GM Harassing me

[Helro]

I'm in OOT and I start fighting a guy in pvp. I nully him and sick my pet on him...
Ok I die and go afk and get killed in the same spot by the pvper for 20 minutes. Then Derubael comes in and tells me to LnS or camp in 1 hour or else pretty much.

All I am telling Derubael the whole time is ive read the rules and I can stand in one spot and do nothing if i want too right?

5 minutes later I am suspended.

My corpse is no where near me, im at 0 mana and no food or drink to even greif the guy... im just standing there

Is going AFK illegal after you get pvped??

[mitic]

not sure if srs

[Derubael]

remember that time you made a big deal about being suspended for two boxing and exploiting, and we all knew you were twoboxing and exploiting, but you lied about it for like 3 months anyway?

this is kind of like that, only more stupid.

[Helro]

So you hate on me and bann me for standing in one spot?

[Derubael]

ima go watch the superbowl now

[Sun Feb 02 15:11:16 2014] You told Earth, 'and you can't afk at character select?'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:38 2014] Earth tells you, 'nope i like to sit here and let people waste there time if they wont let me do what i want in the zone, its funner that way'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:50 2014] Earth tells you, 'when people waste there time, in the end im not the one losing'

I already knew this is what you were doing, and it's pretty much the definition of griefing. part of PnP is to not be a dick, even if its not explicitly stated in the rules. i gave you the option to leave, and you argued instead, so you've got a 4 hr suspension to enjoy.

btw denver safety on first play holy shit.

[Helro]

ima go watch the superbowl now

[Sun Feb 02 15:11:16 2014] You told Earth, 'and you can't afk at character select?'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:38 2014] Earth tells you, 'nope i like to sit here and let people waste there time if they wont let me do what i want in the zone, its funner that way'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:50 2014] Earth tells you, 'when people waste there time, in the end im not the one losing'

I already knew this is what you were doing, and it's pretty much the definition of griefing. part of PnP is to not be a dick, even if its not explicitly stated in the rules. i gave you the option to leave, and you argued instead, so you've got a 4 hr suspension to enjoy.

btw denver safety on first play holy shit.

Safety was great watching the same thing


But you told me to leave in 1 hour and i was trying to ask you clearly what rule i was breaking not even moving my character. 5 minutes later you suspend me???

[Gaffin 7.0]

gm's love to bring your past into their future decisions, once you do something wrong they ignore and frown upon you for the rest of your eq career

[Mac Dretti]

Tbh if he wants to afk at his bind and not call lns that's his choice he's not harming anyone right?

[Helro]

Is harassment just commonly acceptable? I mean do i have to donate or something

[Derubael]

Problem was he wasn't just afking, was waiting for the player to walk away and engage mobs, then trying to fuck with him.

if he was just afk for a few hours i would give 0 fucks.

[Gaffin 7.0]

unbanning people 2 boxing and exploiting but wont unban first offense account with mq2 flag 3 years ago, sounds legit

[Mac Dretti]

Ah got it. A fair and just punishment Derubael. So nice to see timeouts over b&s. Feels real nice.

[Helro]

So you assume I was afk for something like that.

First of off why do you suspend people off assuming something that I was going to do.

And 2 even if i WANTED too.. I have 0 food, 0 water, 0 mana and corpse is on other side of the island how will i mess with anyone? and im just standing there for 20 minutes afk getting killed over and over..


If i was doing what you said...

Run to my corpse - 5 min
Loot corpse and run to safe spot - 5 min
med up for pet and buffs - 10 min
Med up to full and pvp - 15 min


30 minutes if i was trying to do that... just admit your harassing me

[Mac Dretti]

Derubael may I recommend a tldr gif?

[Tradesonred]

ima go watch the superbowl now

[Sun Feb 02 15:11:16 2014] You told Earth, 'and you can't afk at character select?'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:38 2014] Earth tells you, 'nope i like to sit here and let people waste there time if they wont let me do what i want in the zone, its funner that way'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:50 2014] Earth tells you, 'when people waste there time, in the end im not the one losing'

I already knew this is what you were doing, and it's pretty much the definition of griefing. part of PnP is to not be a dick, even if its not explicitly stated in the rules. i gave you the option to leave, and you argued instead, so you've got a 4 hr suspension to enjoy.

btw denver safety on first play holy shit.

I think this is a better way to GM than hiding behind a wall of secrecy. Everyone can see that guy was breakin server rules. Still think PnP is really bad though.

[Mac Dretti]

Naw current pnp good it does what it's made for and doesn't let fakers bait

[Heywood]

Derubael may I recommend a tldr gif?

http://i.imgur.com/kXjdf.gif

[Derubael]

thx for didn't read gif.

go hawks.

