Congratulations Lord Bob

[Yaolin]

You decided to go up to PoS on the night that you knew Indignation would be up there for only their second time and bought keys to rush past them to Island 2 while they were clearing Island 1. You also conveniently used the PoS guild thread to know exactly when to go up there. Congratulations on solidifying your place on this server. You say you want competition and want to be #1, yet you don't compete with the Class C guilds where competition thrives and is as cut throat as you want it to be. You're "Fuck everyone" message is very clear, good luck with that. I hope the membership of the guild realizes that they will get zero respect for this kind of behavior, but then again some of you joined Lord Bob for one reason. If the guild ever decides to act like adults and actually have respect for other guilds/people please let us know, sadly I don't see this happening.

I hope other guilds will voice their disdain for Lord Bob publicly and not just let them do whatever they want because they fear some sort of repercussions. I don't need them, we don't them. Have a good day.....

[BurgyK]

Dick move if true.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Complete blacklist by all guilds on the Sky Rotation, imo. Do not group with them, do not port them, buy/sell from/to them, rez them, anything. This is the only way to deal with a guild breaking player-enforced agreements... player-enforced sanctions. Let their membership reap the punishment from their leadership's continuous "fuck you, other guilds" attitude.

[Daldolma]

train their groups a few times a week, it's cathartic

[Geofizzle]

Your sig really does fit nicely.

[Tasslehoff]

Complete blacklist by all guilds on the Sky Rotation, imo. Do not group with them, do not port them, buy/sell from/to them, rez them, anything. This is the only way to deal with a guild breaking player-enforced agreements... player-enforced sanctions. Let their membership reap the punishment from their leadership's continuous "fuck you, other guilds" attitude.

Half your guild does this to TMO and it doesn't mean anything lol

[YendorLootmonkey]

Half your guild does this to TMO and it doesn't mean anything lol

TMO is probably a little more self-sufficient than Lord Bob. What the hell other recourse do we have for a player-enforced agreement? Will never happen anyway, because there is no collective resolve to sanction them.

[Raavak]

Wait? We are blacklisted? Rofl. Do we know this?

[Cecily]

It'd be nice if public opinion mattered here.

[Nikon]

Wait? We are blacklisted? Rofl. Do we know this?

Old news. Public hate bandwagon focused on Lord Bob now. TMO new server saints.

[Twainz]

What guild in Yendor in? I need to know who has me blacklisted!

[Asap]

What guild in Yendor in? I need to know who has me blacklisted!

Big Dicks of America

[arsenalpow]

BDA doesn't have a blacklist (except Shinko, he's permanently banned from vent for broadcasting a conversation back to FE vent for the lulz) Some people refuse to group/buff/rez/sow/trade/port certain people or members of entire guilds. It's well within each players right to do so. I don't group with anyone outside of BDA generally and I haven't ported/rezzed/buffed a TMO member in forever, but that's just me.

[Origin]

Congratulations Lord Bob

[YendorLootmonkey]

^^ and that's why player-enforced sanctions never work. So Lord Bob will keep screwing guilds over on player-enforced agreements and nothing will be done when we have the ability to compel them to respect the agreement.

[Zadrian]

Big Dicks of America

Well, I guess it's kinda big.

[Cecily]

Shut up, Yendor.

[Asap]

Well, I guess it's kinda big.

You're welcome :D

[Derubael]

Question:

Didn't Doljonijiarnimorinar contact some people about joining the sky rotation prior to their 'we're jumping in, get out the way' post in the sky rotation thread a couple months back, and get told there weren't any open slots?

If this information is incorrect, I apologize, but after they made that post in (december? something like that). I did some digging to find out why they were jumping in without regards to the rotation, and this is what I was told.

[Sirken]

wait for it.....

[Sirken]

http://astropt.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/irony.jpg

[Lojik]

Question:

Didn't Doljonijiarnimorinar contact some people about joining the sky rotation prior to their 'we're jumping in, get out the way' post in the sky rotation thread a couple months back, and get told there weren't any open slots?

If this information is incorrect, I apologize, but after they made that post in (december? something like that). I did some digging to find out why they were jumping in without regards to the rotation, and this is what I was told.

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

This was their initial post, and from what I recall they don't communicate at all (or maybe just not very well) with other guilds.

[Sirken]

"TMO IS TRYING TO FORCE US TO PLAY LIKE THEM!"

"OMG LORD BOB WONT LET US FORCE THEM TO PLAY LIKE US!!!111!!!!1one!!!!"


these luls have been brought to you today by the number 9 and the letter P

[Derubael]

Yes, I saw the post, and it's why I started asking around to find out what led to that.

It's my understanding that they did attempt to communicate with other guilds, and were told there were no slots open for them. Then they made that post.

[Lojik]

http://astropt.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/irony.jpg

Is that Planet Fitness? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn5mzEAMAkY)

[Yaolin]

No one contacted AG. They did not reply to the PoS Rotation post pleading any case until their first "Fuck you" post, and obviously they didn't contact Indignation because up until that point Indignation did not have a slot at all.

[chief]

lord bob crushing ag's new developed lust for pixels. Can't wait to see the qq's when a bunch of BiS twinks join them.

[radditsu]

<Dirty Roberts> strike again.

[Byrjun]

that may be a humorous picture, but it's not really irony.

[Yaolin]

lord bob crushing ag's new developed lust for pixels. Can't wait to see the qq's when a bunch of BiS twinks join them. LuLz

[Aaron]

Question:

Didn't Doljonijiarnimorinar contact some people about joining the sky rotation prior to their 'we're jumping in, get out the way' post in the sky rotation thread a couple months back, and get told there weren't any open slots?

No. You have bad info.

[Derubael]

No. You have bad info.

Do I?

I didn't realize all sky rotation requests went through AG. My mistake, I guess. There's no way they would have tried to contact one or more of the other 7 guilds that are in that thread.

[Aaron]

Why are you so mad?

[Cecily]

It's so nice to see a new cutthroat guild on the server. I always thought the sky rotation was silly, but hey we have a nice time slot. /salute Lord Bob. Cause some strife please.

[Lojik]

Yes, I saw the post, and it's why I started asking around to find out what led to that.

It's my understanding that they did attempt to communicate with other guilds, and were told there were no slots open for them. Then they made that post.

This is completely contrary to everything I have heard from other guilds, and the language of the post indicates this to be true also.

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

Sounds like they don't like the idea of a rotation and that's why they just pulled this card, and the following quote seems to indicate that as well:

Caleros used to be in FE. He was super pissy about the fact that leadership refused to shit on the sky rotation. Looks like he finally found enough like-minded people to try and rain on everyone's parade.

This is consistent with the way they dealt with class R rotation talks, so it makes sense to me that they didn't reach out to any guilds. Can any guilds confirm that Doljo contacted them to be put on sky rotation before that post?
I think guilds/players can play the way they want, it's just that if the players want to keep a player made rotation then they have to go through with player enforced sanctions or some sort of penalty, or keep people up in sky to make it a nightmare for Dol. Sky is a pain in the butt so most guilds find it more worthwhile to keep a rotation as opposed to compete.

[Yaolin]

Lol Derubael

[YendorLootmonkey]

It's so nice to see a new cutthroat guild on the server. I always thought the sky rotation was silly, but hey we have a nice time slot. /salute Lord Bob. Cause some strife please.

Some people just like to see the world burn.

Shut up, Cecily.

[Fazlazen]

Complete blacklist by all guilds on the Sky Rotation, imo. Do not group with them, do not port them, buy/sell from/to them, rez them, anything. This is the only way to deal with a guild breaking player-enforced agreements... player-enforced sanctions. Let their membership reap the punishment from their leadership's continuous "fuck you, other guilds" attitude.

lol good luck with that.

[Lojik]

Do I?

I didn't realize all sky rotation requests went through AG. My mistake, I guess. There's no way they would have tried to contact one or more of the other 7 guilds that are in that thread.

You mean like post a request to be put on rotation in that thread? Obviously they knew about the thread and its purpose.

[Aaron]

Do I?

Yes. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

I didn't realize all sky rotation requests went through AG.

Who said they do? This is what's called a strawman.

My mistake, I guess.

Indeed.

There's no way they would have tried to contact one or more of the other 7 guilds that are in that thread.

Every other guild posts in the Sky thread for this. Why are you making the assumption that they contacted guilds individually? Is that something you just assumed?

[Sirken]

dat allyoop dunk is coming


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Alley_Oop.jpg

[YendorLootmonkey]

"TMO IS TRYING TO FORCE US TO PLAY LIKE THEM!"

"OMG LORD BOB WONT LET US FORCE THEM TO PLAY LIKE US!!!111!!!!1one!!!!"


these luls have been brought to you today by the number 9 and the letter P

There's a difference between creating a raid environment that caters to conflicting styles of play, and respecting a player/guild agreement that even TMO abides by. Lord Bob has been clear they are not interested in respecting any player-enforced agreements... therefore forcing players to act to enforce via sanctions or diplomatic/non-diplomatic pressure.

[Raavak]

I haven't ported/rezzed/buffed a TMO member in forever, but that's just me.I port/rez/buff anyone and everyone for free on a daily basis. Am I doing it wrong?

[arsenalpow]

http://astropt.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/irony.jpg

An entire raid class was created for shitting on one another, it's called class c. Bob only wants to shit on the easiest prey it can find. That's not irony.

[Lojik]

Derubael probably gonna post roughly 9 internet meme pictures. Inb4 that:

http://media.giphy.com/media/LuJm7cGuikP84/giphy.gif

[Tasslehoff]

Seeing that Caleros is an officer in Lord Bob, I can't help but wonder if this guild is a product of the sketchy Acarer crew.

