In defense of the Pantheon startup

[Nirgon]

Games today are FUCKED.

If Brad is our last hope to make an open world game, so be it.

I will be donating somewhat generously tonight seeing as I have already provided a herd of goats and a river of pure Deer Park water for the tillies in Sri Lanka (thank you Feen for bringing our attention to this cause).

Even if Pantheon provides just a few months of lulz (worst case scenario) like the release of red did... that's still a million times more enjoyment than I got out of being suckered into Pandaria and wanting to blow my brains out in kung-fu acid trip Disney-land.

At best? It sticks around as long as Rift and makes it to an expac.

You gonna spend 60$ on the next WoW clone (cuz.. must of you will)? Or are you gonna pony up for this? Do this instead pals.

PS: XP pots / raffle tickets will be given to pals accounts seeing as Alecta's changes are not in yet.

PPS: These pals are none of you

[Twainz]

I will take some pots off your hands :D

[Akim]

Sad because they're not rich as fuck like me and my bro wyrm.

[Nirgon]

I will take some pots off your hands :D

Your reading skills are DIZZASTA-ROUS

[Gaffin 7.0]

naw

[Tradesonred]

I didnt read alot about it but im just waiting for someone to get a sandbox right, to have all the people like us who are waiting for a game like this throw money at them, and then we can have 3-4 years of golden age of sandboxes before the corporate vultures get what the fuck happened and start fucking things up again with all that greed.

[marie]

exp pots are no drop

so enjoy exp boost on ur level 60's with no aa's

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

anyone who spends 1 dollar on this is so completely dumb its laughable

please give me your money instead ill spend it on whores

[big mouth chew]

anyone who spends 1 dollar on this is so completely dumb its laughable

please give me your money instead ill spend it on whores

[vouss]

Brad a scum bag. Game Will suck, and probable not even have pvp

[Mac Dretti]

Brad a scum bag. Game Will suck, and probable not even have pvp

It wont. When it came up during Sirkens stream they danced around the question and said something like "maybe in an expansion." Wonder why Sirken or Deru didn't try to get us more deets on PvP they just said "well that's good enough" after spending 4 sentences on the topic.

GG

[Heywood]

Because sirken was too busy dc'ing. Hehuehueahueh.

[Derubael]

It wont. When it came up during Sirkens stream they danced around the question and said something like "maybe in an expansion." Wonder why Sirken or Deru didn't try to get us more deets on PvP they just said "well that's good enough" after spending 4 sentences on the topic.

GG

In regards to PvP, that was actually something we asked about them prior to turning on the stream - it was something we were both really curious about. The answer was both good and bad - they expressed a strong desire to have PvP in the game, but also firmly stated that if they were going to do it, they wanted to do it right, and would need the funding to do so - hence the stretch goal.

I know I'm posting this in an RnF thread, but w/e, someone will read it and know that Visionary Realms is thinking about you guys too.

[Mac Dretti]

thx deru

one love.

[Pitborn]

No pvp, no pesos.

[Recycled Children]

A little less than half a milly and only 17 days to go. Doubt this will happen.

[Aenor]

Sucks, that's a wrap for non-instanced worlds.

[Bazia]

They waited way too long to put up a kickstarter for this, so many damn MMO kickstarters already.

[Smedy]

no pvp probably a good thing imo

all games that focus on pvp are shit for pvp, the pvp we seek are the pvp where there's no focus on pvp.

if you want games that focus on pvp you'll end up with something like warhammer, very static and impersonal where pvp is a part of the game and the daily grind.

nothing feels worse then killing someone and realising they really didnt give a fuck.

[Gustoo]

Yeah, you are 100% correct Smedy.

"Balanced" PVP is a pathetic ridiculous thing. If you want PVP balance you want street fighter, or a FPS.

A good MMO is an RPG game in an open world. A good MMO with PVP is an RPG game in an open world where people can kill one another.

Balance comes from having a group or having more players or just knowing the PVE environment better.

the LAST thing i want to see is any game that in any way considers what PVP is like on a game like WoW.

[Gustoo]

For me the whole point of PVP is the thrill of life and death, and the danger of losing a good piece of equipment and the reward of taking one.

Definitely I don't care about my PVP standing, or anything like that. I play SF4 and really like it and in a game like that it matters who you can just beat 1v1 and its a straight competition between skills and understanding different character mechanics.

An open world game can never be worth PVPing in and "balanced" in the sense that a good fighting game or FPS is. If I want to play a game where I have an honest chance at killing everyone I see, I will play an FPS which I do all the time.

But for a good RPG you need to be able to get fucked over.

Maybe we can convince braid mcwayde to make a pvp server thats just as messed up as everquest is.

[Bazia]

server was so much better with exp loss, people actually cared about dying

[Tassador]

The exp loss wasn't even that bad and exp gains are insane now. Currently Leveling a troll sk faster than I leveled a Druid on release.

[Took]

Yeah exp gains on red compared to blue is stupid.

[Gustoo]

Blue slowness not even classic. Feels extra slow. I agree tho. Item loot better motivator than exp loss tho..motivates people to kill each other while making them want to avoid death to the max.

[Nirgon]

In regards to PvP, that was actually something we asked about them prior to turning on the stream - it was something we were both really curious about. The answer was both good and bad - they expressed a strong desire to have PvP in the game, but also firmly stated that if they were going to do it, they wanted to do it right, and would need the funding to do so - hence the stretch goal.

I know I'm posting this in an RnF thread, but w/e, someone will read it and know that Visionary Realms is thinking about you guys too.

Not to mention Derubael, most posts here are about allowing boxing, mob variance, getting each other banned and everything else to secure PVE ADVANTAGES.

Then they wanna kick dirt at Brad for wanting to do PvP right and saying well we have a budget and here's what our time will cost to do that.

Even if this game doesn't have PvP right off the bat, it's going to provide more amusement than the next WoW clone. Period.

[Nirgon]

Double post:

You get your PvE rewards (xp pots) potentially FOR FREE if the kick starter doesn't meet its goal.

How have none of you picked up on this?

[RoguePhantom]

Blue slowness not even classic. Feels extra slow. I agree tho. Item loot better motivator than exp loss tho..motivates people to kill each other while making them want to avoid death to the max.

Not when you have max No-Drop geared toons dropping bombs on people in 'bazaar gear'.

[canardvc]

Smedley + no pvp = $0. not $12500, not $100, zero dollar. Seen his face in the vids? "Yeah guys I know, I fucked up thousand games, but this one is the right one. Got any dollar to spare by any chance ?"

Good one though. Rogaine gets royalties off of it btw ?