[AmukTZ]

I thought in small scale pvp you don't have to lns?

[Loto]

I thought in small scale pvp you don't have to lns?

If it was simply "he's choosing not to LnS" then yea, no big deal.

But if you sit at your corpse, taunting in shout and poking at the people hunting next to your body, only to get killed and then start all over again for hours, it's called griefing.

Earth (character name) is just trying to stir shit up, and the GMs called him out on it.

[Darksinga]

Just watch the superbowl and when u come back your unbanned (4 hr suspension he said.) Instead you waste your time arguing with a GM.

[AmukTZ]

But according to the rules he can try and get to his body and attack again over and over...what's difference here?

[Bardalicious]

Who will keep the entrance to KC safe if Earth is bant?!

[Bazia]

You got unbanned for boxing and now you're complaining about a 4 hour suspension.

Confirmed retarded.

[Derubael]

But according to the rules he can try and get to his body and attack again over and over...what's difference here?

I think there's a significant difference between fighting to get your body back/gain zone control, and sitting nearby someone xp'ing after they have killed you and jumping them/screwing with their pulls/etc everytime they walk away. One is PvP, the other is just trying to screw with someones play experience in a negative way, forcing them to bind camp you.

That's my viewpoint at least, and I won't speak for Sirken but I'm 99% sure it's his as well. Not sure how the community feels about it, but I think most people would agree this isn't a 'tactic' so much as it is just being a sore loser.

[Pitborn]

It takes a special kind of tard to get banned and suspended here.

[Rellapse36]

So are you calling all the officers/leaders and 50% of Nihilum player base tards?

[dre]

ima go watch the superbowl now

[Sun Feb 02 15:11:16 2014] You told Earth, 'and you can't afk at character select?'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:38 2014] Earth tells you, 'nope i like to sit here and let people waste there time if they wont let me do what i want in the zone, its funner that way'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:50 2014] Earth tells you, 'when people waste there time, in the end im not the one losing'

I already knew this is what you were doing, and it's pretty much the definition of griefing. part of PnP is to not be a dick, even if its not explicitly stated in the rules. i gave you the option to leave, and you argued instead, so you've got a 4 hr suspension to enjoy.

btw denver safety on first play holy shit.

You suspended someone for standing in one spot

Good one

[dre]

I think there's a significant difference between fighting to get your body back/gain zone control, and sitting nearby someone xp'ing after they have killed you and jumping them/screwing with their pulls/etc everytime they walk away. One is PvP, the other is just trying to screw with someones play experience in a negative way, forcing them to bind camp you.

That's my viewpoint at least, and I won't speak for Sirken but I'm 99% sure it's his as well. Not sure how the community feels about it, but I think most people would agree this isn't a 'tactic' so much as it is just being a sore loser.

How about you retards stop playing cops and robbers and let people play the goddamn game without your rule judging.

You cant police the server and you are a moron for thinking you can

[AmukTZ]

Thanks for clarifying. I agree with you Der.

[Telron]

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[Yagebasto]

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[uniqueuser]

[Sun Feb 02 15:11:38 2014] Earth tells you, 'nope i like to sit here and let people waste there time if they wont let me do what i want in the zone, its funner that way'Exp loss (slight as it was) on pvp death limited this sort of behavior.

But that was removed, instead of simply making pvp corpses eligible for exp restoration and giving them a normal or even extended rez timer.

A purchasable summon corpse potion, similar to those on SZ, and the necro/sk summon corpse line could've been modified to summon pvp corpses across zones, as a last resort to escape even the most egregious corpse-camping without requiring staff intervention.

[Clark]

Problem was he wasn't just afking, was waiting for the player to walk away and engage mobs, then trying to fuck with him.

if he was just afk for a few hours i would give 0 fucks.

[Tradesonred]

Exp loss (slight as it was) on pvp death limited this sort of behavior.

But that was removed, instead of simply making pvp corpses eligible for exp restoration and giving them a normal or even extended rez timer.

A purchasable summon corpse potion, similar to those on SZ, and the necro/sk summon corpse line could've been modified to summon pvp corpses across zones, as a last resort to escape even the most egregious corpse-camping without requiring staff intervention.

I was the main player lobbying for xp loss removal but a 5-10% xp loss in pvp of what the original amount was is miles away better than this ridiculous PnP shit.

Ill give an example of the things that could happen on Rallos that was fun that will get you banned here.

1) Some guy finds my bind near Unrest and proceeds to bind camp me for 15 minutes straight. I taunt him once in a while in /say waiting for him to get bored, reading the news or whatever. He finally gets bored, and sends my wizard a tell that he will stop if i port him to Eastern commons. I say sure.

2) I port him in dreadlands at 2am with nobody in the zone, he kills me one last time, i laugh at him one last time, lulz all around.

