Drama Spotlight: Quiet and the Windstriker Bow

[Smedy]

Hi pals of Red99,

There's a drama brewing in Red Dawn for a few days that seems to be swept under the rugg. As a fellow forumquester i don't like when things are taken below the radar, there's no reason for it to be taken below the radar. I think we owe the community to know the guy who is being the character "Quiet". Not that reputation matters i just wanna make sure that it makes it to the history books for bros to read later.

I never knew Quiet myself but i came to know him as a mellow guy who seemed to not care about pixels, the kinda guy i like to do my eq with, then suddenly red dawn catches a break and a big pixel drops, the harder part of the Windstriker bow quest. All seems fine as Quiet is leading the DKP charts, for now.

This is where things get fuzzy for me and why i create this thread, from what i gather Quiet wanted the bow and was leading DKP charts and didn't think much of it, until Exed our other ranger started making leaps on the DKP charts from selling Levitate cloaks to guildmembers for their DKP. I personally like the fact that our internal dkp is like an economy of its own and that people who cannot make the 5am raids (my time) can do other things to get DKP, as help with camps and stuff like that.

What later came was Quiet's quitting of EQ thread where he explained he would not join nihilum but rather quit the game, then later i hear from whispers in the norrathian wind about Quiet applying to nihilum.

This could be the shittiest way of going out i've ever seen, why would you quit over the fact that someone else MIGHT get the bow, i mean no one has gotten it yet.

Incredible what pixels do to people, but it seems the bow has the same effect as my AoN, everytime people set their mind on getting an item of these powers, they eventually end up in nihilum, mind fucked.

TL DR: Seems like Quiet quit his guild and join nihilum because someone else might get an item using a completely fair dkp system.

PS. Please feel free to update me if my story is incorrect, that's sorta why i wanted to make the thread, cuz no one is really saying what happened so i'm going public with this shit.

[hagard]

Glad this is being documented, thank you smedy pal

[Mac Dretti]

A guy that has the highest raid attendance is losing a dkp bid against someone with 0 raid attendance but has dkp from selling things to guild members is upset about a loot decision?

Whodathunk that system wu'd cause such a thing

[Smedy]

No one lost anything, the bow is still in bank.

Just the mere though of losing a pixel sent him over the edge.

[Mac Dretti]

How long does loot usually sit in bank b4 members can bid on it

[Kaahbal]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/pgfx/item_1104.png

[Rellapse36]

Quiet is back in Red Dawn bros

[Smedy]

Well, considering the piece is droppable and you reqcuire more pixels to complete the quest that are almost equally as hard to aquire it would seem stupid to hand it out to someone instead of just keeping it in the guild bank until the rest has been acquired

That's my guess, i'm no officer

[Rellapse36]

Should of made this thread like 3 days ago. Quiet already rejoined and was spotted making gains on the dkp charts in Sky last night.

[Smedy]

I could however after thinking about it feel how it could be unfair not getting the item considering he was there went it dropped (not sure but i guess he was) and as it dropped he had the highest dkp.

Like i said, this thread is merely to straighten out the story cuz no ones talking

I just wanna make sure bow goes to anyone but Lite's up and coming ranger, cuz if that would happen you'll see some true smedy rustled nuts

[Smedy]

Should of made this thread like 3 days ago. Quiet already rejoined and was spotted making gains on the dkp charts in Sky last night.

no ones talking, so i'm posting

[Kaahbal]

Hehehehe

[Lime]

Sounds like Red Dawn has a fantastic System in place.

Sell blooming onions for dkp.
Disband guild get invited back with no repercussions.

Starting to sound like another guild everyones likes to hate on.

[Smedy]

Sounds like Red Dawn has a fantastic System in place.

Sell blooming onions for dkp.
Disband guild get invited back with no repercussions.

Starting to sound like another guild everyones likes to hate on.

Blooming onons for dkp? What you talking about

Disband guild and invited back, yeah that's pretty much whats goin on with all guilds on this server.

[Smedy]

After discussing the thing i've actually found my self on Quiets side tho, I mean the guy was in air when the bow dropped, and he DID have the higher DKP at the time the bow dropped, so per automatic i think he should get the bow if i chooses to use his dkp for it.

Just my opinion tho, i'm no officer

[Lime]

Sounds like you guys doing quiet dirty to be honest. But it's hard to tell cause your dkp system is so retarded.

[Rellapse36]

After discussing the thing i've actually found my self on Quiets side tho, I mean the guy was in air when the bow dropped, and he DID have the higher DKP at the time the bow dropped, so per automatic i think he should get the bow if i chooses to use his dkp for it.

Just my opinion tho, i'm no officer

Wrong was no ranger in sky when the bow dropped. Who the fuck is feeding you this info Tune?

[Instagib]

I'd give it to Exed, people disbanding over pixels is toxic. Sounds like Quiet would just take the bow and go Nilly or quit anyway.

[Smedy]

Wrong was no ranger in sky when the bow dropped. Who the fuck is feeding you this info Tune?

Probably, the norrathian wind stinks of troll right about now, i've been had

[Terpuntine]

I could however after thinking about it feel how it could be unfair not getting the item considering he was there went it dropped (not sure but i guess he was) and as it dropped he had the highest dkp.

Like i said, this thread is merely to straighten out the story cuz no ones talking

I just wanna make sure bow goes to anyone but Lite's up and coming ranger, cuz if that would happen you'll see some true smedy rustled nuts

I ran the raid it dropped on and no rangers were present, the reason why it went to the guild bank. And while you're at it why don't you stop with the drama threads while you're ahead.

