It's time for the bazaar...

[Swish]

Sorry pals but the speed of the EC spam this evening is ridiculous, and the faster it gets, the more people spammed again to get their auctions to the front. Then you got those fat cats who like to spam 4-5 lines at once.

150 out of 750 in EC. It's time to make some changes...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nay31hvEvrY)
http://www.losanjealous.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/tupac.gif

[Vidar]

NO! The day the bazaar comes to P99 is the day i quit P99. The Bazaar is one of the worst things to happen to EQ. Not to mention it was a horrible design. You'd be better off putting in an actual auction house(like in WoW) instead of the bazaar.

[Swish]

NO! The day the bazaar comes to P99 is the day i quit P99. The Bazaar is one of the worst things to happen to EQ. Not to mention it was a horrible design. You'd be better off putting in an actual auction house(like in WoW) instead of the bazaar.

What about a compromise? Trader stands lining EC tunnel walls? It's at the point where its hard to read the items on everyone's items before they disappear off the page...and get out of here with your auction house, you gotta be trolling me? ;)

[Wrathis]

Its gotten to the point where ahungry is the only way to even use EC. There is so much spam right now I cant even click things accurately.

[odiecat99]

Bazaar? That really chaps my ass! How dare j00

[Ciel]

This post hurts my heart.

You used to be cool, Swish..You used to be cool.

[Swish]

This post hurts my heart.

You used to be cool, Swish..You used to be cool.

Nothing stays the same pals, I'm still Jenny from the block etc... but Wrathis is totally right, its hard to accurately click items the way it is. Check it out yourselves, people spamming harder, better, faster, stronger :mad:

[Tecmos Deception]

wru not classic swish gif?

[Vidar]

My problem with the Bazaar was that you have mostly afk people being 'merchants'. I prefer wheeling and dealing. You cant do that with an afk player. Not to mention i will not leave eq running 24/7 trying to sell stuff. How they got the bazaar so wrong ill never know. WoW got it right. Its sad...

Just make an auction house like Wow or Diablo 3 where you post stuff for sale and leave and play the game. Later you come and pick up your money if it sold.

Any kind of bazaar or auction house is the total opposite of EC so they shouldnt try and keep it EC-like. It wont be. If you try and make an auction house or bazaar like EC ...but not... it will be shit just like it was on live.

[sox7d]

if you want convenient and interactionless trading, i heard <EVERY OTHER FUCKING MMO> was good for that. check it out sometime

[Sarius]

Nothing stays the same pals, I'm still Jenny from the block etc... but Wrathis is totally right, its hard to accurately click items the way it is. Check it out yourselves, people spamming harder, better, faster, stronger :mad:

I love you Swish, but I hate the bazaar...it ruined EQ for me.

Can you please bring back the sled dog Velious gif????

[Swish]

Then maybe EC needs to be coded so that people can only use a public channel (auc/shout/ooc) once every 15/20/30/x seconds...slow the spam down. It's too fast :p

I'll look for the sled dog gif, I think I might have lost it though when Rogean stole our guestbooks (had them all stored/linked there at the time) :(

[Millburn]

NO SWISH

http://i.imgur.com/1gBWIug.gif

[Pint]

ec is thriving and spam is too fast to read, sounds excellent

[Swish]

NO SWISH

http://i.imgur.com/1gBWIug.gif

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/372/3721937/2375575-tumblr_m2qjbjeul11qe2c25.gif

I've been outgif'd :p

[Gaffin 3.0]

just make a auction spam limit per 2 mins, problem solved

[Hailto]

Swish, is "fat cat" your catch phrase?

[Itap]

Lol, was just thinking the exact same thing, Swish

[Swish]

Swish, is "fat cat" your catch phrase?

http://i.imgur.com/FQAZave.gif

I use it a lot to describe people who want to knock 50% off your asking price then resell it for twice what you were selling it for in the first place. Those people live in EC, and spam 3-4 lines at once with different items...and are the main source of the problem.

Nice that EC thrives, no problem with that... but if someone new to P99 zones into EC with only their main window, good luck to them looking for what their group is trying to say to them at orc 1, not to mention clicking/learning what stats are on items ;)

[Hailto]

They will have to learn to adapt, part of eq.

[Swish]

They will have to learn to adapt, part of eq.

That's just an aside... the main problem is the speed that people post and repost the same auctions, particularly the fat cats who all try to outdo each other. Put a timer on them or give them another selling option imo :p

[Hailto]

Use the auction tracker man, so much easier, no need to even look at auction chat in game.