Is the cheater we know as Acarer a part of Lord Bob on another character?

[chief]

I can't wait until Lord bob actually starts killing the mobs they are going after.

[arsenalpow]

I port/rez/buff anyone and everyone for free on a daily basis. Am I doing it wrong?

You can do whatever the fuck you want unless lord Zagum says you aren't supposed to id presume.

[YendorLootmonkey]

An entire raid class was created for shitting on one another, it's called class c. Bob only wants to shit on the easiest prey it can find. That's not irony.

[Raavak]

There's a difference between creating a raid environment that caters to conflicting styles of play, and respecting a player/guild agreement that even TMO abides by.So tired of lawyering.

[Asap]

I summon Mod Rods for all

[Raavak]

You can do whatever the fuck you want unless lord Zagum says you aren't supposed to id presume.Fuck Zagum. And I will continue to be nice to everyone, despite you.

[Sirken]

There's a difference between creating a raid environment that caters to conflicting styles of play, and respecting a player/guild agreement that even TMO abides by. Lord Bob has been clear they are not interested in respecting any player-enforced agreements... therefore forcing players to act to enforce via sanctions or diplomatic/non-diplomatic pressure.

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.




An entire raid class was created for shitting on one another, it's called class c. Bob only wants to shit on the easiest prey it can find. That's not irony.
you know perfectly well bob has no chance in Class C yet. and unlike SOME GUILDS in the this thread, they actually belong in Class R. when they feel they can compete they will move up to Class C. the staff didn't declare Class R to be a rotation, you guys did. we created it to Restrict the top guilds from monopolizing content for another 2 years.

[big mouth chew]

how to "shit on prey" on this server? does it have anything to do with priest of discord and a tome? if so, IM ALL FOR IT

[Ella`Ella]

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.

If we donate enough to the pantheon kickstarter, can we go back to pre-2014 raid rules?

[Wrench]

i remember the days when everyone was super excited about sirken coming over to gm on blue

[Mac Dretti]

Who is Lord Bob?

He good at EQ?

[Mac Dretti]

i remember the days when everyone was super excited about sirken coming over to gm on blue

Wotch ur mouth faget

Love u Sirk

[Derubael]

Who said they do? This is what's called a strawman.

Naw, it's called sarcasm. In any case,
Every other guild posts in the Sky thread for this. Why are you making the assumption that they contacted guilds individually? Is that something you just assumed?

Doljon as a whole isn't big on the forums. Most of their leadership rarely even comes here. Here's my conversation with their guild leader about the rotation. I approached him because I was concerned about someone raiding sky outside of the rotation causing a potential headache for the staff.

[Wed Dec 25 12:58:44 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was just curious what you guys were told when you tried to get into the sky rotation?'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] You told Hyjal, 'its not something gm's enforce, but i had heard several stories about what happened and was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'that we are uncapale of doing it'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:19 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'uncapable'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:56 2013] You told Hyjal, 'anything else...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:07 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'honestly, were not use to rotations. the end game dragons/gods are not on a rotation'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'but for some reason sky is. we are unable to compete with dragons, gods'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:22 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'currently at least'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:45 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'our only options are the planes. we asked about rotation when we first started, but was told we were uncapable of doign the plane'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:01 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'so we just have gone against the grain i guess'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:34 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was there any justification as to why you couldn't handle clearing sky...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:02 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'nope, just that we havent proven anything basically'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'the initial hostility definitely set the tone for us. we have gone more toward an FTE environment'


[Wed Dec 25 13:17:36 2013] You told Hyjal, 'i have no idea who decides on the sky rotation, i dont think its any one person'
[Wed Dec 25 13:17:45 2013] You told Hyjal, 'thats why i was wondering who had told you no'
[Wed Dec 25 13:18:44 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'ah. i asked random folks in ib, and bregan at first'

Unless Doljon's guild leader was straight up lying to me in this conversation, which he really had no reason to do considering I had already expressed to him that we don't enforce the Sky rotation, I'd say my info is correct regarding Doljon being told 'no' is correct.

Maybe Doljonijiarnimorinar should have tried harder to get on the rotation, I can't speak to that. But I can say that if I had asked about getting on the rotation and was told 'no, you aren't good enough for sky,' I wouldn't be thrilled about pursuing the issue further either.

I rarely just 'assume' things, A-aron, and when I do, I make sure it's a solid assumption backed by evidence first. Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

[arsenalpow]

If we donate enough to the pantheon kickstarter, can we go back to pre-2014 raid rules?

WE WANT COMPETITION

Rotates the first set of VP spawns

[Vyal]

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.


They came up invis during Indigs Sky time bought keys while we cleared isle one and started killing on 2 taking all they keys to 3.
While all the guilds on the server have a Sky rotation setup they pulled that crap.
How you can call that smart is beyond me.

[Mac Dretti]

Derubael can we just leave these.faghots alone they require massive hand holding should just turn PvP on blue

I been hoping to talk to u and Sirk plz reply 2 pm

[Lojik]

Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

Didn't someone (Splorf I think) post screenshots of trying to reach out to them about raid talks and they didn't want to join in the negotiations?

[Ella`Ella]

WE WANT COMPETITION

Rotates the first set of VP spawns

Sounds like we're operating under a set of rules in an environment that was forced upon us.

[Mac Dretti]

WE WANT COMPETITION

Rotates the first set of VP spawns

Competition on a blue server?

Who is better at defeating ancient artificial Intelligence? Or who can press 1 button faster?

[YendorLootmonkey]

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.

You're the one comparing them, insinuating there's some sort of irony or hypocrisy involved. I clearly stated there was a difference.

Look, I understand you don't care about player-created agreements because you came from a competitive background, but we the players do. In fact, I'm sticking up for a guild that is not even my own here.

If Lord Bob wants to piss off other guilds on the server, then if the other guilds were smart, they would work together to compel Lord Bob to fall in line with the existing agreement. Otherwise, what is the point of creating a player-enforced agreement?

We're not asking GMs to step in. Yet we're being ridiculed by what should be an unbiased/neutral staff for trying to maintain a peaceful solution that has worked for months... that's what gets me. :P

[Aaron]

Hyjal claims to have contacted IB and BDA, and were told no? BDA or IB leadership can confirm/deny. Sounds like BS though.


Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

This is a joke now, right?

[Cecily]

They came up invis during Indigs Sky time bought keys while we cleared isle one and started killing on 2 taking all they keys to 3.
While all the guilds on the server have a Sky rotation setup they pulled that crap.
How you can call that smart is beyond me.

They were invis so you couldn't see them steal your sky day. I'd say that's smart.

[Aaron]

We're not asking GMs to step in. Yet we're being ridiculed by what should be an unbiased/neutral staff for trying to maintain a peaceful solution that has worked for months... that's what gets me. :P

[Mac Dretti]

HE TOOK MY SKY MOB WAHH

[Derubael]

Hyjal claims to have contacted IB and BDA, and were told no? BDA or IB leadership can confirm/deny. Sounds like BS though.

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.

This is a joke now, right?

Why would it be?

[arsenalpow]

Hyjal never contacted BDA concerning sky. The only communication I ever saw was the "fuck you, we'll do what we want" post in the sky thread. As far as the class r rotation we contacted them personally and were told that they didn't believe in player made agreements and that they're gonna do whatever they're gonna do.

Bob guild doesn't want to play ball. There's a place for that, it's called Class C.

[Kingore]

They were invis so you couldn't see them steal your sky day. I'd say that's smart.

New TMO tactic. Invis past competition. Why didn't we think of this first.

[Mac Dretti]

How sad

[Vyal]

They were invis so you couldn't see them steal your sky day. I'd say that's smart.

I know that trick won't work on me again, so how many more Sky runs do you think they can accomplish now?

Not a smart move IMO...

[Aaron]

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.


Typically, to contact a particular guild, as a whole, a player would send a tell to someone in said guild and ask to be put in touch with an officer. That's kinda how it works.

If Lord Bob is too stupid to know how to even contact a guild leader, while crying that everyone hates them, then I can't fathom how you guys think they're so clever.

[Frogie305]

Hyjal never contacted BDA concerning sky. The only communication I ever saw was the "fuck you, we'll do what we want" post in the sky thread. As far as the class r rotation we contacted them personally and were told that they didn't believe in player made agreements and that they're gonna do whatever they're gonna do.

Bob guild doesn't want to play ball. There's a place for that, it's called Class C.

BDA - Why don't you come to class C? and Let the guilds that acutally belong in class R to be there.

[Lojik]

Why would it be?

I'm pretty sure there was/is an entire thread dedicated to how people reached out to this guild about raid talks and they didn't want to participate. I can't seem to find it, and I'm wondering if it i was in the raid discussion banter that got deleted.

[Cecily]

Lol BDA lording over other guilds like they earned it.

[khanable]

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.



Why would it be?

I contacted them. Twice. Got blown off twice. I think I even offered to try and work out sharing a slot with 'em.

They had no interest :\

[Lojik]

Pretty sure the only time they reached out to guilds was to request mergers.

[YendorLootmonkey]

BDA - Why don't you come to class C? and Let the guilds that acutally belong in class R to be there.

How do we belong in Class C if we are not interested in playing in the style of Class C? Sounds like Dojo wants to play that way... why not invite them over?

Oh yeah, because its easier to prey on Class R guilds that are bound to and respect their agreements with each other in order to minimize shittiness in the raid scene.

[Shannacore]

Their guild is named Lord Bob?

http://replygif.net/i/1403.gif

[Burrito]

The easy answer is to just have 2 guild lording over all the loot for months rather then one. Baby steps people.

