GM's.. Are you listening?

[mikemandella]

I have played on this server for years.. on both sides. As a level 60 player my pals and I have very little reason to log in. Here is why:

If I want high end content of any type IE any 7 day timer.. there is one guild to chose from..

If I want remotely winnable PVP then I have to PVP vs half the server or there literally is nobody in range.

Now I want to see this box succeed as much as the next guy. We all want the same thing in the end. In the end it is still just a game... I am not a fan of variance. I think it would just be a way to grief Nihilum and don't support it. I also don't support rotations like we have on blue.. We should have to fight for our mobs.. I am cool with that and I think most of us are.

However we need to find a happy medium. This project is supposed to provide a play experience to ALL PLAYERS. That is why we have a much needed PNP.

The server population has proven time and time again that without intervention they are not capable of providing a fun gameplay experience for EVERYONE. This isn't any one players or Nihilum/RD/Azraels server.. it's everyones..

There will always be a power guild, but even FOH, Afterlife, etc.. all had to actually compete. They didn't get to farm because nobody else was on the server. Isn't that experience much closer to classic than a 2 year 99.5% stranglehold?

Does playing on a empty box really simulate "classic" and the sport of competition??

As a community can we come together and find a constructive solution?

- Oppressor

[quido]

The real problem is in the red community.

Too many spineless weaklings that defect rather than fight the good fight.

[Kergan]

I think this is a pretty good post. But my opinion is that you can't fix this server the way people are asking without double or triple the population, and what is going on with RD/Nihilum at the high end isn't what is causing population issues.

What I think we can do though is talk about some changes that may keep people involved once they decided to start here, implement some of those changes and then have some events to attempt to grow the population.

I'd say my first suggestion would be put the PVP range to +/- 4 like RZ.

Another would be to increase exp rate bonus from 1-50.

The third would be to get commitment from guild leadership of all major guilds to have guild sponsored events for the lower level population. Be it level 20-30 PVP tournaments (Mrbigs could be a boss mob..take him down and win a CoF or something), guild plvl events, item raffles, whatever. Do what it takes to change the outside opinions. Maybe get some blue players to reroll, who knows.

Probably not popular with a lot of people but whatever.

[heartbrand]

While that's true Edward, the system is rigged to help make defecting the easy play.

[heartbrand]

If you don't think the end game here turns players away then I don't know what to tell you. While it is obviously not the only issue (the ghost town environment with zero groups from 1-60 is huge) it's a HUGE issue.

[quido]

I know HB - I think Nihilum is even more spineless and weak for taking apps they don't need just to spit in the opposition's face over some perceived slight.

[mikemandella]

Kergan: You make some strong points. Thanks for contributing constructively!

I like your ideas to make it more fun and involving for new players. I think that's a better approach for sure.

I am trying follow what you are saying without putting words in your mouth. My observation from what you wrote is that you would say the biggest problem we have is a population one?

1) If we are trying to attract more casuals, what does the current endgame offer them?

2) What would you propose for keeping them here once they hit 52 and minimizing the burn and churn we all agree is a problem? Thanks again for your input!

[Kergan]

If you don't think the end game here turns players away then I don't know what to tell you. While it is obviously not the only issue (the ghost town environment with zero groups from 1-60 is huge) it's a HUGE issue.

I think I've come to realize that the majority of people who start here just want some casual PVP and/or a faster exp rate. The way things are setup now actually may help retain some players believe it or not, as they can join Nihilum and don't have 3 hour PVP battles over every dragon. The die hards that come with blood lust are few and far between.

Most people never make it to the high end to see what its like, they are griefed off by untagged RD/Azrael alts in Unrest or MM. Sorry to turn this post somewhat inflammatory but I watched with my own two eyes the way the level 20-50 game is on this server as my brother solo'd up on his monk. He was basically followed into every nook and cranny of any outdoor Kunark exp zones by rangers like Exed and murdered, all the while being told to app to RD. Basically, join or die. Your guild causes as many if not more problems with this server population with that behavior, plus a couple choice murderbots in group friendly exp zones, then Nihilum does with their dominance and stranglehold of the top 1% of the game.

For all the shit you guys give Tune about murdering level 52s, he could have had a full VP geared warrior or rogue in Unrest obliterating everyone in site and never did, and so could many Nihilum members.

[Stasis01]

GM's riding blue success to paid GM positions in Pantheon project I bet =)

GM's opinion on red is just "that's just EQ pvp, it never really worked on live or here"

Having a box dedicated to a neckbeard crew farming static boring raid mob targets is disgusting, and support the above messages.

Just need variance, they won't work hard for those lesser targets they need nothing from, and throw a 2nd guild a bone - farming static mobs is easy and efficient, and boring.

[Elderan]

End game isn't for everyone nor should it be.

A healthy server needs the bulk of people ok with farming, pvping and just playing non raid targets.

[Stasis01]

I think I've come to realize that the majority of people who start here just want some casual PVP and/or a faster exp rate. The way things are setup now actually may help retain some players believe it or not, as they can join Nihilum and don't have 3 hour PVP battles over every dragon. The die hards that come with blood lust are few and far between.

Most people never make it to the high end to see what its like, they are griefed off by untagged RD/Azrael alts in Unrest or MM. Sorry to turn this post somewhat inflammatory but I watched with my own two eyes the way the level 20-50 game is on this server as my brother solo'd up on his monk. He was basically followed into every nook and cranny of any outdoor Kunark exp zones by rangers like Exed and murdered, all the while being told to app to RD. Basically, join or die. Your guild causes as many if not more problems with this server population with that behavior, plus a couple choice murderbots in group friendly exp zones, then Nihilum does with their dominance and stranglehold of the top 1% of the game.

For all the shit you guys give Tune about murdering level 52s, he could have had a full VP geared warrior or rogue in Unrest obliterating everyone in site and never did, and so could many Nihilum members.

Nihi has many Unrest twinks, and who cares about that insignificant shit? Ugh you're fucking retarded.

[mikemandella]

I know HB - I think Nihilum is even more spineless and weak for taking apps they don't need just to spit in the opposition's face over some perceived slight.

You know I respect you Jeremy, but without personal attacks from either side let's get our points out there and not scare away the GM's from adding input..