[element08]

/ignore works pretty well to slow things down

[Hailto]

http://ahungry.com/eqauctions/

All your problems are solved. Search for what item you want, ignore auction. Profit.

[Dirtnap]

I would like them to allow the /trader functions in EC or somewhere.

People say that haggling is what made the EC tunnel so great, but I can't ever get anyone to haggle with me at all.

If you are selling X for 1000pp, I'm coming in with a lowball offer of 700pp or so. Which means you should come back with an offer of 900pp or so, not to ignore my offer.

[Hinshi Budou]

OP: you do know how to create new window and filter it I hope?
If you have done this and chat is too fast... quit elfquest brother, you're too slow to compete.

[Swish]

OP: you do know how to create new window and filter it I hope?
If you have done this and chat is too fast... quit elfquest brother, you're too slow to compete.

I might have learnt to filter auctions into a specific window yeah. However its the spam of just the auctions we're dealing with here. Do keep up ;)

Having to block/filter individual sellers isn't productive if tomorrow/the day after they're selling something I'm after.

Point taken on ahungry... but the tracker doesn't run 24/7 (because there isn't always someone uploading data every minute).

[odiecat99]

Lold.

[jpetrick]

I am in favor of a bazaar. Sitting in EC sucks ass.

[Tecmos Deception]

ec is thriving and spam is too fast to read, sounds excellent

Anyone who is serious about buying something just sits in there for 30 min then opens their log and control + fs anyways!

[StinkyGreenBud]

NO

[Vidar]

I am in favor of a bazaar. Sitting in EC sucks ass.

So you'd rather sit in the Bazaar not posting to /Auction and just waiting for people to come find you to buy stuff?

[Wrathis]

So you'd rather sit in the Bazaar not posting to /Auction and just waiting for people to come find you to buy stuff?

I think he was more on the buyer side of having to sit and wait to see if someone might be selling what you're looking for at a reasonable price. I could be wrong but sitting here all day rather than playing kinda sucks. Hell some people used to like the Bazaar because they could leave it up while they're at work.

[loramin]

Swish, I <3 your gifs, and I think you have identified a very real problem that a lot of people can agree on. I even like the idea of the "EC bazaar", and once Velious is done and the dev teams turns their sites on quality custom content, I nominate putting the "EC bazaar" at the top of the list.

All that being said, I think you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting any kind of bazaar implemented here before Velious (and all of the post-Velious patches) are complete. It's just too contrary to the core purpose of the server: Classic Everquest.

[Vidar]

I think he was more on the buyer side of having to sit and wait to see if someone might be selling what you're looking for at a reasonable price. I could be wrong but sitting here all day rather than playing kinda sucks. Hell some people used to like the Bazaar because they could leave it up while they're at work.

True, BUUUTTT an auction house is better in every way. Want to sell items while you are at work? Auction house does it better. No leaving your comp on for hours. No setting up your character again after a disconnect or the power goes out or windows updates that restart your comp...etc. The Bazaar was shit. And when this guy tries to sell something in the bazaar he will change his tune very quickly. Not to mention on live it was a ploy to get people to pay for another account so they could play and sell at the same time. It was BS.

[Swish]

I think you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting any kind of bazaar implemented here before Velious (and all of the post-Velious patches) are complete. It's just too contrary to the core purpose of the server: Classic Everquest.

I'm aware of that... but something needs to be done to slow down the spam and stop people climbing over each other's auctions to be at the front. Impose a 20-30 second minimum gap between using public channels in EC during peak hours, or when the EC population goes over a certain number, that's gotta be a short-term fix :p

[Wrathis]

True, BUUUTTT an auction house is better in every way. Want to sell items while you are at work? Auction house does it better. No leaving your comp on for hours. No setting up your character again after a disconnect or the power goes out or windows updates that restart your comp...etc. The Bazaar was shit. And when this guy tries to sell something in the bazaar he will change his tune very quickly. Not to mention on live it was a ploy to get people to pay for another account so they could play and sell at the same time. It was BS.

I can't argue with that at all. I agree 110%, if we could have some sort of AH i'd love it. Its not "classic" but I'm willing to enjoy quality of life changes.

[Swish]

Want classic? Remove item links in chat... (then watch people whine about wanting item links back)

[Xelris]

My problem with the Bazaar was that you have mostly afk people being 'merchants'. I prefer wheeling and dealing. You cant do that with an afk player. Not to mention i will not leave eq running 24/7 trying to sell stuff. How they got the bazaar so wrong ill never know. WoW got it right. Its sad...

