Proof Jesus Christ is Lord and real

[Snow_Flake]

I'm going to start by saying, the bible is supposed to be believed on faith. But I understand as Humans we will question it. Sometimes as Humans we have to see things with are own eyes to believe it. But when you see Jesus with your own eyes its already to late. I'm going to give some proof that he did walk the Earth and that Jesus is real and is the one and only God. In the bible it talks about many kings, and cities. It took a while to find them but Archealogists used the Bible to successfully find them. Here is a link to where it talks about finding some of the cities and proving Scientists wrong Click HERE (http://www.bible.ca/b-archeolgy.htm) It also talks about the flood, and we have found cities under water to prove so. And also talks about in the Bible of how there were Giants, of course the story of David and Goliath is a good example. There have been giant human skeletons found click HERE (http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/supernaturalwonders/ss/giants_in_greece.htm) for the proof. You might say the Bible is a made up story. But if you read the Bible and look at the world today its spot on. It talks about a one world Government and how the anti Christ will run that government. The way things are going we will eventually have a one world government. If the U.S dollar collapses every other currency will feel it. They wont collapse at first but it will be a slow down fall, that will lead to having only one option make one type of currency so this never happens again. And they will get all the country's together and under one ruler. I'm only posting this because I know this will happen the way things are shows it will happen, the Bible says it will happen and the Bible was never wrong. You have to ask yourself are you willing to risk it? When you die and are face to face with him it will be to late. I'm not here trying to push it in your face or say you're a bad person because we're all bad. I've done a lot of bad things but i'm not going to post it or talk about it on here. I'm just asking that you'll think about it maybe read the links I gave you. Please don't start bashing any religions in the comments or starting any fights, this is not to start anything. What I hope to get out of this post, is that I made one person pick the Bible up.

[phacemeltar]

tl;dr .. scared to click links .. overall great post! maybe next time use the return key more.

[myriverse]

Soo... you've got no proof. Gotcha.

[quido]

there's no cure for stupid

[Orruar]

Let me go ahead and sum up your argument with a counterargument.

The sky is blue and the universe is ruled over by Galactic Lord Xenu.

See, there first part of what I said is true and therefore Galactic Lord Xenu exists!

[Rangerboy]

Im a christian, but I also question the hell out of it. Picking the bible up and reading it might scare people away as well. For instance, Noah and the arc..how believable is that. There isnt even enough water on the planet to cover the earth. Even if god made water to cover the whole earth, all the animals on the boat would suffocate because they are at such a high altitude. And, how did all the animals and creatures just randomly come in two and get on a boat? The alligators and such just got along with everything else I guess...must have been friendly back then. Finally, so the flood settled and the kangaroos knew that they had to hop all the way back to australia and so on. Now I can go over more like Jona and the whale, and David and Goliath..but lets just stop here. Now whats more believable...Santa clause delivering presents to every child on earth in one night through a chimney or the Noah story? See where im coming from here? I think if a person were to pick up the bible and start believing it, it should be when Jesus arrived in the readings.

[myriverse]

David and Goliath isn't too bad. Goliath was only about 3 cubits (9 feet tall). Robert Wadlow (tallest guy in the Guinness book) was about that tall. Plus, I can chalk a lot of that up to simple hyperbole, and they really weren't too precise back then.

Even once Jesus arrives wasn't too correct about lots of things.

[FoxxHound]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAXEflfxm2hTFV_1abJgrEkc4a9erOx ETHu1tVbrULyz3VslWK5A

[Raavak]

There have been giant human skeletons found click HERE (http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/supernaturalwonders/ss/giants_in_greece.htm) for the proof.There's lots of evidence that angels fucked humans and had babies. Just look at me!

[Tradesonred]

God is Santa Claus for adults

[dreama1]

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There is no god.

[Uteunayr]

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There is no god.

I cannot believe I am writing these words... But Justin Bieber did it better:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/your-obsessive-love-or-hatred-of-me-means-nothing,19707/

[Tradesonred]

Dead Milkmen - I dream of Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogKrUOhr7pk

[yevea]

you christians need to use less block of text

at least provide a tl;dr, everyone assume you are stupid so quickly sum up a point that prove otherwise

[Rangerboy]

yevea, u mad bro?

