yaw let's simulate some patch days

[karsten]

let's at least try it a couple times


i don't care when it's done really, but i'd like it to be around 8pm est

if we try and it and it seems to work, great! and if we try it and nobody likes it, we can get rid of it and it'll shut some whiners up in the process.

let's make February 2014 national simulated patch month!

[Kergan]

/signed

[Took]

Agreed. Just reset the box randomly once a month.

Maybe box resets at 8pm. Maybe 8am. Maybe 4pm. Then raid targets for the month are on that time table.

It changes every month. Just make it completely random. I don't see why this wouldn't work.

[Stasis01]

It's almost like... variance.

[Not_Kazowi]

No harm in trying. It's win/win really

[Mac Dretti]

I'm inclined to blindly agree since we are guild members

[Kergan]

It's almost like... variance.

I'm starting to think you don't know what that word means.

[mikemandella]

let's at least try it a couple times


i don't care when it's done really, but i'd like it to be around 8pm est

if we try and it and it seems to work, great! and if we try it and nobody likes it, we can get rid of it and it'll shut some whiners up in the process.

let's make February 2014 national simulated patch month!

Hey Noah,

Miss the beer/germany/game mechanic talks. Feel free to add your input in my thread I know you have a lot of good stuff to say.. even though we might not always agree :D

Here is link: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138152

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

To be fair, a random repop is a form of "variance", just not in the way it's traditionally used here.

[Stasis01]

A #1 guild YEARS into a box and Kunark shouldn't be dropping 38 people in Solb, then leaving to CT and locking down Naggy at the same time as other raid mobs.

It's broken, and allows for 1 strong guild.

If we looked at Red99's history from the point of view of growth, population, fun, competition, guilds, economy, groups ETC it would get a FAILING grade if you considered it a beta till now.

Variance would not be bad for Nihi, it just would make them prioritize more, and less efficient static mob farming back to back 1 day a week and ghost town.

This server there's only the small % of have's that love it, and promotes empty boring 1 sided box.

[Kergan]

To be fair, a random repop is a form of "variance", just not in the way it's traditionally used here.

I define variance as randomization of a mobs spawn time within a predetermined range based on the last time it was killed. Would anyone disagree with that?

So while the english definition of variance may slightly apply here, it is clearly not what is being proposed with a once a month simulated repop. In that scenario we know the spawn times of all mobs, as soon as the server comes back up. So basically, there is no reason to poopsock because you'll get a clear warning when things are going to spawn (because the server "goes down").

The obvious advantage to a guild like RD in this scenario is all raid mobs appear simultaneously, and Nihilum in theory could not get to them all fast enough.

[Stasis01]

He is making the suggestion of random repops to allow for multiple raid target timers instead of being stuck forever, which is one of the main benefits of individual raid target variance.

That being said, it's an improvement, but typical of one of a Nihi member that half addresses the issue of all raid targets being back to back on a single day.

[Kergan]

A #1 guild YEARS into a box and Kunark shouldn't be dropping 38 people in Solb, then leaving to CT and locking down Naggy at the same time as other raid mobs.

It's broken, and allows for 1 strong guild.

If we looked at Red99's history from the point of view of growth, population, fun, competition, guilds, economy, groups ETC it would get a FAILING grade if you considered it a beta till now.

Variance would not be bad for Nihi, it just would make them prioritize more, and less efficient static mob farming back to back 1 day a week and ghost town.

This server there's only the small % of have's that love it, and promotes empty boring 1 sided box.

Dude would you get your variance bullshit out of here? It just ruins every thread you post in by countless people having to explain to you for the hundredth time what a fucking retard you are.

Your own side doesn't even support it. The GMs have already shot it down here. All implemented forms of variance have been dramatically reduced or removed on blue. It was a bad idea then, it's a bad idea now. Give it a rest already.

