea of a good time. To ad to the 10-15 that left RD, about 25 more came back since simulated repops were added. Azrael was never "poaching" members, the azrael you see now have all either been in azrael at one point or they came on their own accord. Personally, I'd rather get no dragons than have nihilum let me have dragons. Thats not a shot at RD leadership, just the way I feel. Anyone that left RD, probably felt the same.

[vouss]

To add on Barladore's comment we actually lost a few people by joining Red Dawn, Sootwulf, Twerk, Singing, Maximilien, Noah come to mind. It was sad to see pals not playing anymore, and I'm glad a few returned when we split off again.

[lite]

The truth is the majority of azrael virtually quit around the time Red Dawn was picking up steam. Lite was playing casually at best and anyone that was left over was forced to either join RD or nihilum if they wanted any part of Red99 end game. Azrael's stance was that without variance or simulated patch days there was no point in trying to fight the massive numbers nihilum had on repop day. From there the 10-15 actives that were left began raiding and pvping with red dawn, which most of us enjoyed. Personally I found the DKP system well done and the guild well organized. Regardless of this, many if not all of these azrael's (who were now rolling with RD) still were holding out for an azrael researgeance, be it, in velious or simulated repops. The mentality of azrael players has always been to keep a tight knit crew of skilled pvpers to contest where possible. None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn. Azrael as a guild enjoy fighting with smaller numbers, we love the fact that there are 3 active guilds, we love the fact that there is more pvp now than ever. For anyone in RD that feels sleighted by this, dont be, we have nothing against the guild, we just prefer a smaller guild. For many of us, raiding with 40+, especially in kunark is not our idea of a good time. To ad to the 10-15 that left RD, about 25 more came back since simulated repops were added. Azrael was never "poaching" members, the azrael you see now have all either been in azrael at one point or they came on their own accord. Personally, I'd rather get no dragons than have nihilum let me have dragons. Thats not a shot at RD leadership, just the way I feel. Anyone that left RD, probably felt the same.

:) This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

[Heywood]

:) This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

quote'd

[Buhbuh]

The truth is the majority of azrael virtually quit around the time Red Dawn was picking up steam. Lite was playing casually at best and anyone that was left over was forced to either join RD or nihilum if they wanted any part of Red99 end game. Azrael's stance was that without variance or simulated patch days there was no point in trying to fight the massive numbers nihilum had on repop day. From there the 10-15 actives that were left began raiding and pvping with red dawn, which most of us enjoyed. Personally I found the DKP system well done and the guild well organized. Regardless of this, many if not all of these azrael's (who were now rolling with RD) still were holding out for an azrael researgeance, be it, in velious or simulated repops. The mentality of azrael players has always been to keep a tight knit crew of skilled pvpers to contest where possible. None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn. Azrael as a guild enjoy fighting with smaller numbers, we love the fact that there are 3 active guilds, we love the fact that there is more pvp now than ever. For anyone in RD that feels sleighted by this, dont be, we have nothing against the guild, we just prefer a smaller guild. For many of us, raiding with 40+, especially in kunark is not our idea of a good time. To ad to the 10-15 that left RD, about 25 more came back since simulated repops were added. Azrael was never "poaching" members, the azrael you see now have all either been in azrael at one point or they came on their own accord. Personally, I'd rather get no dragons than have nihilum let me have dragons. Thats not a shot at RD leadership, just the way I feel. Anyone that left RD, probably felt the same.

You literally just said that Azrael used another guild to continue getting loot without telling a soul that was their intention all along, and to not be bothered by it. I just said it in one sentence for you.

Did anyone else not get that from your paragraph? You're trying to explain what happened away and make your side understood and seem validated. You used us, pal. Your foot was halfway in and halfway out the entire time.

The fact that your entire guild is wholeheartedly denying that you're trying to extract numbers from us while your guild leader simultaneously has said (and still is saying regularly) in no uncertain terms that our members are going to be in Azrael regardless of what we want is astonishing to me. Your intent is absolutely to poach our members. You guys are still riding the high emotion train of "dethrone Nihilum," and you show it daily on these boards, and in ooc, with how often you talk about it. If it didn't bother you guys, you wouldn't blow up the forums. I'm perfectly content letting Azrael die again, even making that death as expeditious as possible.