[yevea]

more amused

[Rangerboy]

are you the spell check police? English teacher / professor? this is a forum, not an english class / book. you are most definitely mad bro.

[Bazia]

just read the bibles for christ teachings imo

some of the stories are used to point them out

im sorry i believe in god and the bibles teachings but i cant buy most the stories as being literal

[Rangerboy]

i mean honestly, who sounds more stupid, people talking about christian faith on a blog, or someone telling the other to use indents and spell check on a blog. hahaha

[Bazia]

hes just saying break sentences up bro

no one reads un spaced solid blocks sorry

[Rangerboy]

sounds like a nagging woman to me. "please use block text, wa wa wa wa" . Go read a book bro

[Rangerboy]

I bet he just gets pissed like no other when reading OOC chat since no one can indent spell check their stuff. hahaha

[yevea]

wow you just haven't stopped have you?

[yevea]

sounds like a nagging woman to me. "please use block text, wa wa wa wa" . Go read a book bro

1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV / 449 helpful votes

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

[yevea]

sounds like a nagging woman to me. "please use block text, wa wa wa wa" . Go read a book bro

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 ESV / 97 helpful votes

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

[runlvlzero]

There's a scifi novel I read where people wanted Jesus to be real so bad that they created god and Jesus, and said the bible was proof of their creation being factual and not fictional.

Sure... there are some bliblical places, but no more so than Michael Criton might reference New York or Antartica or Moscow.

Now. The links you provided were a lot of the same without much citation, so i can't even believe that much.

Christian teachings are a double edge sword, look at them, and determine for youself what god is... because there is not 1 god, or 1 force or 1 thing in the universe.

Both rivers and lava carve through the land and leave changes on mother earth. The frequency and sound of the universe is one giant symphony.

Jesus was just a man, who understood these things and tried to bring what he believed to be "god" to everyone. And he was a great man. But he was not god, or a diety himself. Just an enlightened guru with a few more secrets of the universe unlocked than most of us.

[Rangerboy]

yevea is a mad English teacher (female apparently)

[Peatree]

Snow Flake, out of 100,000 sperm, YOU were the fastest? That alone is far better evidence that there is a God.

[mgellan]

I think if a person were to pick up the bible and start believing it, it should be when Jesus arrived in the readings.

Soooo, you're saying that the Old Testament is bullshit but the New Testament is Truth, because it's easier to believe... despite the fact Jesus is reputed to have said...

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

I commend you for thinking critically, thats a good sign. Now you just need to think about why you're comforted by the New Testament and critically evaluate whether your belief is based on reasonable groundings or simply comfort. There's nothing wrong with comfort, but if you prefer the things you believe to be true it's tough to keep believing based purely on comfort. Enjoy your journey, you are not alone.

Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

just read the bibles for christ teachings imo

Like when Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating? He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

And given my previous quote where Jesus affirms the validity of the OT law, you should be adhering to the following:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Mom or Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Make sure you go over those parts too. Or, find another book with advice on how to live morally, the Bible is not a good source. Google "Superiority of secular morality" for more details.

Regards,
Mg

[stormlord]

What if the bible is changed from its original inspiration? God, in its/his/her nearly infinite wisdom, inserted the warning about changing the bible. Humans, the crafters of the biblical text, in their arrogance, thought themselves clever when they put the warning in the bible. So the biblical text cannot be trusted. One has to turn to their soul and ask for God on their own to find hte truth.

It'd be too tempting to change the bible, think about it. One thing that crosses my mind are the divisions in the bible. These're something humans like to create. Perhaps they were inserted by humans. I do not believe God would craft something to make people be at odds with each other and to justify mass slaughter.

We humans are a corrupt manipulative bunch. Still are. Science changes nothing.

I'll go out on a limb and say many of the divisions today are similarly created by us. Not to ferment peace, as we like to say, but to fortify ourselves against the broader reality outside ourselves. See, I believe we're all flawed. All countries, all cultures. We deny our flaws and project our frustration on others.

[mgellan]

In the bible it talks about many kings, and cities. It took a while to find them but Archealogists used the Bible to successfully find them. Here is a link to where it talks about finding some of the cities and proving Scientists wrong

I'm not going to bother addressing all of your message, but this first one is indicative of the whole messed up Christian mindset.