[Tassador]

Not trolling wtf is dkp

[iiNGloriouS]

I'd give it to Exed, people disbanding over pixels is toxic. Sounds like Quiet would just take the bow and go Nilly or quit anyway.

I wouldn't give it to either of them out of good measure. Have it sit for a bit.

Exed rage quits and strips his ranger at least once a week to try to sell his gear only to play again when he realizes his gear is useless and no one plays Ranger.

Quiet ragequit and word of the Norrathian winds revealed that he was apping Nihilum.

Both have pixel-lust that needs to be put in check.

[Smedy]

I wouldn't give it to either of them out of good measure. Have it sit for a bit.

Exed rage quits and strips his ranger at least once a week to try to sell his gear only to play again when he realizes his gear is useless and no one plays Ranger.

Quiet ragequit and word of the Norrathian winds revealed that he was apping Nihilum.

Both have pixel-lust that needs to be put in check.

Lite has a ranger in the making the norrathian wind tells me, may it be? ..... an evening star
Shines down upon you
May it be when darkness falls
Your heart will be true
You walk a lonely road
Oh! How far you are from home

Mornie utulie (Darkness has come)
Believe and you will find your way
Mornie alantie (Darkness has fallen)
A promise lives within you now

[Twainz]

Lite has a ranger in the making the norrathian wind tells me, may it be? ..... an evening star
Shines down upon you
May it be when darkness falls
Your heart will be true
You walk a lonely road
Oh! How far you are from home

Mornie utulie (Darkness has come)
Believe and you will find your way
Mornie alantie (Darkness has fallen)
A promise lives within you now

Lite is leveling up a new box? Imagine that.

[heartbrand]

Neither ranger was there.

[Silent]

So Checkraise is making/buying/gaining access to a 60 ranger he will give the bow to so he can use ranged tstaff goodness and not giving it to any of his ranger guildmembers? Got it thanks.

[heartbrand]

Ya u got it. Real reading champion over der.

[Tune]

for the people reading this, the answer is app nihilum

if you dip below 100% RA for the first time and a bow drops...

we'll do the right thing

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[heartbrand]

Nihilum won't hand you the bow either without the sky pearl. No one does. You bid on the final product, not the individual pieces. Shit ain't difficult.

[Rhuobhe]

Exed our other ranger started making leaps on the DKP charts from selling Levitate cloaks to guildmembers for their DKP. [/I]

wtf I must have missed the memo. Exed where you at dawg.

Please just take my dkp

[Edgat]

2 questions:
1) is there a signing bonus to RD dkp for long standing nihilum members (will my nihilum dkp transfer?)
2) how many dkp do exed & queit have?

[Smedy]

well this thread backfired hard as i can see the readon comprehension of red99 population is shit

sorry pals

[Smedy]

readon, READING fucking shit

[k9quaint]

I'd strip my toon and sell the gear, but the market for Alligator Earrings is slumped at the moment. :(

[Flowz]

getting DKP for doing other things other then raid is kinda retarded, whats the point in showing up to the raid when u can just MQ jboots and camp lev cloaks and VP key pieces and then show up for that 1 raid for that one item. If you are going to Give DKP for other things then raiding, Then more important and rare pieces and firsts should goto the people who put their time in raiding, some raids go for a few hours and depending on the DKP system and when its taken migth take awhile to add up. Where as i could get my buddy to sit in SK and camp quill ( let me know when its up and then bam i get DKP) You will see that happen when people start to accumulate more DKP they will start helping friends out. Can you give spyglass's and gobby earrings for DKP too? any item or just Lev cloaks? Lev cloak kinda pointless unless you have 2 or 3 clickys anyway. I guess its nice for melee's.

[heartbrand]

A lot of people hating on the free market. People who do raid decided they'd rather spend their DKP on those items. Do you know better than them what they should spend their DKP on? Lot of socialists up in dis thread.

[Twainz]

When $ektor buys an account does he also buy their DKP?

[SamwiseRed]

When $ektor buys an account does he also buy their DKP?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/4712109/paul-roma-getting-owned-by-ted-dibiase-sr-o.gif

[mcappy]

Selling items for DKP sounds like a terrible system to me. It might be fine for people who want to spend DKP on other things, but it's awful for people who raid to get raid loot. I'd probably be annoyed too if some asshat who raids once a month gets priority on no-drop raid loot.

For 'the fairest loot system' it sounds suspiciously stacked in favor of the long-time players who have loads of shit to sell and very little to gain from fear/hate clears or Nagafen kills.

[eskimospy]

When $ektor buys an account does he also buy their DKP?

Should just buy HB a new PC for DKP imo, solid precedent on this server

[Pappa]

I Agree acquiring DKP thru any other means then raiding is complete shit. Although I don't really log on to much any more and why should I? I got like 5 more fungi's I can sell for DKP if I really wanted to lolol.

[Kaahbal]

If Nihilum had dkp for helping other people only Kinamaraa, Ruban and Tune would get loot. 4EVER.

[Pappa]

Who is kaahbal?

[Mac Dretti]

a nobody from 4 years ago

[Kaahbal]

Who is kaahbal?

http://i.qkme.me/3q3h23.jpg

[Agatha]

For 'the fairest loot system' it sounds suspiciously stacked in favor of the long-time players who have loads of shit to sell and very little to gain from fear/hate clears or Nagafen kills.

by george i think you are onto something, if only i could figure out who this helps out the most...... who is allied with RD who has been farming seb for 2 years.

[Kaahbal]

a nobody from 4 years ago

http://dashburst.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/poke-me-again-i-dare-you.jpg

[Nirgon]

Sounds like Red Dawn has a fantastic System in place.


