40 Nihilum showed up for Nagafen years after box released - No Variance killing Red99

[Stasis01]

No variance does not allow for competition, even years after the box was released Nagafen is still easily killed with a time commitment of about 30 mins out of a week.

If GM's do not address the static timer and how easymode this box is for the #1 guild it will continue to stay low pop and uninteresting/boring.

We have years of experience with Red99, we know it doesn't work - one guild has kept all mobs down the entire time, it's too easy.

It isn't even a debate anymore, this is broken.

[Stasis01]

If they had to keep trackers on top of Naggy, and actually had to invest some sort of effort into getting him, as with all the 7 day timers, this box would be an environment that underdogs could actually compete in.

Ty for your time GM's.

[Nocsucow]

server is wack and dead bro give it up

[Feen]

How is it broken? Just come and kill us. Easy solution. You lost at PvP, we win the dragon. It's simple.

[vouss]

80 people on, 40 tagged nihilum

[HippoNipple]

How is it broken? Just come and kill us. Easy solution. You lost at PvP, we win the dragon. It's simple.

Lol

[Stasis01]

It is too one sided, much like any server in EQ history to take on the #1 spot head on.

The problem is the static timers allow you to keep all of them down, forever, with minimal effort like has been done since release of the box up until Velious with even Draco/Naggy/Vox.

Box is easymode, it's too easy for #1 to take mobs that competing guilds depend on.

The pop/raid situation has proven this over the years pals.

[Nocsucow]

yep this is all ya need to know

[Nocsucow]

How is it broken? Just come and kill us. Easy solution. You lost at PvP, we win the dragon. It's simple.

80 people on, 40 tagged nihilum

server is wack and dead bro give it up

[Dacuk]

ho hum Feen you are right. lets pvp 15 people 50-60 against 40 people at 10 am on a workday. the nihi open door recruiting policy pretty much guarantees this won't happen.

this is what happens when a guild plays purely for themselves not also aiming to help promote server growth.

[Stasis01]

It doesn't have to be, give guilds other than the biggest and strongest a chance - rules are still broken, maybe GM's will take another look eventually.

Or Velious will just be the same shit, that's OK too I guess.

[Feen]

We had 6 people in sol b. You logged in 15 to 18. We started dropping you like flies. Not my fault you lost. Well, maybe it is my fault...

[Thrilla]

called this thread in TS earlier

[Stasis01]

You showed up with 38 to Solb at the exact time Naggy was about to spawn.

Left to start clearing Fear for the CT pop, and then we logged back on to try to force that group out. Heavy beef crew with good players and a soulfire paladin lasted long enough vs our 18 till more came in to back you guys up.

You were preclearing fear for the CT pop, while keeping on top of us at Nagafen.

Easymode much?

The fact that you have all the hardcorest neckbeard pro players isn't impressive - the ruleset makes it too easy for you guys.

[Stasis01]

When I left Nihi I was saying this message Thrilla, I said it while in the #1 guild to kringe and pals.

This box is broken, and I'll continue to point out examples of that fact, like today.

[heartbrand]

How is it broken? Just come and kill us. Easy solution. You lost at PvP, we win the dragon. It's simple.

And here is the same argument since day 1. No body can "pvp" you because you have the vast majority of the level 60 population who are willing to log on @ 10am EST on a work day to kill dragons once a week in a three hour span. There's no counter to this. There's not enough people to recruit, etc. Because there aren't enough pixels for the other side to get, people get burnt out / quit / app nihilum. It's a never ending cycle that makes the box uninteresting. I'm sure this will get 10,000 LOL U MAD HAHAH PVP US PLAY BETTER responses, shrug, w/e, I have my loot. I can get 85% BiS in Velious without ever touching foot in NToV. But is it going to be fun? Shrug, I don't think so. There's a lot of more compelling PVE games out there than EQ.

Doesn't really matter, the truth is, the devs don't care about this server, and most of the players don't either. People will zerg Velious, get full gear, and then quit forever, and this box will finally die. If I ran this box, I'd allow blue transfers/copies TODAY, I would enable 2 boxing for sub 50 chars, TODAY, I would keep static spawns but mix in a second 10 day complete variance pop with serverwide YT when the mob popped, remove OOC, likely completely shut down the red forums on this site, perma bans for rule violators based on their IP. I would launch this with a one month huge hype phase with bonus XP, classic drops back in the game during this time period. I would make a monthly GM event, maybe more often, where a random raid boss is popped with GM chosen teams to fight for the mob.

Dunno, all things to make this box exciting. Anyways, this thread is about to turn into 100 retti meme posts that I have blocked, a bunch of people from Nihilum saying how the server is great and tons of fun and to play better or something, Stasis and others making 100 QQ posts about the server, and the most important statistic: zero posts from devs.

I did the kill all raid mob bosses every week in a 3 hour window. I didn't find it that fun. It's weird, it becomes a "job" and you feel sub-consciously obligated to log in to do it, so I get the motive for people to continue doing so. It's like a second nature habit where you just "have" to log in even though you don't want to. One day though I took a three week break and realized I didn't have to anymore. It was pretty refreshing. I don't get the people that play here ultimately. Do you play with the three point sliders on max in NBA 2k also? That's what being in Nihilum is like. Ya it's fun to rain threes for a while, but eventually you realize "o man dis is pretty dum," and jack up the difficulty to superstar / hall of fame, and turn the sliders off. #RED99

edit: for all the people who talk about how velious will save the box, you can get 80% of the gear you need with 3 groups on off hours in the course of 2 weeks. people will get the gear, and quit, just like they did in Kunark. the only thing that can "Save" [i.e., 200+ pop with consttant clashes], is two+ viable guilds with consistent mass pvp. Velious won't bring that. It will bring pixels tho. I said this b4 Kunark also tho and no1 listened [although I was completely correct].

[tehruoh]

Wah variance Wah

[Not_Kazowi]

server is wack and dead bro give it up

Sad but true

[Stasis01]

Not QQ'n, I'll get my PVE fix on blue if I have to, just think this is too one sided (which is what I thought in Nihi too)

I don't need Nagafen loot, I don't need CT loot, I don't really care - I just think the entire process of how this is fought over, and how easy it is for the #1 guild ruins the box.

[HippoNipple]

If I ran this box, I'd allow blue transfers/copies TODAY, I would enable 2 boxing for sub 50 chars, TODAY, I would keep static spawns but mix in a second 10 day complete variance pop with serverwide YT when the mob popped, remove OOC, likely completely shut down the red forums on this site, perma bans for rule violators based on their IP. I would launch this with a one month huge hype phase with bonus XP, classic drops back in the game during this time period. I would make a monthly GM event, maybe more often, where a random raid boss is popped with GM chosen teams to fight for the mob.





This server sounds fun. When does it open?

[Kergan]

I think at this point Stasis making posts actually ensures nothing will ever get done. I imagine the staff at this point just completely ignores any threads he starts. It's like a kid waving his arms in the air and yelling "pay attention to me!" over and over...eventually you just ignore it.

HB, you have some good points. But I still would not call this server broken. Everything happening is because of the way EQ is designed. Every PVP server had a top guild dominating 90+ % of raid content. People only share when they have to, it's human nature. I appreciate your frustration, but in the end without changing the fundamentals of EQ the scales will always tip a direction and on a server where you can impose your will on another force it will lead to a single guild dominating.

Put it this way...if you took the entire 55+ population and randomly put them into two different guilds within 3 months the situation would be exactly how it is now. One side would gain an advantage, top players from the opposing side would start leaving and you'd have a dominate force crushing the inferior one into irrelevance. Servers with over 10 times our population had this same thing happen, it's a game design issue not a population issue.

[heartbrand]

The point is this is red. Theoretically, many of us chose this server because it's not a PvE server. I understand that this is not a crushbone war counterstrike elf simulator quest box. But that doesn't mean it should be 95% PVE 5% PVP. I understand the value in "locking" down pixels to deny your opponent an advantage in PVP. But at the same time, this HAS to be balanced with keeping a viable population. I get that there always be a "#1" guild with such a small server pop, but it shouldn't be only a one guild with nothing else. There has to be some sort of balance, be it 70/30 80/20. Right now it's 99/1. People on the other side aren't looking for all the pixels in the game handed to them. They are looking for "hope," i.e., "if we get lucky, I have a shot this week at item X." Some of the suggestions I provided give that hope, keep people engaged and willing to be an underdog. On this server, the reality, is "lol nope u aint gettin dat 0% shot", and that means people quit. That seems retarded to me. You can cry WoW or something all you want, but I'd rather a viable server with a thriving pop that has a little bit more of a distribution of pixels with some fighting over them, then a "hardcore" red99 like we have now. I wish I knew how to code, because I'm fairly confident if I did I could build a server that people would play on over this one. I could fund a shit load to it too.

If there are people out there who do know how to code, and want to build a classic-"style" [i.e., some compromises made but the essential "classic" spirit maintained], and want to make money for their contribution, hit me up in PM. I'm willing to fund this.

[Not_Kazowi]

Pras HB

Problem the server faces is that's nihilum is doing everything possible to stagnate the server. It's not bad enough y'all have bis characters and all raid mobs on lock down vampire times. Nihilum also keeps recruiting and taking players that we need to compete.

What's the point of playing this server or on a red one in general? Why do you guys see it a necessity to obliterate all and any competition. Nihilum still killing nagafen and vox is comical, like any of y'all even need that loot anymore.

I guess nihilum wants just one big guild on red99. Just make this sever blue and merge it and reopen a new red server.

[Stasis01]

The problem is you dedicate 0 time for mobs that you have no need killing.

It's far too easy to kill them, just to screw over any competitors.