So finding cities mentioned in the Bible proves that there is an omnipotent creator of the Universe who made laws that say we're all going to Hell but he sent his own son to die on the cross to offer a loophole that he made in the first place. Check.

And Spiderman is real because we know New York City is real and he lives there, by the same logic.

See what I did there?

Regards,
Mg

[dreama1]

You must sin moar otherwise 'jesus' died for nothing

[Raavak]

I totally believe at one point in time there was one guy that God still liked, so he had him build and ark and saved him and his family, and the animals, then killed every other living thing walking on the planet. Yeah, yeah that happened.

Or maybe not.

But I believe in a creator. Whether he involves himself in our lives or with events on this planet, ever... I dunno.

I've seen miracles. Maybe it was just luck and timing, incredible luck and timing. But if there is a God he's probably so omnipresent he keeps track of everything everywhere in the universe, right? And maybe budges things once in a while. I dunno...

And if the universe is full of intelligent life... Jesus only came to earth? I don't think so. I also think he has been here many times (I kinda think Melchizedek was Jesus or a version of him).

I think all this stuff is way over our heads now, even with our understanding of string theory and stuff, and is way, way over the heads of people 2000 years ago, and so the Bible is full of God's stuff, but its so misinterpreted at times it seems goofy... because it was interpreted by bronze aged minds.

That's unfortunately heresy today, because most established religions say you can't question what is written. Well fuck that. I'm not an atheist but I sure the hell know BS when I see it.

[nilzark]

It's probably more likely that we live in a grand simulation much like P99, but with no play nice rules and RMT is the standard way to get ahead.

[runlvlzero]

It's probably more likely that we live in a grand simulation much like P99, but with no play nice rules and RMT is the standard way to get ahead.

^

WTB moonbase 2015

[Tradesonred]

just read the bibles for christ teachings imo

some of the stories are used to point them out

im sorry i believe in god and the bibles teachings but i cant buy most the stories as being literal

I remember opening the bible at 15 for shits and giggles while babysitting

Check out Genesis, wheres theres some jews running away from egyptian tyranny into the desert and egyptians not giving a fuck. God mind controls the egyptian soldiers to run after the jews in the desert so that he can drown em all to prove a point.

The bible is just some bullshit stories written mainly by sadistic control freaks who hate women

At least if they ripped off the good shit from the female religions they were trying to destroy, and freely get fucked in the ass or something

[Skydash]

Sorry, I disagree with the OP.

My rebuttal: James Randi: Archaeology vs Bible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxEJHO8KIXY)

Any more "proof"?

[Sidelle]

https://i.imgflip.com/6que7.jpg

[Tradesonred]

https://i.imgflip.com/6que7.jpg

Now thats religion i can get behind

[Tradesonred]

You had to know how this thread was gonna end up right

[Auvdar]

Good troll is good.. I think.

Personally, I'm fascinated with "spiritual visions" and "out of body experiences". Both are now being shown to be manipulations of the brain and scientists are able to recreate them.

The bible is just an old, big book of morals (of the time atleast). Nothing more.

[a_gnoll_pup]

I don't doubt Jesus existed. I also think he did some things that were considered great. But the supernatural bullshit didn't happen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451087/American-Bible-scholar-claims-ancient-confessions-prove-story-Jesus-Christ-entirely-fabricated-Roman-aristocrats.html

good read.

[JayN]

is this a spam bot? BANHAMMER!

[Tasslehofp99]

I think I would sooner believe in aliens having created humans sooner than I believed in some divine, omniscient, being in the sky.


Noahs ark was a space craft ya'll. The "animals" brought aboard weren't literally animals; it was samples of their DNA that the ancient astronauts used to repopulate earth following the flood.

Funny thing is jesus prolly was real, and prolly did a bunch of legit shit...deff wasn't human tho.


Man what gets me about all these religious freaks is they fail to realize every religion is the same shit, and they aren't original.

Christianity was nearly 100% ripped off from other ancient religious traditions/ideas. All you gotta do is research without bias and you will find many of the same stories and ideas from the Bibles were being told THOUSANDS of years before Christianity or any of its predecessor religions.

Jesus is literally just the personification of our one true god, the sun.

[Skittlez]

penis

[FoxxHound]

Y'all need Jesus.
I love Jesus. I want to fuck him in his hand hole.

[Rhambuk]

Y'all need Jesus.
I love Jesus. I want to fuck him in his hand hole.