I'm gonna say that you think the guilds could come to some type of agreement? I am not involved with blue as much as you. Has being forced to work together on blue helped make it better for EVERYONE?

- Oppressor

[Took]

Reset the box once a month randomly.

[Kergan]

Kergan: You make some strong points. Thanks for contributing constructively!

I like your ideas to make it more fun and involving for new players. I think that's a better approach for sure.

I am trying follow what you are saying without putting words in your mouth. My observation from what you wrote is that you would say the biggest problem we have is a population one?


No problem. I want a better server too. Sorry to go off course a little bit on my last reply.


1) If we are trying to attract more casuals, what does the current endgame offer them?


Endgame does not apply to casual players in EverQuest honestly. If we want to define casual as 1 or 2 groupable content without high end gear, Velious will add loads of it. There are also PoH/PoF gear runs which are very doable by mediocre geared mid 50s and some epics are completable start to finish with a small crew.


2) What would you propose for keeping them here once they hit 52 and minimizing the burn and churn we all agree is a problem? Thanks again for your input!

Well, EQ is gonna be EQ man. If you don't want to farm gear, make alts and farm more gear...the PVE side of this game isn't for you. The good news is in the classic era through Velious the difference between a very good geared player and a decent geared character with droppable/quest reward stuff isn't nearly as big as other games or other eras in EQ.

Dynamic content is always a draw for people. The chance to win cosmetic/slightly useful prestige items like deceiver masks can make for some fun events. Maybe if we show the staff we're willing to support those type of events among ourselves they'll be more inclined to host more events for us with GM rewards?

[mikemandella]

End game isn't for everyone nor should it be.

A healthy server needs the bulk of people ok with farming, pvping and just playing non raid targets.

Thanks for adding input without flaming someone.

Elderan: Would you say this is the current end game we already have? Would you have any constructive input on how to improve it? (unless you don't think it needs improved ofcourse)

Thanks again for adding to the discussion.

- Oppressor

[Kergan]

Nihi has many Unrest twinks, and who cares about that insignificant shit? Ugh you're fucking retarded.

Pretty sure the groups of legit level 20s getting wrecked by Mrbigs cares a lot more about this "insignificant shit" then if RD has a shot at killing Trakanon this week.

But hey, everyone who starts here spawns as a level 60 with all their spells right? So that low level shit is just for show.

[Stasis01]

I've done low levels multiple times as I'm a more casual/alt type player, and most of the times it's empty zones that grief you, although FOH is pretty active in griefing lowbies in Guk area and that actually sucks because it's groups of players etc.

Chewie is usually the one supporting Nihi point of views, in terms of wanting things more grief/hardcoreish.

[HippoNipple]

I think this is a pretty good post. But my opinion is that you can't fix this server the way people are asking without double or triple the population, and what is going on with RD/Nihilum at the high end isn't what is causing population issues.

What I think we can do though is talk about some changes that may keep people involved once they decided to start here, implement some of those changes and then have some events to attempt to grow the population.

I'd say my first suggestion would be put the PVP range to +/- 4 like RZ.

Another would be to increase exp rate bonus from 1-50.

The third would be to get commitment from guild leadership of all major guilds to have guild sponsored events for the lower level population. Be it level 20-30 PVP tournaments (Mrbigs could be a boss mob..take him down and win a CoF or something), guild plvl events, item raffles, whatever. Do what it takes to change the outside opinions. Maybe get some blue players to reroll, who knows.

Probably not popular with a lot of people but whatever.

A larger population would just add to the zerg and lag problems when it was 100 vs 100 in two guilds since Nihilum recruits no matter what their numbers are. You say this server needs population but you should be able to do any encounter with 24 people logged in. Instead there are 40+. If Nizzar had the choice between 60 members and 100 he would choose 100. If Nihilum did the right thing and instead of becoming the power house number 1 zerg, tried to become the power house number 1 elite guild, the server could be fun.

You wouldn't be in Nihilum at that point, so there is some added competition to the server right there.

[Kergan]

A larger population would just add to the zerg and lag problems when it was 100 vs 100 in two guilds since Nihilum recruits no matter what their numbers are. You say this server needs population but you should be able to do any encounter with 24 people logged in. Instead there are 40+. If Nizzar had the choice between 60 members and 100 he would choose 100. If Nihilum did the right thing and instead of becoming the power house number 1 zerg, tried to become the power house number 1 elite guild, the server could be fun.

You wouldn't be in Nihilum at that point, so there is some added competition to the server right there.

I get my DKP from forumquesting, I might make the cut if the Duke is feeling generous.

It's funny you're basically asking Nizzar to cut his shittiest members so RD can recruit them though.

I've said this a few times to your posts but it just seems to me you just don't like EverQuest man, maybe try a different game?

[mikemandella]

Reset the box once a month randomly.

I am getting that general feeling too, atleast some type of "randomization" is needed.

Thanks for your input!

- Oppressor

[Kergan]

I am getting that general feeling too, atleast some type of "randomization" is needed.

Thanks for your input!

- Oppressor

Be careful with that word, sounds a lot like variance.

What about if instead of mobs being on lets say a 168 hour repop make them on a 166 hour repop? Basically if something spawns at 7PM one week it'll spawn at 5PM the next week.

I think the biggest stumbling block on any sort or patch day/simulated repop type thing is it isn't coded in. Basically staff would have to do it manually. Changing a spawn timer would seem like an easy way to accomplish the same basic thing.

[mikemandella]

Someone brought up the idea of staggered spawns... This sounds a lot like that. Is that what you are talking about?

-Oppressor

[mikemandella]

While that's true Edward, the system is rigged to help make defecting the easy play.

HB! thanks for adding your input. Without going too far down tinfoil hat road. How do you mean? I don't think you mean the server is rigged, but that as a new player it's easy to jump to that conclusion. I can see where you are coming from, but in a quick bullet point form what are say the top 3 things you think would help!

Thanks man,


- Oppressor

[quido]

You know I respect you Jeremy, but without personal attacks from either side let's get our points out there and not scare away the GM's from adding input..