People will only share when they have to, time commitment is one of the most obvious motivators.

[Dacuk]

Kergan while i disagree that this is what it would end up like in 3 months, even if you are right, those 3 months would be fun as fuck and pop would totally blow up.

now whats the point.. miserable grind to 60, app nihi and be a warm body... how is this a thriving pvp server?

[Stasis01]

And BTW HB has ran RD perectly. Fair loot system, chill mentality, good raid knowledge, geared main tank or geared cleric.

There is literally nothing someone can do that he has not done, high playtime etc.

No variance is broken.

[Elderan]

And here is the same argument since day 1. No body can "pvp" you because you have the vast majority of the level 60 population who are willing to log on @ 10am EST on a work day to kill dragons once a week in a three hour span. There's no counter to this. There's not enough people to recruit, etc. Because there aren't enough pixels for the other side to get, people get burnt out / quit / app nihilum. It's a never ending cycle that makes the box uninteresting. I'm sure this will get 10,000 LOL U MAD HAHAH PVP US PLAY BETTER responses, shrug, w/e, I have my loot. I can get 85% BiS in Velious without ever touching foot in NToV. But is it going to be fun? Shrug, I don't think so. There's a lot of more compelling PVE games out there than EQ.

Doesn't really matter, the truth is, the devs don't care about this server, and most of the players don't either. People will zerg Velious, get full gear, and then quit forever, and this box will finally die. If I ran this box, I'd allow blue transfers/copies TODAY, I would enable 2 boxing for sub 50 chars, TODAY, I would keep static spawns but mix in a second 10 day complete variance pop with serverwide YT when the mob popped, remove OOC, likely completely shut down the red forums on this site, perma bans for rule violators based on their IP. I would launch this with a one month huge hype phase with bonus XP, classic drops back in the game during this time period. I would make a monthly GM event, maybe more often, where a random raid boss is popped with GM chosen teams to fight for the mob.

Dunno, all things to make this box exciting. Anyways, this thread is about to turn into 100 retti meme posts that I have blocked, a bunch of people from Nihilum saying how the server is great and tons of fun and to play better or something, Stasis and others making 100 QQ posts about the server, and the most important statistic: zero posts from devs.

I did the kill all raid mob bosses every week in a 3 hour window. I didn't find it that fun. It's weird, it becomes a "job" and you feel sub-consciously obligated to log in to do it, so I get the motive for people to continue doing so. It's like a second nature habit where you just "have" to log in even though you don't want to. One day though I took a three week break and realized I didn't have to anymore. It was pretty refreshing. I don't get the people that play here ultimately. Do you play with the three point sliders on max in NBA 2k also? That's what being in Nihilum is like. Ya it's fun to rain threes for a while, but eventually you realize "o man dis is pretty dum," and jack up the difficulty to superstar / hall of fame, and turn the sliders off. #RED99

edit: for all the people who talk about how velious will save the box, you can get 80% of the gear you need with 3 groups on off hours in the course of 2 weeks. people will get the gear, and quit, just like they did in Kunark. the only thing that can "Save" [i.e., 200+ pop with consttant clashes], is two+ viable guilds with consistent mass pvp. Velious won't bring that. It will bring pixels tho. I said this b4 Kunark also tho and no1 listened [although I was completely correct].


HB you are so two face its funny.

You were telling everyone how you planned to recruit 150 people to zerg nihilum off the server. You have zero interest in "making this a better server" so don't even think about trying to spew that nonsense here.

You failed in your plan because your plan was failed just like I tried to tell you before.

[Dacuk]

the funny thing also is that you aren't doing it to "lock out the competition". for the most part as a result of this behavior, people either quit or join nihilum. so then how does banking that umpteenth trak bp or CoF help the server? it doesnt, just in the long run kills the pop.

[heartbrand]

I think at this point Stasis making posts actually ensures nothing will ever get done. I imagine the staff at this point just completely ignores any threads he starts. It's like a kid waving his arms in the air and yelling "pay attention to me!" over and over...eventually you just ignore it.

HB, you have some good points. But I still would not call this server broken. Everything happening is because of the way EQ is designed. Every PVP server had a top guild dominating 90+ % of raid content. People only share when they have to, it's human nature. I appreciate your frustration, but in the end without changing the fundamentals of EQ the scales will always tip a direction and on a server where you can impose your will on another force it will lead to a single guild dominating.

Put it this way...if you took the entire 55+ population and randomly put them into two different guilds within 3 months the situation would be exactly how it is now. One side would gain an advantage, top players from the opposing side would start leaving and you'd have a dominate force crushing the inferior one into irrelevance. Servers with over 10 times our population had this same thing happen, it's a game design issue not a population issue.

Could easily be fixed with monthly drafts / fight caps / three guilds, etc. There's plenty of options to make things fun. My frustration, if you want to call it that, is that the server just isn't a lot of fun, on EITHER team. I get there's people out there who really enjoy logging on once or twice a week and smashing auto attack. I did it too. I'll admit, it's kinda fun for the first couple months to just to rape everything with ease. You beat up on everyone else in mass pvp, and you start to feel real skilled and powerful. You feel like a legit badass in Nihilum, no doubt about it. Eventually though, as evident by the massive burnout in Nihilum, most people find it quite boring in the end and quit. While I don't think something as drastic and top down as drafts or what not need to be implemented, I don't see the harm in a couple of changes that give the CHANCE at more pixels to the other side. Again, people just want "hope," even if that "hope" is only a 10% chance at pixels rather than 1%, it's enough to make people engaged and interested in continuing to play. While I didn't play on RZ, I played on a blue server Xegony, we never got 100% of the mobs like this. I really do understand that there will always be a top dog in this game.

My only "complaint" is it needs to be more of an 85/15 90/10 proposition than a 99/1. In the end, like I stated prior, I can achieve 85% of everything I want in Velious with Red Dawn. But what I want more than that, is some fun PVP for that. Unfortunately, I'm not sold that the current "setup" of this server allows for that. However, perhaps with Velious being "it" for project 1999, you'll see people get geared, and leave their guilds and start making small pvp crews a la Dentists / Sharknado. Now THAT could be a shit load of fun. Unfortunately, that's prolly 1.5 years away.

I just want this server to be a bit more fun. I don't think we need to put in Variance, I'm ok with this being a 90/10 server. But I don't think 99/1 is healthy.

[Elderan]

And BTW HB has ran RD perectly. Fair loot system, chill mentality, good raid knowledge, geared main tank or geared cleric.

There is literally nothing someone can do that he has not done, high playtime etc.

No variance is broken.


This is where you are wrong. So many mistakes...

[Silent]

And here is the same argument since day 1. No body can "pvp" you because you have the vast majority of the level 60 population who are willing to log on @ 10am EST on a work day to kill dragons once a week in a three hour span. There's no counter to this. There's not enough people to recruit, etc. Because there aren't enough pixels for the other side to get, people get burnt out / quit / app nihilum. It's a never ending cycle that makes the box uninteresting. I'm sure this will get 10,000 LOL U MAD HAHAH PVP US PLAY BETTER responses, shrug, w/e, I have my loot. I can get 85% BiS in Velious without ever touching foot in NToV. But is it going to be fun? Shrug, I don't think so. There's a lot of more compelling PVE games out there than EQ.

Doesn't really matter, the truth is, the devs don't care about this server, and most of the players don't either. People will zerg Velious, get full gear, and then quit forever, and this box will finally die. If I ran this box, I'd allow blue transfers/copies TODAY, I would enable 2 boxing for sub 50 chars, TODAY, I would keep static spawns but mix in a second 10 day complete variance pop with serverwide YT when the mob popped, remove OOC, likely completely shut down the red forums on this site, perma bans for rule violators based on their IP. I would launch this with a one month huge hype phase with bonus XP, classic drops back in the game during this time period. I would make a monthly GM event, maybe more often, where a random raid boss is popped with GM chosen teams to fight for the mob.

Dunno, all things to make this box exciting. Anyways, this thread is about to turn into 100 retti meme posts that I have blocked, a bunch of people from Nihilum saying how the server is great and tons of fun and to play better or something, Stasis and others making 100 QQ posts about the server, and the most important statistic: zero posts from devs.

I did the kill all raid mob bosses every week in a 3 hour window. I didn't find it that fun. It's weird, it becomes a "job" and you feel sub-consciously obligated to log in to do it, so I get the motive for people to continue doing so. It's like a second nature habit where you just "have" to log in even though you don't want to. One day though I took a three week break and realized I didn't have to anymore. It was pretty refreshing. I don't get the people that play here ultimately. Do you play with the three point sliders on max in NBA 2k also? That's what being in Nihilum is like. Ya it's fun to rain threes for a while, but eventually you realize "o man dis is pretty dum," and jack up the difficulty to superstar / hall of fame, and turn the sliders off. #RED99

edit: for all the people who talk about how velious will save the box, you can get 80% of the gear you need with 3 groups on off hours in the course of 2 weeks. people will get the gear, and quit, just like they did in Kunark. the only thing that can "Save" [i.e., 200+ pop with consttant clashes], is two+ viable guilds with consistent mass pvp. Velious won't bring that. It will bring pixels tho. I said this b4 Kunark also tho and no1 listened [although I was completely correct].

TLDR;CHECKRAISE 85% SURROUNDED 18 RED DAWN TO ONE 6-8 NIHILUM AND RUNS AWAY TO PLUG

[Not_Kazowi]

We never really had this problem on VZTZ. It was a shameful thing to be a Zerg and I always kept heresy in its most efficient state possible. We wouldn't recruit unless we lost players and we for sure didn't kill every possible raid mob just to grief people from getting any pixels.