Just make an auction house like Wow or Diablo 3 where you post stuff for sale and leave and play the game. Later you come and pick up your money if it sold.

Yes, they got it right.

They got it so right that you could practically automate selling your shit. In fact, you can! When you compete on those systems, you're up against a relentless undercutting machine that takes almost all the dynamics out of selling pixels. It also encourages, directly and indirectly, "gold farming".

I honestly don't even like the fact that we have an auction tracker that some people refuse to deviate from at all, which takes liquidity away from a true supply/demand barter system except for some super-high demand items, but that's the way it's done here (and yes, it is convenient).

[formallydickman]

Want classic? Remove item links in chat... (then watch people whine about wanting item links back)

totes justifies bazaar

[rollin5k]

Stay classy.

Stay classic.

[myxomatosii]

Cap EC msgs to 1 msg per minute in /auc.

The faster you spam the faster I have to spam so people see my shit... stack, stack, stack.

You get the deal.

[webrunner5]

Cap EC msgs to 1 msg per minute in /auc.

The faster you spam the faster I have to spam so people see my shit... stack, stack, stack.

You get the deal.

Yeah, that is the problem. They will spam even more lol. :eek: But Swish does have a point. Something need to be done. Imagine if we get 2,000 people on here. :(

[Dirtnap]

Cap EC msgs to 1 msg per minute in /auc.

The faster you spam the faster I have to spam so people see my shit... stack, stack, stack.

You get the deal.

I agree with this. Limiting Auction channel to once per minute would reduce spam heavily.

[tristantio]

On http://ahungry.com/eqauctions/ it shows the EC /auc channel (actually, it would show any /auc's caught anywhere if people ran the logger at all times), with a limit of the last 3 /auc's of any one character.

Then, you can filter it down by item names, or by item stats (under advanced search).

If you'd like to see any other changes, let me know! I love coding and making things people find useful :D

Also - if you notice it is not current and you are trying to shop in EC, for the love of all, download the log uploader, run it, and type /log!

[Rhambuk]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/WrxoaVPiq0cG4/200.gif

[Portasaurus]

All auctioning should be limited to the SAY channel.

This would clearly be the most realistic solution.

[odiecat99]

Why not bring cats to the server.
Thats the day I hang up my "boots"..

Shits not classic.

[odiecat99]

This man gets me

While the weirdos sit around and undercut every single fuckin thing you posted by 1pp to stick it in your exhaust pipe.

[jarshale]

If my auctions get bumped off too fast due to spam, I just spam harder. Shits classic.

[odiecat99]

On http://ahungry.com/eqauctions/ it shows the EC /auc channel (actually, it would show any /auc's caught anywhere if people ran the logger at all times), with a limit of the last 3 /auc's of any one character.

Then, you can filter it down by item names, or by item stats (under advanced search).

If you'd like to see any other changes, let me know! I love coding and making things people find useful :D

Also - if you notice it is not current and you are trying to shop in EC, for the love of all, download the log uploader, run it, and type /log!

You realize I could easily edit my logs before uploading to site? I do love the site though sir.

[Vidar]

Yes, they got it right.

They got it so right that you could practically automate selling your shit. In fact, you can! When you compete on those systems, you're up against a relentless undercutting machine that takes almost all the dynamics out of selling pixels. It also encourages, directly and indirectly, "gold farming".

I honestly don't even like the fact that we have an auction tracker that some people refuse to deviate from at all, which takes liquidity away from a true supply/demand barter system except for some super-high demand items, but that's the way it's done here (and yes, it is convenient).

I totally agree about the auction tracker and the undercutting. The thing is even with a bazaar that would happen. so you might as well do a real auction house. Id prefer to just leave it as EC. Im not saying EC cant be improved on. I'm just saying its better than the Bazaar or an auction house.

[odiecat99]

I totally agree about the auction tracker and the undercutting. The thing is even with a bazaar that would happen. so you might as well do a real auction house. Id prefer to just leave it as EC. Im not saying EC cant be improved on. I'm just saying its better than the Bazaar or an auction house.

I say leave EC alone and download gamtxttriggers... problem solved.

[NextGenesis88]

All auctioning should be limited to the SAY channel.

This would clearly be the most realistic solution.

I always wondered why they didn't use say. Makes sense. Want to buy and sell? Go to the tunnel. Not much of a difference except you have to be in range.