You told no one you had a problem with the guild, and you just left out of the blue. It wasn't just another poorly mismanaged/ impetuous decision. It was premeditated - from the beginning.

Can't you dudes just be honest about what it was? Let's not dance around it.

[Colgate]

didn't appreciate that rapture while trying to have a friendlypal conversation yesterday

cut me deep

[Buhbuh]

hey i dont like it any more than you pal o' mine

[King Chipp]

People earned the DKP for it, how did we use you?

[Buhbuh]

People earned the DKP for it, how did we use you?

mkay. pointless conversation

[s1ckness]

The truth is the majority of azrael virtually quit around the time Red Dawn was picking up steam. Lite was playing casually at best and anyone that was left over was forced to either join RD or nihilum if they wanted any part of Red99 end game. Azrael's stance was that without variance or simulated patch days there was no point in trying to fight the massive numbers nihilum had on repop day. From there the 10-15 actives that were left began raiding and pvping with red dawn, which most of us enjoyed. Personally I found the DKP system well done and the guild well organized. Regardless of this, many if not all of these azrael's (who were now rolling with RD) still were holding out for an azrael researgeance, be it, in velious or simulated repops. The mentality of azrael players has always been to keep a tight knit crew of skilled pvpers to contest where possible. None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn. Azrael as a guild enjoy fighting with smaller numbers, we love the fact that there are 3 active guilds, we love the fact that there is more pvp now than ever. For anyone in RD that feels sleighted by this, dont be, we have nothing against the guild, we just prefer a smaller guild. For many of us, raiding with 40+, especially in kunark is not our idea of a good time. To ad to the 10-15 that left RD, about 25 more came back since simulated repops were added. Azrael was never "poaching" members, the azrael you see now have all either been in azrael at one point or they came on their own accord. Personally, I'd rather get no dragons than have nihilum let me have dragons. Thats not a shot at RD leadership, just the way I feel. Anyone that left RD, probably felt the same.

okay , you can tell someone has no idea whats going on when they say stuff like this

for one.. Lite has been calling RD members on the phone trying to recruite them.. hes sent a tell to almost everyone in RD trying to get them to jumpship..

raiding with 40+? you guys didnt mind it when getting sky belts.. saw you guys only at 40+ sky raids and lets not forget you guys just raided with almost 40 this week.

so not sure if troll or serious

[Greegon]

None of us hate HB, or anyone in Red Dawn for that matter. The reason for us leaving has absolutely nothing to do with nihilum or Red dawn.

:) This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

heheheheheh

heheh

heh

[Barladore]

My mistake in that paragraph was speaking for other azrael members. I should have only spoken for myself. I do think most of the people who rejoined Azrael had similar opinions and experiences though. I for one, was asked to join Red Dawn and at the same time, Knife was guildremoved while I was offline. Barladore was never even in RD, he always had an azrael tag. So no, I did not leave nor did I ask to join. As far as me using RD, the one peice of loot I got, I bought with DKP.. I, along with many Azrael members had a fair amount left over. Had anyone asked me my intentions I would have been quite clear.

Besides, do these new server developments not please you Cyren? I took you for a smaller crew type of guy, one similar to myself. Are we really arguing over whether or not azrael "left the RD the right way?" I'm sorry, but the crew of azrael members that left for RD were always going to be loyal to lite after all the work he put in to that guild and for its members (dont believe everything you read on these rediculous forums).

Titanuk, If you really think the azrael crew that joined RD was anything other than a mutually benefitial relationship then you are out to lunch.

[King Chipp]

you are out to lunch.

Can you make me a grilled cheese Barls? Thanks you are a doll!

[Greegon]

It's okay Barladore you're a good guy and I consider you a pal, I consider Lite a fun guy to play video games with too. But all this anti red dawn rhetoric and anti Heartbrand shit is just dumb.. I'm not sure if you were playing during the time of Vae Victis Barla but the ousting of Heartbrand was total B.S. and should not have happened. It made the guild weaker and split it up into dumb factions that made people less immersed and also replaced it with a lot of shitty people at the top that wound up spamming people's phones irl or just in general had a self serving attitude and weren't helpful. Perhaps the whole thing was about being power hungry.. It also made Nihilum a lot stronger--just one of many terrible calls.