At one point on VZTZ we had 3 almost 4 top guilds competing. Shit was SO much fun, eventually it became 2 massive guilds that would fight but it was usually always an even playing field.

I don't see why that's not possible here? If nihilum would just recruit enough to get by then we would have another guild of equal geared players maybe.

After apping nihilum for 8 days, I clearly saw how bad that guild is for the server. There was no way I could hang.

Nihilum either wants a competitive server or they don't, and currently their actions lead me to believe they don't.

[Kergan]

You guys are completely delusional if you think the population would explode even if these changes were enabled. Where would these people come from? Do you think there are 200 people sitting here waiting on variance to be enabled so they can start a character?

Variance isn't going to do anything. The same people getting the loot now will get it with or without variance. It just baffles me why RD would even want it. You can't get a mob now when you can organize to contest it for literally a month if you wanted, and you think somehow that if it spawns randomly you'll be able to organize in time to do it? You're asking for this out of pure spite. You want to make it suck for Nihilum as much as possible since you can't do it with the means already implemented (PVP). The staff either A) doesn't care or B) sees right through your bullshit.

At least HB is being reasonable with his requests, asking not for Nihilum to be essentially punished for their domination but for another set of random repops on the raid targets. Last I checked variance was dramatically reduced on blue because it ruined the game for a lot of people. Why the fuck would they enable it here?

Maybe part of the reason Nihilum is unwilling to do anything is because your methods? If I remember correctly there was at least talk in the beginning of allowing RD to take some raid targets? Now its thread after thread asking the GMs to step in. What happens if they enable variance and it does absolutely nothing to change the situation (which is wouldn't)? Are you just going to start making posts to raid suspend Nihilum just so RD can have the shit uncontested? It's funny as shit to me really, you talk about how you want to compete and PVP but you want the GMs to put methods in place where you can stealth a mob without having to contest for it. All the PVP you could possibly want is right there for you. Sorry that the deck is stacked against you but you're taking a 3 month old guild that isn't even half filled with 60s, isn't even in full pre-kunark planar loot against a 2 year old guild knee deep in VP geared alts.

Velious is in a few months. Maybe work on getting your guild stocked with enough 60s with their spells to start contesting the extra 50 raid mobs that are about to get added. There are raid targets on 8 hour timers that drop near BiS loot. There will be plenty to get done and plenty of loot to keep members interested.

[Stasis01]

TLDR

[heartbrand]

I do not want variance. I want some changes which I believe make this server more of a 85/15 proposition, i.e., simulated repop or some of the other suggestions I proposed. I understand more than anyone that 95% of loot in Kunark becomes obsolete in Velious. It's more of a morale issue tbqh.

[Kergan]

We never really had this problem on VZTZ. It was a shameful thing to be a Zerg and I always kept heresy in its most efficient state possible. We wouldn't recruit unless we lost players and we for sure didn't kill every possible raid mob just to grief people from getting any pixels.

At one point on VZTZ we had 3 almost 4 top guilds competing. Shit was SO much fun, eventually it became 2 massive guilds that would fight but it was usually always an even playing field.

I don't see why that's not possible here? If nihilum would just recruit enough to get by then we would have another guild of equal geared players maybe.

After apping nihilum for 8 days, I clearly saw how bad that guild is for the server. There was no way I could hang.

Nihilum either wants a competitive server or they don't, and currently their actions lead me to believe they don't.

At least now you're asking the right questions to the right people. If you want things to change you're gonna have to take it up with the Duke not the staff.

[Dacuk]

You can't get a mob now when you can organize to contest it for literally a month if you wanted

hullo there, we do not have 40 people without jobs / night shift to organize to contest on weekday morning. nihilum obviously does. plain fact. open door recruiting policy ftw

[HippoNipple]

The problem is you dedicate 0 time for mobs that you have no need killing.

It's far too easy to kill them, just to screw over any competitors.

People will only share when they have to, time commitment is one of the most obvious motivators.

At the very least it should be fun messing with raids with faction. Other than that, server won't be much fun for those wanting competition and guild vs guild.

[Kergan]

I do not want variance. I want some changes which I believe make this server more of a 85/15 proposition, i.e., simulated repop or some of the other suggestions I proposed. I understand more than anyone that 95% of loot in Kunark becomes obsolete in Velious. It's more of a morale issue tbqh.

I think random repops a couple times a month is fine personally.

[Kergan]

hullo there, we do not have 40 people without jobs / night shift to organize to contest on weekday morning. nihilum obviously does. plain fact. open door recruiting policy ftw

Tough shit? I don't know what else to say.

[Dacuk]

Tough shit? I don't know what else to say.

hehe well obviously the true tough shit is for the jobless eq lifers ya know.

my point is stop preaching that its a matter of organization, when it just comes down to a numbers game on a weekday morning.

[Kergan]

hehe well obviously the true tough shit is for the jobless eq lifers ya know.

my point is stop preaching that its a matter of organization, when it just comes down to a numbers game on a weekday morning.

I learned long ago not to judge others, especially how they choose to spend their free time. To do so just makes you seem bitter and spiteful.

[Xantille]

numbers game on a weekday morning.

[Stasis01]

What I want to see is if these guys keep all this shit down + all of Velious, there might be some dead babies and shit.

[Vile]

theres a solution.. play rolfrom or w/e

[Twainz]

I went to half the raids this morning. I'm at work now :D.

BTW, Variance won't help you. 4 Dragons been up and you still haven't attempted to kill them.

[big mouth chew]

walls of text: if its not heartbrand its someone quoting heartbrand and replying 2 lines

stop the madness

p.s. didnt read thread, not gonna read thread

[bigshowtime]

theres a solution.. play rolfrom or w/e

red dawn already getting griefed off ralfron zek. good team, bad players

u kno?

[Stasis01]

What? We were followed to Naggy by 38 Nihi, what dragons we leaven up pal.

Or you mean you were aware they were up with raid force #'s on just planning out how you want to set up the timers.

[heartbrand]

red dawn already getting griefed off ralfron zek. good team, bad players

u kno?

What? Get in the Van dominating

[Nocsucow]

I went to half the raids this morning. I'm at work now :D.

BTW, Variance won't help you. 4 Dragons been up and you still haven't attempted to kill them.

dudes to worried about what he will get for backing a game instead of killing targets

[Twainz]

What? We were followed to Naggy by 38 Nihi, what dragons we leaven up pal.

Or you mean you were aware they were up with raid force #'s on just planning out how you want to set up the timers.

Gorenaire < Nihilum > been up for weeks pal. Variance going to help you kill Gorenaire?

[Pudge]

Stasis is right. We should have variance even just temporarily to shake things up a bit. Also, would force nihilum to actually keep players in-game to track spawns. And these players would constantly have pvp to compete for the "tracking rights".

GMs pls put in variance

[hagard]

r99 vs vztz players
r99: r99 is their job/life/income and they take the game+forums super seriously
vztz: just a bunch of pals playing a game for fun

[heartbrand]

Gorenaire < Nihilum > been up for weeks pal. Variance going to help you kill Gorenaire?

Because if we ever engaged Gorenaire there would be 50 people on top of us in 3 seconds. Also gorenaire drops shit.

[Not_Kazowi]

Stasis is right. We should have variance even just temporarily to shake things up a bit. Also, would force nihilum to actually keep players in-game to track spawns. And these players would constantly have pvp to compete for the "tracking rights".

GMs pls put in variance

[heartbrand]

FUCK VARIANCE
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[Stasis01]

Yeah nothen like taking a guild from planar trash to Gorenaire, good steps my man. PLENTY WILL SUCCEED.

[Twainz]

Stasis is right. We should have variance even just temporarily to shake things up a bit. Also, would force nihilum to actually keep players in-game to track spawns. And these players would constantly have pvp to compete for the "tracking rights".

GMs pls put in variance

Trust me, you don't want to see how terrible the batphones get on repop days. Variance sucks, thank god for the PnP and reducing blue variance.

[big mouth chew]

vztz: lotta talk + buncha homos
r99: buncha homos + emotions

[Not_Kazowi]

r99 vs vztz players
r99: r99 is their job/life/income and they take the game+forums super seriously
vztz: just a bunch of pals playing a game for fun

Pretty much this.

VZTZ no one was playing this game so hardcore or taking it so seriously. I just want this server to be as much fun as VZTZ was back in the day.

[hagard]

r99ers adjust work schedules around repops
HEH

[Twainz]

Because if we ever engaged Gorenaire there would be 50 people on top of us in 3 seconds. Also gorenaire drops shit.

Confirmed by Heartbrand. These items are shit. Put variance in so we can kill other mobs that drop similar loot.

Dragon Hero Bracer
Runed Bolster Belt
White Dragon Scales

[chu]

Pretty much this.

VZTZ no one was playing this game so hardcore or taking it so seriously. I just want this server to be as much fun as VZTZ was back in the day.

have you tried rerolling?
barbarian perhaps, i hear its +80% fun modifier

[heartbrand]

RBB can be had for 15k from 100 people currently. Dragon Hero Bracer is about to become a 1k item immediately upon the release of Velious with BoB / Blue Diamond Bracers / Class Bracers. Scales are worthless without trak guts.

[chu]

wtb white scales, dont worry i dont have trak guts so just give me free worthless scales

[Twainz]

Yeah nothen like taking a guild from planar trash to Gorenaire, good steps my man. PLENTY WILL SUCCEED.

You killed a VP mob didn't you? You guys have multiple people with VP gear. You have plenty of casters. Maybe if you guys put enough effort into preparing for Gorenaire as you did pushing variance, you might kill her. But for now, Gorenaire < Nihilum >.