The holy handjob

[hank]

A different perspective on this topic is to think about basic questions that you yourself can’t answer with certainty. I say this for the person that links an article that has a bunch of mumbo jumbo that they don’t understand themselves and cite as proof. Here are a couple of things to think about if you actually have a curious mind and don’t already know everything about the whole universe already. I certainly don’t know the answers, but find it strange to not knowing answers to these basic questions in this day and age. Here are a couple basic questions that are simple in thought but quite hard to answer:

1) Most people would agree that a baby is created by a man and woman having sex. So probably most people reading this understand that is how they physically came into existence on this planet. Now answer me this. How did the very first human appear? Was the first human an adult? If so obviously it got created in a different method than sex since there were no other humans on the planet to have sex with. Another question is how did this first adult human skip the path of development the rest of us started as a baby? Now if the first human started out as a baby like the rest of us, how did a human baby that is basically worthless as far as survival goes grow up to become an adult? And where did its partner to have sex with and create more babies come from? Whatever is the truth appears to be above our understanding.

2) The human body is extremely complex and requires multiple organs to all be functioning at the same time for life to continue. Your heart needs to pump to circulate blood, your lungs need to take in needed air for the body, your brain processes what is going on inside and outside of the body, the liver processes toxins within the body, etc. Any of the major organs fails and the whole body dies. How could these organs be created over time and be wrapped neatly inside a body when they all had to be present at the same time for life to function? You also don’t find it a stretch that some gases, dirt, particles and such bounced around in space and somehow created all the organs in this neat and tidy package of the body that humans and animals live in? Or the space alien theory? Where did these space aliens come from and how did the first one of them get created and reproduce? You can’t answer these questions with certainty.

The idea of Jesus is no stranger an idea than the Big Band Theory or Space Aliens. You will put down the original poster because he tries to make an argument why he believes Jesus as God is truth (now maybe his argument was or was not very convincing to you), but how come no one mocked any of the other theories like space aliens? You won’t be able to explain any of these theories with certainty. So how with certainty can you say you know that it is not truth, if you don’t have truth to compare it to? To put it simply: If you can’t tell me how the first human defied the normal course of life, then how could you tell me how the first human did not come to being on the planet. If you were being honest you would say you don’t know, and that you don’t know any more than the people that you are calling stupid. If Jesus has been talked about for approximately 2000 years how do you dismiss it so easily? Herds of people will bash the thought of Jesus but not one has yet to answer either of the two questions above. The original poster is at least trying to understand what is going on in this confusing world and was courteous, what are you trying to do?

[FoxxHound]

The holy handjob

[Ahldagor]

interwebs 1 -- 0 humanity

[Rhambuk]

Christianity is on its way out. Just sad I won't see its total collapse in my lifetime.

[dreama1]

A different perspective on this topic is to think about basic questions that you yourself can’t answer with certainty. I say this for the person that links an article that has a bunch of mumbo jumbo that they don’t understand themselves and cite as proof. Here are a couple of things to think about if you actually have a curious mind and don’t already know everything about the whole universe already. I certainly don’t know the answers, but find it strange to not knowing answers to these basic questions in this day and age. Here are a couple basic questions that are simple in thought but quite hard to answer:

1) Most people would agree that a baby is created by a man and woman having sex. So probably most people reading this understand that is how they physically came into existence on this planet. Now answer me this. How did the very first human appear? Was the first human an adult? If so obviously it got created in a different method than sex since there were no other humans on the planet to have sex with. Another question is how did this first adult human skip the path of development the rest of us started as a baby? Now if the first human started out as a baby like the rest of us, how did a human baby that is basically worthless as far as survival goes grow up to become an adult? And where did its partner to have sex with and create more babies come from? Whatever is the truth appears to be above our understanding.

2) The human body is extremely complex and requires multiple organs to all be functioning at the same time for life to continue. Your heart needs to pump to circulate blood, your lungs need to take in needed air for the body, your brain processes what is going on inside and outside of the body, the liver processes toxins within the body, etc. Any of the major organs fails and the whole body dies. How could these organs be created over time and be wrapped neatly inside a body when they all had to be present at the same time for life to function? You also don’t find it a stretch that some gases, dirt, particles and such bounced around in space and somehow created all the organs in this neat and tidy package of the body that humans and animals live in? Or the space alien theory? Where did these space aliens come from and how did the first one of them get created and reproduce? You can’t answer these questions with certainty.