[Stasis01]

When an idea that doesn't address a big part of the problem (1 day a week all targets) it needs to be addressed, sorry pal.

If the repops are weekly, or bi monthly it may touch on it.

[Derubael]

Nihilum sucks, Red dawn are scrubs, everyone loves pixels and hates pvp. There, I just summed up every guild vs guild argument this thread could possibly come up with.
Now,

Back on topic:

Repops. Sup? why or why not.

[Tekay]

I would like to see some variance in statis's tread replies.

[Colgate]

Nihilum sucks, Red dawn are scrubs, everyone loves pixels and hates pvp. There, I just summed up every guild vs guild argument this thread could possibly come up with.
Now,

Back on topic:

Repops. Sup? why or why not.

these fags don't deserve pixels, depop every raid mob and keep them from spawning for a while

[Stasis01]

If it is weekly or bi-monthly it may add enough raid targets that Nihilum will A) not be able to keep up with all of them/care as much hopefully and B) A second or potentially third guild could try to snipe raid targets with more of them available(RD/Nihi fighting etc)

Different raid timers, not stuck at 9am where it favors the jobless, there are no bad reasons other than it lessens control of pixels, and leverage from those control of pixels.

This has nothing to do with guilds hating each other, and more with it threatening power and control, over an EMU box of 100 people, from sick individuals.

[heartbrand]

Arguments against repops:

1) Tough luck to the other guilds. Either man up and contest or don't.

2) End game isn't for everyone

3) Will result in more items "flooding" the game

4) Seems anti-competitive

5) Seems to favor one guild [red dawn]

Reasons FOR repops

1) Server is incredibly stagnant in it's current state which has led to a declining population with multiple people stating they have quit because of it

2) Due to the incredibly infrequency of resets here compared to live or even with blue with variance, one unfavorable reset @ an odd hour can result in months in a row of mobs @ awful times that a majority of players can never hope to attend, thereby completely restricting access to the game to a significant % of players

3) Could result in higher pop and serve as a catalyst to bringing some people back, which could very well result in bigger scale pvp battles

4) Some of the most exciting pvp is that which is "spontaneous" on the spot with two guilds struggling to bat phone and rush mobs, whereas "planned" pvp is usually decided hours ahead of the battle by whoever has more logged on level 60's

5) Repops are classic, 3 months + of no repops where timers barely move is not

6) Zero long term damage can come from a test run of it

7) Will desperately be needed for Velious where the gear difference can become too large to be gapped in planned guild v guild battles

8) Allows for potentially even a third or fourth guild, particularly in Velious, to rise up

[Tekay]

Id totally love to see simulated repops during prime time hours. This would bring about epic pvp encounters, and more loot to make up for the elongated progress time pvp adds to item acquisition.

I think the repops should be announced well in advance so people are ready to go ham soon as the time hits

[Mac Dretti]

Can't get mobs when timers = known

Can't snag mobs because of slow mobilization when server repops and timers = unknown

Previous guild merger Dentists+Azrael were able to steal mobs using current ruleset of timer = known + PvP

Summary: if they aren't motivated enough to attempt with current ruleset when others before them were able to, why should ruleset change to cater to them?

P.s. current repop time sucks I wish they would push it back so I can attend more

[HippoNipple]

I would like random repops. I have heard about this Nilly guild for 3 years now but I have never seen them on since they only log on at 6 AM. I would like to witness this carnage for myself. It would be nice to finally see these nerds in action.

[Gaffin 7.0]

nice to see gms responding, do it

[Not_Kazowi]

Lets get some simulated repops.

First of all it would spice things up. Instead of the same shit spawning at the same off hours with the same people killing them, we may have some pretty big battles just like we did in DL over gore a couple times.

That is what this should be about. Sure some mobs will spawn at off hours when most people cant make it and Nihilum will get them, but at least a few would spawn at times when more of us can log on and compete for them.

