Classic Pally shield and 2hander

[Vidar]

Ok, so I'm making a paladin and I'm giving him a set of Ro armor and a Ghoulbane. Classic pally gear. Now, I'm wondering what shield/2hander would be classic for a PALADIN. Obviously soulfire, but besides that. What do you guys think. Ive got him a cracked darkwood shield already but I'm trying to think what other shield would be more Paladin specific classic gear. Not that it should be pally only or anything. Same thing for the 2handed weapon. Not sure what to get.

Thoughts?

P.S. My first character on live was a Dwarf Paladin. That's why I'm making this guy. XD

[baalzy]

Quest Aegis of Life. Then, uh... Classic (meaning no kunark?) Mithril 2hander I suppose.

[Daldaen]

Crested Mistmoore Shield (http://wiki.project1999.com/Crested_Mistmoore_Shield) as the person above said, was quite a classic paladin/SK shield.

Among other good options:

Clay Guardian Shield (http://wiki.project1999.com/Clay_Guardian_Shield) - 25AC/50HP - 1k~
Sarnak Battle Shield (http://wiki.project1999.com/Sarnak_Battle_Shield) - 25AC/40HP/5STR+STA/10SV M/F/C - 7k~

Beyond those there is nothing really worth mentioning that is feasibly attainable for an alt. Personally my alt uses Clay Guardian Shield. I think SBS is pretty damn near the best outside of dragon shields (and the one I am about to mention). Also there is the Shield of the Stalwart Seas (http://wiki.project1999.com/Shield_of_the_Stalwart_Seas) which is Erudite only.

Aegis of Life is really more of a back-slot item.

[Clark]

Sword of the Morning pretty cheap and good weap.

[Daldaen]

Oh and 2hander. Don't bother.

Feel free to quest your way towards SoulFire -> FA -> FD. But other than that, IMO, don't bother with 2handers. You are far more survivable with sword/board and if you aren't tanking in a group you really aren't bringing much to the group as a 2hs DPS paladin (until they introduce cats on the moon + Slay Undead)

[Durothil Skyreaver]

Oh and 2hander. Don't bother.

Feel free to quest your way towards SoulFire -> FA -> FD. But other than that, IMO, don't bother with 2handers. You are far more survivable with sword/board and if you aren't tanking in a group you really aren't bringing much to the group as a 2hs DPS paladin (until they introduce cats on the moon + Slay Undead)

Ignore this person.

If you are going classic, get a mith 2hander. If you are doing Kunark then go with a Baton of Faith (2hb) or an Arbitors Combine Greatsword. Both are comparable and both are dirt cheap. BoF has a better ratio (30/40) but the Greatsword has 15 wis (30/43).

[Daldaen]

If you intend on soloing get a 2hander. If you intend on grouping, 2 handed is pretty useless.

[Byrjun]

If you intend on soloing get a 2hander. If you intend on grouping, 2 handed is pretty useless.

Disagree highly.

[Tiggles]

Disagree highly.

Seconded

AC is borked here and most paladin agro is spells so 2handed weapons work well.

[Daldaen]

Perhaps I am working off how it should work...

AC being borked does devalue shield AC. Also broken weapon/cast timing (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136455) also increases the value of 2hander for hybrid.

If they manage to fix the hybrid casting bug then that would make 2h much less valuable (atleast slow 2h).

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Quest Aegis of Life. Then, uh... Classic (meaning no kunark?) Mithril 2hander I suppose.

m2h or razing sword of skarlon really only 2h pre planar worth mentioning.

[webrunner5]

Mithril 2hander works out to be a 21/30 with the haste figured in, and it works at Level 1. Not bad speed. Cost like 700 plat though. So a damn good weapon till 20ish.

[Tuljin]

sword and board for caster mobs, swap in a 2hander for melee mobs - baton of faith is good, granite face grinder is better but its tough to justify the cost because its not thaaaaaat much more efficient than the baton.

bash can be the difference between life and death on caster mobs, especially if you're only soloing or duoing. with a ghoulbane and shield you can solo festering hags in unrest once you get your first stun spell, tho duo/trio xp is certainly faster.

[baalzy]

Here are some more Classic (no-kunark) Shields (the first couple are unrealistic though):
http://wiki.project1999.com/Shield_of_the_Immaculate
http://wiki.project1999.com/Shield_of_Rainbow_Hues
http://wiki.project1999.com/Efreeti_War_Shield
http://wiki.project1999.com/Giant_Laceless_Sandal (you should get this and SS it, I wanna see what it looks like wielded)
http://wiki.project1999.com/Scute_Shield
http://wiki.project1999.com/Cracked_Darkwood_Shield
http://wiki.project1999.com/Silent_Watch_Shield
http://wiki.project1999.com/Slithinis%27s_Shield

Few 2h options (though 2h SUCKED in classic):
http://wiki.project1999.com/Razing_Sword_of_Skarlon
http://wiki.project1999.com/Mithril_Two-Handed_Sword (as has been said a few times, one of the best for classic)
http://wiki.project1999.com/Gigantic_Zweihander
http://wiki.project1999.com/Brilliant_Sword_of_Faith (part of SoulFire)
http://wiki.project1999.com/Deepwater_Harpoon (realtively easy quest actually)
http://wiki.project1999.com/Silvery_Two_Handed_Axe

Blunt weapons suck even more:
http://wiki.project1999.com/Man-o-War
http://wiki.project1999.com/Cros_Treewind%27s_Staff
http://wiki.project1999.com/Large_Meat_Tenderizer

[Vidar]

Ok, Brilliant Sword of faith. How many people does it take to kill Lucan?