The idea of Jesus is no stranger an idea than the Big Band Theory or Space Aliens. You will put down the original poster because he tries to make an argument why he believes Jesus as God is truth (now maybe his argument was or was not very convincing to you), but how come no one mocked any of the other theories like space aliens? You won’t be able to explain any of these theories with certainty. So how with certainty can you say you know that it is not truth, if you don’t have truth to compare it to? To put it simply: If you can’t tell me how the first human defied the normal course of life, then how could you tell me how the first human did not come to being on the planet. If you were being honest you would say you don’t know, and that you don’t know any more than the people that you are calling stupid. If Jesus has been talked about for approximately 2000 years how do you dismiss it so easily? Herds of people will bash the thought of Jesus but not one has yet to answer either of the two questions above. The original poster is at least trying to understand what is going on in this confusing world and was courteous, what are you trying to do?

It is true that these questions are interesting, but not out of the realm of scientific understanding. People underestimate and misunderstand evolutionary processes, thinking that just because they cannot understand something, it inherently must be some sort of supernatural process at work. This is where the term 'intelligent design' comes into play. The inherent flaw with this reasoning is that for as many things in the natural world work well, there are just as many things that don't work well or are not as efficient as they could be. For example, it would be more efficient for us to be able to do photosynthesis. The problem lies in the fact that people who believe in some supernatural reasoning only look at what works well and never acknowledge what doesn't support their point (i.e., confirmation bias).

Christianity is no better or no worse than any other religion. They're all equally invalid. Through pure random chance, christianity became the religion of choice for many people in the western world, but just think about if emperor constantine did not come to rule Rome etc, we may see a very different world right now. That is, one without christianity. I've said it several times and will say it again, religion is man-made. The evidence is there. How many world religions are there? They are a product of culture & myth.

Here is the difference between formal vs. religious logic.

Scientific logic
Person A: I have a baseball in my hand
Person B: Where is the evidence?
Person B: Independently verifies that it is in fact the case

Religious logic

Person A: God exists
Person B: Where is the evidence?
Person A: I don't have evidence but you can't disprove it so it is must be right.

Now insert unicorn, dragons, ghouls etc and people can and do use the same type of logic to argue their case.

The only real area of contention that science has yet to prove is consciousness. But just because science hasn't explained it yet does NOT mean that god must exist.

Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but NOR is it evidence of presence.

[Rhambuk]

Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but NOR is it evidence of presence.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/094/8/b/8b8c797dfd83fc1d76b2cea393e8f8b0-d4uz10g.jpg

[Sidelle]

In my opinion it seems pretty arrogant to go around telling people they're going to hell if they don't follow Jesus. There are many paths to God. I'd rather find my own way than have someone shove their way down my throat. As for the clergyman and other religious leader types: thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a middleman coming between me and my god. Mind your own business! Especially them Catholic priests. They just wanna hear all the juicy details about all the sinning you do.

(By the way, this is a general post and not directed at any one person.)

[myriverse]

In my opinion it seems pretty arrogant to go around telling people they're going to hell if they don't follow Jesus. There are many paths to God. I'd rather find my own way than have someone shove their way down my throat. As for the clergyman and other religious leader types: thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a middleman coming between me and my god. Mind your own business! Especially them Catholic priests. They just wanna hear all the juicy details about all the sinning you do.

(By the way, this is a general post and not directed at any one person.)
The problem is that the Christian manual is quite explicit that not following Jesus leads to hell ("if you're not with me..."), and there are not many paths to God ("narrow is the way..."). Like it or not, arrogance is part of the system, unless you want to twist it, but then it's quite explicit about "twisting it," as well. Except, of course, everybody twists it, and I do mean everybody.

[Tradesonred]

God must exist for such great music to have been created

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARyjrT2Hjao&feature=kp

[dreama1]

In my opinion it seems pretty arrogant to go around telling people they're going to hell if they don't follow Jesus. There are many paths to God. I'd rather find my own way than have someone shove their way down my throat. As for the clergyman and other religious leader types: thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a middleman coming between me and my god. Mind your own business! Especially them Catholic priests. They just wanna hear all the juicy details about all the sinning you do.