Actually their system provides an incentive for geared out or max level people to continue to help new members, something crucial for an upcoming guild here to survive with lots of new blood in total rags.

[heartbrand]

I'm glad everyone is so concerned about our loot system. We had an internal vote and the members overwhelming love the system, albeit with a couple of tweaks. And why wouldn't they? It allows people who raid and don't have anything tangible they need to get, trade their time and effort for real upgrades such as a fungi or a recently upgraded raid item without needing 70k pp to do so. Those who put in time to raid get upgrades they need, those who can't raid as much will have incentive to assist the guild and be part of it by trading their time (farming pixels) for other people's time ( raiding). It's the free market at its best working beautifully.

All this stuff about people farming seb is fraudulent. No one is allowed to monopolize camps in red dawn, and all groups are guild charter enforced need before greed. What has happened is people have upgraded items such as their RBB to 41% haste , and rather than putting that RBB on a twink or selling it for pp, they are instead putting it back into the guild for dkp. Everyone wins. The people who benefit the most are those who raid the most because they are able to get real needed upgrades from others, making the force stronger as a whole.

Sure we can all pretend people will do this stuff for free, just like tehruoh gave his cof to the guild when he got his haste or ordaga did (oh wait they didnt) or all of those free fungis passed out in nihilum (wait wut?) what does your dkp get you in nihilum? Nada. Zilch. It's officer loot. Once your geared your dkp is effectively worthless. In red dawn, you can use that dkp to still get items you want from other members. It incentivizes those who have what they need to keep raiding.

There's a couple of tweaks needed with some item caps and what not, but in general it's a great system which is why the members have overwhelming supported it. Thanks for your concern all!

[heartbrand]

And to add, there was one small issue we saw, someone farming rather than raiding, which was easily closed by forbidding the sale of all loot from those who farm during raids. All deals have to be posted on our public forums and approved to make sure it's legit. Everything is in the open. It's the free market working beautifully. 1 dkp is already worth about 1000pp.

[Nirgon]

60 warriors, clerics and enchanters helping the guild and getting a benefit in exchange.

Personally, I'd rather award a drop to the 60 warrior who makes 80% of raids and spend 30 hours a week tanking for guild xp groups than the warrior who only makes 100% of raids but never logs on otherwise.

[heartbrand]

Actually their system provides an incentive for geared out or max level people to continue to help new members, something crucial for an upcoming guild here to survive with lots of new blood in total rags.

[Kaahbal]

Red Dawns system makes sense. Nihilums is more an activity tracker. Waste of Thrillas time.

[Snufz]

Free market good, keeps better droppables in guild rather then Gyno onioning up everything.

[vouss]

Really like HB's DKP system as well, very good idea.

My 2 cents on Quiet, guy said he was going to quit and leave his character to Red Dawn until Lite boxing Brainz used MQ to kill him in Firiona Vie.

[vouss]

Now he's going to App Nihi !

[heartbrand]

He's back in rd pras

[vouss]

pras

[Pappa]

Still cant figure out who this kaahbal guy is

[mcappy]

I'm glad everyone is so concerned about our loot system. We had an internal vote and the members overwhelming love the system, albeit with a couple of tweaks. And why wouldn't they? It allows people who raid and don't have anything tangible they need to get, trade their time and effort for real upgrades such as a fungi or a recently upgraded raid item without needing 70k pp to do so. Those who put in time to raid get upgrades they need, those who can't raid as much will have incentive to assist the guild and be part of it by trading their time (farming pixels) for other people's time ( raiding). It's the free market at its best working beautifully.

All this stuff about people farming seb is fraudulent. No one is allowed to monopolize camps in red dawn, and all groups are guild charter enforced need before greed. What has happened is people have upgraded items such as their RBB to 41% haste , and rather than putting that RBB on a twink or selling it for pp, they are instead putting it back into the guild for dkp. Everyone wins. The people who benefit the most are those who raid the most because they are able to get real needed upgrades from others, making the force stronger as a whole.

Sure we can all pretend people will do this stuff for free, just like tehruoh gave his cof to the guild when he got his haste or ordaga did (oh wait they didnt) or all of those free fungis passed out in nihilum (wait wut?) what does your dkp get you in nihilum? Nada. Zilch. It's officer loot. Once your geared your dkp is effectively worthless. In red dawn, you can use that dkp to still get items you want from other members. It incentivizes those who have what they need to keep raiding.

There's a couple of tweaks needed with some item caps and what not, but in general it's a great system which is why the members have overwhelming supported it. Thanks for your concern all!

I'm unguilded and poorly geared, it only makes sense to be concerned about your loot system. I have two real choices if I ever want to raid. I'm not driven by loot, but that doesn't mean I want to be in rags forever.

Rather than go into a long rant about how that system is stacked against new members (more specifically, newer players on the server), I'll just say that your wall of text there made my decision a lot easier.

[heartbrand]

Actually the system is incredibly better for newer players are you dense? In nihilum you are about three years worth of dkp behind the top 25 raiders. You will be 100th in line for vulak loot. In a bid dkp system people have to spend their dkp meaning you could be on top within a month. You decide what items are important to you.

[Snufz]

Also, when the top DKPers all want a good item... the item can go for a HUGE amount of DKP because they all bid against it... which in turn resets the DKP.

If raid items were a set value of DKP, the system wouldn't work. But since it's a bid system everyone is in control of what they get or spend and what they consider an item to be worth.

[Mac Dretti]

Actually the system is incredibly better for newer players are you dense? In nihilum you are about three years worth of dkp behind the top 25 raiders. You will be 100th in line for vulak loot. In a bid dkp system people have to spend their dkp meaning you could be on top within a month. You decide what items are important to you.