[odiecat99]

Its fine the way it is. If someone is spamming overboard I just ignore them. Idgaf.

[Mehrk]

Why not simply scroll the chatbox up? The chatbox doesn't scroll when you have it scrolled up, so how is not being able to click an item(because you won't scroll up one time) reason enough to implement bazaar? Sounds like someone just wasn't paying enough attention and missed a sweet deal on phat lewts with all the spam. We've all been there. Just use ahungry and ignore the people with 9 line macros.

[tristantio]

You realize I could easily edit my logs before uploading to site? I do love the site though sir.

Yes, it is possible. If it happened I would probably have to limit uploading access to only those I would trust to do it.

It would be a 5 minute inconvenience, the tracker would still be fine ;)

[odiecat99]

Yes, it is possible. If it happened I would probably have to limit uploading access to only those I would trust to do it.

It would be a 5 minute inconvenience, the tracker would still be fine ;)

I've never edited logs, seems mad sad and bad to do so. I often afk at night and leave auction open and the app you use. Useful for finding items the next day, and you can find good deals too.

Thank you for this service friend.

[odiecat99]

Also due to douchebaggery and recent raidscene meltdown, logs are ran on all chars at all times.
Like I said helpful as hell. Plus the parser I use is very good.

fraps only a key click away... so sad. :^/

[Jimjam]

As someone who doesn't really engage with the EC minigame I have a few questions regarding comments against bazaar/auction house systems.

How is undercutting a problem with bazaar? If someone wants to sell quicker than you and is willing to take less pp how does that go against supply / demand?

Also, if people that are willing to sell quicker/more cheaply than you are able to restock their items before you can make a sell how does that go against supply / demand?

[Shaakglith12194]

No bazaar, please. Like, ever. There are plenty of tools such as the EC tunnel forum and ahungry.com. You can't read fast enough? Too bad, read more and you'll read faster. Can't click fast enough? The wiki shows item stats, as does ahungry. Bazaar is a terrible idea and so is an EC bazaar. You're complaining about people undercutting, but what do you think will happen if I can search to see all the prices of the items I'm selling before I sell them? I'll undercut you by 1pp and make the sale, as will everyone else, until 10k worth of items today is worth 2k in a week. A 30 second or 1 minute delay on auctions is a decent enough idea, but it's also not all good. I never go to EC with less than a dozen items to sell, and that never fits into one trade post.

[innocent51]

I would hate to see a bazaar.

[Coridan]

Limit auction channel to /say range, people will soread out more in the tunnel and you can walk around hearing everyones spel. maybe people selling 50+ gear stay to one area and those selling stuff meadured in pp not kpp the other side.

Would feel more like a real bazaar too

[Swish]

/say range etc.... doesn't solve the spam problem if you're wanting to read the auctions.

Bazaar or no bazaar, something needs to be done because the rate some people spam isn't fair on other auctioneers and encourages faster spam generally. If the server continues to grow, it'll get worse... and it's a matter of time before more threads on this topic come up.

Maybe the bazaar isn't the best solution, but fire a warning shot at those who spam too quickly.

[Lemiddar]

Perhaps I'm odd, but I enjoyed Bazaar AND old school EC. They both have their advantages. That said, I'd hate to see Bazaar here on p99 the way it was on Live. When I signed up the thing I wanted to see/do/experience the most was classic EC. I was disappointed to see item links, but hey.

I wouldn't mind seeing Nexus / Bazaar opened up as zones (minus the mounts, for the love of god...) but without /trader mode. It'd be nice to have a bank in the main server auction zone, lighten the auction spam, and get rid of coin weight. Those are things I would buy that convenience outweighs "classic" gameplay. Or heck, just have the spires take you directly to Bazaar and leave Nexus out of the picture.

Either way I agree this debate is better saved for the custom content era of the server.

[Lanzellot]

all addons after velious are really dumbshit from SOE.
i agree when ever the bazaar or luclin hits project 1999 i quit too.

[Coridan]

As much as I hated the Nexus, Luclin had some good early and mid level zones. Netherbian was great hunting. I woulda just rather had playable Kerra instead of the Vah Shir /OT

I still think /say would work to combat spam as long as people spread out like a department store. My biggest problem shopping is the great amount of 1kpp+ gear being spammed making it hard to find the 200pp items. It would be like splitting the auction channel into two or three channels. Spam is not as bad when it is just same ten people repeatedly doing it on one side, and a different ten people on the other side.