I'm gonna say that you think the guilds could come to some type of agreement? I am not involved with blue as much as you. Has being forced to work together on blue helped make it better for EVERYONE?

- Oppressor

I'm not trying to attack anyone in particular here - this is just the reality of the dynamic on red. There's no cure for being a weakling. I don't blame Nihilum for doing what they do - it is completely rational - but it makes for a crap box all the same.

I don't really feel like pontificating regarding blue at the moment.

I think shrinking the PvP level range is a good start. Aside from that and other ideas that have been shot down, I'm not sure what else can be done to help foster a better environment across the board here. Maybe people should recruit a different breed of people to this server instead of people who just want to make it to the top as quickly and effortlessly as possible. I don't know.

[Derubael]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

[Kergan]

Someone brought up the idea of staggered spawns... This sounds a lot like that. Is that what you are talking about?

-Oppressor

Not sure I'd have to read what they said. I didn't see it mentioned in this thread though? I guess as long as the spawn times are known (i.e. no variance) it would be a similar idea.

[mikemandella]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

ERHMAGHGAD

BLUE

TEXT..

With that said, this sounds like the direction this thread is evolving to. Let's get some input guys!

Thanks Derubael!!

- Oppressor

[lite]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

simulated patch days .....? We've been promised that for a while now, as a weak substitute to variance.

[Stasis01]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

FOR SCIENCE?

The neckbeards that have complete control will say no, anyone else including people who QUIT would say yes.

I can already give you the results.

[heartbrand]

Variance = Awful
Simulated Repop = Amazing

[Took]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

DO IT.

[Kergan]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

I think weekly is too much. Even bi-monthly is a bit aggressive for something untested here. I'd start it out at once a month or so for a bit and see how it goes.

[Stasis01]

Once a month a second guild may be able to snag Fay? That'd be a real game changer Kergan.

[mikemandella]

One months definitely too long, especially if these are "random times".

I would say 2 - 3 weeks is probably the sweet spot PLUS / MINUS a few days since it's random and all :D

[lite]

no disrespect derubael, this is a pointless conversation. Rogean and the staff gave the green light on simulated patch days, on sirken's stream. The day that they made the announcements of teams server. This should have been live long ago, but other more important shit apparently has taken priority. Apparently there's more important things than red getting worse by the day, by the same rules that have plagued it for 2 years.

[lite]

I personally think Simulated patch days are inferior to Variance, as I'd like the action to take place on several occasions throughout the week. Rather then remain concentrated in one very small window of time.

[Took]

Lets not give derubael a hard time. He's at least communicating with the playerbase, the head admin(s) however are MIA or busy. Which imo is why red99 struggles, just a lack of administrative involvement in it.

[heartbrand]

I personally think Simulated patch days are inferior to Variance, as I'd like the action to take place on several occasions throughout the week. Rather then remain concentrated in one very small window of time.

Variance is awful for us. It takes us forever just to mobilize to fucking VP when there's NO NIHILUM on, and you want to put variance in? Thankfully, variance won't happen here tho, pras the lord.

[Tradesonred]

Have a new server with item loot, variance, no xp loss in pvp, no PnP, Events that drop no drop gear and no drop gear put on various mobs to offset the harshness of Item loot.

Launch with velious.

Great success

[heartbrand]

And yes, once a month is far too infrequent. Needs to be bi-weekly @ a minimum, but I see no reason to not do it the way it is on blue, weekly.

[Tradesonred]

Have a new server with item loot, variance, no xp loss in pvp, no PnP, Events that drop no drop gear and no drop gear put on various mobs to offset the harshness of Item loot.

Launch with velious.

Great success

Who cares if its harder to get loot with variance. When you finally get that piece of no drop gear that you fought hard for, itll be even more rewarding.

[heartbrand]

DUDE THAT ISNT HAPPENING SO STOP SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD WITH IT

[mikemandella]

Have a new server with item loot, variance, no xp loss in pvp, no PnP, Events that drop no drop gear and no drop gear put on various mobs to offset the harshness of Item loot.

Launch with velious.

Great success

Hey pal I know you are trying to add value and I am going to presume you are not trolling since I know english is not your first language!

Please stay on topic though. A new server isn't an option right now.

Thanks!

- Oppressor

[Sektor]

repops every week would be amazing. Just can't be repops every week at 5 am should be random.

[lite]

Variance is awful for us. It takes us forever just to mobilize to fucking VP when there's NO NIHILUM on, and you want to put variance in? Thankfully, variance won't happen here tho, pras the lord.

I am not gonna argue with you publicly about this. I think you are wrong. I don't think a real definition on how things would work can be determined until people are motivated enough. Which will not occur until the staff finally makes an effort to make this server cater to player type other than the neckbeard and zerger.

[heartbrand]

Variance caters 2 neckbeards. Dunno how this is confusing to you. If variance would put in Red Dawn would get z e r o mobs. Z E R O.

[Mac Dretti]

Lol its the same thing evvvveeerrryyyywwweeeeeeek.....

Is Nihilum really the problem? Is it the lack of variance?

You know I fought against Nihilum for over a year, did being level 60 and not being in Nihilum grief me off? No.

What's the difference between Nihilum and The Other Guys? Leadership. Coordination. Motivation.

Nizzar is the only guild leader to not stray. Lite has led several oppositions but could never follow through, he's too emotional power hungry and annoying so nobody wants to continue following him long term. He also promote a clique play style that is detrimental to guild progress.

What about Heartbrand, he's leading the current number 2 and has done it more than once. But HB is too emotional. You wear your emotions on the forum and in aimchat. Every other day your happy and on top of the world and taking the smallest inch gained to the forums with boasting and then once something doesn't go your way, your bitching moaning and ready to disband your guild. This happened when you were leading RD 1.0 and you apped Nilly. Now you call ex members out in OOC and can't avoid the forums. Forums are for people like me. Trolls. Not guild leaders to be upset about things not going their way.

What about Kringe? Kringe made the biggest splash against Nihilum post Kunark by using the server ruleset to his advantage. He knew when mobs popped. Surprise it's not a secret. He pushed timers to times that benefitted his guild and not Nihilum. Unfortunately the variance or repop factor you all continue to think will make things better for you was the biggest detriment to Kringes guild contesting because it reset mobs back to Nihilums superior mobilization and batphone.