Now here 1) will get you banned, and i think 2) will get you banned as well but i do not care to pass my PnP bar so i dont even know for sure.

TLDR: PnP is a lazy, lazy way to dev/GM a PVP server. It really shows the interest the devs have on putting in time for the server. I mean maybe they have RL commitments that makes it impossible for them to put time in, but the fact that they could just start a thread with people giving them feedback on whats wrong and get all their answers on a silver platter kinda negates the "Dont have time to log on red for 10mins" angle

[Nirgon]

Nice try el blanc nino but your ass got sacked

[Tassador]

I thought Bruno Mars was white and terrible until yesterday. Go Seahawks!~!~!~!

[Tubben]

Even if you did nothing wrong (imho), if an gm tells you to gtfo you should do it asap and stop arguing with him.

[Helro]

Just woke up

I'm just concerned that I am being picked on. I have read the rules clearly.

I am allowed to sit in 1 spot and go afk.

I was not harassing anybody.

While I was asking a GM what I was doing wrong, I got suspended.

Can we have more specific rules? Just in case maybe like pressing the "w" key to move forward is suspendable tomorrow?

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

not sure why you would unban someone who knowingly broke rules and lied about it.

then he breaks more.

[Loto]

[Sun Feb 02 15:11:38 2014] Earth tells you, 'nope i like to sit here and let people waste there time if they wont let me do what i want in the zone, its funner that way'
[Sun Feb 02 15:11:50 2014] Earth tells you, 'when people waste there time, in the end im not the one losing'

Shut up and get out. Stop saying you were afk. You are literally asking to get banned.

[Fame]

Read thread.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5336/7074650145_a0bc0071e2.jpg

[Tradesonred]

You should give this guy an extra 2 weeks for wasting GM time and playing dumb.

I try to be as objective as i can be and view the server as if i was a dev, what would be my opinion on things if i was a dev.

That guy is just wasting GM time and being childish. Put him in a corner so he can think about what hes done.

[SamwiseRed]

Gm called me peck whivh is a racial slur against halflings.

[Tradesonred]

Gm called me peck whivh is a racial slur against halflings.

lol

Out of the way, Peck!

[SamwiseRed]

Lotta racists here

[Sirken]

Gm called me peck.

confirmed true

[SamwiseRed]

confirmed true

Thatsracist.gif

[joevz]

Whats so hard for the staff on this server to understand about non-interference. Did you guys even play Everquest? A GM had no business even involving themselves in what a player was doing unless it was an extreme situation where a player was denying another player for actually playing the game. This was plainly not a situation in need of policing, nor did the details of this players past issues need to be made public knowledge.

No wonder this server is averaging 50 players online lately.

[Tradesonred]

Whats so hard for the staff on this server to understand about non-interference. Did you guys even play Everquest? A GM had no business even involving themselves in what a player was doing unless it was an extreme situation where a player was denying another player for actually playing the game. This was plainly not a situation in need of policing, nor did the details of this players past issues need to be made public knowledge.

No wonder this server is averaging 50 players online lately.

Thats the nature of PnP. I totally agree with you that PnP sucks but if you know the server doesnt allow corpse camping, and you go and do it then dont go crying on the forums about it when you get sanctions for doing it.

[Derubael]

He made the details public knowledge back in November. I wouldn't release details of a players past violations unless they had already done so.

Box has gone without staff intervention for 2 years and look at the population. We let the players police themselves and the server, and that failed. Now that we are getting involved its actually going up. It may be too little too late, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to try.

Earth was forcing someone to bind camp him in order to continue playing. IE, denying another player the ability to play. It got excessive, so I asked him to scoot.

Please stay up to date before you make posts telling us we are wrong about something. It remains to be seen if us getting more involved in the server will have long lasting benefits, but as of right now, population has gone up with the release of PnP.

[Sektor]

He made the details public knowledge back in November. I wouldn't release details of a players past violations unless they had already done so.

Box has gone without staff intervention for 2 years and look at the population. We let the players police themselves and the server, and that failed. Now that we are getting involved its actually going up. It may be too little too late, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to try.

Earth was forcing someone to bind camp him in order to continue playing. IE, denying another player the ability to play. It got excessive, so I asked him to scoot.

Please stay up to date before you make posts telling us we are wrong about something. It remains to be seen if us getting more involved in the server will have long lasting benefits, but as of right now, population has gone up with the release of PnP.

hail that!

[Tradesonred]

Box has gone without staff intervention for 2 years and look at the population. We let the players police themselves and the server, and that failed. Now that we are getting involved its actually going up. It may be too little too late, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to try.


You guys have got it all wrong. You need to open your eyes.