People can be mad about us and our 'truce' with nihilum in fear, Andis can spam retard crap in ooc about how obtained 'scrap' pixels are tainted, but the truth is this is all a really smart decision by Heartbrand. To hold some petty grudge or "omg I'm so red" mindset over bettering the guild is dumb, and this comes from someone who probably has a bigger grudge against said top guild from having been here since server start. Seriously though, the I'm so red mindset is really dumb--you guys got trakanon etc recently uncontested just like we've gotten most of our dragon kills on snipes because old nizzar was playing a 14 year old card game at the time and nilly #s were low.

You guys may have all your PVP skills highly tuned, you might be an 'elite' crew that works together well but in the end that probably doesn't matter at all--when Lite started playing here late into the classic era he seemed to me to be fairly new to EQ, and I sort of doubt he knows a lot about Velious. Again, I like Lite, think he's a cool+fun guy, but I also don't see him being open to criticism on the leadership in Azrael and this is all pretty bad. The mega anti nihilum mindset is really fucking the guild over in the long run and sadly I don't see this resurgence of the guild lasting very long.

tl;dr pras topjew, fuck all this anti RD shittalk.

[Tradesonred]

:) This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

lol fakest? On the whole server? Thanks for the tip daddyo!

Just lol @ the higher ups over at the azrael loot council

[Tradesonred]

Azraels down belows being dildos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxJL_fi5teo

[Greegon]

naw im being srs though you quilmane filching fiend

never forgive never forget

[Silent]

:) This + Checkraise is the fakest person on the server + I know Checkraise will end up back in Nihilum. Quote it.

Coming from the person who tried the hardest to mooch off each Nihilum member that left(stasis, and twainz both gave you more then you deserved ie string clickys for badger numba #1 cleric box anyone?) epic MQs etc, allowed azrael to go from 1 epic to 3 epic bards 4 including Twainz(who gave you so much that you now call 'scum' to make yourself feel better cause he rejoined nihilum?). Then when Checkraise left Nihilum you were so anxious to get dem epic MQs from him no matter what the cost, you knew the longer you waited he would hold out or not see the game your way(by the making of new red dawn he obviously didn't). Even let Checkraise roll on a NoS thinking it would befriend him and get him on the nihi loot train MQ you thought he was gonna shower more characters you can login.

[Tradesonred]

Dat loot council

Insta-red99 meme

[Smedy]

posting to post

pals be fightin, nizzar be crackin up

the duke has done it again, a solid move was played in diplomacyquest, nutsacks all over norrath are rustled

[Tradesonred]

posting to post

pals be fightin, nizzar be crackin up

the duke has done it again, a solid move was played in diplomacyquest, nutsacks all over norrath are rustled

Andis and lite should just give up trying to lead, they suck at it. What theyre best at is pvping. Theyll get pixels anyway, they should let it go but they probably wont because of ego and they like to decide too much where pixels and efforts go. As more and more people figure out what theyre about, just a few hardcore loyals will stick with them and Az will crumble.

Azrael will retain people that arent team players, people like Brainz, maximilien etc... the rest will figure it out soon enough.

If you think that its Nizzars grand plan to make Lite and Andis greedy pixel junkies, dunno what to tell ya.

[Tradesonred]

PS

Lite you suck at leading and you should give it up in the interest of the good fight

You got tunnel vision, think you know best at all times, not interested in input about how you lead things and take horribad unilateral decisions guided by pixel lust

PSS

Had empanadas yesterday, u jelly?

PSSS

Give it up bro

for the good fight

[Tradesonred]

Did i forget to mention you suck at leading Lite?

K just making sure

Have a nice day

[Tradesonred]

http://www.germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/00003778%20copy.jpg

Let them eat cake

[Twainz]

Barladore obviously out of the inner circle loop. I was one of the people pushing to have Red Dawn and Azrael merge. Lite only agreed because he wanted to steal their better players. You have to be delusional to not see that Lite had this planned from the beginning.

[Agatha]

Barladore obviously out of the inner circle loop. I was one of the people pushing to have Red Dawn and Azrael merge. Lite only agreed because he wanted to steal their better players. You have to be delusional to not see that Lite had this planned from the beginning.

u gotta be careful with lite when he has no girlfriend, he starts planning devious shit. he gets super immersed in EQ.

[Twainz]

u gotta be careful with lite when he has no girlfriend, he starts planning devious shit. he gets super immersed in EQ.