Instead of crying about every PvP death on a PvP server ( by the way PnP means you can't be griefed or bind camped) why don't you keep leveling up. Stop saying your 80 man guild is level 52. Stop saying your 80 man guild of level 52s is in Walmart gear. Make gains.

Tldr

[mikemandella]

Lol its the same thing evvvveeerrryyyywwweeeeeeek.....

Is Nihilum really the problem? Is it the lack of variance?

You know I fought against Nihilum for over a year, did being level 60 and not being in Nihilum grief me off? No.

What's the difference between Nihilum and The Other Guys? Leadership. Coordination. Motivation.

Nizzar is the only guild leader to not stray. Lite has led several oppositions but could never follow through, he's too emotional power hungry and annoying so nobody wants to continue following him long term. He also promote a clique play style that is detrimental to guild progress.

What about Heartbrand, he's leading the current number 2 and has done it more than once. But HB is too emotional. You wear your emotions on the forum and in aimchat. Every other day your happy and on top of the world and taking the smallest inch gained to the forums with boasting and then once something doesn't go your way, your bitching moaning and ready to disband your guild. This happened when you were leading RD 1.0 and you apped Nilly. Now you call ex members out in OOC and can't avoid the forums. Forums are for people like me. Trolls. Not guild leaders to be upset about things not going their way.

What about Kringe? Kringe made the biggest splash against Nihilum post Kunark by using the server ruleset to his advantage. He knew when mobs popped. Surprise it's not a secret. He pushed timers to times that benefitted his guild and not Nihilum. Unfortunately the variance or repop factor you all continue to think will make things better for you was the biggest detriment to Kringes guild contesting because it reset mobs back to Nihilums superior mobilization and batphone.

Instead of crying about every PvP death on a PvP server ( by the way PnP means you can't be griefed or bind camped) why don't you keep leveling up. Stop saying your 80 man guild is level 52. Stop saying your 80 man guild of level 52s is in Walmart gear. Make gains.

Tldr

While I welcome actual suggestions do not degenerate this thread into another jimmies rustled, TLDR, post.. If you disagree make real points. Don't make personal and/or guild attacks.. we already know how you feel..

- Oppressor

[mikemandella]

I am not gonna argue with you publicly about this. I think you are wrong. I don't think a real definition on how things would work can be determined until people are motivated enough. Which will not occur until the staff finally makes an effort to make this server cater to player type other than the neckbeard and zerger.

I appreciate your feedback and thanks for not just attacking people you disagree with. In the end it sounds you think some shift from the status quo will help. While simulated repops might not be your best choice. Do you think it will help or hurt the servers current state?

Thanks for keeping it positive.

- Oppressor

[Stasis01]

Lol its the same thing evvvveeerrryyyywwweeeeeeek.....

Is Nihilum really the problem? Is it the lack of variance?

You know I fought against Nihilum for over a year, did being level 60 and not being in Nihilum grief me off? No.

What's the difference between Nihilum and The Other Guys? Leadership. Coordination. Motivation.

Nizzar is the only guild leader to not stray. Lite has led several oppositions but could never follow through, he's too emotional power hungry and annoying so nobody wants to continue following him long term. He also promote a clique play style that is detrimental to guild progress.

What about Heartbrand, he's leading the current number 2 and has done it more than once. But HB is too emotional. You wear your emotions on the forum and in aimchat. Every other day your happy and on top of the world and taking the smallest inch gained to the forums with boasting and then once something doesn't go your way, your bitching moaning and ready to disband your guild. This happened when you were leading RD 1.0 and you apped Nilly. Now you call ex members out in OOC and can't avoid the forums. Forums are for people like me. Trolls. Not guild leaders to be upset about things not going their way.

What about Kringe? Kringe made the biggest splash against Nihilum post Kunark by using the server ruleset to his advantage. He knew when mobs popped. Surprise it's not a secret. He pushed timers to times that benefitted his guild and not Nihilum. Unfortunately the variance or repop factor you all continue to think will make things better for you was the biggest detriment to Kringes guild contesting because it reset mobs back to Nihilums superior mobilization and batphone.

Instead of crying about every PvP death on a PvP server ( by the way PnP means you can't be griefed or bind camped) why don't you keep leveling up. Stop saying your 80 man guild is level 52. Stop saying your 80 man guild of level 52s is in Walmart gear. Make gains.

Tldr

I guess the point of this thread is if you don't got the crew of no lifers that can robot this shit you're fucked and tough shit we got everything?

Also, you gave up and joined Nihi, that might as well be griefed off.

[Took]

Literally just need mobs not respawning at 5am for years on end.

RD can field a force they just can't do it when everyones taking care of RL shit (or sleeping.)

[mikemandella]

I guess the point of this thread is if you don't got the crew of no lifers that can robot this shit you're fucked and tough shit we got everything?

Also, you gave up and joined Nihi, that might as well be griefed off.

Let's keep it clean man.. We all want the same thing to have fun with pals. I've heard you in TS man I know how bad you want to see this box be a success!


- Oppressor

[Stasis01]

g1 =)

[Mac Dretti]

I guess the point of this thread is if you don't got the crew of no lifers that can robot this shit you're fucked and tough shit we got everything?

Also, you gave up and joined Nihi, that might as well be griefed off.

Nobody gave up

I can't stand azrael. Me and HB were chummin it up and I wanted to PvP with him HPT and gongshow.

I'll remind you I'm top 5% dawg and when dentists aren't around, sitting in Azrael teamspeak as am alternative is hair pulling bad.

I might post a lot but I work full time. I don't have time to teach a baddie how to 3 box easy content nor do I have time to sit around while 5 baddies 3 box and wipe on easy content and take 30 minutes to port a bunch of alts around.

Oh and as Heresy, we had more successful PvP against Nihilum when we ACTUALLY were level 52 vs 60 than Azrael has 60vs60.

Get better
Don't cry.

[BrobbVZ]

Rettiwalk... you are lost. Redeem yourself please.

[Stasis01]

Your guild gave up the fastest you'd win that award if you're trying to take some ownership of the whole Heresy situation.