[heartbrand]

I'd rather have Hiero cloak over a white dragon scale cloak. Give me 75hp over cold resist every fucking day of the week.

p.s.: all it takes is one bard doing dirge and it essentially crashes the zone. emumu admitted to this. it has been petitioned and flagged for nilbog to look @ for potential fix for over a month now with no response.

[Samuell]

Nihilum left one group in Sol B to pvp. By the time a second group of four more arrived the first group had already won the battle. So by "variance" Stasis apparently means absolutely uncontested content.

[Tubben]

Every PVP server had a top guild dominating 90+ % of raid content.

Well on VZ it was 2 guilds. Ancient Dawn vs Defiant and one tier below it was Zephyros & Aerist.

AD had constant battles for mobs vs Defiant, and both guilds were pretty good geared and got an fair share on mobs.

The way it is currently the argument "You can pvp us over an mob" is just nonsense, since RD wont win an mass pvp battle vs people way better geared with higher numbers then they have.

Some rules from blue could help here (like the guild ratings for raid mobs), or variable spawns so Nihilum dont exactly know when to bring the force to just splatter anything in their way.

It will burn people - not in Nihilum - out, just because loot is a part of Everquest, and not having a chance to get it will make people leave the server or not even starting on this server.

And everyone on this server wants more players.

[Stasis01]

Trust me, you don't want to see how terrible the batphones get on repop days. Variance sucks, thank god for the PnP and reducing blue variance.

You gave honest opinions outside Nihi, now you're just saying "It benefits me now that I'm in Nihi, fuck who cares about box/pop keep it so I have it better come Velious."

I FEEL YA BRUTHA

[Sektor]

You guys are completely delusional if you think the population would explode even if these changes were enabled. Where would these people come from? Do you think there are 200 people sitting here waiting on variance to be enabled so they can start a character?

Variance isn't going to do anything. The same people getting the loot now will get it with or without variance. It just baffles me why RD would even want it. You can't get a mob now when you can organize to contest it for literally a month if you wanted, and you think somehow that if it spawns randomly you'll be able to organize in time to do it? You're asking for this out of pure spite. You want to make it suck for Nihilum as much as possible since you can't do it with the means already implemented (PVP). The staff either A) doesn't care or B) sees right through your bullshit.

At least HB is being reasonable with his requests, asking not for Nihilum to be essentially punished for their domination but for another set of random repops on the raid targets. Last I checked variance was dramatically reduced on blue because it ruined the game for a lot of people. Why the fuck would they enable it here?

Maybe part of the reason Nihilum is unwilling to do anything is because your methods? If I remember correctly there was at least talk in the beginning of allowing RD to take some raid targets? Now its thread after thread asking the GMs to step in. What happens if they enable variance and it does absolutely nothing to change the situation (which is wouldn't)? Are you just going to start making posts to raid suspend Nihilum just so RD can have the shit uncontested? It's funny as shit to me really, you talk about how you want to compete and PVP but you want the GMs to put methods in place where you can stealth a mob without having to contest for it. All the PVP you could possibly want is right there for you. Sorry that the deck is stacked against you but you're taking a 3 month old guild that isn't even half filled with 60s, isn't even in full pre-kunark planar loot against a 2 year old guild knee deep in VP geared alts.

Velious is in a few months. Maybe work on getting your guild stocked with enough 60s with their spells to start contesting the extra 50 raid mobs that are about to get added. There are raid targets on 8 hour timers that drop near BiS loot. There will be plenty to get done and plenty of loot to keep members interested.

HB tried a different method where Red Dawn and Nilly were on friendly terms. I was in nilly during this. Nizzar wanted full control on how Red Dawn was. If any little thing happened nizzar would threaten them grief. This happened about 10 times in one month. Then nilly decided to go grief mode because Red Dawn took naggy one day. Nizzar is a tyrant and he benefits from his members greatly which is why he doesn't work. Its why he monopolies as many pixels as he can. This is not a game to him, its business.

[heartbrand]

Only people asking for variance are morans. Don't want variance. Want simulated repop.

p.s., that group you're talking about was level 51 nagafen alts. grats?

[Edgat]

We haven't had 38 at any kill today, also a group or 2 ported to CT/Ferrott so wasn't 38 at solb.

Also you camped from pvp...are you gonna camp from pvp if variance is put in?

Then you had 3 groups run from 1 group and called guild LnS then denied you called it and were caught back in the zone again in less than an hour

[heartbrand]

HB tried a different method where Red Dawn and Nilly were on friendly terms. I was in nilly during this. Nizzar wanted full control on how Red Dawn was. If any little thing happened nizzar would threaten them grief. This happened about 10 times in one month. Then nilly decided to go grief mode because Red Dawn took naggy one day. Nizzar is a tyrant and he benefits from his members greatly which is why he doesn't work. Its why he monopolies as many pixels as he can. This is not a game to him, its business.

Simulated repops solve about 99% of the problems with this server instantly. Literally the only argument is it "floods" the economy, as if a server with 200 azure robes and donal bp's needs to be worried about being "flooded."

[Sektor]

I went to half the raids this morning. I'm at work now :D.

BTW, Variance won't help you. 4 Dragons been up and you still haven't attempted to kill them.

were all at work. can't 7 man dragon's

[heartbrand]

Prolly only person I respect in this thread from the other side is Kergan. I don't agree with him a lot, but at least he tries to look at this as "impartial" as possible.

[Nirgon]

If they had to keep trackers on top of Naggy, and actually had to invest some sort of effort into getting him, as with all the 7 day timers, this box would be an environment that underdogs could actually compete in.

Ty for your time GM's.

All this does is make things suck more for Nihilum, or so you think.

The people you hate the most in Nihilum probably play the most (The Duke, Tune)... so they will benefit over the more reasonable human beings in the guild because they will get tracking DKP.

Seriously Stasis, get some data on the average times of day mobs spawned with variance in place. Here's a hint: you're at work or asleep most of the hours of the day... and this shit is truly random.

[heartbrand]

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[Mac Dretti]

LOL U MAD HAHAH PVP US PLAY BETTER

[Stasis01]

Nihilum left one group in Sol B to pvp. By the time a second group of four more arrived the first group had already won the battle. So by "variance" Stasis apparently means absolutely uncontested content.

Keeping entry level raids down with a small portion of your larger guild farming all the 7day timers is bad for server growth and multiple guilds.

Not hard to understand, with Velious around the corner it's a semi wipe, a lot of gear is useless, I wouldn't say it's a level playing field but it's the closest we'll come to one.

Need to make necessary changes with variance to give box a chance to a second/third guild.

[Twainz]

I feel like taking a picture of my TMO Batphone. Trakanon spawned on blue 20 minutes before I woke up to do VS on red. Also, Hoshkar spawned while I was on my way to work this morning.

[heartbrand]

Just want 2 make clear. I don't support Variance, I think it would be awful for Red Dawn, though I do think it would grief Nihilum which I guess might incidentally benefit Red Dawn? I support simulated repops tho, be it once a week, once every 10 days or once every two weeks or even if it was only once a month. I think that alone would shift this from a 99.9/.1 server to a 90/10 85/15 server where we would see more people willing to be the underdog, which means more people stick around, more players, and eventually more pvp.

[chu]

how many backpacks tho

[Mac Dretti]

My 80 man guild can only field list cut short at 6am pst

Need variance to contest

[Stasis01]

Don't worry, when you're through with them half that 80 will quit am i rite brutha.

[Stasis01]

New guild attracting people/new players/building them up? NO problem we know the spawn timers to come and shit on them with our neckbeard crew.

GM's will wake up someday!

[chu]

pvp on a pvp server??!?! what an outrage, ban them. also, immoral

[Tubben]

You guys are completely delusional if you think the population would explode even if these changes were enabled.

Who said explode? You use this word to exaggerate.


Variance isn't going to do anything. The same people getting the loot now will get it with or without variance. It just baffles me why RD would even want it. You can't get a mob now when you can organize to contest it for literally a month if you wanted, and you think somehow that if it spawns randomly you'll be able to organize in time to do it? You're asking for this out of pure spite. You want to make it suck for Nihilum as much as possible since you can't do it with the means already implemented (PVP). The staff either A) doesn't care or B) sees right through your bullshit.


Variance will do or can do something. Because

a.) Currently RD is not able to get enough people while 10 am est online on an workday, nihilum is somehow able to do this.

b.) even if RD would be able to do this, they cant compete 40 vs 40 just because of the gear difference between both guilds.

With Variance RD will atleast have the chance to snipe an mob because Nihilum is unprepared. Currently you are 100% prepared for the raidmobs, and with the geardifference no one do really have an chance vs nihilum.

And the last sentence of your, that they only want this to make Nihilum as sucky as possible is the sentence i really startet to laugh irl. You are just accustomed to be the guild who get all the loot, because however you did it, you get your guild online to a time, no one normaly play so you get the mobs uncontested.

And if you would really like to fight over the mobs, where is the problem if the mob do spawn to an different time where other guilds have more members online ? Chances that you win the pvp are big, simple because gear makes the difference.

But then your guildmembers DO have to be online to other times during the week. But i do undestand that you dont want this. You are just got used to not having any competition for mobs. Actually this makes you very blue.

I wish my english would be better ;P

[Mac Dretti]

Maybe spend more time leveling your 52s and less time complaining about YOUR guild members' motivation on forums

Oh and also publicly criticizing RDs and ex RDS in ooc u know

[heartbrand]

Again, I think variance is bad, repop good.

Repop = More mobs = more shots @ any mob = higher morale = more people come back who quit cuz no way to progress char = more people getting geared = higher chance of more evenly matched pvp = more fun

no repop = all mobs dead 3 hour = people quit = gear gap = no chance @ pvp = not fun

MATHAMENTS

[chu]

yes i agree with whatever the poster above me says, the server hasn't catered to red dawn's individual needs enough yet. need gm halp plz

[Rellapse36]

Chewie you n your guild gonna leave Guk in Velious?