Dkp reset w new xpac

Tooshay

[Nirgon]

I don't think HB will destroy loot in front of you if it would rot otherwise when you app or cuss you out in front of everyone over TS for only having 170 unbuffed MR.

He probably won't order you to train people or ask you to participate in exploiting content either.

[Mac Dretti]

Dats blasphemous

[Tune]

he will just rig every bid

lie and steal

sounds good

[heartbrand]

Rig every bid. Cool. Did you have evidence to support this claim? Nihilum rigs every officer loot decision and lies. C wut I did there?

[Tune]

also the fact that u can get dkp with plat and non raid loot basically opens the door for rmt, and lowers the inscentive to raid and get the job done

$ecktors seems to be all over that

dkp = Dragon kill points, not Quillmane kill points

with dkp trading going on there is so much shady shit you can and will do, i duno where to begin

We actually have a fair loot coucil, going under a soft reset for velious

[heartbrand]

First of all dkp isn't exchangeable for plat. Second of all every item sell is posted on forums first for officer approval. Thanks for playing check your facts next time.

[Twainz]

I don't think HB will destroy loot in front of you if it would rot otherwise when you app or cuss you out in front of everyone over TS for only having 170 unbuffed MR.

He probably won't order you to train people or ask you to participate in exploiting content either.

Heartbrand doesn't need to ask people to exploit or train. They do it willingly without being asked. Ask Stasis about training in Sebilis, that is all he knows how to do.

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

selling items for dkp is the worst idea I ever heard of

[Tune]

just brings me to my first point

character of people behind the system > the system

if you want no bullshit come to us

new dkp system for velious , item values (uneeded imo) but people want them , running dkp values

right now as it stands brand new member got PD robe in 3 months of playing

most generous system out there imo

[heartbrand]

$600,000 offered Tune if you can support any evidence that the bidding has been rigged. Looking forward to your proof.

P.s. "character of people", kind of like how Nizzar sold green scales to Sektor for $150? Oh shit didn't know about that one? Kind of like how it's closed door officer shady loot decisions? Bid DKP is the fairest item system in existence. It's the free market. There's no secrets. You get to decide what an item is worth to you. You want to save up for that Vulak item and go all in to get it first blowing your DKP load? Go for it. You want to go for the medium upgrade approach scooping up some nice upgrades that aren't BiS but good enough? Go for it. You want to be the hoarder who waits to get items but then can scoop up a lot of them? Go for it. It forces you to make decisions about how you want to gear your character and what's important to you. On live, I wanted the headed off The First Creation to create the Shawl 2.0 which was the best item in the game. I saved up an expansion worth of DKP so I could be the first world wide tank in the game with it. I dropped my entire DKP load to get it, while others got many more upgrades than me who decided to go for different approaches. Bid DKP allows you to decide the approach to take.

Looking forward to your prof

[Meow]

tune = http://www.redstatereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/biden.jpg

[Eslade]

Dkp reset w new xpac

Tooshay

So you're saying that as soon as velious hits, all of your hard earned dkp resets to zero? Why bother raiding after you have everything that you want?
A) you love fighting the same raid mobs over and over.
B) you love all the new people apping nilly.
C) that's what they tell you.
D) you jelly.

[Tune]

its pretty simple how u can rig a bid and use insider trading on this system

do i need to explain or u got that much?

[Kaahbal]

Tune i love you so dont take this e-personal. You are hands down one of e nicest people ove encountered on R99.

But people have been saying that you are perma banned after violating rules, so why are u still posting here?

[DrRoach]

$600,000 offered Tune if you can support any evidence that the bidding has been rigged. Looking forward to your proof.

P.s. "character of people", kind of like how Nizzar sold green scales to Sektor for $150? Oh shit didn't know about that one? Kind of like how it's closed door officer shady loot decisions? Bid DKP is the fairest item system in existence. It's the free market. There's no secrets. You get to decide what an item is worth to you. You want to save up for that Vulak item and go all in to get it first blowing your DKP load? Go for it. You want to go for the medium upgrade approach scooping up some nice upgrades that aren't BiS but good enough? Go for it. You want to be the hoarder who waits to get items but then can scoop up a lot of them? Go for it. It forces you to make decisions about how you want to gear your character and what's important to you. On live, I wanted the headed off The First Creation to create the Shawl 2.0 which was the best item in the game. I saved up an expansion worth of DKP so I could be the first world wide tank in the game with it. I dropped my entire DKP load to get it, while others got many more upgrades than me who decided to go for different approaches. Bid DKP allows you to decide the approach to take.

Looking forward to your prof

did you just post a red dawn member rmt's loot on this server? WTF

[Meow]

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[Tune]

when some1 is talking shit i like to defend myself and/or guild

[mostbitter]

Heartbrand doesn't need to ask people to exploit or train. They do it willingly without being asked. Ask Stasis about training in Sebilis, that is all he knows how to do.

Better to talk to Lite about ghosting, how to box, and where to stand in droga to exploit faction gains.

[heartbrand]

its pretty simple how u can rig a bid and use insider trading on this system

do i need to explain or u got that much?

That wasn't your claim though. Your claim was that it IS rigged. Where's your proof to support this claim? What would the incentive be to "rig" the system? What would I gain? It's not hard to realize it was rigged, many items are class restricted and only two or three people could use it. If I created artificial bids to drive the price up [which again makes no sense, why would I do that] people would quickly figure it out, which would then be the complete end of the guild. I've been in an end game WoW guild and an end game EQ guild on live for over seven years that did bid dkp. Had ZERO issues. On the other hand, I've been in multiple officer loot guilds, all awful with shady nonsensical decisions, and I've been in dkp value systems which only favor those with the absolute highest RA. It makes catching up near impossible for newer members. But again, your claim is that it is CURRENTLY being rigged, or are you already retracting that outlandish claim? Thanks!

