cheap Torpor

[blondeattk]

I seem to recall, back in the day....one of the spots for getting torpor was the guardian wurms in skyfire.

Pretty tricky things tho!

tbh I hate that zone so I havent been there yet on p99. Am assuming these get killed alot?

Anyone killed these recently?

[Buriedpast]

This isnt live.

[blondeattk]

Great insight, thanks for that sherlock

[Tecmos Deception]

Don't know if torpor drops off them or not. A-Team kills them if we're bored and don't have anything better to do. I know they've dropped some other level 60 spells though (VoG and disintigrate for us, recently), so I assume they can drop torpor also, although infrequently.

Need a pretty solid group of 60s to do them really.

[Pullyn]

I've never seen it personally drop there but others have. A 60 monk witIh tash sticks and decent gear + torpor shaman can duo them. Its pretty fun albeit kind of sketchy. Definitely bring a full group if you want to down all 3 and beat the pop timer.

[Pint]

I've never seen it personally drop there but others have. A 60 monk witIh tash sticks and decent gear + torpor shaman can duo them. Its pretty fun albeit kind of sketchy. Definitely bring a full group if you want to down all 3 and beat the pop timer.

I don't think this is accurate, those wurms are pretty mean. They are slowable though so nothing crazy if you bring a few friends.

[Orruar]

I don't think this is accurate, those wurms are pretty mean. They are slowable though so nothing crazy if you bring a few friends.

Def can be duo with a monk a lot of effort/skill by both.

[Potus]

According to posts from 2000-2001 on Allakhazam people say they drop all the 60 spells with regularity.

[Peekayyoo]

Seen Torpor drop there twice

[Pullyn]

I don't think this is accurate, those wurms are pretty mean. They are slowable though so nothing crazy if you bring a few friends.

Bet me. Have done it several times.

[Pint]

i wouldnt make that bet bc i dont doubt it can be done, i just doubt that your going to do it repeatedly for hours until torpor drops. if you want to farm the wurms for torpor you probably arnt going to do it with a monk/shm combo consistently, i would make that bet.

[blondeattk]

`i just doubt that your going to do it repeatedly for hours until torpor drops. `

tbh I dont know, but surely other lvl 60 spells must sell for a canny price? SO the maths says that killing these things would bolster the bank anyway. RNG will probably give you a 4% chance of gettign torpor (just a figure i plucked out the air) HOwever if you make 25k per kill......but thats pure guesswork, as i dont know what is in demand for other classes.

are there any lvl 60 mobs that are easier to kill on regular basis?...excluding crypt mobs....most are tucked away in dungeons? MOst lvl 60 mobs in planes would be raid lvl mobs?? something in fear or hate thats farmable with a grp....but has similar rerpop time?

Gotta be one somewhere that can be feared, either undead or animal?

[Tecmos Deception]

Don't think you can fear any level 60 mob, the only level 60s in the planes are on 8+ hour respawns (and I don't think they drop level 60 spells anyway), etc.

The 60s in skyfire hit for over 500, some of them have AEs, and they have 30k+ hp. You can grind through them with a group of 60s np, but I wouldn't want to be duoing them. You'd probably need to be kiting them to get them slowed or something and it would probably take you 10+ minutes to kill each one.

There's a pretty good reason that the good level 60 spells are expensive: you can't farm up a bunch of them in a few hours of duoing something.

[JayN]

emp in crypt super rarely drops its, probably the easiest thing. Juggernauts in old sebilis should have a small chance I believe

[Potus]

Don't think you can fear any level 60 mob,

That is correct. Actually it is any mob over level 55 cannot be feared. Great necromancer nerf that was never corrected.

[VincentVolaju]

You guys think the price of Torpor will continue to go up even through Velious release? Or will it stay about the same and/or starting going back down?

[Dangermouse]

On live I got my copy of torpor from a guardian wurm. A 60 shaman with epic and torpor can easily (for some value of "easy") solo these beasts. Pre torpor I used to duo them with a SK.

[Tecmos Deception]

A 60 shaman with epic and torpor can easily (for some value of "easy") solo these beasts. Pre torpor I used to duo them with a SK.

Lol.

[Dangermouse]

Are you "lol" at my immense wit and cunning, or is it a comment on my assessment of the bashability of guardian wurms? :)

I'm only saying what I remember from my days on live, which was over 10 years ago.

[Tecmos Deception]

Are you "lol" at my immense wit and cunning, or is it a comment on my assessment of the bashability of guardian wurms? :)

I'm only saying what I remember from my days on live, which was over 10 years ago.