[Lojik]

Their guild is named Lord Bob?

http://replygif.net/i/1403.gif

Velious noob.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Lol BDA lording over other guilds like they earned it.

Tell me again how sticking up for Indignation here is "lording over other guilds"?

[Frogie305]

How do we belong in Class C if we are not interested in playing in the style of Class C? Sounds like Dojo wants to play that way... why not invite them over?

Oh yeah, because its easier to prey on Class R guilds that are bound to and respect their agreements with each other in order to minimize shittiness in the raid scene.

Over the time that the new rules have been implemented , please explain some of the shitness that has occured in class C. I will be waiting.
Fun Fact: Guilds that have been suspended during new rules .. BDA.. ..

[arsenalpow]

Tell me again how sticking up for Indignation here is "lording over other guilds"?

Cecily is autistic, just ignore it.

[arsenalpow]

Over the time that the new rules have been implemented , please explain some of the shitness that has occured in class C. I will be waiting.
Fun Fact: Guilds that have been suspended during new rules .. BDA.. ..

Ya, a bad call was made in a grey area and we paid a price. Good thing that was clearly spelled out from the start very specifically. Oh wait.

Also, I guess it's hard to fuck up in class c when all the content is being rotated in VP.

[Twainz]

Some people just like to see the world burn.

Shut up, Cecily.

Best back up off Cecily. Dizzasta no like mean elves.

[quido]

It wasn't grey to anyone else

[Derubael]

I contacted them. Twice. Got blown off twice. I think I even offered to try and work out sharing a slot with 'em.

They had no interest :\

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...? If it was after, and they really were told 'no' in the way Hyjal described, I am not surprised they turned you down =X. If it was before, they may have already been told 'no' by someone else, or they may have just been pissed off at the way they've been treated here.

This is where I take issue with the entire situation with Doljon:

Doljon has been shit on by a large number of guilds from the moment they step foot on the server. Before any of this sky day crap, before any of this raid scene BS, and before any real shenanigans went down during a raid. Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.

This is the same sort of discrimination the Class-R guilds were upset about TMO/FE/IB perpetrating upon them prior to these raid scene talks. 'If you can't play our way, get off our mobs'. That's not right. Class C is there because the Class R guilds couldn't/didn't want to compete with the resources and dedication of TMO/IB/FE. That doesn't mean Doljon should be forced into that battle when they don't have the ability to win just like BDA, AG, and Taken simply because they want to enjoy the game using their preferred playstyle.

[Aaron]

Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.
.

Hyjal is a good leader who abandoned his guild for a different tag apparently. Good leader.

[arsenalpow]

It wasn't grey to anyone else

It's still fucking grey. I've gone to the length of ordering my people out of a zone when a spawn we want to kill is in window.

[Cecily]

Jeez, the new rules made you act like a leader. That's awful.

[chief]

Saw sentenza with a lord bob tag this morning. Also there is no grey area on the rule, its simple, don't be in the zone when a great pixel mob is in window if you want pixels.

[Derubael]

Hyjal is a good leader who abandoned his guild for a different tag apparently. Good leader.

Hyjal still has a Doljon tag.

[Splorf22]

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...? If it was after, and they really were told 'no' in the way Hyjal described, I am not surprised they turned you down =X. If it was before, they may have already been told 'no' by someone else, or they may have just been pissed off at the way they've been treated here.

This is where I take issue with the entire situation with Doljon:

Doljon has been shit on by a large number of guilds from the moment they step foot on the server. Before any of this sky day crap, before any of this raid scene BS, and before any real shenanigans went down during a raid. Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.

This is the same sort of discrimination the Class-R guilds were upset about TMO/FE/IB perpetrating upon them prior to these raid scene talks. 'If you can't play our way, get off our mobs'. That's not right. Class C is there because the Class R guilds couldn't/didn't want to compete with the resources and dedication of TMO/IB/FE. That doesn't mean Doljon should be forced into that battle when they don't have the ability to win just like BDA, AG, and Taken simply because they want to enjoy the game using their preferred playstyle.

This is beyond ridiculous; it is ludicrous.

[Mon Jan 06 12:15:42 2014] You told hyjal, 'yo'
[Mon Jan 06 12:19:08 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'hello'
[Mon Jan 06 12:20:27 2014] You told hyjal, 'I just wanted to ask if anyone had chatted with you about the whole tier2 rotation thing'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:10 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'awaiting gm response myself'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:53 2014] You told hyjal, 'what do you mean?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:54 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:37 2014] You told Hyjal, 'if you don't want to play by the rotation I don't think they'll stop you'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:38 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'

[Mon Jan 06 12:14:40 2014] You told subways, 'any officerson?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:15 2014] Subways tells you, 'yeah'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:22 2014] You told Subways, 'who?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:25 2014] Subways tells you, 'hyjal'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:34 2014] You told Subways, 'ty'
[Mon Jan 06 12:54:04 2014] Subways tells you, 'was your tell earlier about that teir 2.1 non-sense , cause i know we have targets in mind today'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:13 2014] You told Subways, 'shrug I just wanted to know ifi you were planning to join the rotation thing, and the answer seems to be no, so we'll plan accordingly'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:49 2014] Subways tells you, 'im not an officer , and until 5 mins ago i never heard of any teir 2 guild rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:01 2014] You told subways, 'I don't really think going against it will work out for you but <shrug>'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:09 2014] You told subways, 'thats why I asked if you had heard about it'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:27 2014] You told subways, 'well I tried to ask, Hyjal immediately went afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:44 2014] Subways tells you, 'not sure im trying to get his phone number'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:51 2014] Subways tells you, 'since he has been afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:54 2014] You told Subways, 'my point was this'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:07 2014] You told Subways, 'if you guys want to join I would support you '
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:21 2014] You told Subways, 'because imo rotations don't work unless you allow people to join that want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:26 2014] You told Subways, 'but youhave to want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:59:20 2014] Subways tells you, 'will update as soon as i hear from him'
[Mon Jan 06 13:00:01 2014] You told Subways, 'alright'
[Mon Jan 06 13:51:06 2014] Subways tells you, 'aparently he wants no part of that rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 13:56:48 2014] Subways tells you, 'also a GM told him that thread means nothing, guilds can FFA whatever up to 3 targets ect'
[Mon Jan 06 14:08:39 2014] You told subways, 'yes its purely a player agreement. And I was fairly sure he wasn't interested, I just wanted to put it out there and make sure.'

And this was after Doljo's FIRST POST in the Sky rotation forum which was not 'Hey, we'd like to join' it was 'Fuck you, we're going to do whatever we want'.

[letsallkillandy]

I'm glad somebody (from the staff) called out the fact that people are doing the exact same thing that was done to TMO except now its Lord Bob instead.

[Juevento]

P99 blue really needs to go red for a week or two so the douche bags can be properly dealt with.

[Jaxon]

Europa, A-Team, Azure Guard, and Indignation have all managed to find a spot in the sky rotation.

Pretty much every other guild that's not in Class C has found their way into a Class R rotation.

Quit making excuses for them, Derubael. They've been approached time and time again and have always given the same answer: not interested. People are shunning them because surprise! -- they're acting like dicks. The issue here is squarely with Bob.

[Derubael]

Splorf, do you mean you spoke to them after they made their sky day post saying they wouldn't join in on the rotation, which was made after they were told 'no, you can't join the sky rotation'?

I said they weren't invited to the negotiations. I knew that you invited them to join the tier 2 rotation. They don't want to do that - they want to race for mobs, just not against TMO/FE/IB, just like BDA/Taken/AG didn't want to do. Why is that ludicrous?

[Miser]

Derubael, logic doesn't work with these people. You're just wasting your time here, bud.

[Cecily]

Can we switch the letters around? C- casual guild, R- raid guild makes more sense imo. Class C just comes off as an insult to me.

[khanable]

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...?

Before and after

One of their very first raids they came into Fear while we were there and I explained to them we don't go to planes when other guilds were there and that it's just a etiquette thing. The person I was speaking to said they tried to talk to leadership and that leadership wanted to go anyway.

So to be fair, they didn't exactly start off on the right foot either

That person later became an officer but then disappeared on Christmas :(

[Origin]

Can we switch the letters around? C- casual guild, R- raid guild makes more sense imo. Class C just comes off as an insult to me.

This. Lets make it happen.

[Splorf22]

Splorf, do you mean you spoke to them after they made their sky day post saying they wouldn't join in on the rotation, which was made after they were told 'no, you can't join the rotation'?

Derubael, if their intial post was 'we won't join the rotation', how could they possibly have been denied?

I said they weren't invited to the negotiations. I knew that you invited them to join the tier 2 rotation. They don't want to do that - they want to race for mobs, just not against TMO/FE/IB, just like BDA/Taken/AG didn't want to do. Why is that ludicrous?

Your assertion that Lord Bob has been continually shit on is ludicrous.

[Ella`Ella]

Also, I guess it's hard to fuck up in class c when all the content is being rotated in VP.

Pretty sure TMO and FE/IB have been competing for Hoshkar and PD. But, what would I know, I only raid in VP with those guilds. I should probably rely on hearsay for my information.

[Derubael]

That person later became an officer but then disappeared on Christmas :(

Cucumbers, what did you do to that man?! :eek:

[khanable]

Cucumbers, what did you do to that man?! :eek:

Haha I don't even know, my logs go until Dec 24th I was tanked on shitty cheap whiskey chatting with the person and that was the last I ever saw of them

still on my friends list today!

RIP

[Cecily]

Would also settle for FE, IB, TMO being called S rank chocobos.

[Portsche]

Also, I guess it's hard to fuck up in class c when all the content is being rotated in VP.
Wrong.