[Stasis01]

Did Heresy ever take a mob? No it made it to planar trash, ship jumper to established #1 guild a week after planar trash grief tellen me to play better.

Mutha fucker.

[Tradesonred]

DUDE THAT ISNT HAPPENING SO STOP SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD WITH IT

lol HEEEEEEY MAN... CHILL ON DAT COFFEE

I think a new server is alot less pipedreamy than thinking this box will ever reach 200+ regularly again, where a proper new server could maybe bring out those numbers and then some.

[Mac Dretti]

And when we were leveling up as Dentists we literally ported to every single exp zone to dodge Nihilum while we grinder to 60 . One night in particular spent about 3 or 4 hours going from Chardok to the Hole to Guk to Seb to H'S back to Chardok while 3 groups of Nilly hounded us. Did we cry about it? No because we don't suck and it's a PvP server. And inb4 lolnillygrief as a vocal troll oocing and forum questing against a top guild we expected to be harassed during exp.

Get better
dealwithit

[Stasis01]

Dentists also think it's one sided and rigged, and stopped playing for the most part.

Interesting history choices ur using.

[Mac Dretti]

Did Heresy ever take a mob? No it made it to planar trash, ship jumper to established #1 guild a week after planar trash grief tellen me to play better.

Mutha fucker.

I won't speak for anyone else in Heresy but I never had a pipe dream of Contesting. We started that guild as level 30s.

Get glad not sad
Get better

[Dacuk]

Thanks for actively modding your thread Opressor!

My preference would be for there to be opportunity to contest raid mobs when there is most population on as often as possible. (i.e. not within a 3 hour window during typical working hours every tuesday)

[Stasis01]

You dodged all their hit squads made it to 60 like a badass and joined them, SUCCESS STORY BAM.

[chu]

Get glad not sad
Get better

[Mac Dretti]

You dodged all their hit squads made it to 60 like a badass and joined them, SUCCESS STORY BAM.

Was in Nilly during 3 phases of opposition until lost botb to his guild leader and Finished posting bluebie screenshots typing /salute to dragons

Now cries about server being unfair

[mikemandella]

I won't speak for anyone else in Heresy but I never had a pipe dream of Contesting. We started that guild as level 30s.

Get glad not sad
Get better

Can you not derail?

Now I don't know you that well, but never had a problem and heard some cool things. Do you want to add something constructive? It seems you are arguing about some guild you used to be in. I know it is not just you man, but I am serious. This server means a lot to all of us. I have been patient and respectful. Guys can we stay on topic?

- Oppressor

[Mac Dretti]

Can you not derail?

Do you have something of value to add? It seems you are arguing about some guild you used to be in. I know it is not just you man, but I am serious. This server means a lot to all of us. I have been patient and respectful. Guys can we stay on topic?

What's off topic nerd, I put a tldr about why your OP is misguided and how 1 guild leader was able to use ruleset to win. You replied by saying don't go off topic.

Do u even forum?

[Twainz]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

630pm EST + works for me :D

[mikemandella]

What's off topic nerd, I put a tldr about why your OP is misguided and how 1 guild leader was able to use ruleset to win. You replied by saying don't go off topic.

Do u even forum?

I tell you I value your feedback (which wasn't a troll) and you swing back with a personal attack.. awesome. You've basically told me you don't want to add anything.

If we actually want the GM's to care about the thread let's not feed the trolls and resort to personal attacks... this has gotten us where we currently are.

Thanks,

- Oppressor

[NotKringe]

You dodged all their hit squads made it to 60 like a badass and joined them, SUCCESS STORY BAM.

Tbh it sounds similar to what you did no? I mean where were you when we were pushing content for 2 weeks taking everything... I'll remind you.. You were on late night with Ender, training us "taking that ban for the team" to try and prevent the opposition from gaining any ground... And now since you've left them, you are a huge proponent of exactly the same shit you were willing to take a ban for on the otherside..

It's a silly turn of events I know, but you cant go around calling everyone this and that when you yourself are the cause of the exact things you bitch about daily when you were on the other side right?


I think Oppressor's point is valid and something hopefully they would atleast try.

[mikemandella]

630pm EST + works for me :D

Hey pal! Thanks for chiming in! I know you are at work, but I really would like to hear some more from you about the simulated repops Derubael is referring to. (good/or bad).

- Oppressor

[BrobbVZ]

Oppressor, you're trying to reason with Nihilum.... you know better than this.

[Stasis01]

Retti is going back into full troll mode where he spams pictures and says u mad, because he's beyond retarded to actually talk to like he did a page or two ago.

He says you gotta be a badass like Dentists/Heresy, who quit. And the fact that he made it to 60 and joined Nihilum while accomplishing nothing is some testimonial that you can compete on Red99 if you play better which no one has been able to do for years keeping population down.

[Mac Dretti]

Retti is going back into full troll mode where he spams pictures and says u mad, because he's beyond retarded to actually talk to like he did a page or two ago.

He says you gotta be a badass like Dentists/Heresy, who quit. And the fact that he made it to 60 and joined Nihilum while accomplishing nothing is some testimonial that you can compete on Red99 if you play better which no one has been able to do for years keeping population down.

I've leveled 4 out of 5 of my characters to near max level while not in Nihilum

Don't be bad
Be rad

[Stasis01]

Tbh it sounds similar to what you did no? I mean where were you when we were pushing content for 2 weeks taking everything... I'll remind you.. You were on late night with Ender, training us "taking that ban for the team" to try and prevent the opposition from gaining any ground... And now since you've left them, you are a huge proponent of exactly the same shit you were willing to take a ban for on the otherside..

It's a silly turn of events I know, but you cant go around calling everyone this and that when you yourself are the cause of the exact things you bitch about daily when you were on the other side right?


I think Oppressor's point is valid and something hopefully they would atleast try.

Retti is saying play better, and giving examples, when those examples don't make sense.

ESPECIALLY himself, I think play better is ran out - any of your personal BS, I don't really care.

[NotKringe]

Retti is going back into full troll mode where he spams pictures and says u mad, because he's beyond retarded to actually talk to like he did a page or two ago.