Ok, I didn't understand that you did this killing on live; I thought you said you saw torpor on live, but I assumed you were talking about p99 when you said a torpor sham could easily solo them.

Did they hit for over 500, have 32k hp, and resist a lot on live? Cause that's what they seem to do here. You can't single pull them either, I don't think? Not positive.

[Dangermouse]

As my shammy on P99 is only level 25, I can only comment on what I remember from live. They certainly hit for 500 ish, but I don't remember resists being too bad, at least after a malo. Can't remember what sort of HP they had, 32k sounds a bit much, that's what, 20 or so epic DOTs run to full damage?

I used to invis up and run to the VP entrance, then pull the static spawns to the back of the hallway. I think I could pull all 3 (or was it 4?) singly that way. Also there were wurms that would wander the zone and could be easily pulled singly to a zone wall.

Perhaps "easy" was the wrong word, I'm sure I died a few times trying this :)

And thinking about it, it was almost certainly post-velious era so I'd have had better spells than currently available on P99, although I was always way behind the curve when it came to gear :)

[Pint]

Your saying you can solo guardian wurms on your kunark geared shaman with torpor an an epic? Again I am callin bs. I have a very well geared 60 shaman and two very well geared 60 monks, I have duo'd protector in seb multiple times and I'm going to say the wurms are on par, no way are you soloing them without lining up pets and using strings. I also stand by my statement that you arnt going to duo guardian wurms to farm torpor without 5 bags full of aggro clickies to get it slowed each time unless your playing that rng game and wiping every other pull.

[Dangermouse]

<shrug> I'm saying I soloed them on Live ... as Tecmos has pointed out their stats may very well be different on P99. It's a long time ago but I'm pretty sure the ones on live didn't have 32k HP for example.

[Lojik]

Does post-Velious mean Luclin era? Do shaman get any spells/AA's/Gear that would make this encounter a lot easier? I never messed around much in Luclin.

But a shaman definitely can't solo pull on this server, plus you get roaming adds that warp through the walls. Freakin chromodracs....

[SamwiseRed]

the code for AAs has been deleted. i wouldnt count on it.

[Tasslehofp99]

If monk/sham can duo yendar (cons red to 60) id say these wurms are duoable as well.


I kinda agree though there's something off about drop rates of spells here. On live for example, Regrowth of the grove was insanely rare, sold for 30k up through velious if you could even find one. Here you practically have to give it away though, and torpor is worth more here than it ever was on live and seems to drop way less frequently.

Everyone is going to say oh there are so many shamans, but there are just as many druids if not more. Also, the fact that kunark has been out so long should logically drop prices down, yet the price has gone up on torpor/bane of nife as well as some other high level spells.

I wasn't under the impression that all dropped spells had the same drop rate, but compared to live it seems like some spells are wayy too rare.

Granted p99 economy is fucked as is the class composition of the server, I still don't get the pricing/rarity of some spells...am I missing something? Does each spell have a different drop rate, are some just insanely rare or is it the random number generator just being a prick? Lol I never remember any spells on live selling for 50k plat.

Most other items fall in the general area of percieved value as was compared to live except like 5 spells, is this weird to anyone else?

[klemenis]

I lol'd at the duo! Calling some major bs!

[Tasslehofp99]

I lol'd at the duo! Calling some major bs!

You can probably duo guardian wurms but its deffinetly very challenging.

Yendar doesnt hit as hard melee(200~ max hit, not slowable) but he probably mitigates damage better since hes a higher level. He also casts some nasty nukes that you likely won't resist even with good gear due to his level.

Shit even ragefire is probably on par with those guardian wurms if you do it sham/monk but people duo him with ease.

Not really sure why you guys find this so hard to believe?

The only reason I see this being overly difficult is if you get fucked with like 3 slow resists. That likely wont happen with tash + malo though, and if it does there are other ways of doing it.

Monk could pull 1 single to OT or BW zone, sham can malo+preslow while kiting it...zone and come back while monk feigns....GG.

I'm almost inclined to try this after work today if I can find a shaman who's down.

[Tasslehofp99]

Does post-Velious mean Luclin era? Do shaman get any spells/AA's/Gear that would make this encounter a lot easier? I never messed around much in Luclin.

But a shaman definitely can't solo pull on this server, plus you get roaming adds that warp through the walls. Freakin chromodracs....

To answer your question yes...shams were insanely powerful with luclin gear and AA's.

They got canni 5 which was insane.

[Pullyn]

If you guys are really curious to how this is done here's what you do. Double tash stick for a tash, have the shaman malo and slow. After that its a battle of attrition. Takes about 7-10 mins to kill one, km maybe a bit longer. Use stone stance and mend if you have to for a little bit of extra breathing room. Yendar on the other hand is much easier. Sky belt + double epic fist and you will push him all over the zone to the point he shouldn't get a cast off.