[Portsche]

One of these days when Lord Bob has "stolen" enough of your designated pixels, they will at least have the balls to step up and compete.

[Wrench]

Can we switch the letters around? C- casual guild, R- raid guild makes more sense imo. Class C just comes off as an insult to me.

im reading this thread for the gm white knighting and lord bob shit talking

get the fuck out with your nonsense

[Splorf22]

Also I am fairly sure Troubledour told me he invited Hyjal to the great tox rollof for mobs and Hyjal told him to fuck off, so your assertion that they were not invited to the negotiations is probably wrong also.

[devils04]

This server is turning into shit and has been for awhile. The gm's pick and choose their fav guilds, they have no interest in preserving the server. All they care about is conflicts, that is the reason they are defending Lord Bob. They change rules to make the game unclassic yet they shoot down any real classic mechanics, and they expect people to be happy. It is a free server and I understand that, however with the current state of the servers gms the game is a joke. From the gms actions it would seem they support the tactic lord bob has used.

[Juevento]

One of these days when Lord Bob has "stolen" enough of your designated pixels, they will at least have the balls to step up and compete.

http://i.imgur.com/2cGR1zc.jpg (http://imgur.com/2cGR1zc)

Yeah, not so much...

[Man0warr]

It's pretty clear by Derken's posts that they will take whichever side allows for the most conflict.

[Raavak]

I'm not sure why the GM's are defending Lord Bob so hard.
Because its a tiny guild that certain other guilds are shitting on, then making excuses for why they don't have to play nice.

[arsenalpow]

http://i.imgur.com/2cGR1zc.jpg (http://imgur.com/2cGR1zc)

Yeah, not so much...

Hahahaha

[Derubael]

All they care about is conflicts, that is the reason they are defending Lord Bob.

Pardon, but the issue I have is that I don't like it when one guild or group of guilds shits on another guild. I didn't like it when TMO did it to FE/BDA/everyone else, and I don't like it now.

I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others.

BDA/Taken/AG/etc didn't want to be forced into competing with TMO/FE/IB because they were unable or unwilling to do so. Why is Doljon suddenly the exception, just because they won't conform to the more casual play style?

I never once defended Doljon's actions in sky outlined in this thread. I didn't even speak to them.

[Pringles]

Shouldnt this violate the play nice policy instituted by GMs and result in raid suspensions? (sorry im not reading 11 pages to find out - only the OP)

[Raavak]

I have a great idea. How about BDA start playing nice with people and treating them fairly instead of trying to make the whole server play how you want them to play or threaten/berate/flame/blacklist them?

[Heebo]

Shouldnt this violate the play nice policy instituted by GMs and result in raid suspensions? (sorry im not reading 11 pages to find out - only the OP)

lol

[arsenalpow]

I have a great idea. How about BDA start playing nice with people and treating them fairly instead of trying to make the whole server play how you want them to play or threaten/berate/flame/blacklist them?

You mean like TMO forced everyone to play for the past 18+ months?

Also, there will be no blacklisting by BDA, period. Additionally, we tried to play nice with Dolj as evidenced by at least 3 other BDA members that posted in this thread, they don't give a fuck.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm glad somebody (from the staff) called out the fact that people are doing the exact same thing that was done to TMO except now its Lord Bob instead.

And why wouldn't people be reacting the same way?

If a minority (3 guilds) are trying to dictate how all the guilds are going to play, then things needed to change. Rogean changed them.

Now, within the Class R construct that was designed to alleviate those issues, we once again have a minority (1 guild) trying to dictate to the rest of the guilds in Class R how the raid scene is going to work. Yes, the same shit is happening because a minority refuses to respect the way the majority wants to play the game.

Lord Bob is trying to dictate a competitive environment to 6-7 guilds that decided to go a different direction. Why does a minority get to continue to dictate to the majority within Class R? That's how shit went down for 2+ years... I thought we were fixing that. It's just unfortunate staff is showing bias toward a particular style of play when they should be neutral.

[Miser]

Love the fact that these multi-year old guilds are talking so much shit about how bad a guild that is a few months old is. Not to mention the fact that beyond the small core of awesome people, they're trying to raid with the dregs of the fuckin' server.

It used to blow my mind that some of you guys are unaware of your own hypocrisy, but nowadays nothing surprises me here.

[Man0warr]

Pardon, but the issue I have is that I don't like it when one guild or group of guilds shits on another guild. I didn't like it when TMO did it to FE/BDA/everyone else, and I don't like it now.

I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others.

BDA/Taken/AG/etc didn't want to be forced into competing with TMO/FE/IB because they were unable or unwilling to do so. Why is Doljon suddenly the exception, just because they won't conform to the more casual play style?

I never once defended Doljon's actions in sky outlined in this thread. I didn't even speak to them.

The other guilds only started to "shit on them" because from when they first formed on this server they were coming into people's Hate/Fear clears and causing disruptions. They basically told people to fuck off they were going to go against etiquette and do what they wanted.

This was WAY before the whole raid suspension and Class C/Class R stuff.

What are you failing to understand here? No one in these guilds just decided to shit on Lord Bob for no reason - they brought it on themselves with their actions well before Sky/Raid drama took place in December.

[Splorf22]

[QUOTE=Derubael;1305491]I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others./QUOTE]

Clearly the playstyles of the guilds that abide by the Sky rotation (that would be every other guild on the server) don't matter at all.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others.

BDA/Taken/AG/etc didn't want to be forced into competing with TMO/FE/IB because they were unable or unwilling to do so. Why is Doljon suddenly the exception, just because they won't conform to the more casual play style?

Because we once again have a minority forcing a majority to play a certain way.

[Asap]

Pardon, but the issue I have is that I don't like it when one guild or group of guilds shits on another guild. I didn't like it when TMO did it to FE/BDA/everyone else, and I don't like it now.

I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others.

BDA/Taken/AG/etc didn't want to be forced into competing with TMO/FE/IB because they were unable or unwilling to do so. Why is Doljon suddenly the exception, just because they won't conform to the more casual play style?

I never once defended Doljon's actions in sky outlined in this thread. I didn't even speak to them.

I'm pretty sure Lord Bob refused to follow any PnP, they brought it upon themselves

[Splorf22]

I have a great idea. How about BDA start playing nice with people and treating them fairly instead of trying to make the whole server play how you want them to play or threaten/berate/flame/blacklist them?

The A-Team wants to play nice with everyone. But it has to go both ways.

[Vyal]

Pardon, but the issue I have is that I don't like it when one guild or group of guilds shits on another guild. I didn't like it when TMO did it to FE/BDA/everyone else, and I don't like it now.

I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others.

BDA/Taken/AG/etc didn't want to be forced into competing with TMO/FE/IB because they were unable or unwilling to do so. Why is Doljon suddenly the exception, just because they won't conform to the more casual play style?

I never once defended Doljon's actions in sky outlined in this thread. I didn't even speak to them.

Lord Bob shits on everyone, a clear example was them stealing Indignations sky day. You want to talk about how small of a guild they are but Indig is no bigger and I know our leadership shows tons of respect to other guilds on the server & you know what actually not being dicks to people pays off. If you want to act like ass holes and play like ass holes you get shit on. No one just randomly said ohh hey let's all go shit on Lord Bob man.....
Rather then get their own slot in Sky and be cool with people and show a little respect like every other guild they took this path... You think they should be applauded?
Think it was smart?
What happens next time they are in sky?
There will be half the server there making sure they don't get any kills...

[quido]

If majority ruled on everything we'd have full repops every day!

[Splorf22]

serious?

you're comparing "staff enforced rules" to "player enforced agreements". TMO agreed to what the staff declared as law. if Bob guild wants to prep for Class C by testing what they can do versus the Class R guilds, i think that would be an extremely smart move, and i commend them for it.

No, it's a stupid move. The correct move would have been to join the sky rotation, join the R guild rotation and gear up/ get attempts without pressure at first, then join Class C in Velious.

[Miser]

No, it's a stupid move. The correct move would have been to join the sky rotation, join the R guild rotation and gear up/ get attempts without pressure at first, then join Class C in Velious.


That's not the smart move. That's the shady move. At least Dolj are fuckin' men and made their intentions clear from the start.

[Yaolin]

Miser.... you don't have your toon names or guild posted anywhere on your forum account... good show sir... good show.... Men men men men men......

[Vyal]

That's not the smart move. That's the shady move. At least Dolj are fuckin' men and made their intentions clear from the start.

Saying your going to come into someones house while they sleep and rob them is making your intentions clear also.... Doesn't really make you a man now does it?

[Miser]

Miser.... you don't have your toon names or guild posted anywhere on your forum account... good show sir... good show.... Men men men men men......

Fixed it, I think. I don't forum too often. My main is Soufoda, a shaman.

[Lanuven]

To sum up this thread..

No one is going to play nice with Bob because they didnt want to in the first place.
Deru has no clue once again and is on his knees hard for Bob.

[Splorf22]

That's not the smart move. That's the shady move. At least Dolj are fuckin' men and made their intentions clear from the start.

Moving from class R to class C is not shady; it is encouraged by the staff.

[Kope]

Pardon, but the issue I have is that I don't like it when one guild or group of guilds shits on another guild. I didn't like it when TMO did it to FE/BDA/everyone else, and I don't like it now.

I'm speaking my mind in this particular instance because I find it unfair that Doljon is getting called out for not acquiescing to the play-style of guilds like bda, taken, and ag, when their entire argument during these raid talks is to not force play-styles on others.

BDA/Taken/AG/etc didn't want to be forced into competing with TMO/FE/IB because they were unable or unwilling to do so. Why is Doljon suddenly the exception, just because they won't conform to the more casual play style?