(By the way, this is a general post and not directed at any one person.)

I don't understand this.

If there were no religions you wouldn't believe in god, yet you think religion is bullshit but you still believe in it (god)? We were all born atheists..

[Tradesonred]

I don't understand this.

If there were no religions you wouldn't believe in god, yet you think religion is bullshit but you still believe in it (god)? We were all born atheists..

If i need to give a serious opinion on this, beleif in god and rejection of religions arent a contradiction to me. Although you have to define what kind of god you beleive in.

Someone had to be the first to think there was a god, that came before religions, its a logical inevitability.

Im an agnostic. You cant really know how the universe came into being, not for a long time probably. So im fine with who knows. I draw the line at religions because i think much of them are created by persons who use the fear of death in humans to manipulate them to do things that they want them to do.

At least thats how they are used mainly nowadays, especially in the united states. Maybe some of the original writers of the bible were sincere, but theyre long gone.

Theres a great lecture series on how religions are now male dominated and before were female dominated called "The terror of history" by Teofilo Ruiz

Look it up, all sorts of great insights on how religion is a tool used by males to keep females down.

Personally i beleive there are probably gods out there. Not god, but gods. Creatures out there in space that are to us what we are to ants. But i probably wont ever meet those creatures or any other weird space creatures before im dead.

And that sucks.

[Sidelle]

The problem is that the Christian manual is quite explicit that not following Jesus leads to hell ("if you're not with me..."), and there are not many paths to God ("narrow is the way..."). Like it or not, arrogance is part of the system, unless you want to twist it, but then it's quite explicit about "twisting it," as well. Except, of course, everybody twists it, and I do mean everybody.

I'm guessing by Christian manual you're referring to the bible. No offense, but who actually wrote that? A bunch of misogynistic old farts. And which version do you adhere to? There is more than one version, right? That must be confusing.

And whoever wrote it got to pick and choose which gospels to include/exclude. Yep, seems legit to me.

If Jesus really is the son of god I imagine he would be upset about all the terrible things that have been done in his name. For example, burning people at the stake. Or conquering other peoples and forcing them to either convert or die. What's that about? Doesn't seem like the kind of behavior Jesus would approve of.

[dreama1]

I don't believe in any supernatural being without proof. If there were objective evidence (not subjective personal hallucination shit), I would change my mind until then I don't see any good reason to do so.

[odiecat99]

Listen,

Futurama pretty much sums up life and god.

tldr

[odiecat99]

So far I've only been able to locate the original of one of them, but it serves as clear proof that Photoshopping took place. Image #4 was created by inserting an outsized human skull into a photo of a 1993 University of Chicago dinosaur dig in Niger, Africa (see the original here). If you look at a blow-up of the doctored image, the skull appears flattened and unnatural (and one of the workers actually appears to be standing on it!).

stop trolling off topic

[Sidelle]

I don't understand this.

If there were no religions you wouldn't believe in god, yet you think religion is bullshit but you still believe in it (god)? We were all born atheists..

Man-made religions are bullshit. I do believe we have souls and I believe in God, our creator. I am definitely not atheist. God as I see it is probably very different from what you believe. I guess I don't know how to explain so you can see where I'm coming from.

[odiecat99]

sidelee I was fucking around.

I actually share the same views as you.

[Sidelle]

sidelee I was fucking around.

I actually share the same views as you.

<3 :D

[Rhambuk]

So far I've only been able to locate the original of one of them, but it serves as clear proof that Photoshopping took place. Image #4 was created by inserting an outsized human skull into a photo of a 1993 University of Chicago dinosaur dig in Niger, Africa (see the original here). If you look at a blow-up of the doctored image, the skull appears flattened and unnatural (and one of the workers actually appears to be standing on it!).

stop trolling off topic

I checked the link for laughs, the first thing I saw on the page was.

Description: Emailed images and text / Hoax
Circulating since: 2009?
Status: Fake
Analysis: See last page

Status fake...status fake...status fake....

[Tradesonred]

Man-made religions are bullshit. I do believe we have souls and I believe in God, our creator. I am definitely not atheist. God as I see it is probably very different from what you believe. I guess I don't know how to explain so you can see where I'm coming from.

Do you beleive humans were created 6000 years ago or think that the fossil record must probably be right? Do you beleive that other animals have souls too? Not trying to troll, just trying to make you articulate what youre getting at.