[Kaahbal]

when some1 is talking shit i like to defend myself and/or guild

Let em go dude, u were the mom of that guild and babysat them for two years. Its someone elses headache now. When games over just save yourself the headache and move on.

Did only the character Tune get banned or did Silay, Fallen etc also get banned?

Nice that we can still talk to you on the forums, but no reason for you to defend past guilds when games over.

[Tune]

Let em go dude, u were the mom of that guild and babysat them for two years. Its someone elses headache now. When games over just save yourself the headache and move on.

Did only the character Tune get banned or did Silay, Fallen etc also get banned?

Nice that we can still talk to you on the forums, but no reason for you to defend past guilds when games over.

games not over

i will still crush these cry babies by what ever means necessary, burrowed characters , alts, w/what ever i can

if i quit = they win

[dre]

Trade Bloomin Onions for DKP
Buy Items with DKP

Legal RMT bros


Come at me.

[Kaahbal]

Is this e-personal??

[Tune]

Is this e-personal??

yeah , a lttle bit

although im not spamming about it, im a little mad about getting banned over turning attack on, running blindly into a tunnel w/bard speed, and hitting tab target

wouldnt u?

[heartbrand]

games not over

i will still crush these cry babies by what ever means necessary, burrowed characters , alts, w/what ever i can

if i quit = they win

$600,000 waiting for you. You said ALL the bids have been rigged, so this should be really easy to provide proof of?

[Mac Dretti]

$600,000 offered Tune if you can support any evidence that the bidding has been rigged. Looking forward to your proof.


Hahahaha



Hahaha that's got to be one of the most pathetic things ever to grace these boards

Whew that was a good chrotle. Thanks for being you.

[Meow]

[QUOTE=Tune;1290041]yeah , a lttle bit

im a little mad QUOTE]

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[Kaahbal]

yeah , a lttle bit

although im not spamming about it, im a little mad about getting banned over turning attack on, running blindly into a tunnel w/bard speed, and hitting tab target

wouldnt u?

Wait what, u get banned for killing someone on CR by accident?

Tell me details, ive missed out.

[Tune]

$600,000 waiting for you. You said ALL the bids have been rigged, so this should be really easy to provide proof of?

can't wait to collect on this shit

hope your guildies dont talk to each other

[Mac Dretti]

I'll bet you a Jillion dollars if u prof it!!!

Sounds like the little whiney rich kid in the neighborhood looking for acceptance and for people to think he's got worth

[heartbrand]

Hahahaha



Hahaha that's got to be one of the most pathetic things ever to grace these boards

Whew that was a good chrotle. Thanks for being you.

I agree, baseless accusations with zero proof to try to propaganda war a new and upcoming guild IS pathetic. Thanks!

[heartbrand]

can't wait to collect on this shit

hope your guildies dont talk to each other

Why wait? EVERY bid has been rigged so far according to you. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Just post proof right now, what is there to wait on?

[Tune]

Wait what, u get banned for killing someone on CR by accident?

Tell me details, ive missed out.

its all over the boards dude im not redoing a week of posts

[Meow]

its all over the boards dude im not redoing a week of posts

otherwise:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D2__HdsjZFA/THUYiTahAII/AAAAAAAABis/RtRWDZalJys/s400/angry-man_on_computer.jpg

[Meow]

Im filling in for Retti today.

[Mac Dretti]

I agree, baseless accusations with zero proof to try to propaganda war a new and upcoming guild IS pathetic. Thanks!

http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new-thumbnail/ehow/images/a01/ug/uq/use-tampon-800x800.jpg

[Snufz]

All Tune does is make claims without any prof, even a screenshot.

That's a common occurance on these board, baseless accusations.

You'd think that all these hacking, boxing, cheating, corpse camping, bind camping, DKP hijacking, item stealing, account destroying claims would have at least 1 shred of prof?

Just like a woman.

[Tune]

Why wait? EVERY bid has been rigged so far according to you. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Just post proof right now, what is there to wait on?

no dude no proof

i was saying that you can rig every bid to point out flaws in the system

and knowing your history, i wouldnt put it past you

but i will sit here dreaming of my 600 large when the prof does arrise, thanks

[Meow]

but i will sit here dreaming about tune, thanks

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/960/banned.jpg

[DrRoach]

$600,000 offered Tune if you can support any evidence that the bidding has been rigged. Looking forward to your proof.

P.s. "character of people", kind of like how Nizzar sold green scales to Sektor for $150? Oh shit didn't know about that one? Kind of like how it's closed door officer shady loot decisions? Bid DKP is the fairest item system in existence. It's the free market. There's no secrets. You get to decide what an item is worth to you. You want to save up for that Vulak item and go all in to get it first blowing your DKP load? Go for it. You want to go for the medium upgrade approach scooping up some nice upgrades that aren't BiS but good enough? Go for it. You want to be the hoarder who waits to get items but then can scoop up a lot of them? Go for it. It forces you to make decisions about how you want to gear your character and what's important to you. On live, I wanted the headed off The First Creation to create the Shawl 2.0 which was the best item in the game. I saved up an expansion worth of DKP so I could be the first world wide tank in the game with it. I dropped my entire DKP load to get it, while others got many more upgrades than me who decided to go for different approaches. Bid DKP allows you to decide the approach to take.