[chu]

why the fuck would we, best zone in the game confirmed
come at me

[heartbrand]

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[Stasis01]

If only thousands of players were as stupid and content as Chewie to do nothing, pop would be thriving.

[Gaffin 7.0]

saying we never leave guk yet had RD plugged out in neriak for 2 hrs and killed 5 with 0 flowers death heheehe, 3 of them with epics

[big mouth chew]

chu
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bahaha ignore this one too, QUICK

[heartbrand]

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[big mouth chew]

its ok, you'll forget you said that & quote me by the weekend

[big mouth chew]

If only thousands of players were as stupid and content as Chewie to do nothing, pop would be thriving.

server with 1000s of chewie's would be thriving with a pop of 1
LastChewieStanding

[Mac Dretti]

Ya let's have more repops and more mobs and more loot and throw the balance of the time continuum cus that will solve the problem of unmotivated level 52s. math.

[runlvlzero]

I think you should lower the gear cap by deleting kunark off the box and letting people start fresh on naked level 1's with slow exp, make bards and druids an unlockable class only after you've leveled 3 chars to 50 and slain 10 dragons on each.

[Tassador]

From all the 9 to 5ers fuck yo mother fucking pixels!

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

I think you should all give up, server is the way it is because that's how nihilum wants it

time to take a hint.

[hagard]

Ya let's have more repops and more mobs and more loot and throw the balance of the time continuum cus that will solve the problem of unmotivated level 52s. math.

always soundin like a moran

[heartbrand]

Server is the way it is because Rogean doesn't really care about Red, for a variety of reasons, and unfortunately he is the final decision maker on all things Red. I wish this was a subscription based game so we could speak with our checkbooks, but it's not. P.S., this is why socialism sucks.

[Supermodel]

limited time blue xfer would be cool, but it aint gona happen

ps: maybe pledge i.e. 25 bucks, get one toon xfered from blue?

[big mouth chew]

exp bonus tho? just level fresh, shits too ez

[Ames who?]

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[Kergan]

Who said explode? You use this word to exaggerate.



Variance will do or can do something. Because

a.) Currently RD is not able to get enough people while 10 am est online on an workday, nihilum is somehow able to do this.

b.) even if RD would be able to do this, they cant compete 40 vs 40 just because of the gear difference between both guilds.

With Variance RD will atleast have the chance to snipe an mob because Nihilum is unprepared. Currently you are 100% prepared for the raidmobs, and with the geardifference no one do really have an chance vs nihilum.

And the last sentence of your, that they only want this to make Nihilum as sucky as possible is the sentence i really startet to laugh irl. You are just accustomed to be the guild who get all the loot, because however you did it, you get your guild online to a time, no one normaly play so you get the mobs uncontested.

And if you would really like to fight over the mobs, where is the problem if the mob do spawn to an different time where other guilds have more members online ? Chances that you win the pvp are big, simple because gear makes the difference.

But then your guildmembers DO have to be online to other times during the week. But i do undestand that you dont want this. You are just got used to not having any competition for mobs. Actually this makes you very blue.

I wish my english would be better ;P

So you want to shit up the entire raid scene, forcing people poopsock and do all sorts of shenanigans for the off chance that RD is able to mobilize a kill maybe a raid target a month? Then in your next post you'll say how this will attract new players somehow. I'm sure there will be dozens of people ready to line up for 8 hour poopsock level 1 ranger battles in SolB.

This flawed logic that somehow a raid target spawning randomly will lead to competition is baffling to me. You are perfectly able to contest every single raid target in the game now, you're just not ready yet. The truly laughable part is that you want variance so you have a shot to kill a raid target uncontested before Nihilum can mobilize yet you stick to this variance=competition bs.

[Gaffin 7.0]

poster above me is clueless, different spawn times isnt poopsocking retard

[heartbrand]

Any form of uncontested mobs lead to competition for a variety of reasons.

1) it boosts morale which means people are more likely to keep playing and not join nilly

2) it helps recruitment

3) provides gear that makes you stronger

All of these make it more likely that there will be a thriving competing guild

No competition means, bad morale, less members, less recruitment, less gear.

[Snufz]

So you want to shit up the entire raid scene, forcing people poopsock and do all sorts of shenanigans for the off chance that RD is able to mobilize a kill maybe a raid target a month? Then in your next post you'll say how this will attract new players somehow. I'm sure there will be dozens of people ready to line up for 8 hour poopsock level 1 ranger battles in SolB.

This flawed logic that somehow a raid target spawning randomly will lead to competition is baffling to me. You are perfectly able to contest every single raid target in the game now, you're just not ready yet. The truly laughable part is that you want variance so you have a shot to kill a raid target uncontested before Nihilum can mobilize yet you stick to this variance=competition bs.

not sure if Srs.

[Twainz]

From all the 9 to 5ers fuck yo mother fucking pixels!

I'm a 9-6er. Still getting pixels.

[Kergan]

poster above me is clueless, different spawn times isnt poopsocking retard

Not sure if serious or dum. Read what I quoted in my above post he was very clearly talking about variance which is exactly why you poopsock.

I've already said in this thread I wouldn't mind simulated patch days once or twice a month, not to add extra spawns but to alter when the repops happen during the day. Maybe for a few weeks its 3AM. Then the next few weeks its 2PM, the next month is at 9PM, whatever.

[big mouth chew]

hahahahha uncontested mobs lead to competition now, yaheard???

[Twainz]

Any form of uncontested mobs lead to competition for a variety of reasons.

1) it boosts morale which means people are more likely to keep playing and not join nilly

2) it helps recruitment

3) provides gear that makes you stronger

All of these make it more likely that there will be a thriving competing guild

No competition means, bad morale, less members, less recruitment, less gear.

But you already said the gear sucks off the dragons because Velious is coming. Why do you care if the gear sucks?

[heartbrand]

I'll let you try your reading comprehension again to figure that one out

[Kergan]

Any form of uncontested mobs lead to competition for a variety of reasons.

1) it boosts morale which means people are more likely to keep playing and not join nilly

2) it helps recruitment

3) provides gear that makes you stronger

All of these make it more likely that there will be a thriving competing guild

No competition means, bad morale, less members, less recruitment, less gear.

Well, you should be asking for uncontested raid mobs then right? Is that what you're asking for?

[Not_Kazowi]

Bottom line is nihilum doesn't have to take this shit so serious, leave a mob up and let us prepare for it. When you see us moving to slay the target, bat phone and come pvp. Would rather mass pvp and lose then to never see a mob up because it's slain while I'm getting ready for work in the morning.

No ones asking for freebies here, just make the sever more interesting please

[Sektor]

HB tried a different method where Red Dawn and Nilly were on friendly terms. I was in nilly during this. Nizzar wanted full control on how Red Dawn was. If any little thing happened nizzar would threaten them grief. This happened about 10 times in one month. Then nilly decided to go grief mode because Red Dawn took naggy one day. Nizzar is a tyrant and he benefits from his members greatly which is why he doesn't work. Its why he monopolies as many pixels as he can. This is not a game to him, its business.

[chu]

no1 asking for freebies, just please pick a raid encounter with desirable loots and leave it up for red dawn to kill uncontested lalals

[Not_Kazowi]

Damn chu you stupid? I never once said uncontested. I don't want uncontested, I don't care about pixels that much. Don't care if I ever see a piece of raid loot. Just want that mass pvp dawg

[big mouth chew]

how much preparation do you need for a 32k hp mob? you're a huge zerg!! leaving a mob up and asking to be allowed 'prepare' for it IS asking for an uncontested mob

red dawn members get more pathetic by the second, its getting hard to watch :/

[Snufz]

Chewie retarded.

People want raid mobs at non vampire hours, this has never happened in over 2 years and there is only a finite amount of poopsockers on the server and the vast majority are in nihilum.

Non vampire hour raid mobs would mean 10000x more competition then now, but it won't happen so who cares tbh.

[marie]

how much preparation do you need for a 32k hp mob? you're a huge zerg!! leaving a mob up and asking to be allowed 'prepare' for it IS asking for an uncontested mob

red dawn members get more pathetic by the second, its getting hard to watch :/
every single raid ive ever been to nihilum has had 10-20 more people than us. the only time we had more was in the dreadlands battle but that was red dawn / azrael / dentists / fair fighters vs nihilum.

and lets not forget, FOH is allied with nihilum : )

[Genedin]

When are you guys going to realize they really just don't give a fuck about R99 and either play what you have got or go do something else?

[heartbrand]

Oh I realize they don't give a fuck, believe me. That's why they won't be getting my donation to pantheon.

[Kergan]

Just cut a deal with the duke, become a Nihilum feeder guild and get uncontested shots at low end raid targets. :)

[Not_Kazowi]

Just cut a deal with the duke, become a Nihilum feeder guild and get uncontested shots at low end raid targets. :)

Lol wut

So you want the only other large guild on the server to become the feeder guild?

Y'all def don't want pvp. Might as well play on blue wtf

[Took]

Fuck variance, reset the box once a fucking month randomly.

[Kergan]

Lol wut

So you want the only other large guild on the server to become the feeder guild?

Y'all def don't want pvp. Might as well play on blue wtf

We could have sanctioned arena battles against one an other for guild bank loots wouldn't that be fun?

[heartbrand]

Of course it would, which is why it never will.

[Kergan]

Of course it would, which is why it never will.

I dunno, maybe it could? You'd have to cut a deal with the devil though and likely on his terms. Are you prepared to do that?