He will always have Heather though :D

[Not_Kazowi]

Just don't understand why to fragment the resistance. Come velious you can't do anything as a small pvp professional squad. I think a lot of people never played Velious before and got 0 clue.

[Twainz]

Just don't understand why to fragment the resistance. Come velious you can't do anything as a small pvp professional squad. I think a lot of people never played Velious before and got 0 clue.

Naw,

Lite will find a way to box enough character to kill stuff in Siren's Grotto.

[Tradesonred]

The game is up Lite and Andis lol everyone knows what kind of pixel lusting junkies you are.

Theres 2 ways to go about it. Either you admit to yourselves you had a track record of shitty behavior, and correct the trajectory for the greater good. Its ok to make mistakes, thats how you grow. But you need to face em.

Or you entrench yourselves in your gigantor egos, self-serving pixel lust and the resistance stays split. You are not good at being leaders guys, newsflash. Its time to try something new.

[Silent]

Coming from former azrael 'inner clique', as a new player to the server I can see how it is tempting to go to either of the 3 guilds(most likely RD if you aren't hardcore player) or azrael if your already 60 and just need some better gear and are a pvp class. But I remember how it was, Yes all guilds have cliques whether or not you say they don't. Azrael had like 2 or 3 at least which caused for a lot of conflict when it came to contesting vs leaving seb farming gains. Basically take Chipp for instance, He came into Azrael a month or so before I left and he was being groomed as a cleric, far from inner Lite circle. Agatha and I left, Then Chipp is playing multiple 60s decked in gear because Lite has all these characters but few people to play them and if you are pre 60 and have very little it is very cool at first having access to various 60 classes but the fact remains playing someone elses character gets you no where, in the end all you really accomplish might be some pvp kills any gear gains or progress made is on a char you do not control.

Which is why when in force I thought it was pretty bad for some who joined up and were mid 30s and offered former meridian and other peoples accounts to play and level/group with right away instead of trying to get up to 55+ to group with the guild. Only for them to finally realize hey wait I just got this guy 52-60 and its not even mine time to start farming as much plat/gear as I can so I can make my OWN character since I will never own this(unless special rules apply where people eat others onions). I saw probably 3-4 chars at least this happened to during that time alone. Dango was one of them, I don't know if the original Genedin still has access or not but I imagine its just Brobb maybe sektors? Who knows..

As far as Azrael 9.0(or are they calling it 14.0?) only time will tell, I never really KNEW brainz I never grouped with him. I raided sky with him 2-3 times out of the 50+ times we went up to try and obtain a sky bow for windstriker while he wasn't there instead down in seb farming loots. Pretty sure you can still find him doing this a year later.. Max is in nihilum now.

Those saying Lite/Azrael are not trying to poach red dawn members(more then the ones they already took) are just blind, stupid, or lying.

speaking of thunderstorms shame Cowba got left in one on the original 6v12 engagement forcing your entire raid to come back for just 6 people, Nihi nut suckers throwing hands up in the air over 1 YT HEH

Come on, we all know how this ooc game is played. Azrael gets 1 YT on a nihilum whether its a lvl 52-56 app who is focusing on leveling and you guys go berserk as if you just won the superbowl. But when a Nihilum kills one of you(the rare occasions we get you away from a zone line to avoid that new famous mass azrael plug tactic when even numbers or scared) And there is always an excuse as to what happened like fight wasn't fair bla bla sun was in my eyes i couldn't see etc.

Salem/Beastagor I really liked you back in the day when we played together and were guilded together, You are a good pvper I am not going to sit back and say you suck dick because you are better then most on this server and not just on one class. Colgate is good too, But I have never seen him play anything but a monk. If there is one thing that actually pisses me off, It is how attached you(Salem) have become on this anti nihilum crusade, And as far as Colgate goes I don't know if its a lot of hatred for the fact im in Nihi or just hates my guts now when we used to talk civilized no problem.

Now its either of you bringing up drug use and how nihilum used to spew ooc about agatha and I being druggies that were worthless or you just straight up trying to insult us in ooc by saying that like it makes a difference its just trolling using another bait. I take prescription drugs, I don't care people can deal with it. I am high now, and I will be high next time we fight. Trying to call Agatha out for going on 2-3 day+ bingers with no sleep(while BENEFITING azrael mostly) there were at least 2 occasions where he pretty much should have went to bed when he was basically sleep playing yes.