I get batphones constantly right when I'm arriving at work or en route to work. Would be cool to get a bat phone around 4:30 or 5pm CST about trak or another dragon, that I could actually rush home and help pvp for.

I am not asking for handouts here, i could care less if i ever get a piece of dragon loot. I would like to be able to PVP for these mobs and have a chance without having to get out of bed before the sun comes up to do so.

I think everyone had fun during the big battles that took place over Gorenaire a few weeks back, I know i did. Why is it that Nihilum members are so against this?

[Mac Dretti]

We're not against it. Gorenaire is up when you get home during your prime time...

Trak is a 3 day spawn, want me to tell you how to push timer back? I will just ask if your embarrassed and don't k ow how.

The DL fight was a blast. Why are Red Dawn members so against this?

[HippoNipple]

We're not against it. Gorenaire is up when you get home during your prime time...

Trak is a 3 day spawn, want me to tell you how to push timer back? I will just ask if your embarrassed and don't k ow how.

The DL fight was a blast. Why are Red Dawn members so against this?

Last time that happened the zone crashed and Nihilum sat on dead corpses for hours so players couldn't log on without a PvP death. Why would anyone submit themselves to that willingly?

[heartbrand]

Last time that happened the zone crashed and Nihilum sat on dead corpses for hours so players couldn't log on without a PvP death. Why would anyone submit themselves to that willingly?

[Mac Dretti]

Please explain how this server works I'm curious what happens when someone takes a pvp death, does it hurt bad?

[HippoNipple]

Please explain how this server works I'm curious what happens when someone takes a pvp death, does it hurt bad?

The question was why wouldn't people want to do it. I guess the same reason people don't want to sit and watch paint dry. Not painful, not worth my time.

Fun guild vs guild is a blast, that Dreadlands fight was stupid.

[Not_Kazowi]

We're not against it. Gorenaire is up when you get home during your prime time...

Trak is a 3 day spawn, want me to tell you how to push timer back? I will just ask if your embarrassed and don't k ow how.

The DL fight was a blast. Why are Red Dawn members so against this?

not sure if trolling or stupid

gorenaire is up all the time for a reason, because shes hard as shit. I remember asking you this question when we were in heresy and you said gorenaire is really hard even nihilum doesnt do it. So why are you trying to play this card? be real man

How to push trak spawn back? sure enlighten me, i have 0 ego on this server pal, call me humble rexx. i dont know everything about this game or the server for that matter

Not seeing anyone against the DL gore fight? Not sure where you are going with that statement, at the current moment when i log in after work there is no pvp. i see no raid mobs up besides ragefire which i have been at and pvped almost every day i could on my 51 war

[Gaffin 7.0]

gore just a resist heavy fight aint that hard with bards

[MC Epic]

gore just a resist heavy fight aint that hard with bards

Pretty hard with bards....
who are casting AoE Poison Stun :)

[Elderan]

Nihilum sucks, Red dawn are scrubs, everyone loves pixels and hates pvp. There, I just summed up every guild vs guild argument this thread could possibly come up with.
Now,

Back on topic:

Repops. Sup? why or why not.

At most I would do bi-monthly. But the problem is there is so few people on this server there is massive loot saturation happening. Adding more respawns will just make that worse. Also once Velious comes I don't think repops should happen on either server. It will only create an unbalance in gear quicker.

[Zoolander]

has to be 8pm GMT imo

[mostbitter]

remember when az/dentist pushed timers to early am hours because it was better for them at the time then server reset mobs to mid day hours and everyone quit crying foul? repops please

[Smedy]

everything is dumb, nihilum recruits even tho they dont have to, they claim that having 80 sporadic randoms in rags during one gorenaire attempt justifies them to keep recruiting when they can field 40 vp geared characters 4am in the morning on a work day.

it's silly really

i guess the motivation retti speaks of is being ready to use vacation days in order to secure imaginary pixels on emulator that wont be around 4 years from now.