[Twainz]

Bottom line is nihilum doesn't have to take this shit so serious, leave a mob up and let us prepare for it. When you see us moving to slay the target, bat phone and come pvp. Would rather mass pvp and lose then to never see a mob up because it's slain while I'm getting ready for work in the morning.

No ones asking for freebies here, just make the sever more interesting please

Gorenaire is up Rexx. Prepare, kill, win?

[Twainz]

Chewie retarded.

People want raid mobs at non vampire hours, this has never happened in over 2 years and there is only a finite amount of poopsockers on the server and the vast majority are in nihilum.

Non vampire hour raid mobs would mean 10000x more competition then now, but it won't happen so who cares tbh.

Umm raids used to be on Thursday from 6pm EST to 10pm EST for most of the year I was in Nihilum.. you dumb?

[heartbrand]

No they weren't. They were mainly 3-6 est

[Genedin]

I would donate to a dev fixing the things these server needs fixing. Fuck some vaporware slated to release 10 years from now. Seriously though. Why can't that be an option. I can't imagine it would be that hard.

[Kergan]

No they weren't. They were mainly 3-6 est

Either way, not exactly vampire hours.

[Twainz]

No they weren't. They were mainly 3-6 est

Towards the end yea but most of the first year was like 5-6pm start times. That was when I had good RA.


BTW Stasis. Talendor just popped on Blue. Are you home and ready to kill it? Variance so good.

[heartbrand]

I could pull up a shit load of logs to show that you're full of b.s., but I guess there's really no point. Suffice it to say though, that's b.s.

[Liten]

If GMs like to give the opposition some free mobs they don't have to PvP for... Fine. Would have been a lot easier if you would just have avoided raiding with that special bunch of people you know nihilim hate. I know there was a lot of talk about letting you guys have dragons and you know that. Instead you got greedy and desided you wanted to fight us for trak right away.

This didn't work out and now you want GMs to give you mobs, at least be honest about it.

Oh and tubben, you need to study you VZ history. Only reason AD got mobs on VZ, was time zones. AD was euro and Defiant US. After prophets, defiant didn't have any competition at all primetime, we got all server first from velious to server merge(to zek)

[heartbrand]

If GMs like to give the opposition some free mobs they don't have to PvP for... Fine. Would have been a lot easier if you would just have avoided raiding with that special bunch of people you know nihilim hate. I know there was a lot of talk about letting you guys have dragons and you know that. Instead you got greedy and desided you wanted to fight us for trak right away.

This didn't work out and now you want GMs to give you mobs, at least be honest about it.

Oh and tubben, you need to study you VZ history. Only reason AD got mobs on VZ, was time zones. AD was euro and Defiant US. After prophets, defiant didn't have any competition at all primetime, we got all server first from velious to server merge(to zek)

Ironically, one of the people who we were told we weren't allowed to raid with was Twainz. Isn't he in your guild now?

[aborted]

Ironically, one of the people who we were told we weren't allowed to raid with was Twainz. Isn't he in your guild now?

idk why there is still such hatred towards each other, everyone has been in nihilum at some point, and everyone has had a spy in red dawn...

[Stasis01]

It isn't hatred, it's selfishness and control.

[BrobbVZ]

I know Vallon Zek very well and we beat Defiant VERY often... Liten you need to do some research bro.

[chu]

and lets not forget, FOH is allied with nihilum : )

news to me

duke, since we're allies hook ya favorite troll up with epic & b.e. legs plz :D

[marie]

http://puu.sh/6K5Lf.jpg

[Tubben]

So you want to shit up the entire raid scene, forcing people poopsock and do all sorts of shenanigans for the off chance that RD is able to mobilize a kill maybe a raid target a month?

Since 'entire raid scene' = Nihilum - Yes.

Not because of this, but to change it.

You even admit that RD is unable to get a shot on an raidmob, because you keep them down. If you need them or not.

[Tubben]

Oh and tubben, you need to study you VZ history. Only reason AD got mobs on VZ, was time zones. AD was euro and Defiant US. After prophets, defiant didn't have any competition at all primetime, we got all server first from velious to server merge(to zek)

Thats plainly wrong.

Defiant wished they got all server first, but thats simply not true. Could just ask yourself who entered PoTime first. And who got mostly Vex Thal ? Not Defiant. Yeah, you got your fair share on mobs, like we. Thats what i basically said. And yes, you didnt hat competition at your primetime, because Zephyros and Aerist had their heads in your ass ;P

We had no competition at our time, and won almost every mass pvp vs defiant.

Anyway. This doesent really matter anymore. I tried to say, that both guilds got their fair share on mobs. So it did work somehow, unlike on r99 where Nihilum get every mob.

And i dont really need to do my vz history, i was in AD since it was Ancient Orden.

[Smedy]

spineless fucks made the server like this, to much pride, to many exuses, i've seen it all

from "i wont play with agatha and lite" to "i was alone for 1 week bro i had no one to play with"

pixels > pals

[heartbrand]

spineless fucks made the server like this, to much pride, to many exuses, i've seen it all

from "i wont play with agatha and lite" to "i was alone for 1 week bro i had no one to play with"

pixels > pals

Best part is most of the people end up playing with the people they professed to hate / loathe.

[Mac Dretti]

pixels > pals

All my favorite eq pals still pals even if not in same guild w me. Still play other games. Still chat. Still skype.

You never gonna see me renig on an item I'm borrowing.

Feelers?

[HippoNipple]

All my favorite eq pals still pals even if not in same guild w me. Still play other games. Still chat. Still skype.

You never gonna see me renig on an item I'm borrowing.

Feelers?

Retti likes everyone but not even his own guild likes him. No one cares if you skype your mom bro, try to stay on topic.

[Liten]

Brobb, you beat Defiant? In AD? First of all, AD was made during luclin? even if we still contested velious. The second guild on Vz for at least the first 8-10 months of velious was Ancient Order, which was euro and allies with Defiant. After Prophets got beat/disbanded, there was no PvP at all, except against the dark team guilds, who were far far from contesting anything. X-teaming came later.

I'm not trying to brag about old shit, simply saying VZ had a topguild too. No other guilds got any PvE done we still needed in defiant. Whatever fights you might have won was on euro time, considering no other guild did ANY ToV or ST during the whole velious era, I fail to see how that was very different.

But yes, there was PvP and during kunark it was defiant being the underdog. But I'm sure one guild would have controlled everything if we had 2 years of kunark there too.

My research is solid brobb, considering I was there.

/bonuzz

[Smedy]

All my favorite eq pals still pals even if not in same guild w me. Still play other games. Still chat. Still skype.

You never gonna see me renig on an item I'm borrowing.

Feelers?

nothing was stolen, still awaiting payment for remix. as the eye is "nihilum" property and not twainz property (twainz said so himself) i will hold nihilum responsible and not twainz. the eye will be returned when nihilum has paid but i guess payment was the eye.

thanks, would not do business with again.

[aborted]

I know Vallon Zek very well and we beat Defiant VERY often... Liten you need to do some research bro.

Yeah i don't remember defiant being anything more than our bitches, Atleast while i played EQ.

Vexare, prophets, silent souls and there was one other but all small guilds banding together vs defiant and AO. Was fun times, though my experience back then was more for the pvp and less for the pve. Though wherever we went we rocked defiant, i never remember them being anything more than "well geared scrubs". Though i assume shortly after i left people got tired of not doing the big pve content so they joined defiant, kinda the same situation with Nihilum but Nihilum can hold its own in a fight.

[Smedy]

Bonuzz didnt you start on vallon zek rather late (you were not even max level when i started there late velious) and you went straight into defiant as you had rl friends in that guild and got boosted to the top.

Sorry to say pal, you did the exact same thing you did here, you joined the already established top guild, and did absolutely nothing to contribute to that fact.

Build something from the ground up, then talk

[Liten]

Thats plainly wrong.

Defiant wished they got all server first, but thats simply not true. Could just ask yourself who entered PoTime first. And who got mostly Vex Thal ? Not Defiant. Yeah, you got your fair share on mobs, like we. Thats what i basically said. And yes, you didnt hat competition at your primetime, because Zephyros and Aerist had their heads in your ass ;P

We had no competition at our time, and won almost every mass pvp vs defiant.

Anyway. This doesent really matter anymore. I tried to say, that both guilds got their fair share on mobs. So it did work somehow, unlike on r99 where Nihilum get every mob.

And i dont really need to do my vz history, i was in AD since it was Ancient Orden.

Honestly, you can't even be from VZ. PoTime?! You realise defiant was the first guild of any PvP server to beat the PoEarth event and enter time? Also the first guild to kill everything during velious/luclin/pop... AD did it well euro time, but stop making shit up.

[Mac Dretti]

nothing was stolen, still awaiting payment for remix. as the eye is "nihilum" property and not twainz property (twainz said so himself) i will hold nihilum responsible and not twainz. the eye will be returned when nihilum has paid but i guess payment was the eye.

thanks, would not do business with again.

Payment for what? Some 20 second sound clip of Lite crying in a voice mail about his precious elven staff?

Sure ok

[Tubben]

Brobb, you beat Defiant? In AD? First of all, AD was made during luclin? even if we still contested velious. The second guild on Vz for at least the first 8-10 months of velious was Ancient Order, which was euro and allies with Defiant. After Prophets got beat/disbanded, there was no PvP at all, except against the dark team guilds, who were far far from contesting anything. X-teaming came later.

Ancient Dawn was an result of an Guildmerge of Ancient Orden and Ebon Dawn. Before this we were Ancient Orden (not Ancient Order), and had to merge at some point because of numbers.