I think the concept of soul in humans is just admiration over how amazingly complex life has come to develop on earth over the million/billion of years. To me, my personality, who i am, my memories, my emotions, is all part of my electrical brainstorm. When my brain dies, thats dead too.

[dreama1]

Man-made religions are bullshit. I do believe we have souls and I believe in God, our creator. I am definitely not atheist. God as I see it is probably very different from what you believe. I guess I don't know how to explain so you can see where I'm coming from.

Your belief in souls & God as a creator is based on what exactly?

[Fame]

this is the only thing god wants from you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4_to4g9wGs

safe and funny youtube

[dreama1]

this is better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDd6S-SnWlM

[Sidelle]

Do you beleive humans were created 6000 years ago or think that the fossil record must probably be right? Do you beleive that other animals have souls too? Not trying to troll, just trying to make you articulate what youre getting at.

I think the concept of soul in humans is just admiration over how amazingly complex life has come to develop on earth over the million/billion of years. To me, my personality, who i am, my memories, my emotions, is all part of my electrical brainstorm. When my brain dies, thats dead too.

I definitely don't think the earth was created only 6,000 years ago. Can't a person believe in science while also having faith that there is a supreme being and that we humans have souls? I don't necessarily have to understand it all, or need any proof, it's just something I feel is true in my heart.

[Sidelle]

this is the only thing god wants from you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4_to4g9wGs

safe and funny youtube

Lol

[Tradesonred]

Oh oh

Fuck Me In The Ass Because I Love Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ36S3d1CaU

[dreama1]

I definitely don't think the earth was created only 6,000 years ago. Can't a person believe in science while also having faith that there is a supreme being and that we humans have souls? I don't necessarily have to understand it all, or need any proof, it's just something I feel is true in my heart.

Not to sound condescending or anything, but faith and science are diametrically opposed. One is based on objective reasoning, the other is subjective. I mean what does "true in someone's heart" really mean?

edit: There are altogether no supernatural phenomena, only supernatural interpretations of phenomena *

[Ahldagor]

faith and science are based on fragile notions of trust. science uses material means to support the trust while faith does not. quantum physicists are the new priests. i'm coming from a stance based upon behaviors and an over arc of humans still doing the same thing of waiting for an apocalypse (the word means a revelation or unveiling, originally, and not the end of the world), and i do lean on the side of science being a better method; but i've seen some shit man http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119582&highlight=trip+thread&page=10

[dreama1]

There are altogether no supernatural phenomena, only supernatural interpretations of phenomena

[Sidelle]

Not to sound condescending or anything, but faith and science are diametrically opposed. One is based on objective reasoning, the other is subjective. I mean what does "true in someone's heart" really mean?

edit: There are altogether no supernatural phenomena, only supernatural interpretations of phenomena *

Christianity and science might be opposed to each other, idk. I'm not a christian. My beliefs are nothing like any of the mainstream religions. I wouldn't even call it a religion. Like I said before I don't need to have all the answers to be a believer in god, spirituality, and some kind of afterlife.

If there's nothing after I die, so be it. It won't matter at that point, right? So in the meantime I'd rather live my life believing in something . Maybe when I die I'll be pleasantly surprised. :)

[dreama1]

If there's nothing after I die, so be it. It won't matter at that point, right? So in the meantime I'd rather live my life believing in something . Maybe when I die I'll be pleasantly surprised. :)

Fair enough; I think that's a perfectly acceptable way of viewing the world, especially when not confined to a religion that tries to make everyone follow it.

As for me, even though I don't believe in vampires, ghosts etc, I would still like to believe in them just because it would make the world much more interesting.

[Tradesonred]

As for me, even though I don't believe in vampires, ghosts etc, I would still like to believe in them just because it would make the world much more interesting.

Be careful what you wish for

Progress in medecine will probably make vampires out of a tiny elite who can afford such medecine in the near future

[Hailto]

woman are able to attract man easily and exploit man's indulgence to get what they want be aware!

Translation: I have very minimal contact with females and am very bitter.

[Rellapse36]

JESUS LOVES ME THIS I KNOW FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO!!!!!

[Rhambuk]

JESUS LOVES ME THIS I KNOW FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO!!!!!

No one cares.