I never once defended Doljon's actions in sky outlined in this thread. I didn't even speak to them.

I really hate RNF, and the only reason I even read this thread is because 1) I can't turn RNF off (opted out...multiple times...but it never goes away) and 2) the GM intervention in this discussion.

Derubael, the entire reason why I liked (and fought for, against the petitions of many) the 1 1 1 plan is it allowed for both diverging gameplay sets equal footing, and anyone between the ability to do what they wanted.

Lord bob isn't forced to do anything they don't want to do, period. There is no GM enforced play nice rotation in any way, it is entirely a player construct so that:

1) The smaller guilds have a shot at the mobs that they can kill but would otherwise be blocked off from them

and

2) Individuals and guilds that had no want to track for hours on end for even a chance at engaging a mob didn't have to against their personal desires

This is the entire point of this argument - I do not want to stop Lord Bob (actually I hope this title isn't inflammatory to you guys, I honestly have no idea how to spell this name and would have to look it up every time, if it is inflammatory to you I would be happy to look it up and type it out) from playing the way they want to play the game, but that's the entire point of the distinction between "Class C" and "Class R". Class R is restricted for a reason - we are accepting restricted mob access because we do not have an interest in competing the way the competitive class wishes to.

I have not talked to Lord Bob, so I do not know their exact reasoning for things, but I would be more than happy to work with the guilds and make a spot with them in

1) the sky rotation

as well as

2) the raid mob rotation

but only if they wanted to. I will not force them into a style of play they don't want to be into, but they can do what they want to incentivise competition in the competition class, hence the name of the entire class.

That being said if they choose to stay in Class R and purposefully hinder the restricted and play nice atmosphere in the name of competition this seems entirely contradictory from the entire point of the 1 1 1 plan, because there's an entire class dedicated towards competition that do not want to play nice.

What I'm most concerned about is the GM intervention and assumptions of information displayed in this thread as if every class R guild felt like shitting on Lord Bob from the start, which I can assure you is entirely incorrect and a misguided assumption.

[quido]

Due to some helpful PMs in response to my other post about Lord Bob, I am now 99.99% convinced that Lord Bob is run by Acarer and his crew of sketchballs.

[Raavak]

Because we once again have a minority forcing a majority to play a certain way."Majority" of course meaning BDA as always. Pathetic how the largest guild is always trying to push everyone around all the time.

[Pheer]

i feel like all the Class R guilds are treating lord bob like a way huger threat than they really are

Sure they sniped your sky day, but how far did they even get in sky? island 4 at the most?

I might start taking threads like this seriously when they actually kill something noteworthy

[Portsche]

One of these days when Lord Bob has "stolen" enough of your designated pixels, they will at least have the balls to step up and compete.http://i.imgur.com/2cGR1zc.jpg (http://imgur.com/2cGR1zc)

Yeah, not so much...

HahahahaWhat's so funny? All you did with a screen shot of the guild classifications to date, is confirm it. They don't want your rotations, they want to compete. BUT...they're smart enough to know that they can't yet with FE/IB/TMO. So they'll practice on the carebear mobs for now, steal some of your designated pixels, and take a shot as us later. Good for them.

[Miser]

Moving from class R to class C is not shady; it is encouraged by the staff.

Collecting loot on a schedule and then moving to class C isn't going to work. You need to level up as a guild, and that includes learning how to race people that are close to your current abilities.

I've asked it before, and still don't have an answer,... why is it that you guys live in a world of extremes and think that the entire spectrum of raid options is comprised of only schedule loot pick-ups and shitting in socks? There can be gentlemanly competition.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Due to some helpful PMs in response to my other post about Lord Bob, I am now 99.99% convinced that Lord Bob is run by Acarer and his crew of sketchballs.

Is it okay to hate on them now then? I'm confused.

[Splorf22]

What's so funny? All you did with a screen shot of the guild classifications to date, is confirm it. They don't want your rotations, they want to compete. BUT...they're smart enough to know that they can't yet with FE/IB/TMO. So they'll practice on the carebear mobs for now, steal some of your designated pixels, and take a shot as us later. Good for them.

They aren't a class r guild because they haven't killed any class r mobs.

[Ella`Ella]

Is it okay to hate on them now then? I'm confused.

We'll let Detective Jeremy decide their fate.

[Kagatob]

Collecting loot on a schedule and then moving to class C isn't going to work. You need to level up as a guild, and that includes learning how to race people that are close to your current abilities.

I've asked it before, and still don't have an answer,... why is it that you guys live in a world of extremes and think that the entire spectrum of raid options is comprised of only schedule loot pick-ups and shitting in socks? There can be gentlemanly competition.

You are a moron. There is no third class of "light competitive" there are two classifications of guilds, not a spectrum.

[arsenalpow]

What's so funny? All you did with a screen shot of the guild classifications to date, is confirm it. They don't want your rotations, they want to compete. BUT...they're smart enough to know that they can't yet with FE/IB/TMO. So they'll practice on the carebear mobs for now, steal some of your designated pixels, and take a shot as us later. Good for them.

The joke is that Bob guild has yet to kill a target, which is why they aren't on the kill list yet.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Collecting loot on a schedule and then moving to class C isn't going to work. You need to level up as a guild, and that includes learning how to race people that are close to your current abilities.

I've asked it before, and still don't have an answer,... why is it that you guys live in a world of extremes and think that the entire spectrum of raid options is comprised of only schedule loot pick-ups and shitting in socks? There can be gentlemanly competition.

That's what the FFA class of mob spawns is for.

[quido]

I like that Lord Bob is throwing salt on the game of the crybabies, but all the same, my disdain for the Acarer crew outweighs that enjoyment.

[Miser]

I'm a moron? A minority on this server is the ones that decided that it is either black or white. Regarding the FFA nonsense,... ok so you guys that are on the rotation are gonna back off and not touch FFA mobs? Gimme a fuckin' break.

Honest to God, I don't really give a damn how this shakes out, but the people on one side of this argument haven't made a single good point.

[Miser]

in before "is the ones". dont even know how to edit on this forum

[YendorLootmonkey]

"Majority" of course meaning BDA as always. Pathetic how the largest guild is always trying to push everyone around all the time.

Nope, count the number of guilds in the set { Class R } Now count the number of guilds in the set { Lord Dojo... }. Then provide your definition of "majority of guilds in Class R." I realize the answer to these questions will fuck up your spin doctor assertion above, so I don't blame you if you don't reply.

[Fael]

Someone explain the concept of privity to these casual scum.

If you want Dolj to stop "screwing" with your sky plans, then perhaps you should contact them and figure out a way to bring them into the fold. They weren't a part of your old agreements. Why should they adhere to the little schedule you guys developed without them.

Crying for gm intervention is pathetic. Cut them a deal like men, or don't complain when they do their own thing.


Dolic

[quido]

Does majority rule, Yendor? Let's see how well that works out for you across the board, ya moran


(hint: it doesn't)

[Miser]

^ Thank God, another actual human being. Thanks, Dolic.

[Portsche]

One of these days when Lord Bob has "stolen" enough of your designated pixels, they will at least have the balls to step up and compete.
They don't want your rotations, they want to compete. BUT...they're smart enough to know that they can't yet with FE/IB/TMO. So they'll practice on the carebear mobs for nowThey aren't a class r guild because they haven't killed any class r mobs.The joke is that Bob guild has yet to kill a target, which is why they aren't on the kill list yet.

[Derubael]

Good post, Kope.

I will rephrase and clarify:

I understand that Doljon haven't always been the nicest kids on the block. Despite what some of you think ("Deru has no clue once again") I see both sides of the fence on this. Why? Because I talk to players, I see petitions, I watch things happen, and I use that to assess situations as they come.

Did Doljon step on some toes when they first got here due to their play-style? Yes, absolutely. They came here to play because it's one of the last bastions of a truly competitive open world raid environment in the MMORPG world. But I believe hate perpetuates hate, and the way the guilds opposite Doljon have handled the situation (I say 'guilds' even though I realize a number of you have tried to be nice, so don't take offense) has not helped the circumstances leading up to this point.

Bottom line is if Doljon wants to compete in Class-R, they should be allowed to without having a legion of people telling them to play their way or GTFO. Especially when the same people telling them to GTFO were told to play their way or GTFO by TMO/FE/IB just a short time ago. That doesn't make sense, and goes against everything a large majority of the people on this server were saying prior to and during the raid discussion talks we just had.

This is my issue. This is why I'm in this thread.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm a moron? A minority on this server is the ones that decided that it is either black or white. Regarding the FFA nonsense,... ok so you guys that are on the rotation are gonna back off and not touch FFA mobs? Gimme a fuckin' break.

No, we are going to give them the "gentlemanly competition" you are asserting that they want. But no, that's not what they want... they want convenient, limited competition against just one guild... the guild who shows up at the Class R mob as part of their agreed upon rotation we've all worked out. I get it... it's easier that way than trying for the mob during the FFA spawn... so stop being purposely obtuse.

[Portsche]

Good post, Kope.

I will rephrase and clarify:

I understand that Doljon haven't always been the nicest kids on the block. Despite what some of you think ("Deru has no clue once again") I see both sides of the fence on this. Why? Because I talk to players, I see petitions, I watch things happen, and I use that to assess situations as they come.

Did Doljon step on some toes when they first got here due to their play-style? Yes, absolutely. They came here to play because it's one of the last bastions of a truly competitive open world raid environment in the MMORPG world. But I believe hate perpetuates hate, and the way the guilds opposite Doljon have handled the situation (I say 'guilds' even though I realize a number of you have tried to be nice, so don't take offense) has not helped the circumstances leading up to this point.