Looking forward to your prof


I agree, baseless accusations with zero proof to try to propaganda war a new and upcoming guild IS pathetic. Thanks!

[Pikrib]

Doesn't the Bible say something along the lines of beware of the people (Nihilum loot council) who meet behind closed doors.

See, even the Bible tells you not to join Nihilum.

On a serious not though Red Dawn's loot system is one of the fairest/most transparent loot systems I have ever been in on EQ. I just have always prefered a DKP system to loot council. I dont like having to kiss officers/guildleaders arse to get loot. DKP=You put in the work u get the loot its that simple.

[heartbrand]

I also love the system as the administrator because I don't have to deal with the tears of all the people when I award an item to someone. But that's kind of the problem with all central planned economies isn't it? Praise capitalism, Praise bid dkp, Praise red dawn.

[Kaahbal]

Pras

[Sektor]

pras

[Mac Dretti]

The Polish Ambassador - Float with Me

[mcappy]

I also love the system as the administrator because I don't have to deal with the tears of all the people when I award an item to someone. But that's kind of the problem with all central planned economies isn't it? Praise capitalism, Praise bid dkp, Praise red dawn.

...This thread was started specifically because of tears brought forth by your system.

[heartbrand]

...This thread was started specifically because of tears brought forth by your system.

Actually, it was a thread started by Smedy with incomplete information, and has zero to do with the loot system. Thanks, I do teach the LSAT on the side, which includes a section on reading comprehension.

[Mac Dretti]

Gonna tell them ur an elf simulator

[freez]

if i quit = they win




lol what the fuk

[Rhuobhe]

Rather than go into a long rant about how that system is stacked against new members (more specifically, newer players on the server), I'll just say that your wall of text there made my decision a lot easier.

<-- Newer player. BENEFITING

[Rellapse36]

Sounds like Nilly is just jealous of a better loot system.

[Kaahbal]

Inc massive wave of apps from nilly to RD.

Its like the citizens of North Korea accidentaly getting told how the rest of the world functions.

I wouldnt wanna be Kim-Jong Pierre now.

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

the real kicker is all the lifelosers that neutered themselves to suck nizzar's dick to get gear could have gotten it outside of nihilum if they just stopped seling out and started a dkp website

I offered to do it for lite for free but he said it wasn't needed, hence why azrael retained no one, because a loot council is bullshit.

[chu]

mo pixels mo problems

[Feniggles]

Sounds like Nilly is just jealous of a better loot system.

i'm apping as soon as i get epic.

[BrobbVZ]

I'll see you on the good side again soon Feniggles ;) Or maybe ze next box

[Silent]

So red dawn DKP system massively flawed, CHECK.

red dawn members continue to msg friends in and out of guild(even nihilum members) saying how bad the loot system is and how certain people are toxic to the guild, CHECK.

Red dawn all together does NOT have the fairest loot system on the server, CHECK.

What did we learn here? Red Dawn members, Just farm items and sell them for dkp. Then only show up to the important raids to get that good item. Bonus if you level an extra char to 60 for what is it, +50dkp for having a alt 60? Yaw yaw YAW

[Rellapse36]

Stick to the thing you're good at..stealing pixels off of peoples accounts.

[Silent]

Got prof? Didn't think so, Stick to what you know best. Training trakanon raids and being bad. prof=video taken and YT records. U so bad u mad

[freez]

Got prof? Didn't think so, Stick to what you know best. Training trakanon raids and being bad. prof=video taken and YT records. U so bad u mad

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/Sskape1/derucrop1_zpsad512b71.png (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/Sskape1/media/derucrop1_zpsad512b71.png.html)

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dat prof

[heartbrand]

So red dawn DKP system massively flawed, CHECK.

red dawn members continue to msg friends in and out of guild(even nihilum members) saying how bad the loot system is and how certain people are toxic to the guild, CHECK.

Red dawn all together does NOT have the fairest loot system on the server, CHECK.

What did we learn here? Red Dawn members, Just farm items and sell them for dkp. Then only show up to the important raids to get that good item. Bonus if you level an extra char to 60 for what is it, +50dkp for having a alt 60? Yaw yaw YAW

So much dumb in this post. It's bid dkp, there's no massive flaw. If you don't like bid dkp, then that's your choice, but I'll take that over a loot council every day of the week.

There's no farming items allowed for dkp. There's a system that allows the selling of gear you upgrade from to be put back into the guild via auction. A system that rewards assisting and making the guild stronger. Literally only three people have chosen to do so. Two of whom are some of the highest RA members in the guild.

There is a bonus for being sixty, as there should be, since level 60 is the most important thing you can do in this game for both pve and pvp, and it allowed a starting pile of dkp to bid with.

Many people who were at the top of the dkp system a week ago are already at the bottom now. And that's the whole point. It's the friendliest system to newer members in a MMO and to those players who are from a time zone that things don't spawn on as often. Even though their RA may be low they can still save up for the item they want.

There is no flaw in capitalism but there are tears. Some people can't handle the notion that they need to decide what an item is worth to them, and would prefer some fat nerd decides who gets what. Personally, I don't care for fat nerds. But I do like capitalism.

I'm sure there's a couple of pixel whores upset spreading bs, as there are in every guild (heard gyno wasn't too happy about the sow sword). Some people will always be mad if they are not the ones getting every item. That's a MMO for you though.

Wouldn't it be nice to decide you'd like to save up for an AoN, not spend any of your dkp on other items, and go all in for it? Or a crown of rile? Or be allowed to main switch at a dkp penalty but then spend the rest of your hard earned dkp rather than accumulate a meaningless number? I sure think so. Sorry you disagree pal but your opinion isn't a fact, it's an opinion. I believe in empowering the individual members and I respect and have enough faith in them that they know what to do with their dkp. I wish you continued success, however, with the nihilum nanny state approach. I hear nancy pelosi has endorsed your system!