[mostbitter]

If the other side wasn't full of greedy scum bag thieves they would have better member retention and be able to do something other than cry

[Smedy]

Tunak, youre dragging everyone else with when someone else did you dirtay

Lte isn't even playing anymore from what i can tell? The very instant he realised he lost power and became a normal member he stopped logging in and can be seen auctioning the aon away.

There's ton of exuses coming from nihilum refugees, all from "lite stole my fungis so i hate everyone" to "i was alone for 1 week bro, i had nothing to do" to "i wont guild with agatha or lite". Why do all these things result in you being in nihilum aiding to the fact that the server is a stale piece of shit? It doesn't, it's you looking for an exuse to drop the ball and just mindlessly get all the shit you want and that's what ultimately put the server in this place.

I never claimed to like lite, i've openly said on the boards that he is a black hole of pixels and shit piece, i try to work with him anyway. Heartbrand was one of my main enemies, i try to work with him too. I could also join nihilum and add to how shitty this server is, but whats the point, i have no desire to play when there's no challenge to be had.

[mostbitter]

I already have all my items and have received nothing from nihilum. My sole purpose for joining was to pvp against checkraise and his guild because the people I had been playing with for two years had no problems with their guild leader stealing items from me and wanted me to work with checkraise. The fact is that the other side is an awful, hypocritical place to be. No loot, no maturity, no morality. It's just a band wagon for people to talk shit to everyone including each other. There was always someone cheating in some form, from boxing to ghosting to exploiting pathing. The reason that side fails is because it sucks to be a part of.

[Smedy]

youre claiming no boxing or exploiting going on that side, oh man

guud stuff

[Clark]

/signed

signed for red

[Bazia]

Tunak preaching about maturity after spamming random peoples (Who weren't Lite) phones for months with random garbage because Lite wouldn't give him fungis.

[Zoolander]

it's silly really

i guess the motivation retti speaks of is being ready to use vacation days in order to secure imaginary pixels on emulator that wont be around 4 years from now.

never played a game i paid for more than 4 years. so where is the difference to an emulator ?

[Colgate]

no maturity

l o l

[heartbrand]

Shame on me for having my character stripped and deleted by you, man what a scumbag I am for that

[mostbitter]

youre claiming no boxing or exploiting going on that side, oh man

guud stuff

I'm claiming that the "other" guilds always try to fling mud like that is the only way to recruit and that you guys don't realize after a few days in the dirt you're covered in shit.


I forgot to mention the scamming and harboring known RMT scum lords that is going on with Red Dawn right now.


Tunak preaching about maturity after spamming random peoples (Who weren't Lite) phones for months with random garbage because Lite wouldn't give him fungis.


RMT'd your accounts back in the beginning of the server when there was a more legitimate chance to compete. throwing us all under the bus and taking away our only t staff. Your opinion means shit to me. The fact that you got invited back to the guild on numerous occasions despite my protest is why the guild never went anywhere and no one ever trusted anyone else inside of it.

Same goes for Afflict/madude who RMT'd his account then got reinstated and handed a warrior epic when Sootwulf/Baylen had been playing the whole time never recieving anything of note and had an eligible warrior and had never sold off an epic toon (especially not one of the first epic mages that the guild spent months working on).

Same goes for Dazed/Tomb who scammed people for RL money, then went ape shit on the guild, had to be removed from the bat phone he has created and was running for us.


Same for Coshigga who was never anything but a disruption to the guild.



Shame on me for having my character stripped and deleted by you, man what a scumbag I am for that


Shame on you because the last time you tried to lead a guild you gave up an instead of being honest with everyone you tried to sell your account on blue on the sly. Seems like history is repeating itself and you're already giving up on Red Dawn 2.0. Thank you for that.

[heartbrand]

"Shame on you because the last time you tried to lead a guild you gave up an instead of being honest with everyone you tried to sell your account on blue on the sly. Seems like history is repeating itself and you're already giving up on Red Dawn 2.0. Thank you for that."