Bottom line is if Doljon wants to compete in Class-R, they should be allowed to without having a legion of people telling them to play their way or GTFO. Especially when the same people telling them to GTFO were told to play their way or GTFO by TMO/FE/IB just a short time ago. That doesn't make sense, and goes against everything a large majority of the people on this server were saying prior to and during the raid discussion talks we just had.

This is my issue. This is why I'm in this thread.

tl;dr - Pot, meet Kettle.

[Splorf22]

Someone explain the concept of privity to these casual scum.

If you want Dolj to stop "screwing" with your sky plans, then perhaps you should contact them and figure out a way to bring them into the fold. They weren't a part of your old agreements. Why should they adhere to the little schedule you guys developed without them.

Crying for gm intervention is pathetic. Cut them a deal like men, or don't complain when they do their own thing.


Dolic

Totally wrong; Lord Bob has been contacted many times. They aren't interested.

[Miser]

No, we are going to give them the "gentlemanly competition" you are asserting that they want. But no, that's not what they want... they want convenient, limited competition against just one guild... the guild who shows up at the Class R mob as part of their agreed upon rotation we've all worked out. I get it... it's easier that way than trying for the mob during the FFA spawn... so stop being purposely obtuse.

Then what exactly is the problem here?

[Miser]

You wanna gang up? Fine. The only posts I see crying about shit are from people that aren't in Dolj.

[Raavak]

Is it okay to hate on them now then? I'm confused.
We'll let Detective Jeremy decide their fate.
History would seem to say that they will implode at some point.

[Fael]

Totally wrong; Lord Bob has been contacted many times. They aren't interested.

Wonder what the terms were....
/shrug

Dolic

[Kagatob]

("Deru has no clue once again")

I agree

[YendorLootmonkey]

Good post, Kope.

I will rephrase and clarify:

I understand that Doljon haven't always been the nicest kids on the block. Despite what some of you think ("Deru has no clue once again") I see both sides of the fence on this. Why? Because I talk to players, I see petitions, I watch things happen, and I use that to assess situations as they come.

Did Doljon step on some toes when they first got here due to their play-style? Yes, absolutely. They came here to play because it's one of the last bastions of a truly competitive open world raid environment in the MMORPG world. But I believe hate perpetuates hate, and the way the guilds opposite Doljon have handled the situation (I say 'guilds' even though I realize a number of you have tried to be nice, so don't take offense) has not helped the circumstances leading up to this point.

Bottom line is if Doljon wants to compete in Class-R, they should be allowed to without having a legion of people telling them to play their way or GTFO. Especially when the same people telling them to GTFO were told to play their way or GTFO by TMO/FE/IB just a short time ago. That doesn't make sense, and goes against everything a large majority of the people on this server were saying prior to and during the raid discussion talks we just had.

This is my issue. This is why I'm in this thread.

A minority (TMO/FE/IB) were dictating to the rest of the guilds (Divinity/A-Team/Taken/BDA/Azure Guard/other guilds that didn't even bother with raiding due to the toxic raid scene) how to play, causing resentment, disdain, and friction.

Now, another minority (Lord Bob) is trying to dictate to many other guilds (see above for the list) how the Class R raiding is going to work, causing resentment, disdain, and friction.

What is so difficult to understand?

[Raavak]

He sees it all not and just your little corner of Norrath. And he sees it from a viewpoint of not having to compete with them or risk losing loot to them. I think he's spot on calling you guys out for doing exactly the same thing you were complaining other guilds of doing.

[Kagatob]

Deru showing more and more of his bias with each post. Notice how the only ones who are sucking his dick are the TMO posters.

[Splorf22]

Derubael, why the fuck are you and Sirken in here gloating over the fact that the players are being dicks to each other? Why do you guys have such a hard on for people going nuts over a fucking emulated server? It would be one thing if you guys simply said 'hey, these are the server rules, it's up to you to handle player agreements'. Instead you saying 'haha they took your pixels' and posting immature memes.

The incomprehensible position of the staff is why I'm in this thread.

[Man0warr]

I think you people are confusing things here.

No one is stopping Lord Bob from getting on the Class R rotation if they want it.

This issue is about PLANE OF SKY, which is completely separate from Class C/R and I don't even know why people dragged that conversation into it.

PoS is rotated by ALL raid guilds on the server, it's not an issue of casual or hardcore.

[Man0warr]

I think you people are confusing things here.

No one is stopping Lord Bob from getting on the Class R rotation if they want it.

This issue is about PLANE OF SKY, which is completely separate from Class C/R and I don't even know why people dragged that conversation into it.

PoS is rotated by ALL raid guilds on the server, it's not an issue of casual or hardcore - Lord Bob dicking it up affects everyone.

[YendorLootmonkey]

He sees it all not and just your little corner of Norrath. And he sees it from a viewpoint of not having to compete with them or risk losing loot to them. I think he's spot on calling you guys out for doing exactly the same thing you were complaining other guilds of doing.

How is Dojo forcing their competitive style of play on a Class R group of guilds -- who have already demonstrated, by virtue of staying in Class R, that they do not desire to play that way --"forcing Dojo to play our way", when there is the FFA class of mob spawns for everyone to compete in a "gentlemanly manner" for?

[Raavak]

I don't get the impression anyone in TMO really gives a crap, except that a bunch of guilds are ganging up on some little new guild that doesn't have a kill, and trying really, really hard to make sure they don't get any.

[Splorf22]

Wonder what the terms were....
/shrug

Dolic

Dolic, what the fuck do you think I said to them? "OH WE'RE DOING A ROTATION, WE'LL LET YOU HAVE MAESTRO?". I told them I would support them if they wanted to join the rotation.

It seems like all of the pro-competition people are just in here gloating about how 'well, we can't fuck with the casual guilds, but at least they can'. Don't you have anything better to do?

[Red_Psyphon]

Derubael is right. Wasn't long ago most guilds were crying about having raid terms dictated. Now who's dictating?

[Raavak]

How about we just disband all guilds that Chest and Yendor don't like? Nah, lets just chase them off the server!!

[Raavak]

Derubael is right. Wasn't long ago most guilds were crying about having raid terms dictated. Now who's dictating?

[Derubael]

Derubael, why the fuck are you and Sirken in here gloating over the fact that the players are being dicks to each other? Why do you guys have such a hard on for people going nuts over a fucking emulated server? It would be one thing if you guys simply said 'hey, these are the server rules, it's up to you to handle player agreements'. Instead you saying 'haha they took your pixels' and posting immature memes.

The incomprehensible position of the staff is why I'm in this thread.

I have not posted a single meme in this thread, nor have I said anything about anyone taking pixels or anything to that effect. My entire argument this whole time has been 'lets stop telling doljon to gtfo'.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Derubael is right. Wasn't long ago most guilds were crying about having raid terms dictated. Now who's dictating?

Lord Bob... dictating their way or the highway in Plane of Sky against a serverwide rotation agreement, and imposing competition on a Class R group who wanted to do away with competition for their slice of the pie, when there are two other slices, Class C and Class FFA they could be competing for.

Lorean is 100% right... we finally got the pixel denying douchebags into their own class where they finally can't fuck with other guilds anymore, and they all have boners over Lord Bob fucking with the guilds they can no longer negatively impact. Awesome show, kids.

[Juevento]

Or let's go red and handle our disagreements in-game instead of through RnF. Someone wants to compete? Let them fight for it. If you think racing is competition go fucking try out for NASCAR. I would love to see some of the supposed "competitive" people on a real server like Vallon was back in the day. They'd get stomped into oblivion.

[arsenalpow]

How about we just disband all guilds that Chest and Yendor don't like? Nah, lets just chase them off the server!!

Look dude, I know you're firmly attached to my dick but I don't swing your way. Can't speak for Yendor though.

[Raavak]

All this is really moot. Considering the leadership change people should be concentrating on getting to know the best of Lord Bob's players for when the inevitable happens and they either can't take it anymore or their guildleader flies off the handle and deguilds them.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Look dude, I know you're firmly attached to my dick but I don't swing your way. Can't speak for Yendor though.

Depends on if he can get a guild I don't like disbanded or not. No homo.

[Splorf22]

I have not posted a single meme in this thread, nor have I said anything about anyone taking pixels or anything to that effect. My entire argument this whole time has been 'lets stop telling doljon to gtfo'.

Sirken has two.

And for the last time NO ONE IS TELLING LORD BOB TO GTFO. We are just asking them to play nice.

If you go to a friendly pickup basketball game and start talking shit and making dumbass fouls, you're going to get thrown out. That's what's happening here. Except you are in there saying WHY AREN'T YOU PLAYING NICE WITH THESE ASSHATS. Its mind boggling.

[Burrito]

BDA the bad guys for moving into a player agreed rotation. BDA the bad guys for defending against a guild trying to threaten that player agreed rotation.

Well alright listen here p1999- and listen well- we're here to rotate, make no mistake. And once we're done turning, and churning, you betcha we're coming after you!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/34/MetalManiac.jpg/220px-MetalManiac.jpg


Now where do we hire our forum lawyers?


/sarcasm

[quido]

In all fairness, it is their prerogative to be as big of dicks as the rules allow. If you don't like it - do something about it.

That said, down with sketchball cheater RMTer Acarer and his crew of flunkies.

[Miser]

Are you seriously so fuckin' self-centered that you think not agreeing with you is being an asshat? How about you guys offer up something for the Dolj guys besides: "Play our way, or we will crush you!" or "Go play with people that out-gear, out-exp, out-dedication you!"

Seriously! They don't need to play by your rules. What should they do besides what they're doing now if being your bitch isn't an option?