[Tune]

It's the friendliest system to newer members in a MMO and to those players who are from a time zone that things don't spawn on as often.

you claim it capitalist, but this is the most socialist thing u can say

friendly to new players? what about the vets and neckbeards that are actually showing up to raids and carrying the guild?

our system still the better

even the new one we are using in velious is better

god shut up already

[Tune]

Or be allowed to main switch at a dkp penalty but then spend the rest of your hard earned dkp rather than accumulate a meaningless number?

was also going to say shouldnt even be allowed

with the invested no drop gear into a toon

[Sektor]

Wow that Freez screenshot is game over,why isn't Agatha and Jupe at the very least suspended for 6 months?

[Eslade]

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1103/capitalism-socialism-and-communism-spelled-out-in-their-pros-political-poster-1299682478.jpg

Which one would Nihilum fall under? hmmm.
I find it pretty weird that you guys are so Gung ho about your DKP resetting to zero when velious comes out.

http://freedombunker.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/capitalism-duck.jpg

[Stasis01]

This server and the loser Nihilum's that dedicate their lives to controlling it exhaust me.

Good on you HB - don't let it burn you out pal, we all know they will go this hard forever, as it is their entire lives.

Systems good, systems fun - Quiet was a faggot, called him out a few times for being a bleeding vagina, no doubt he's the first drama faggot from RD.

[Eslade]

friendly to new players? what about the vets and neckbeards that are actually showing up to raids and carrying the guild?


If you are a vet/neckbeard, then you should have a ton of DKP from attending raids. Which you can either save or spend your DKP however you see fit.

I'll give you two real world examples using our two loot systems.
Red Dawn:
You work at your job and you save your money. You go on Ebay and outbid the other people for a new computer with the money that you earned, the computer arrives in the mail.

Nihilum:
You work at your job and you save your money. You go on Ebay, you outbid the other people for a new computer with the the money that you earned, but the guy selling it decides that someone else with less to bid with deserves it more than you for one reason or another. Better luck next time.

Our way is better, sorry.

[Stasis01]

So red dawn DKP system massively flawed, CHECK.

red dawn members continue to msg friends in and out of guild(even nihilum members) saying how bad the loot system is and how certain people are toxic to the guild, CHECK.

Red dawn all together does NOT have the fairest loot system on the server, CHECK.

What did we learn here? Red Dawn members, Just farm items and sell them for dkp. Then only show up to the important raids to get that good item. Bonus if you level an extra char to 60 for what is it, +50dkp for having a alt 60? Yaw yaw YAW

I like going to raids and building currency that I can buy rare/second hand raid items from for alts, as that's the main fun I have from the game.

System works good, showing up to Nihi once your max geared to forever farm gear for Nizzar's bank is lame - to each their own. I'd rather quit the game, but I just decided to leave that lame fuck guild.

[heartbrand]

The top neckbeards will still get the majority of the loot, or the loot they value most in bid dkp also. It's just that in a bid dkp system you get to decide what an item is worth to you. It being the first person to have a shawl of protection is important to you and you're willing to go all in, at the expense of multiple other upgrades, than the system allows you to do so. Some people will make "dumb" decisions from a min/max standpoint, others will be penalized for trying to be the first to get each item at a huge premium, it's all up to the player. And that's the beauty of the system. It's up to you to decide what something is truly worth to you. Shrug.

And for those who hate on main switches and alts, there's a reason Nihilum burns through members. If you stop giving a reason for your top members to show up, they'll stop doing so. There's a one month loot sit out at 25% dkp hit, but if you're willing to do so you can switch and work on your next character.

[Tune]

its way too likely underground stuff will happen with your system, from leadership or players

sorry items should have set prices

i win again

[Rellapse36]

Keep farming plat to buy pixels you helped kill LOL idiots

[heartbrand]

Not really, you're just stating opinions as fact, a common logical fallacy. You keep talking about "underground" actions with zero proof to back up your claim, despite an outstanding offer of 600k for proof. Thanks though!

[Eslade]

its way too likely underground stuff will happen with your system, from leadership or players

sorry items should have set prices

i win again

I don't get how underground stuff would be possible. We have spreadsheets of everyone's stats in the guild including how much DKP they have. You can't really manipulate the systems without a MASSIVE conspiracy going on.

You bid 120 dkp for a CoF and get outbid, the person that outbid you will lose the dkp they just spent and you'll see it.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.

[Rellapse36]

Nilly just mad their loot system is garbage. Haters gonna Hate

[Tune]

I don't get how underground stuff would be possible. We have spreadsheets of everyone's stats in the guild including how much DKP they have. You can't really manipulate the systems without a MASSIVE conspiracy going on.

You bid 120 dkp for a CoF and get outbid, the person that outbid you will lose the dkp they just spent and you'll see it.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35g5r2

[Tune]

I don't get how underground stuff would be possible. We have spreadsheets of everyone's stats in the guild including how much DKP they have. You can't really manipulate the systems without a MASSIVE conspiracy going on.

You bid 120 dkp for a CoF and get outbid, the person that outbid you will lose the dkp they just spent and you'll see it.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2f/2fd7ca586d03166b0c8aca26a66a72e99c7286ed4fa7782f9e c8a26482f0039e.jpg

[Eslade]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2f/2fd7ca586d03166b0c8aca26a66a72e99c7286ed4fa7782f9e c8a26482f0039e.jpg

Apparently.
Tune \/
http://cdn8.keeptalkinggreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg

[Rellapse36]

double post Tune mad he has to farm plat to buy pixels

[Mac Dretti]

600k for proof. Thanks though!