What? Sell my account on blue? WTF are you smoking dude? You're full of shit, trying to justify your sleezy tactics [which you got PERMANENTLY BANNED for] with complete lies. And giving up on Red Dawn? news 2 me, we did full planar clears last night and got a full schedule of raids this weekend.

Literally NO ONE likes you here. You have ZERO friends on this box. You're a cry baby faggot that everyone wishes would just off himself somewhere in a dark alley.

[Twainz]

"Shame on you because the last time you tried to lead a guild you gave up an instead of being honest with everyone you tried to sell your account on blue on the sly. Seems like history is repeating itself and you're already giving up on Red Dawn 2.0. Thank you for that."

What? Sell my account on blue? WTF are you smoking dude? You're full of shit, trying to justify your sleezy tactics [which you got PERMANENTLY BANNED for] with complete lies. And giving up on Red Dawn? news 2 me, we did full planar clears last night and got a full schedule of raids this weekend.

Literally NO ONE likes you here. You have ZERO friends on this box. You're a cry baby faggot that everyone wishes would just off himself somewhere in a dark alley.

Wow, Real life attacks much? Jesus Heartbrand, get a grip.

[mostbitter]

Wow, Real life attacks much? Jesus Heartbrand, get a grip.

Same dude who runs around the board telling people he has all my RL info when its totally off topic.

[heartbrand]

Quick tunak checklist

1) jumps from sky because no shaman loot? Check

2) Guild removes himself repeatedly because he can't play nice with others? Check

3) deletes guild powerlevel bot and strips him because of false rumor? Check

4) stops raid alliance that created competition over sky dkp? Check

5) put zero effort into his characters then cries about them later? Check

6) commits state and federal crimes over elf simulator? Check

7) continues to cry on boards? Check


Make sure you go across the veins btw

[krazyGlue]

Hey tunark for the record afflict got an epic warrior by farming the plat to buy the green scale no1 handed him the epic . All his cobalt gear funded by me . Azrael had nothing to do with it . And btw take your meds it's def about that time

[Rallyd]

Why can't you all just be O.K with the fact that you will never be able to take Nihilum's spot, we're too good/dedicated for you. Just live with it and be happy doing whatever else it is that you can do.

[HippoNipple]

Why can't you all just be O.K with the fact that you will never be able to take Nihilum's spot, we're too good/dedicated for you. Just live with it and be happy doing whatever else it is that you can do.

Taking over Nihilum's spot doesnt' even matter at this point. It is just more fun for the server if everyone can be on at some point when 90% of the end game takes place.

[Bazia]

I have never sold RMT on red, just traded to blue because I played both servers.

I'm actually employed unlike some nerds here, why the hell would I waste 240 hours leveling a toon to sell for what 100 bux or something.

Dumb.

Also when I did play alot in Azrael (4.0?) for 3 months when we were taking dragons (You weren't around) Afflict was the only warrior ever around doing shit, I have no idea who Sootwulf is and Baylen just casually played his ranger 1 or 2 days a week. Afflict def deserved the piece or 2 that the guild helped him get his epic, he actually showed up to stuff.

[Kergan]

Taking over Nihilum's spot doesnt' even matter at this point. It is just more fun for the server if everyone can be on at some point when 90% of the end game takes place.

Other games offer that opportunity, this is EQ.

[heartbrand]

Other games offer that opportunity, this is EQ.

except that's how classic EQ was

[Bazia]

Yeah dog this is EQ where the majority of the server is allied and purposely consume all content at hours specifically designated so the rest of the players cannot compete or even participate (watch, pvp, etc)

Shits tite

[Kinamara]

If you want more pvp, announce when all mobs are spawning, one raid target per day at a pre-announced time, so that everyone who wants can show up. At different times of the day so no guild has an a timezone advantage everytime. No variance bullshit where people can snipe mobs without pvp.