Ancient Orden was allied with Defiant while Kunark, thats true. After we started to regulary getting mobs Defiant wanted, we canceled this ;-) I remember the discussion we had about this.

After this there was war between Defiant and AO, but allways pretty friendly by the way. Same same vs Ebon Dawn.


I'm not trying to brag about old shit, simply saying VZ had a topguild too. No other guilds got any PvE done we still needed in defiant. Whatever fights you might have won was on euro time, considering no other guild did ANY ToV or ST during the whole velious era, I fail to see how that was very different.

Lol. Thats why we regulary had NToV and ST, util defiant decided at some point they had to kill the last warder.

[Agatha]

tldr, become less toxic, compete.

[Smedy]

Payment for what? Some 20 second sound clip of Lite crying in a voice mail about his precious elven staff?

Sure ok

unless youre retarded you would understand that it was a sample clip of the real thing (which was 2 minutes long). ofcourse i'm going to cover my back by releasing a "teaser" and collect the loot to then later release the full thing.

the full mix was heard by some people, now you can never hear it cuz nihilum was so fucking cheap they couldn't even muster up a ebon mace and a atramantous shield, true story.

[Liten]

Bonuzz didnt you start on vallon zek rather late (you were not even max level when i started there late velious) and you went straight into defiant as you had rl friends in that guild and got boosted to the top.

Sorry to say pal, you did the exact same thing you did here, you joined the already established top guild, and did absolutely nothing to contribute to that fact.

Build something from the ground up, then talk

Joined Vz around when kunark came out, played with elders of underfoot until I joined defiant, who was not the top guild at the time. But it's besides the point, I just wanted to show that we did have a very dominating topguild there, and denying that is silly.

[Smedy]

tldr, become less toxic, compete.

epic troll!

[Mac Dretti]

unless youre retarded you would understand that it was a sample clip of the real thing (which was 2 minutes long). ofcourse i'm going to cover my back by releasing a "teaser" and collect the loot to then later release the full thing.

the full mix was heard by some people, now you can never hear it cuz nihilum was so fucking cheap they couldn't even muster up a ebon mace and a atramantous shield, true story.

Maybe you should call Nizzars voice mail and tell him:

"Iiiiiiiii deserve it..."

"I iiiiiiiii earned it..."

[Smedy]

i got an eye, happy with the deal, worth more than the shit i asked for

and guess what...
































iiiii earned it.... iiii deserved it

[BrobbVZ]

Yeah I was there to Bonuzz, I remember slaying many a defiant and getting many top loots. I was in ebon dawn, merged with AO and made AD... I dont ever really remember losing any top fights.

[Tubben]

Honestly, you can't even be from VZ. PoTime?! You realise defiant was the first guild of any PvP server to beat the PoEarth event and enter time? Also the first guild to kill everything during velious/luclin/pop... AD did it well euro time, but stop making shit up.

AD Killed Coirnav first and entered PoTime. Coirnav was the last boss Defiant AND AD missed before entering Time.

We killed Coirnav on an guildmeeting in Stockholm, while several Defiants were in the same Internet Cafe.

I am from VZ, Bonuzz. I was in Die Ringtraeger, then in Ancient Orden and then in Ancient Dawn. I left VZ at the end of GoD, after AD was the first guild to beat Uqua at lv 65 (on vz), before Defiant was able to do it.

It seems your memories are a bit blurry. I remember you, a gnome necromancer named bonuzz. iirc atleast.

Tubben Hasenfuss <Ancient Dawn>

[Liten]

Well going to bed. Like I said before, AD was made during luclin...


And no the rathe consil or whatever it was called was the bottom neck for all PvP servers to get to PoTime.

[Tubben]

And no the rathe consil or whatever it was called was the bottom neck for all PvP servers to get to PoTime.

No it wasnt, we had Rathe down before Coirnav. Same for Defiant.

Yes, your memories are really a bit blurry :)

btw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iujNxg-4jKM

Making of Ancient Dawn : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1108550838439&set=o.6640948479&type=3&theater

And we merged with Ebon Dawn at the beginning of PoP iirc. But for me, that you need to understand, AO=AD. It makes no difference. Defiant was ahead of us at the beginning of Kunark. Then we took one Venril Sathir, Defiant wanted. Then there was only war left. But you couldnt stop us anymore. And yes, beeing in an different Timezone helped :)

[Smedy]

not sure how any of that matters tho, as luclin released everquest pretty much ended, pvp got stupid very quick

as far as i remember defiant had a stong rule on vallon until luclin +++ which at that point no one cares

[Silent]

What happened with this?

Here is the log from after pvp, Where fattire says it is for himself only. But I wasn't in zone so I don't have the rest of the logs to go with the conversations that were carried on in either shout/say or personal tells.

1min log snip from the start
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:11 2014] Fattire says out of character, 'LNS'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:21 2014] Willan says out of character, 'Is that LNS for your guild?'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:26 2014] Fattire says out of character, 'NO'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:30 2014] Fattire says out of character, 'FOR ME'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:30 2014] Nizzar says out of character, 'then fuck off'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:31 2014] Willan says out of character, 'then you cannot LNS'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:47 2014] Nizzar says out of character, '2 groups engagement, need guild LNS'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:54 2014] Dibandicus says out of character, 'all or nothing guild has to call it sorry'
[Tue Feb 04 11:00:56 2014] Elderan says out of character, 'cant ask for personal LNS when you are in guild vs guild pvp'
[Tue Feb 04 11:01:14 2014] Axiom says out of character, 'LnS'

[Tue Feb 04 11:52:27 2014] Zibby says out of character, 'either way red dawn is not calling LNS, no member has authorization to do so, if they do they are guild
removed'

This convo took place in between above logs, at 1145
http://i.imgur.com/m63uLdw.jpg

So I don't have the full picture here, Because despite public logs I have only showing him calling self LNS. Did you or did you guys not call a guild LNS or say it in tells to a opposition player/force in solb? Only reason you stopped being pk'd was because of this. And afaik(no proof to show how fortunate) an officer did call LNS from RD.

Can the real Leader/LNS caller please stand up. I am starting to see why all these pnp rules can be confusing when people start taking them to private tells instead of /ooc it because they don't want others to see it done for fear of weakness? who knowz

short version: tl;dr

[heartbrand]

I was on zibby and fitty.

[Not_Kazowi]

Gorenaire is up Rexx. Prepare, kill, win?

yeah bro gorenaire is always up for no reason you know

[Colgate]

fattire kicked from red dawn? guy was the only reason i did not shoot myself in the head listening to 50 people in teamspeak on multiple occasions

[Eslade]

GUYS!, THE GORGONS!

[heartbrand]

naw fattire not kicked from red dawn 8)

[Silent]

So you pretty much flat out lied to me in tells when you said all of that, Like you did using his LNS call and others(essentially everyone who died) to abuse the lns policy by deflecting(or purposely using) blame onto other members you can conveniently claim you guild removed for disobeying or calling LNS when they shouldn't have.

You have become better at Rule Lawyering (201)!

My low 50s planar geared enchanter rolls around in style, At least I thought he did.

http://i.imgur.com/KbMGHtH.jpg

[chu]

liars lying to liars

yup sounds like red99

[heartbrand]

ya I lied about booting him, wut u gonna do about it?

[HippoNipple]

http://i.imgur.com/KbMGHtH.jpg

You always take dumb ass screenshots every time someone wastes their time talking to you in game?

[Silent]

ya I lied about booting him, wut u gonna do about it?

Not a damn thing, I don't care tbh. But its great how you represent your family friendly guild that everyone gets along in and has no problems and a perfect DKP system where people just want to blow their DKP they have and bail while its worth anything :)

You always take dumb ass screenshots every time someone wastes their time talking to you in game?

Only when its someone I know I can post of and get either them or other people like yourself jimmys rustled hard like I just accomplished. Thanks for that ;)

[mikemandella]

Hey jupe, the staff asked us to talk bout simulated repops on my thread. Everyones feedback is good, but not a lot of perspective coming from anyone that isn't pro simulated repop.. mind stopping by and dropping some info?

Thanks

- Oppressor

[heartbrand]

Not a damn thing, I don't care tbh. But its great how you represent your family friendly guild that everyone gets along in and has no problems and a perfect DKP system where people just want to blow their DKP they have and bail while its worth anything :)



Only when its someone I know I can post of and get either them or other people like yourself jimmys rustled hard like I just accomplished. Thanks for that ;)

I'm sure people who leave do so because of the DKP system and not because one guild due to the reality of the server is able to lock down 95% of the content.

Fact: If people like Thrilla would leave they would stand to benefit long term more from the loot system employed by Red Dawn than Nihilum, and this goes for the majority of veteran members. The fact that those players don't want to make a "risky" move has no bearing on whether the system is viable or not [it is]. I used bid DKP in the top guild on Xegony for over 12 years.

[Silent]

Again heartbrand you are lost in the forums, I am saying nothing and everything about red dawn. If I ever make a real post about red dawn ill tag it 'serious'

[Stasis01]

Again heartbrand you are lost in the forums, I am saying nothing and everything about red dawn. If I ever make a real post about red dawn ill tag it 'serious'

Thx 4 clearing up.

[Silent]

yaw np m8

[Chronoburn]

Solution = training

[Exed]

Yea just dont understand. GMS comment on every thread except threads that actually imply ideas that will promote server growth and most important of all PVP. Getting ready to quit tbh if theres not more pvp. The week of the massive pvp in dreadlands was probably the most fun ive had on box in over two years. Sad that kind of pvp fun happened almost everyday on VZTZ. Maybe not on that big of a scale but the point is Nihilum disregards and is actually against any attempt to change this stagnant server of pixel farming. Shits getting old fast brews. QQ

[HippoNipple]

Only when its someone I know I can post of and get either them or other people like yourself jimmys rustled hard like I just accomplished. Thanks for that ;)

Made no sense, you are still a retard.