[baalzy]

Ok, Brilliant Sword of faith. How many people does it take to kill Lucan?

Going off his wiki values he could probably be solo'd by most lvl 60s.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Sir_Lucan_D%27Lere

[Skittlez]

Oh and 2hander. Don't bother.

Feel free to quest your way towards SoulFire -> FA -> FD. But other than that, IMO, don't bother with 2handers. You are far more survivable with sword/board and if you aren't tanking in a group you really aren't bringing much to the group as a 2hs DPS paladin (until they introduce cats on the moon + Slay Undead)


Please ignore this foolish Druid. You MUST have a 2h weapon. I would suggest Baton of Faith or Arbitor's Combine Greatsword. Your dps with a 1h and shield will be shit compared to when you're using two handed weapons. Only use sword and board while tanking and fighting casters. Otherwise your gonna be using 2h weapons almost solely.

[William_Munny15]

enchanters can solo lucan pretty easily I hear

[Daldaen]

It sounds like I have been overruled!

I just got so annoyed with tanks who would use 2-hander against hard hitting stuff and wonder why they died. Herpderp Shield AC is awesome cause it goes over softcaps. Plus it is like having another slot of gear for HP/Stats/AC generally speaking. (And mostly this was after the Shield Block AA was added, which was enormous mitigation)

For soloing, I can see 2-Handers being good. When I soloed my paladin up through classic levels I just used a Ghoulbane for most of it until 50ish. I think my rationale back then (probably 2000-2001~) was that I spent a large amount of time camping Ghoulbane and the proc was so fancy. And I also figured Ghoulbane out DPSed any 2hander I had access to at the time. With Baton of Faith being as cheap as it is, no harm in grabbing one and testing it out though! Probably out DPSes Ghoulbane with bad Dex.

[webrunner5]

Hell, about ANYTHING out damages a Ghoulbane if you are not killing un-dead. 2 handers after level 20 when the damage cap comes off will out damage any 1 hander.

And you are talking about hitting the soft cap. Hell you would have to be in TMO as a top officer to hit that for what it would cost.

[Daldaen]

Well yes, Sword of the Morning 1-20 is awesome for non undead. Once you ding 20, swapping to Ghoulbane is pretty solid. After that for soloing Rod of Faith vs. Ghoulbane, I'd imagine it would just depend on luck of procs and what your Dex is. But 2HB probably wins out in long haul.

SoftCap AC its been so long I forget the values. Aren't they level dependant? I remember by the time I started caring about AC on my paladin, your gear pretty much made you automatically go over the SoftCap so Shield AC was extremely important. Less so during this era perhaps? Educate me if anyone has a post from Kunark/Velious era about AC.

[Skittlez]

Hell, about ANYTHING out damages a Ghoulbane if you are not killing un-dead. 2 handers after level 20 when the damage cap comes off will out damage any 1 hander.

And you are talking about hitting the soft cap. Hell you would have to be in TMO as a top officer to hit that for what it would cost.

[Skittlez]

Ghoul bane dps is terribad

[Vidar]

So, quick question. AGI needs to be 75 ... or is it 78 for tanks? for the ac bonus or whatever?

[Daldaen]

Bumping this cause I finally got around to buying my paladin (20) a Baton of Faith.

It hits for max (60) pretty damn often and with double attack it easily out damages ghoulbane unless maybe you have max dex or something crazy. Was able to hold down a decent number of mobs duoing with a 18 enchanter friend and just self healing. Probably 6-7 blue-white cons would die before I had to stop and med up with this combo.

So yea I'll take back what I said. Without shield block AA or great gear/functioning AC, 2 hander is pretty sweet once your damage cap is removed at 20. Pre-20 is say get a Sword of the Morning though.

[tristantio]

I did a parse on the bug thread re: armor class, at least on a 35 erudite shd, 100 AC was close to a 15% damage reduction in received damage.

[Bazia]

if ur soloing baton of faith

if not bash is nice for lowering a mobs dps + spell interrupt in groups

id use a shield if i was grouping until u get 2 handers that let u bash (epic, sky sword, other shit)

[Daldaen]

Once a paladin dings 30, bash becomes less useful due to stun.

[Bazia]

idk for manas sake starting with 2 stuns for aggro and then being able to bash is a nice plus

[Ennewi]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Giant_Laceless_Sandal (you should get this and SS it, I wanna see what it looks like wielded)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/703/u31l.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/jju31lj)

[tristantio]

Slow two handers are the best for a hybrid who casts a lot, because you can end up casting between swings (aka no lost dps as a result of casting - Oggok Cleaver is amazing for this).

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5947643_700b.jpg

[Tuljin]

Once a paladin dings 30, bash becomes less useful due to stun.

bash is always incredibly useful and often ends up being the difference between life and death. casters are very nasty and you have to stop their spells, especially when youre duo or trio. the clicky bracer doesn't work until 45 and the cooldown on stun is way too long to not need to use bash to stop additional spells.

the clicky bracer is so damn slow that you have to start casting it immediately when your spell stun hits in order to have it timed correctly for interrupts. until you get the lvl 49 stun you will be relying heavily on both bash and stun to be an awesome knight - sword and board 4 lyfe.

even when you hit 49 and get the second spell stun, you'll still use bash quite a bit. clicky bracer is nice but its a real pain in the ass to time and its pretty much useless to stop runners.

if its a melee mob, put on a baton of faith and bludgeon it repeatedly.