What killed the box population was first xp loss in pvp, which favored zergs. Specifically, the Holocaust Zerg that explicitely said it was using xp loss in pvp to grief people off the box. That was the first wave of depopulation.

The 2nd wave of population bleed was when Nihilum beat Holocaust at its own game and zerged them out. Now Nihilum was the top dog strictly from the amount of players in their zerg. If you tried to guerilla challenge them, it would never amount to nothing much because as soon as a couple of players ate xp loss, the numbers dwindled fast in a chain reaction of giving up. This was all explained multiple times to devs on the forums. I know this because i tried to organize and motivate people to challenge Nihilum. I was there, i saw all this in motion.

The status Quo then became either join Nihilum, or dont do content for 1 year +

Its one of those fallacies. Youve got the conclusion right (box depopulated) but you got the cause wrong.

PnP is the wrong solution to a misdiagnosed problem

[HippoNipple]

You guys have got it all wrong. You need to open your eyes.

What killed the box population was first xp loss in pvp, which favored zergs. Specifically, the Holocaust Zerg that explicitely said it was using xp loss in pvp to grief people off the box. That was the first wave of depopulation.

The 2nd wave of population bleed was when Nihilum beat Holocaust at its own game and zerged them out. Now Nihilum was the top dog strictly from the amount of players in their zerg. If you tried to guerilla challenge them, it would never amount to nothing much because as soon as a couple of players ate xp loss, the numbers dwindled fast in a chain reaction of giving up. This was all explained multiple times to devs on the forums. I know this because i tried to organize and motivate people to challenge Nihilum. I was there, i saw all this in motion.

The status Quo then became either join Nihilum, or dont do content for 1 year +

Its one of those fallacies. Youve got the conclusion right (box depopulated) but you got the cause wrong.

PnP is the wrong solution to a misdiagnosed problem

GM intervention/participation/etc is exactly what this server needs. Everyone here needs to trust what the GMs say and stop believing everything they read on here. The current GMs are the only unbiased people that want the server to succeed and are a legit players best friend. You can trust they are trying to do the right thing over every other person playing this box, including your guild mates or even guild leader.

Sticking up for the GMs isn't the "cool" thing to do and you will see some real EQ bad asses slander their work on here but the ones that push back and fight against GMs making their presence known are the ones cheating, exploiting and griefing.

The definition of what griefing means is one thing but nothing hurts a server more than true undeniable griefing, exploiting and cheating.

Unfortunately the low population has created an environment where our players don't have the luxury of shunning players because guilds are starved for warm bodies. Since reputation means nothing GM intervention is the only way to rid the server of scum lords.

[Tradesonred]

Im not questioning their intentions, im sure they are honest about wanting the server to pick up. They just have their analysis wrong of what was the cause of Red's decline.

I hope devs and GMs dont hate me for my big mouth lol, props for not banning me and letting me speak my bit. Im pretty sure everyone (in the staff) understands that i would not be criticizing the server for so long and at length if i didnt care about it. My criticism is not the "burn it down" type. Although sometimes i let my exasperation at bad decisions get the best of me and drift a bit too much toward negativity. I guess its because i really wanted the server to succeed and seeing the solutions right there in front of the devs face on the forums for so long gets at me in the long run.

It makes me think of what my uncle once told me, hes a smart chemist who was head of a College for a couple of years and said "We are hard on people sometimes because we love them". I loved the idea of an emulated EQ PVP server, thats why im being hard.

The reason i would like the staff to get things right is because if a third server is launched, youll make the same mistakes again, or new ones, all because of improper diagnosis of what went wrong with red. And i might want to play on this 3rd server, if i see the ruleset is finally in a position to make a healthy pop possible.

[Rallyd]

He made the details public knowledge back in November. I wouldn't release details of a players past violations unless they had already done so.

Box has gone without staff intervention for 2 years and look at the population. We let the players police themselves and the server, and that failed. Now that we are getting involved its actually going up. It may be too little too late, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to try.

Totally incorrect, and leaves me wondering how disconnected the GM's are to what's actually happening on the server.

Population before PnP - 200 on a friday night.

Population after PnP - 100 on a friday night.

That's a fact.

[Rellapse36]

Totally incorrect, and leaves me wondering how disconnected the GM's are to what's actually happening on the server.

Population before PnP - 200 on a friday night.

Population after PnP - 100 on a friday night.

That's a fact.

must of been a trak due the friday b4 pnp then

[Fame]

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[Koota]

Nice try el blanc nino but your ass got sacked

PORKCHOP SANDWICHES

[tarran]

derubael #1 GM

[Tubben]

I like it how it is currently. Still to much bitching in ooc, and killing people naked just for the holy YT but it's ok. Much better than a few weeks earlier as i started on Red.

[phacemeltar]

no way man, the GMs r cool