[Pint]

Yea yendar is in no way comparable to these encounters as he is a very easy mob to kill, also Ragefire is an easier fight then guardian wurms by a large margin.

[koros]

Ok, I didn't understand that you did this killing on live; I thought you said you saw torpor on live, but I assumed you were talking about p99 when you said a torpor sham could easily solo them.

Did they hit for over 500, have 32k hp, and resist a lot on live? Cause that's what they seem to do here. You can't single pull them either, I don't think? Not positive.

They could be soloed by top end shaman during kunark/velious on live. They're probably too hard here

[Buriedpast]

Not during kunark, not from what I ever saw. Sure in velious.

[koros]

Not during kunark, not from what I ever saw. Sure in velious.

If (incoming dps) < (dps torpor offsets) vs slowed mob, it's soloable. Not really sure why Velious would matter. AC was capped for Shaman at kunark levels.

[Pint]

Clearly guardian wurms need to be added to loraens solo artist challenge so that some shamans get to the bottom of this, my shaman is decent but I think I'd just die a few times and leave. No strings allowed !

[baalzy]

Don't reavers at fungus king camp in seb also have a chance to drop torpor?

[Rathnir]

I wouldn't swear to it, but I suspect your chances at "Spell: Torpor" are something like this:


NPC ID NPC Name NPC Level Drop Chance(%) Drop Multiplier
91191 a guardian wurm 60 1.3 x 1
108512 Druushk 67 1 x 1
89144 Emperor Chottal 60 1 x 1
96089 Faydedar 55 2 x 1
86014 Gorenaire 60 4 x 1
108507 guardian wurm 61 0.1 x 1
108506 guardian wurm 60 0.1 x 1
120057 Harla Dar 66 0.5 x 1
108517 Hoshkar 66 1 x 1
87151 Ixiblat Fer 62 0.7 x 1
108513 Nexona 65 1 x 1
103056 Overking Bathezid 65 5 x 1
108510 Phara Dar 66 1 x 1
103080 Prince Selrach Di`zok 61 0.5 x 1
103055 Queen Velazul Di`zok 62 0.5 x 1
89001 sebilite protector 60 1.25 x 1
94009 Severilous 60 3 x 1
108509 Silverwing 66 1 x 1
91093 Talendor 60 2 x 1
89000 Tolapumj 60 4 x 1
89154 Trakanon 65 4 x 1
108511 Xygoz 65 1 x 1

A few additional creatures drop it when Velious and Chardok revamp hit, but I'm guessing this is a close approximation of the odds on this server. I don't think reavers drop it.

(Edited):
-Changed the theoretic drop chance off Ixiblat, as it was misleadingly high. Should be closer to accurate now.
-Not sure if "sebilite juggernaut" has a chance at Torpor. I think that is where I got mine, but maybe I am mis-remembering and it was off the protector. If they do have it, it is an abysmally small chance at it.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ixi definitely not right on there, haha :)

[Pint]

bathezid must really not like me

[Toehammer]

I have seen torpor drop two times from juggs on this server. Probably killed over 500 though :)

Never seen bane of nife drop, ever... 2 years still looking for it. :)

[Lyrith]

Don't reavers at fungus king camp in seb also have a chance to drop torpor?

Torpor def drops at Fungus King Camp

[Pint]

Torpor def drops at Fungus King Camp

bad info is bad

[Rathnir]

The "guardian wurms" are not soloable in any way that would make this a good spot to solo for Torpor. I was doing this tonight with a 60 warrior and 56 monk. They can be sneak pulled, and are extremely resistant. Even after Malo and Tash Stick I've had 4-5 slow resists on them.

the "ancient wyverns" are much easier. Either the wyvern or wurm spawns every ~20 or so minutes (didn't check time) probably 50% at either. The wyverns are much easier, but backstab and proc "dark poison". The wurms have a fire AE buts it not too devastating. The warrior would blow evasive when slow wasnt easy to land, or tash stick was taking forever to proc. Constant torpor keeps him up, but sometimes Superior spots are necessary with it, even slowed.

As a solo shaman, even with Torpor, you would have a very difficult time soloing one without blowing SoulFire charges or what not. Even if you could solo one, you cant keep up with the spawn timer, or split them. Totally a duo-trio spot for the spell, but not soloable. We got spells off of the wyverns, I don't remember if the wurms ever dropped any, only did maybe 2 hours at it, very hectic, very fun.