That'll motivate people to log on everyday and pvp and in the end make the box thrive. It'll also make it a lot less grindy to raid than it currently is being in nihilum, where we have to raid for 4h straight to clear everything. Would much rather do 1-2h raids with pvp a few times per week.

Also get rid of any rules that get people banned aside from abusing bugs/hacks/boxing and things of that nature.

[Bazia]

tbh y'all should just do what we did in classic and quit until the next expansion and leave the same 15 people here to farm the same shit for another year or two.

[HippoNipple]

Other games offer that opportunity, this is EQ.

This is literally the only Everquest server in history to be like this so shut up about it being classic. Come up with a reason why it wouldn't be good and don't just keep saying you think it used to be like this so it should stay like this. Everyone has already told you that in classic there were always unscheduled down times that resulted in an environment the majority of the people want here on red99.

[Not_Kazowi]

Why can't you all just be O.K with the fact that you will never be able to take Nihilum's spot, we're too good/dedicated for you. Just live with it and be happy doing whatever else it is that you can do.

Not sure who is trying to take the spot of stay at home sons who play elf sim 100 man emu box professionally.

Some of us just want there to be some PVP and make the box interesting. I know you dudes like logging in at 4am after your mom wakes you up to slay the dragon, but most of us aren't able to do that.

You can be the "big guys on campus" I've already been there done that and gotten the tshirt on a server where you actually had to earn it through competition.

Make shit spawn randomly, nihilum will still get 90% of raid mobs but at least some of us can pvp them for it.

[Kergan]

Not sure who is trying to take the spot of stay at home sons who play elf sim 100 man emu box professionally.

Some of us just want there to be some PVP and make the box interesting. I know you dudes like logging in at 4am after your mom wakes you up to slay the dragon, but most of us aren't able to do that.

You can be the "big guys on campus" I've already been there done that and gotten the tshirt on a server where you actually had to earn it through competition.

Make shit spawn randomly, nihilum will still get 90% of raid mobs but at least some of us can pvp them for it.

Idea was presented and rejected already, give it up.

[HippoNipple]

Idea was presented and rejected already, give it up.

I missed this post, point me in the right direction because I'm curious to see the Devs reasoning for this.

[Kergan]

I missed this post, point me in the right direction because I'm curious to see the Devs reasoning for this.

Use the search function.

[Mac Dretti]

Let's meet at Dreadlands tonight 6 pst

Winner gets Gorenair

[Rallyd]

Everyone just join nihilum and sing koombaya

[Rellapse36]

Everyone just join nihilum and sing koombaya

a guild that def does not want to PvP

[HippoNipple]

Use the search function.

Ahh good you are just talking out of your ass. Was worried the staff may be as dumb as you for a moment. Threat avoided.

[Twainz]

Not sure who is trying to take the spot of stay at home sons who play elf sim 100 man emu box professionally.

Some of us just want there to be some PVP and make the box interesting. I know you dudes like logging in at 4am after your mom wakes you up to slay the dragon, but most of us aren't able to do that.

You can be the "big guys on campus" I've already been there done that and gotten the tshirt on a server where you actually had to earn it through competition.

Make shit spawn randomly, nihilum will still get 90% of raid mobs but at least some of us can pvp them for it.

Funny I've never heard of VZTZ except when you talk about how big you were on VZTZ. Someone told me that your guild was given to you then you let everyone that no one liked in.

[HippoNipple]

Someone told me that your guild was given to you then you let everyone that no one liked in.

Sounds like a guild I know on red99....

[Rallyd]

Sounds like a guild I know on red99....

Red Dawn? Good call.

[marie]

http://puu.sh/6KQE3.jpg

[Mac Dretti]

Sick blades where can I get some

[karsten]

sounds like there have been some good pro and con arguments, so let's get the guinea pig going!



simulated patch month, february 2014