He says you gotta be a badass like Dentists/Heresy, who quit. And the fact that he made it to 60 and joined Nihilum while accomplishing nothing is some testimonial that you can compete on Red99 if you play better which no one has been able to do for years keeping population down.

There is a huge difference in quitting and being demoralized by 42 day Server MANDATORY SHIT WILL BLOW UP TONIGHT resets.. Where have those been the past 6 months since we quit?

Anywho,
I wont derail and back on topic... Simulated Patch Repops would probably be a good start for anyone new to have a chance.

[mikemandella]

Retti is going back into full troll mode where he spams pictures and says u mad, because he's beyond retarded to actually talk to like he did a page or two ago.

He says you gotta be a badass like Dentists/Heresy, who quit. And the fact that he made it to 60 and joined Nihilum while accomplishing nothing is some testimonial that you can compete on Red99 if you play better which no one has been able to do for years keeping population down.

I am all for free speech. Let's give everyone a chance to add something constructive tho. This really is not just us it's about the future players who read this stuff and don't know where people are coming from.. etc..

- Oppressor

[Stasis01]

I could feel in your text you were beaten regardless in POF when we smashed you guys up good.

You did the same shit other guild leaders do after going toe to toe with the neckbeards for a month or so, which is why I don't put personal blame on resistance pals.

I could sense your long messages were coming through super fast, a lot of it was haha we're winning by pushing timers even tho massive YT's given/exp losses.

It's the typical Red99 grind vs the neckbeards that I have experienced on both sides, and believe me NO one can compete with this rule set, it favors one guild.

Or maybe one reset killed your entire guild, I guess.

[mikemandella]

There is a huge difference in quitting and being demoralized by 42 day Server MANDATORY SHIT WILL BLOW UP TONIGHT resets.. Where have those been the past 6 months since we quit?

Anywho,
I wont derail and back on topic... Simulated Patch Repops would probably be a good start for anyone new to have a chance.

Thanks Kringe! You know I look up to you! I am all for competition and like having you guys playing.. even if it's not always on our side! I agree let's all stay on topic. After all, it's for science and the betterment of the server!

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

Gotta love the, "it's heartbrands fault people don't log on @ 7am est to contest VS" arguments.

[Mac Dretti]

Gotta love the, "it's heartbrands fault people don't log on @ 7am est to contest VS" arguments.

Oh i didn't see that mentioned can you use quotes please

http://cdn5.movieclips.com/fox/o/office-space-1999/0365066_13327_MC_UTx360.jpg

[fiegi 8.0]

hb is a saint

[Eslade]

OK guys, let's be honest. Noobs could give two shits about the top end and raiding. Let's cater to the noobs then.
Multiply the XP in a different zone each week to get everyone in one zone.
Definitely increase the xp modifier for lower levels.
Low end GM events with low end droppable gear.
VERY random drops on low end gear from random mobs.

As for the raiding end, why not have 3 raid mobs spawn at random during the week?

Noobs are what we need, so let's encourage people to start here.

[NotKringe]

I could feel in your text you were beaten regardless in POF when we smashed you guys up good.

You did the same shit other guild leaders do after going toe to toe with the neckbeards for a month or so, which is why I don't put personal blame on resistance pals.

I could sense your long messages were coming through super fast, a lot of it was haha we're winning by pushing timers even tho massive YT's given/exp losses.

It's the typical Red99 grind vs the neckbeards that I have experienced on both sides, and believe me NO one can compete with this rule set, it favors one guild.

Or maybe one reset killed your entire guild, I guess.

There were actually 3 Server resets within a 2 week time frame during the time we took every dragon from Nihilum in 2 weeks...All of them pushed dragon times to 3-4pm est which wasn't our prime time..This hasn't been accomplished since...



But enough of the bickering..I do hope Deruabel will try and push to atleast try a Simulated Repop for like a month... It would take Rogean like 2mins to set a Scheduled Task for this.

[chu]

red dawn can't even force a server reset with 8x the active members that dentists had :/
must be a guild morale issue

[HippoNipple]

red dawn can't even force a server reset with 8x the active members that dentists had :/
must be a guild morale issue

Guild employment issue.

[chu]

you tryin to call dentists unemployed? like some kind of amateur teeth cleaners or somethin? tread carefully

[HippoNipple]

http://the-libertarian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/geek-nerd-lottery-cash-money-winner-600x381.jpg

It's okay though, having a job will pay off in Velious when we are playing on the server uncontested.

[bigshowtime]

It's okay though, having a job will pay off in Velious when we are playing on the server uncontested.

sounds pretty red to me

[Mac Dretti]

O a guy that doesn't play is threatening to not play if gms don't change ruleset

Better cave into his terrorist demands

[mikemandella]

http://the-libertarian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/geek-nerd-lottery-cash-money-winner-600x381.jpg

It's okay though, having a job will pay off in Velious when we are playing on the server uncontested.

Literally adding nothing. I do not care what side you are on. Cmon bro we all know your feelings. Let's help Derubael find a solution for change not another reason to write our community off as a "lost cause"..

Thanks!

- Oppressor

[big mouth chew]

sounds pretty red to me

this

[mikemandella]

O a guy that doesn't play is threatening to not play if gms don't change ruleset

Better cave into his terrorist demands

I agree with Retti on this... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the player base has no leverage.. Right now RED99 is something the staff tolerates do to years of ass hattery on both sides.. We all walk a very fine line.. Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth... They are trying to communicate.. surprise them as a community and add something to the talk!

- Oppressor

[Eslade]

We need more ideas about how to encourage people to start from scratch. We're concentrating too much on raiding and not enough on people starting here. We have make it attractive to newer players to come here instead of blue. Obviously the xp isn't incentive enough. We have to corral the new players and make them want to stay in the same zone. That way even with a low pop, you won't be alone all the time.

[mikemandella]

I think we all agree on that Eslade. I'd say one step at a time right now. There are a lot of good ideas to make it a better and easier ride for new comers..

Durubael want's to know the PRO's and CON's of simulated repops do you have anything you'd add to that topic?

- Oppressor

[mikemandella]

Here is a good place to start...

Arguments against repops:

1) Tough luck to the other guilds. Either man up and contest or don't.