[Burrito]

Are you seriously so fuckin' self-centered that you think not agreeing with you is being an asshat? How about you guys offer up something for the Dolj guys besides: "Play our way, or we will crush you!" or "Go play with people that out-gear, out-exp, out-dedication you!"

Seriously! They don't need to play by your rules. What should they do besides what they're doing now if being your bitch isn't an option?

I thought the whole point is they wanted competition?

[Kagatob]

Are you seriously so fuckin' self-centered that you think not agreeing with you is being an asshat? How about you guys offer up something for the Dolj guys besides: "Play our way, or we will crush you!" or "Go play with people that out-gear, out-exp, out-dedication you!"

Seriously! They don't need to play by your rules. What should they do besides what they're doing now if being your bitch isn't an option?

I thought the whole point is they wanted competition?

Seriously. Which one is it?

[Fael]

Honestly, Loraen, my response wasn't intending to suggest anything either way. Literally, i don't know what the terms were. hence, the /shrug. If they were good terms, I would think they would accept. However, this isn't always the case (see BDA and the initial 4x repop plan)

That said, i think this whole deal is about sky quest mob clearing. Not sure why you are bringing up maestro, and the class R rotation.



Dolic

[contemptor]

Dirken views are hilarious. Whatever, we've come to know and expect this.

There is a simpler way to do this. Make sky fully competitive, with a twist. Whoever donates more money to Pantheon receives a 1 hour jump start on sky for that spawn cycle. That way everyone is competing to spend more money to get more pixels, which flows nicely with the current server direction.

[Sinestria]

Bob can do whatever they want as far as gods/dragons are concerned. Ths is not about that. This thread is about a blatant disregard for the only unanimously agreed to server rotation.

Deru, why are you so firm on Bob being the victim when it comes to sky? Do you reall believe that they made an effort to reach out to people about this?

[Splorf22]

Are you seriously so fuckin' self-centered that you think not agreeing with you is being an asshat?

Every other guild on the server respects the sky rotation, so . . yes.

[Thulack]

There is nothing wrong with Bob it's everyone else that has the problem.....Right Derubael. How long is gonna be before you stop blaming everyone else and look at the real problem which is Lord Bob? Personally I and i'm not speaking for Taken will have nothing to do with any Lord Bob member. Indignation did it the right way to get on the sky schedule and look what they got for it. Fucked...

[Fael]

Ok then. What time slot does lord bob get as per the sky rotation?

Dolic

[Aryan_Stormfront]

You guys really like Plane of Sky?

All I'm seeing is a bunch of people fighting over a shit sandwich.

Let Lord Bob have every day, Sky is the worst!

[Nikon]

The more everyone talks about them, the bigger their egos get. I'm sure they are sitting back laughing right now and this will just drive them more, especially after a GM is here supporting them publicly. Sorry to say, but with the rules the way they are, the only option seems to be to band together and stomp them if they are rustling enough jimmies. It's not like it wasn't obvious this was going to happen once all the new raid rules were implemented. Funny to me how we're back to ~10% of a raid group causing 90% of the problems respectively, though. IB/FE/TMO should be (and is) eating this up and taking note. These are future class C applicants.

Personally, I've only had to interact with two Dolj members, and to be frank, they were both dicks, but that is my limited experience and for all I know it was the same person both times. This is EQ and you can be the biggest dick you want as long as you are an effective rules lawyer and/or don't get FRAPS'd.

[Splorf22]

Ok then. What time slot does lord bob get as per the sky rotation?

Dolic

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

I know this may be hard for you to believe Dolic and Derubael, but we really aren't the assholes trying to stomp on Lord Bob here.

[Raavak]

If you go to a friendly pickup basketball game and start talking shit and making dumbass fouls, you're going to get thrown out.Players don't get to do the throwing out. That's what some of you are trying to do.

[Aaron]

Are you seriously so fuckin' self-centered that you think not agreeing with you is being an asshat? How about you guys offer up something for the Dolj guys besides: "Play our way, or we will crush you!" or "Go play with people that out-gear, out-exp, out-dedication you!"

Seriously! They don't need to play by your rules. What should they do besides what they're doing now if being your bitch isn't an option?

Dude....what the hell?

First, this post is a complete contradiction to what you guys claim you want.

Second, I don't give a rat's ass about the way Dolj wants to raid dragons. But it's pretty shitty to step on Indignation (a smaller guild with less raid experience than Dolj), instead of just asking for a PoS day in the rotation.

I know Deru has some made-up fantasy that Dolj requested a day in Sky and was denied, but this never happened. So, instead of requesting a spot, you shit all over the smallest guild on their first ever attempt?

[YendorLootmonkey]

So, based on some viewpoints in this thread, it would be completely okay for BDA to come over to Class C and impose a rotation on Class C guilds when they have already demonstrated they are not interested in playing that way, and we would have Deru and Sirken's support in doing so, and TMO/FE/IB would be the assholes for not playing nice with us?

CLEARLY that wouldn't fly, so why the hypocrisy for supporting Lord Bob imposing their preferred playstyle on Class R?

[Raavak]

the only option seems to be to band together and stomp them if they are rustling enough jimmiesYou really play EQ that way?

[Vyal]

The more everyone talks about them, the bigger their egos get. I'm sure they are sitting back laughing right now and this will just drive them more, especially after a GM is here supporting them publicly. Sorry to say, but with the rules the way they are, the only option seems to be to band together and stomp them if they are rustling enough jimmies. It's not like it wasn't obvious this was going to happen once all the new raid rules were implemented. Funny to me how we're back to ~10% of a raid group causing 90% of the problems respectively, though. IB/FE/TMO should be (and is) eating this up and taking note. These are future class C applicants.

Personally, I've only had to interact with two Dolj members, and to be frank, they were both dicks, but that is my limited experience and for all I know it was the same person both times. This is EQ and you can be the biggest dick you want as long as you are an effective rules lawyer and/or don't get FRAPS'd.

I know they won't be a problem after this because that shit they pulled will only work one time =O
I didn't chime in till I started seeing GM's defending that type of behavior.
Pretty sure the biggest problem here is the GM that keeps defending them for doing what they did not even the Lord Bob guild itself. Cause like I said that shit the pulled will only fly 1 time.

[Reguiy]

Guys guys. Lord Bob is the victim here. Literally every other guild on the server has agreed to a sky rotation. Lord Bob has absolutely no interest in contacting other guilds to try and get into the rotation. They instead went in and leapfrogged the weakest raiding guild in the rotation. They're practically saints. I don't know what everyone is upset at them for.

[Jaxon]

A new kid arrives at school and starts trying to push the other kids around for no reason whatsoever. Despite his antisocial behavior he still gets invited to all the birthday parties and after school events, but flat out refuses to join in. After being shoved around a few more times the good kids start complaining about it. Instead of admonishing the bully, the well-meaning, but completely clueless hippy school principle holds an assembly and says to the school, "I'm sure the new kid is really good at heart. It's all your fault, you know. Maybe he's lashing out at you because you just weren't nice enough to him."

And upon hearing that everyone's bullshit detector gained 5 levels.

[Cecily]

Have you guys tried being nicer to Lorb Bob?

[Derubael]

Sirken has two.

And for the last time NO ONE IS TELLING LORD BOB TO GTFO. We are just asking them to play nice.


Are you saying no one has implied, implicitly or explicitly, that Doljon needs to get off Class R? Or the entire server?


Complete blacklist by all guilds on the Sky Rotation, imo. Do not group with them, do not port them, buy/sell from/to them, rez them, anything.

train their groups a few times a week, it's cathartic

An entire raid class was created for shitting on one another, it's called class c.

Bob guild doesn't want to play ball. There's a place for that, it's called Class C.

How do we belong in Class C if we are not interested in playing in the style of Class C? Sounds like Dojo wants to play that way... why not invite them over?


That's just from a brief glance at this thread. Plenty of other threads and posts highlight the 'Doljon, gtfo' attitude.

[Derubael]

Oh, and for the record, I wish Doljon would enter the sky rotation, but it's their choice if they don't want to.

[Juevento]

Have you guys tried being nicer to Lorb Bob?

Don't have to be nice if sever was red. They roll up looking to snipe a mob? Put them in their place and go about your business.

[Daldolma]

green forum name, pls consult legal dictionary to understand ex ante and ex post facto arguments

[Raavak]

A new kid arrives at school and..." the largest gangs start pushing him around and saying "we make the rules here. Listen to us or we will unite together and stomp you." New kid says, "Fuck you". Bullies get mad and cry about this abomination not following the rules they made.

[Wrench]

haha, this thread is awesome

derubaby is trollin you all and you dont even get it

keep it goin for another 20 pages man

[Reguiy]

Lord Bob should go roll red99 and solve world hunger.

[Daldolma]

the largest gangs start pushing him around and saying "we make the rules here. Listen to us or we will unite together and stomp you." New kid says, "Fuck you". Bullies get mad and cry about this abomination not following the rules they made.

would be a phenomenal metaphor if the reader suffers from an acute learning disability

better metaphor: an entire industry has adopted a set of customs that allow for optimal performance and maximum utility. a newcomer arrives and refuses to abide by the adopted customs. with no means of enforcement, the custom is untenable and the entire industry is thrown into highly inefficient flux

see: holdout problem

note: the newcomer in this metaphor controls 0% market share

[Miser]

Seriously. Which one is it?


How can I be any more clear? They want the competition. Bring it on. The rest of us just want you to stop crying about it.

I haven't seen a single post from one of the guys in Dolj sobbing about unfair treatment. Seems to me that they're too busy playing EQ.