I am happy in Nihilum, I hope you are happy in Azrael with whatever setup you have going. After all this is a video game and most people are here to have fun, raid, pvp do whatever they want aside from the trolls who don't even play and pretend to know whats actually going on in game by 5th hand information.

tl;dr = hi im bored its 1030am EST anyone want to do something in game?

[Bamz4l]

ppl actin dumb in here. especially quad poster ecoli

[Tradesonred]

As far as Azrael 9.0(or are they calling it 14.0?) only time will tell, I never really KNEW brainz I never grouped with him. I raided sky with him 2-3 times out of the 50+ times we went up to try and obtain a sky bow for windstriker while he wasn't there instead down in seb farming loots. Pretty sure you can still find him doing this a year later...

http://s9.postimg.org/jp14bcxfz/Gollum_in_his_cave2.jpg

[Stasis01]

Nihilum PVE farming is the most disgusting/boring thing I've ever witnessed and the fact that people still do it religiously to the various many timers is even more amazing.

In the end it ruins the box, but the fact that people care/will do that really says a lot about your lives.

[Tradesonred]

ppl actin dumb in here. especially quad poster ecoli

Though not as dumb as that time where you almost pushed me out of sky, when i had the run sideways bug and the only thing you thought of doing is hitting me with your sword as i was super close to the edge of the platform, einstein.

[Tradesonred]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llq83iQ1qy1qeb24eo1_500.jpg

[Tradesonred]

lol, tears

[Tradesonred]

Oh god its good for the soul to laugh like that

[Tradesonred]

inb4 quad post

[Kergan]

we ran up for a 6v6, then 3 more groups zoned in with half of them being OOR healers/bards

despite getting targeted first by literally everyone, its a real laugh that all of you couldnt bring down a buffless monk before he made it to the zoneline 20 seconds later

1 group of dentists wouldnt have let me live to see that zoneline

I typed up a lengthy post about what actually happened but erased it knowing it would make no difference. Let's just say we have a difference of opinion.

I ran with a crew very similar to dentists on both RZ (The Begotten) and SZ (Nine). I have a lot of respect for people who decide to approach the game with small elite groups. But if you're going to talk the amount of shit you guys do, you better be prepared to take on the enemy when clear victory is not assured or look like hypocrites.

[Tradesonred]

Fact: Me and Denz were 2V2ing Azrael (well running after wizing, with some other az in zone) in TT and 4 more az people zoned in to crush the non-factor RD bluebies

[vouss]

melee doesn't push people in pvp on this server

[Tradesonred]

melee doesn't push people in pvp on this server

It does if youve got the run sideways bug, you are sitting, and the only thing that fucking idiot bamzal thinks of doing to solve the problem is hitting you, which makes you stand up and start strafing again toward the edge of the platform.

See a problem? Punch it. Good thinking Tiny.

[Tradesonred]

50% trolling, 50% settling scores, 100% fun

[heartbrand]

Nihilum PVE farming is the most disgusting/boring thing I've ever witnessed and the fact that people still do it religiously to the various many timers is even more amazing.

In the end it ruins the box, but the fact that people care/will do that really says a lot about your lives.

The fact nihilum religiously kills content is what keeps the box alive. It creates a constant opponent that others strive to fight. It's exactly what loz was missing. People stop killing the dragons then people stop logging in and people stop fighting. People chiefly pvp over pve. The second pve is removed from the equation the pvp takes a nose dive.

[Faerie]

The fact nihilum religious kills content is what keeps the box alive.

No, lol.

Nothing against Nihilum and their raidforce, but just no.

[vouss]

fact : 24 Azrael zoned into plane of fear to fight 40 Red Dawn and then 36 Nihilum zoned in to team up with Red Dawn against us!

[vouss]

The second pve is removed from the equation the pvp takes a nose dive.

agree with this

[Tradesonred]

fact : 24 Azrael zoned into plane of fear to fight 40 Red Dawn and then 36 Nihilum zoned in to team up with Red Dawn against us!

Im not a brocoli, youre a celeri!

[Tradesonred]

allrite runnin out of steam, imma quit while im ahead

[heartbrand]

The most fun pvp I ever had on this box was fighting over the evil eye in guk for manastones. I didn't even really "need" manastones, but I knew there would be someone there 24/7 to pvp over it. The second those legacy items were removed guk essentially died and went from a hotspot of pvp to a ghost town.