[HippoNipple]

To Oppressor, if you want to see some threads on variance just bump the countless threads from the last 3 months. It is out there. There is 0 reason to not have variance and the GMs even challenged Nihilum to come up with a reason against it. They failed.

In addition to variance making sense Elderan threatened to quit the server if he has to log in more than 3 hours to kill all raid dragons every week. Win/Win for everyone.

[Kaahbal]

Well going to bed. Like I said before, AD was made during luclin...


And no the rathe consil or whatever it was called was the bottom neck for all PvP servers to get to PoTime.

AD was made early PoP, not luclin.

[Silent]

Made no sense, you are still a retard.

u sound mad, why do I make no sense is it because you are bad or perhaps because you are....BADMADSAD.:eek::eek::cool:::confused::confu sed::p:p:p;);)

[Zoolander]

iam for limited time blue xfers, just combine it with the current pledging of phanteon and its a win win win situation for all sides

[Mac Dretti]

iam for limited time blue xfers, just combine it with the current pledging of phanteon and its a win win win situation for all sides

[Smedy]

what makes you think nizzar wont recruit incoming neckbears from blue?

the box issues cannot be solved by rules and regulations, its the players.

[Clark]

No variance does not allow for competition, even years after the box was released Nagafen is still easily killed with a time commitment of about 30 mins out of a week.

If GM's do not address the static timer and how easymode this box is for the #1 guild it will continue to stay low pop and uninteresting/boring.

We have years of experience with Red99, we know it doesn't work - one guild has kept all mobs down the entire time, it's too easy.

It isn't even a debate anymore, this is broken.

[Tassador]

what makes you think nizzar wont recruit incoming neckbears from blue?

the box issues cannot be solved by rules and regulations, its the players.

Words of truth right here. Too bad the players are filthy toxic scum. It's thunderdome with nerds.

[Zoolander]

what makes you think nizzar wont recruit incoming neckbears from blue?

the box issues cannot be solved by rules and regulations, its the players.

if a are even helpless to recruit new players then I don't know what else to say .....

[Smedy]

well, exactly.

it's a player issue, if players are so weak minded that they leave it "to the rest" to fix the server and mindlessly fall into the pixel loot queue that is called nihilum there wont be any server to play on soon enough

[Rallyd]

Why can't 2nd and 3rd guilds just be ok with the fact that they might not get bosses until velious?

Get over it and we'll see you in Thurgadin.

[marie]

Why can't 2nd and 3rd guilds just be ok with the fact that they might not get bosses until velious?

Get over it and we'll see you in Thurgadin.

http://puu.sh/6KQE3.jpg

http://puu.sh/6K5Lf.jpg

[Holey]

It is too one sided, much like any server in EQ history to take on the #1 spot head on.
.

yet you were in the guild at somepoint?:confused::confused:

Lmfao ^

[HippoNipple]

yet you were in the guild at somepoint?:confused::confused:

Lmfao ^

Not everyone sees the light in the beginning. A sin that can only be repented through the destruction of blubie maggots.

[Took]

http://puu.sh/6KQE3.jpg


loled irl

[Holey]

:D:DNot everyone sees the light in the beginning. A sin that can only be repented through the destruction of blubie maggots.

he wasnt near nilly even near the begining, lol.
its funny though.:D

[fiegi 8.0]

only a few strong minded folks like myself have not been persuaded by the pixel lust/packages

[HippoNipple]

:D:D

he wasnt near nilly even near the begining, lol.
its funny though.:D

Don't you speak of times before your existence on this box.

[Holey]

Don't you speak of times before your existence on this box.

mad because i know history of this box?
how the "resistance" had this box at a point?
but yet couldnt work together?
Lmfao.

[Not_Kazowi]

Why can't 2nd and 3rd guilds just be ok with the fact that they might not get bosses until velious?

Get over it and we'll see you in Thurgadin.

Was a nobody on the real pvp server, now a somebody on the blue pvp server.

Watch out bros

[Mac Dretti]

Was a nobody on the real pvp server, now a somebody on the blue pvp server.

Watch out bros

were you a somebody?

[Holey]

Was a nobody on the real pvp server, now a somebody on the blue pvp server.

Watch out bros

hows your reroll going bro?
more immersed than us LOL

[Not_Kazowi]

were you a somebody?

Yeah son, big Rexx for a reason. Unfortunate this box is in sharp contrast to the highly competitive PVP infused box that VZTZ was.

Inb4 don't care VZTZ was years ago

Inb4 you're a nobody here

Inb4 random gif

[Not_Kazowi]

hows your reroll going bro?
more immersed than us LOL

Explain to me how rerolling my character to a race I prefer is being massively "immersed"? Don't get me wrong, I've been laying a lot lately, but most you bros been playing this much for multiple years :/

Still not understanding how me rerolling is an insult, I'm having fun :))))))

[HippoNipple]

mad because i know history of this box?
how the "resistance" had this box at a point?
but yet couldnt work together?
Lmfao.

There wasn't a resistance at that time. Holocaust was known as the bad guys because they pked everyone. Then they got banned and quit. Shortly after people realized having the number 1 guild that hides in the darkness for 3 years downing raid content at 6 am was way worse.

[heartbrand]

holocaust won this box 3 yrs ago

[Snufz]

Say goodnight to da Badguy.

[tehruoh]

Vampire hour repops are fucking gay and stupid as hell. Shit needs to change somehow.

Variance can suck my dick though, wtb simulated bi weekly repops

[krazyGlue]

I think this is the first thread that nihilum has ever agreed to any type of
Variance /
Repop days

[Jenni D]

Roll on red
Level up under radar
Join nilly
Forumquest

[Twainz]

Not everyone sees the light in the beginning. A sin that can only be repented through the destruction of blubie maggots.

Aren't you the guy that just solos PvE mobs and doesn't come to any PvP battle? Yea, thought so.

[big mouth chew]

Aren't you the guy that just solos PvE mobs and doesn't come to any PvP battle? Yea, thought so.

lol dont forget bout the times he gives up the PvE to just camp out (both toons he's boxing) when an opponent zones in :/

[HippoNipple]

lol dont forget bout the times he gives up the PvE to just camp out (both toons he's boxing) when an opponent zones in :/

I haunt your dreams. You think I"m every player you come across in game. Last time I saw you I made you plug after you got the jump on me and being 5-7 levels under you. Talk big on here though bro.

[HippoNipple]

Aren't you the guy that just solos PvE mobs and doesn't come to any PvP battle? Yea, thought so.

Don't know what your talking about.

[Yagebasto]

only a few strong minded folks like myself have not been persuaded by the pixel lust/packages

naw, just drugs

[Yagebasto]

Yeah son, big Rexx for a reason. Unfortunate this box is in sharp contrast to the highly competitive PVP infused box that VZTZ was.

Inb4 don't care VZTZ was years ago

Inb4 you're a nobody here

Inb4 random gif

thought your whole big claim was to be the king of the PVE... apparently not

[Smedy]

Roll on red
Level up under radar
Join nilly
Forumquest

[heartbrand]

Roll on red
Level up under radar
Join nilly
Forumquest

[Not_Kazowi]

thought your whole big claim was to be the king of the PVE... apparently not

Nah dawg that's you gettin trolled by smedys production vids

[Mac Dretti]

Ya judging by smedy videos ur a cry baby that is awful at pvp

Such a stretch from reality

[Not_Kazowi]

Ya judging by smedy videos ur a cry baby that is awful at pvp

Such a stretch from reality

u talkin about a server u have 0 clue about is lul


i was hailed on that server hence all the videos made about big rexx. swedes comin at me from all angles for some YT nawmean?

big rexx yt was p big deal

[Mac Dretti]

O u were a big deal on a server w no hack detection bad code and broken mechanics

Cool

[Not_Kazowi]

O u were a big deal on a server w no hack detection bad code and broken mechanics

Cool

thx 4 proven my point, u got no clue son. carry on

[Mac Dretti]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/76267dacff63f27ba2d199683abd9b89/tumblr_mysl88pJBz1smcbm7o1_500.gif

[Mac Dretti]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/109007_700b.jpg

[Mac Dretti]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gzFYVQyDkC8/T7PjnDQbs6I/AAAAAAAAGQA/K5GNc7y-4oo/s1600/please-tell-me-more-cats-kitten-kitty-pic-picture-funny-lolcat-cute-fun-lovely-photo-images.png

[Gaffin 7.0]

lol

[Not_Kazowi]

Inb4 don't care VZTZ was years ago

Inb4 you're a nobody here

Inb4 random gif

[Mac Dretti]

http://woofraise.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/no-way-tell-me-more.jpg

[Tubben]

ancient dawn or ascending dawn?

Ancient Orden merged with Ebon Dawn at the beginning of PoP -> Ancient Dawn.

[Flipmode]

VZTZ #1

[Rallyd]

thx 4 proven my point, u got no clue son. carry on

Rexx was king of the oxycontin on vztz. That is all.

[Not_Kazowi]

Rexx was king of the oxycontin on vztz. That is all.

mad

[Rallyd]

mad

Sad.
Bad.

[Not_Kazowi]

Sad.
Bad.

If only your words meant something to me

Non factor then and now :)

[Vile]

whenever i see 'rallyd' i just think of 'fat'

[Mac Dretti]

http://cdn.cutestpaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/l-Tell-me-more.jpg

[Silent]

http://puu.sh/6K5Lf.jpg




Thanks for the 2 shield of the water dragons that we "Didn't need" that went to mains.