[Jaxon]

haha, this thread is awesome

derubaby is trollin you all and you dont even get it

Or is he??!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFMWNgDO7ZU

[YendorLootmonkey]

Are you saying no one has implied, implicitly or explicitly, that Doljon needs to get off Class R? Or the entire server?

That's just from a brief glance at this thread. Plenty of other threads and posts highlight the 'Doljon, gtfo' attitude.

A blacklisting isn't telling them to GTFO... it is literally the only sanctions players can impose on another guild to enforce an agreement made by guilds/players. It would compel them to make peace with the other guilds in Class R and be a part of the drama-free rotation we have established.

Or, like I said, they can join Class C to share in the same playstyle the Class C guilds enjoy. Or would BDA have your support in going over to C and imposing on them our preferred style of play? Of course not.

[Fael]

Loraen: It isn't hard for me to believe: I totally give you the benefit of the doubt. You and most A-Teamer's are generally very reasonable.

What i've always heard, however, is that when Dolj tried to get on the schedule, the basic response was that there wasn't room, or no one was willing to work with them to help meet their needs. Perhaps what I heard is completely wrong. I don't know. I'm not privy to your converstatios, negotiations, etc.

But, I see Dolj get treated very similar to how we got treated in enraptured, when we were trying to establish ourselves as a raid guild, and basically got forced into merging into TMO because we couldn't recruit because the traditional guilds went on a PR campaign to run us down.

Dolic

[Burrito]

How can I be any more clear? They want the competition. Bring it on. The rest of us just want you to stop crying about it.

I haven't seen a single post from one of the guys in Dolj sobbing about unfair treatment. Seems to me that they're too busy playing EQ.

Why don't we just give them a complimentary bump up to class C

[Derubael]

My understanding of Doljon from this thread:

http://i.imgur.com/iiC8KbN.jpg

[Miser]

How many times does this need to be repeated? They aren't a class C guild. They would get murdered by the guilds there, just as you guys did. Why should they have to put up with that if you guys don't?

The problem here is fundamental. You guys think class R means one thing, and the GMs think it's another. Maybe we need to go back to the drawing board?

[triad]

A blacklisting isn't telling them to GTFO... it is literally the only sanctions players can impose on another guild to enforce an agreement made by guilds/players. It would compel them to make peace with the other guilds in Class R and be a part of the drama-free rotation we have established.

Or, like I said, they can join Class C to share in the same playstyle the Class C guilds enjoy. Or would BDA have your support in going over to C and imposing on them our preferred style of play? Of course not.

grow a pair and quite your bitching for more then a day please .. they dont gotta do shit if they dont want... why does bda seem to bitch so damn much.. .add this whole rotation bullshit and they havnt had a day without some kinda bitchfilled issue with someone else

[Tecmos Deception]

Well that was a fun 23 pages.

[triad]

You guys think class R means one thing, and the GMs think it's another. Maybe we need to go back to the drawing board?
or do it as the gms say it? jsut because someones too stupid to grasp what is going on doesnt mean you rewrite it in picturebook form

[Nikon]

You really play EQ that way?

Your post shows you quoted me but when I quote you it shows you quoted something else, so maybe this wasn't directed towards me but...I haven't raided since 2011 and it will be a bit before I'm raiding again. My opinions are from an outside perspective so take it for what it's worth, but yeah, if someone comes stomping castles in my sandbox, I'm not going to piss and moan about it and not act. I'm going to round up my buddies and do what needs to be done if I can. But that's just me and I'm a little more for the competitive end-game than the rotated end-game.

I get where both sides are coming from, but I'm calling it as I see it. And as I see it, the GMs made clear that what Dolj is doing is a-okay. So now it's up to the other guilds to adapt. Doesn't matter if they are dicks or not.

[Archalen]

Jesus Christ, class R you need to shape up and learn how to alpha.

You are giving entirely too much attention to this imitator guild of alt neckbeards. You know what to do when a guild is being a dick: Make a Hitler video and laugh half of them off the server. In this case, Rog doesn't even have to make a ruling, just support other Class R guilds to make sure Lord Placenta or whatever they are called gets close to zero mobs, then ignore them.

[Aaron]

This is about the Sky Rotation.

Remember that TMO complained pretty loudly when FE tried to claim their Sunday spot. They were able to come to an agreement.

Why is Dolj vs Indignation any different?

[YendorLootmonkey]

How many times does this need to be repeated? They aren't a class C guild. They would get murdered by the guilds there, just as you guys did. Why should they have to put up with that if you guys don't?

The problem here is fundamental. You guys think class R means one thing, and the GMs think it's another. Maybe we need to go back to the drawing board?

Then they should stick to the FFA mobs. Why should they get the special circumstances of competing against only one other guild on a Class R mob at the direct detriment to the other guilds playing nice together in that class? Tell me, what makes them a special exception.

If they want competition, there is the FFA spawn cycle.

If they don't have the skill or manpower to compete on the FFA mobs, they can build up their raid force in the Class R rotation and get practice on those targets, gear up, and build their raid force until they're ready to compete on FFA mobs instead of pissing off 6-7 other guilds in the process.

[Aaron]

How many times does this need to be repeated? They aren't a class C guild.

Technically, not a Class R guild either. More like a nuisance.

[Aaron]

And honestly, Dolj is destined to fail. Horrible leadership and horrible players and horrible wipes on everything they do. In the long run, they don't matter, but I'll still call them out for shitting on the sky rotation, because it was a shitty thing to do.

[YendorLootmonkey]

grow a pair and quite your bitching for more then a day please .. they dont gotta do shit if they dont want... why does bda seem to bitch so damn much.. .add this whole rotation bullshit and they havnt had a day without some kinda bitchfilled issue with someone else

Sticking up for another guild that got assfucked by your pals in Lord Bob on a serverwide agreement is not bitching. It's doing the right thing so we can maintain the one damn thing the server raid scene agrees on.

[Kagatob]

the GMs made clear that what Dolj is doing is a-okay.

This is exactly why hardly anyone who quit during the debacle started over a year ago were bothered to come back. Rogean even went as far as to change the system from a tier 1 tier 2 system to what they have now and yet this bullshit is still considered fine. What's the point of even trying any more?

[triad]

You guys think class R means one thing, and the GMs think it's another. Maybe we need to go back to the drawing board?
do they need me to draw them a picturebook for it? cant fix stupid

[Shaakglith12194]

Crapping on the sky rotation is pretty shitty, but it's their choice. Shows bad character that they chose to do it to the guild who just joined the rotation and was on their first try. They picked the weakest one to "compete" against and that's just shitty. As for them not participating in the rotation for Class R, they'll probably implode before they actually kill anything. How many times are guildmates gonna show up and get outdone before they get tired of dropping everything to "practice" getting ready to have a chance at killing something?

[triad]

ops multipost but still both work

[triad]

Sticking up for another guild that got assfucked by your pals in Lord Bob on a serverwide agreement is not bitching. It's doing the right thing so we can maintain the one damn thing the server raid scene agrees on.

hey man im all for protecting the little guy but its kinda like crying wolf .. you complaine about the minor shit and try and use BS leverage in raid agreements and(given mostly chest) other stupid shit .. when a real issue shows up ll i see is "bitch bitch bitch "

[Triangle]

Alright so I see it like this. We have tried to incorporate dolji yet thy are not interested. Instead they want to steal slots from other guilds and gms are on with that.

Logic says the way to handle this is to stomp these fucks into the ground until they play nice or leave

[Nikon]

This is exactly why hardly anyone who quit during the debacle started over a year ago were bothered to come back. Rogean even went as far as to change the system from a tier 1 tier 2 system to what they have now and yet this bullshit is still considered fine. What's the point of even trying any more?

My understanding was that the underlying idea behind the raid changes was to open up more raid mobs to more guilds and not necessarily stop competition, leap frogging, etc...While there is some strife in the classes, has this goal ultimately not been achieved? That being said I can see why the GMs would take the position they are seeing now as they have always seemed to encourage competition. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Miser]

Nikon, you're 100% correct and it's the people that don't understand what you're saying that are causing the problems.

[triad]

im there should be a FFA element involved in the lower tier because the whole idea was to encourage competition then thats the best way.. hell id join a low tier on an alt and lever loot an item just to be apart of it b/c thats when its the most exciting when you arnt sure even in the best situation if you can do it and on top of that having the race factor... thats what i think of when i think of old EQ raidng

[Kagatob]

My understanding was that the underlying idea behind the raid changes was to open up more raid mobs to more guilds and not necessarily stop competition, leap frogging, etc...While there is some strife in the classes, has this goal ultimately not been achieved? That being said I can see why the GMs would take the position they are seeing now as they have always seemed to encourage competition. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nikon, you're 100% correct and it's the people that don't understand what you're saying that are causing the problems.

Incorrect. Class R is player enforced rotations whether lord Bob likes it or not. They want to try to not have it the way every single other guild had it before they came along, they can suffer the consequences. Lord Bob are the aggressors plain and simple. Don't condemn those who are defending the new (and immensely popular) way of things.

[Daldolma]

Why are some of you talking about "competing"? They're not "competing". They looked at the Sky rotation, picked the weakest possible guild's sky night, then snaked in and keyed up while the other guild was clearing Isle 1 for keys.

What exactly is the competition there? Buying a key and clicking the portal?

[Burrito]

At this point- can we just make a new RNF to talk about the idea of a new guild wanting to join R, and keep this thread based on the Dolj Sky incident.

[letsallkillandy]

haha, this thread is awesome

derubaby is trollin you all and you dont even get it

keep it goin for another 20 pages man

I do and its hilarious. I love this thread.

[chief]

Give the casual guilds some pixels and they become a bunch of pixel addicts. Welcome to the good life bros