2) End game isn't for everyone

3) Will result in more items "flooding" the game

4) Seems anti-competitive

5) Seems to favor one guild [red dawn]

Reasons FOR repops

1) Server is incredibly stagnant in it's current state which has led to a declining population with multiple people stating they have quit because of it

2) Due to the incredibly infrequency of resets here compared to live or even with blue with variance, one unfavorable reset @ an odd hour can result in months in a row of mobs @ awful times that a majority of players can never hope to attend, thereby completely restricting access to the game to a significant % of players

3) Could result in higher pop and serve as a catalyst to bringing some people back, which could very well result in bigger scale pvp battles

4) Some of the most exciting pvp is that which is "spontaneous" on the spot with two guilds struggling to bat phone and rush mobs, whereas "planned" pvp is usually decided hours ahead of the battle by whoever has more logged on level 60's

5) Repops are classic, 3 months + of no repops where timers barely move is not

6) Zero long term damage can come from a test run of it

7) Will desperately be needed for Velious where the gear difference can become too large to be gapped in planned guild v guild battles

8) Allows for potentially even a third or fourth guild, particularly in Velious, to rise up

If we can all agree those are the main reasons people are in favor... Can we get some counter's to the "reasons for" HB listed? All feedback is welcome!

Thanks guys,

- Oppressor

[Eslade]

I think we all agree on that Eslade. I'd say one step at a time right now. There are a lot of good ideas to make it a better and easier ride for new comers..

Durubael want's to know the PRO's and CON's of simulated repops do you have anything you'd add to that topic?

- Oppressor

Yeah, randomly spawn 3-5 boss mobs at different times during the week on top of the 7 day rotation.
Example:
Cazic Thule spawns at 7pm eastern on a Wednesay.
Innoruuk spawns at 8am eastern on a Saturday.
Nagafen spawns at lunch on a Sunday.

Not exactly those mobs and not exactly those times, all while the 7 day timer is stilll going. Why not make them spawn in random zones just to really throw a wrench in.

[Not_Kazowi]

hb is a saint

[Tradesonred]

Its been said a million times whats wrong with the server, its fucking boring to a PVPer.

You guys better get used to PVPers passing on this purple server and u guys being content with this lol PnP and your 15% time played being PVP.

Item loot would make it more fun, events, blablabla etc

[Tradesonred]

Nothing short of a new server launched with Velious will jolt things back into shape

And then only if devs learn from mistakes made on red and set up some ruleset that actually encourages PVPing.

You need the excitement that was there at the nov 2011 launch coupled with a ruleset that works and a new expansion, + the word of mouth days before the server launches like i did here and on other forums for DAOC origins.

Devs are in denial about their mistake of letting xp loss in pvp on for so long and blame the playerbase for something that was their fault, and applied PnP to fortify the blinders against what theyre in denial about.

So considering this, and that GMs as of yesterday still think its no PnP that killed the pop, id get used to a ghost town server because even if they launch a new server, if they got what went wrong with red mixed up, then a new server is just going to end up in the same state that red is in.

[HippoNipple]

Here is a good place to start...



If we can all agree those are the main reasons people are in favor... Can we get some counter's to the "reasons for" HB listed? All feedback is welcome!

Thanks guys,

- Oppressor


We have had threads like this for 6 months about variance. There have been tons of good information about why variance would be good, which is basically the same thing as simulated repops. The answer lies somewhere between complete variance to windowed repops, etc. There are 0 cons against changing the current system besides Nihilum saying it is a troll to grief them because they enjoy the current raid scene.

Stasis comes up with these threads a couple times a week and gets made fun of. Cast made countless threads about it and many supported him including myself while the discussion was relevant.

This is just like any change that would be good for the server, resists, increased exp, etc. It is out there, it has been out there, eventually a GM will decide to implement something but for some unknown reason they move extremely slow.

Then they will make fun of players for crying to get what they want, which I don't mind because if done cleverly can be worth a laugh.

[mikemandella]

We have had threads like this for 6 months about variance. There have been tons of good information about why variance would be good, which is basically the same thing as simulated repops. The answer lies somewhere between complete variance to windowed repops, etc. There are 0 cons against changing the current system besides Nihilum saying it is a troll to grief them because they enjoy the current raid scene.

Stasis comes up with these threads a couple times a week and gets made fun of. Cast made countless threads about it and many supported him including myself while the discussion was relevant.

This is just like any change that would be good for the server, resists, increased exp, etc. It is out there, it has been out there, eventually a GM will decide to implement something but for some unknown reason they move extremely slow.

Then they will make fun of players for crying to get what they want, which I don't mind because if done cleverly can be worth a laugh.

I agree man. I am hoping to get some reasons against simulated repops.. for science. So far the only argument is things are fine.. I don't understand how everyone can agree that there is a severe issue, but "everything is fine".

Can anyone offer some feedback against the pro's that HB put down?

- Oppressor

[iiNGloriouS]

The real problem is in the red community.

Too many spineless weaklings that defect rather than fight the good fight.

[mikemandella]

Hey Chipp, you are my pal, but can you add something of value to this discussion.. just quoting Jeremy's knee jerk reaction isn't really conducive to a healthy outcome. What are your thoughts on simulated re-pops?

Thanks man!

- Oppressor

[lite]

The real problem is in the red community.

Too many spineless weaklings that defect rather than fight the good fight.

this, because of the fact that it's such a small population. In a larger pool more underdog only types would present themselves. + The staff delaying changes keeps the pop low.

[mikemandella]

A question, for science:

Are any of the players opposed to a weekly or bi-monthly re-pop on Red?

I'd say so far that a lot are in favor.. This isn't just my thread, but others as well.

However, the vibe I get from the player base is that this is something that won't happen regardless of how we feel. Many have said this type of system was proposed a while ago by Sirken and Rogean.

Can you tell us if this is something that staff is even willing to re-consider and has the ability to do? (provided there is player support of course).

- Oppressor

[Eslade]

this, because of the fact that it's such a small population. In a larger pool more underdog only types would present themselves. + The staff delaying changes keeps the pop low.

Maybe some sort of incentive to have less members in a guild?

[Tradesonred]

Maybe some sort of incentive to have less members in a guild?