$600,000 USD for evidence to be presented in a Hobbit land trial

http://genyculture.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/techie.jpg

[Silent]

So much dumb in this post. It's bid dkp, there's no massive flaw. If you don't like bid dkp, then that's your choice, but I'll take that over a loot council every day of the week.

There's no farming items allowed for dkp. There's a system that allows the selling of gear you upgrade from to be put back into the guild via auction. A system that rewards assisting and making the guild stronger. Literally only three people have chosen to do so. Two of whom are some of the highest RA members in the guild.

There is a bonus for being sixty, as there should be, since level 60 is the most important thing you can do in this game for both pve and pvp, and it allowed a starting pile of dkp to bid with.

Many people who were at the top of the dkp system a week ago are already at the bottom now. And that's the whole point. It's the friendliest system to newer members in a MMO and to those players who are from a time zone that things don't spawn on as often. Even though their RA may be low they can still save up for the item they want.

There is no flaw in capitalism but there are tears. Some people can't handle the notion that they need to decide what an item is worth to them, and would prefer some fat nerd decides who gets what. Personally, I don't care for fat nerds. But I do like capitalism.

I'm sure there's a couple of pixel whores upset spreading bs, as there are in every guild (heard gyno wasn't too happy about the sow sword). Some people will always be mad if they are not the ones getting every item. That's a MMO for you though.

Wouldn't it be nice to decide you'd like to save up for an AoN, not spend any of your dkp on other items, and go all in for it? Or a crown of rile? Or be allowed to main switch at a dkp penalty but then spend the rest of your hard earned dkp rather than accumulate a meaningless number? I sure think so. Sorry you disagree pal but your opinion isn't a fact, it's an opinion. I believe in empowering the individual members and I respect and have enough faith in them that they know what to do with their dkp. I wish you continued success, however, with the nihilum nanny state approach. I hear nancy pelosi has endorsed your system!

tl;dr bait taken, next.

[vouss]

you have proof?

[jeffd]

quiet apped rd immediately after i killed him in kc while a full grp of his azrael guildmates stood next 2 him

slew him so hard it ripped his guildtag clean off

boy ain't got no luck

[Nirgon]

Heartbrand you destroy any loot in front of people yet

[Sektor]

Heartbrand you destroy any loot in front of people yet

loled

[SamwiseRed]

Heartbrand you destroy any loot in front of people yet

ouch

[s1ckness]

Nihilum won't hand you the bow either without the sky pearl. No one does. You bid on the final product, not the individual pieces. Shit ain't difficult.

[Smedy]

3000+ views

i still got it

[Vamael]

pandemonium had best loot system. Loot council....they still took into consideration raid attendance.

[Silent]

3000+ views

i still got it

get dat lifetap quest DONE SON then u got it naw mean

[chu]

http://genyculture.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/techie.jpg

lold at pic

p.s. whats wrong with destroying loot? i destroy loot in front of people all the time

(those people aren't in my guild tho)

[Gaffin 3.0]

lold at pic

p.s. whats wrong with destroying loot? i destroy loot in front of people all the time

(those people aren't in my guild tho)

lmao indeed you do i was there, poor monk *cough*

[Tubzy]

I always liked this system in WoW(don't hate)
http://www.wowwiki.com/EPGP

Would take some number crunching to make it work in EQ though. Prevents DKP hoarding and helps newbies get a shot at loot without any complex system.

Here's some highlights of it copy-pasted from the wiki:

EP hoarding
This problem is non-existent in EPGP because of the use of the EP and GP decay. Only temporal EP and GP are accounted; the later you "use" your PR lead, the less benefit you receive. The earlier you take an item, the faster its value will decay.

New members vs veterans
Because of the decay, new members become equal under the system much faster. EPs decay over time so with a 10% decay in about 15 raids a veteran has about the same EP as a new member (if they both attended the same raids). The only barrier to entry for new members is reaching Min EPs in order to be eligible for loot.

Members that are geared up vs members that are not
Members that are geared up already will end up with the highest PR possible and will have first priority over a new (and possibly rare) drop. This will satisfy these members. Members that are not geared up already will end up getting loot in most raids which will keep their priority low. So they will still gear up but they will not threaten members that wait for a special piece to drop in order to get their satisfaction as well.

[RoguePhantom]

Isnt quiet, Lite?

[Mac Dretti]

Isnt quiet, Lite?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196fuarapyylmgif/ku-xlarge.gif

[Edgat]

Actually the system is incredibly better for newer players are you dense? In nihilum you are about three years worth of dkp behind the top 25 raiders. You will be 100th in line for vulak loot. In a bid dkp system people have to spend their dkp meaning you could be on top within a month. You decide what items are important to you.

Puddems and Hashtag both top 20 been in guild about 7 months so false

[Sektor]

Puddems and Hashtag both top 20 been in guild about 7 months so false

you're both also single and jobless and never miss raids

[DrRoach]

you're both also single and jobless and never miss raids

says the guy linking draco loot at 10am on a monday. just saying glass houses man

[Sektor]

says the guy linking draco loot at 10am on a monday. just saying glass houses man

draco raid was 15 mins long and I didn't have work till 11.

[Quiet]

Never apped to Nihilum.

Definitely not a fan of the loot system without significant tweeks.

Just saw this thread was here??

Give me skybow and epics. Thx.

[Quiet]

Oh and keep tune banned. K thx.