Lawl it would be worth doing +guild members = -% chance of good drops when mob dies just to see the Nihilum circus on the forums.

[Heywood]

They would just camp/rez window peeps before the raid mobs die

[Colgate]

the problem with red99 is the staff

no server with rogean in charge will ever be good

you're wasting your breath; people have been making staff attention beg threads like this for over two years, when will people learn that this shit isnt going to get better? accept it for what it is or move on with your life

[Zoolander]

iam for limited time blue xfers, just combine it with the current pledging of phanteon and its a win win win situation for all sides

[Mac Dretti]

iam for limited time blue xfers, just combine it with the current pledging of phanteon and its a win win win situation for all sides

[Vile]

server just repop bros?

[Rellapse36]

no

[Mac Dretti]

I WISH!

[Cid]

It would probably help the most if people took responsibility for the health of the server on an individual level. Help out the new and casual players without thinking about whether or not you benefit from it. 1k worth of gear isn't shit to most of us, but giving it to a newb will likely keep them playing when they would have said fuck it and quit.

I miss the old EQ where the reputation of your character mattered. Nowdays most people act like 12 year old WoW fanboys measuring their e-penis in pixels.

I haven't played much lately, or therefore helped much, but I like helping people, especially newbies, and I will continue to do for as long as I can. Just because it's a pvp server doesn't mean you should be a douchebag. A little kindness when unexpected will leave a more meaningful and lasting impression than a dozen YTs.

I am on the extreme end of one side of the spectrum and I don't expect people to do everything for free like me, but you don't have to attack everyone that's not in your guild. It makes everyone wearing the tag seem like an asshole, when I know personally that every guild has nice people in it.

Lastly, if you have a twink camped in a lowbie zone to kill virtually defenseless players, you are pathetic and I pity you. You should just go back to WoW and face those adolescent bullies.

[Dacuk]

pras Cid. well said. while i dont know if i have the moral gumption that you do to be that much of a pal to everyone, definitely need more like you on the box!

[Taboo]

Hehe Ol' Heartbrand would love us all to be able to pop in 7 am est to contest mobs. He brings it up from time to time. But he is smart enough to know 98% have jobs, children and responsibilities outside a batphone. We will never ever over come that so stop trying to act like that is even an option.

For us that work regular jobs we only have one option at the moment on this server. That is to shut up and pvp and find some enjoyment in that. Thats really going to be it. Killing raid mobs at this point of the server is not going to be an option for us unless repops happen in a timefrmae most of us can play in.

Just think if you logged in Halo only to find most the guys your fighting have the best weapons and you get to use the starting gun to fight them. Oh you can get better weapons but they are given out at 7 am when your at work. You probably would not be a Halo fan unless your a self made millionaire that we seem to have so plentiful here lol.

Play better here means for most of us quit our lives. So that argument is flawed.

This is not asking for a handout and would never just want to log in to see a dragon in front of me to kill, but damn something has got to give to be fun again. Some of continue to play because we love the game and have hope something will give. That will only last so long.

[heartbrand]

Hehe Ol' Heartbrand would love us all to be able to pop in 7 am est to contest mobs. He brings it up from time to time. But he is smart enough to know 98% have jobs, children and responsibilities outside a batphone. We will never ever over come that so stop trying to act like that is even an option.

For us that work regular jobs we only have one option at the moment on this server. That is to shut up and pvp and find some enjoyment in that. Thats really going to be it. Killing raid mobs at this point of the server is not going to be an option for us unless repops happen in a timefrmae most of us can play in.

Just think if you logged in Halo only to find most the guys your fighting have the best weapons and you get to use the starting gun to fight them. Oh you can get better weapons but they are given out at 7 am when your at work. You probably would not be a Halo fan unless your a self made millionaire that we seem to have so plentiful here lol.

Play better here means for most of us quit our lives. So that argument is flawed.

This is not asking for a handout and would never just want to log in to see a dragon in front of me to kill, but damn something has got to give to be fun again. Some of continue to play because we love the game and have hope something will give. That will only last so long.

Gr8 post

[Vamael]

Yeah, i hate to say it but. I dont judge people on being able to raid as much as I do for the pvp. We are here to attack one another in the elf simulator, having a target is fun, but im not dedicated to killing dragons. I would rather still curb stomp people in dragon gear who wasted there 4am - 7am life span and still die.

[mostbitter]

Hehe Ol' Heartbrand would love us all to be able to pop in 7 am est to contest mobs. He brings it up from time to time. But he is smart enough to know 98% have jobs, children and responsibilities outside a batphone. We will never ever over come that so stop trying to act like that is even an option.

For us that work regular jobs we only have one option at the moment on this server. That is to shut up and pvp and find some enjoyment in that. Thats really going to be it. Killing raid mobs at this point of the server is not going to be an option for us unless repops happen in a timefrmae most of us can play in.

Just think if you logged in Halo only to find most the guys your fighting have the best weapons and you get to use the starting gun to fight them. Oh you can get better weapons but they are given out at 7 am when your at work. You probably would not be a Halo fan unless your a self made millionaire that we seem to have so plentiful here lol.

Play better here means for most of us quit our lives. So that argument is flawed.

This is not asking for a handout and would never just want to log in to see a dragon in front of me to kill, but damn something has got to give to be fun again. Some of continue to play because we love the game and have hope something will give. That will only last so long.


Heard the same arguments when stuff respawned during the afternoon. shut up

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

another 13 page crybaby thread from unemployed faggots that think sidejobpaypal99 is going to change to support healthy casuals

heyidiots, if they had 2 guilds competing customer service workload would triple and their paypal donations would drop


are you guys idiots? Things are the way they are for a reason

give up, you wont win here

[Genedin]

another 13 page crybaby thread from unemployed faggots that think sidejobpaypal99 is going to change to support healthy casuals

heyidiots, if they had 2 guilds competing customer service workload would triple and their paypal donations would drop


are you guys idiots? Things are the way they are for a reason

give up, you wont win here



damn, so sad but true. WTB Velious

[mikemandella]

Looks like they listened... Too busy slaying those RL pixels, glad the movement caught on!

-Oppressor

[heartbrand]

Shame that no matter the ruleset the players here are too dumb to take advantage of it