[nndiro]

why don't everyone agrees on opening a second trade spot? i read in the past that some people also did business at kelethin, although it's off limits to some KOS chars. but if you have two grand markets, maybe even prices will differ. It would be interesting seeing how pricing by the demand/supply rule works on two different markets. just sayin'

[Swish]

why don't everyone agrees on opening a second trade spot? i read in the past that some people also did business at kelethin, although it's off limits to some KOS chars. but if you have two grand markets, maybe even prices will differ. It would be interesting seeing how pricing by the demand/supply rule works on two different markets. just sayin'

would slow the spam down, but the EC fat cats would /wrists at the thought of missing a bargain.

[Pringles]

Bazaar didn't ruin eq, all the other shit did

[nndiro]

would slow the spam down, but the EC fat cats would /wrists at the thought of missing a bargain.
which makes the experiment interesting. just like in the real world, you might need to move around to get the best deal!

[Destron]

8 Pages when there are tools to help with this and as someone already posted, you can scroll up and stop the spam and you can safely click.

Can't click because the spam is too fast, that's rich.

[Rhambuk]

if im really looking to buy/sell stuff i usually make my chat window HUGE and the spam is barely noticeable.

Also we have the auction tracker which keeps PC spam way down, and the ec forum which is another huge help.

maybe its just me but i dont have much trouble keeping up with the spam.

[Raavak]

Just make an auction house like Wow or Diablo 3 where you post stuff for sale and leave and play the game. Later you come and pick up your money if it sold.Or make an official forum where you can post what you have for sale or want to buy.

[Velerin]

It'd be cool if people would also auction in the next zone over, maybe North Ro. With EC getting bigger and bigger it'd at least split up the spam. Like having Kmart next to Walmart.

[webrunner5]

Bazaar didn't ruin eq, all the other shit did

Luclin in the beginning did not have PoK or PoK stones. But it did have Nexus with Pads for the Spires. And I really liked the original Baazar and I loved a Beastlord. Best class they have ever had. So yeah, I liked Cats on the Moon. Sorry. :o Pok is sort of what ruined the game.

[myxomatosii]

I still recommend limiting auction msgs to 1 per minute per player.

Altho on my mule its setup so I don't have much reason to complain about spam.

http://i.imgur.com/YqB1nj0.jpg

[Swish]

It'd be cool if people would also auction in the next zone over, maybe North Ro. With EC getting bigger and bigger it'd at least split up the spam. Like having Kmart next to Walmart.

I'd lol if IP exemption requests went up :D

[Lord_Snow]

Tips on how to use EC well.

1. Make new chat window
2. Expand new chat window to cover whole screen
3. Use the filter for auc only
4. Use the side bar to regulate pace of auctions.

<3

[WizardEQ]

I still recommend limiting auction msgs to 1 per minute per player.

Best idea EVER but it makes no difference to me b/c I can speed-read! Make it even 5 MINS! Most of us know the precise time that makes repeating our auction acceptable and the shitty goddamn spammers that we just ignore.

The server is not 100% classic and can never be, so everyone shut up with the classic argument, it's so fucking stupid now. Item links are the bomb, noone would ever want them gone.

Rogean has provided us all with something that is so damn close (99.44% pure as Ivory Soap), we should be eternally grateful to him for the chance of re-living something most of us experienced 15 years ago.

[August]

The only things that item links eliminate is the chance for someone to cheat people by lying about the stats to a trusting person.

I remember one time in veliosu when that rod that had the knock-back? Deathbringer's Rod? it was from DN, anyways some guy was listing the stats and didn't mention it was a 2hander... I paid a pretty penny for it and realized it was 2H once I got it.. yeah i lost money. With the wiki and ahungry it makes 0 sense to get rid of the links - you'd just have to take another step using more technology to get the correct information.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Like having Kmart next to Walmart.On Povar we called GFay, Faymart. I used to FD bank in Kelethin with my Troll SK.

[this user was banned]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

[cowjosh]

as has been said numerous times in this thread, player to player transactions (as opposed to afk-trader to player transactions) are an extremely important and distinguishing characteristic of EQ, and the bazaar destroyed that. use larger chat windows and smaller fonts if it goes too fast.

as for item links? you could always check the item in the trade window to see if it was 1h/2h etc before you hit "trade", i never found this to be a problem (only a potential waste of time).

i think if there is one thing we can say we as classic eq players have seen, its that sometimes making "convenient" changes can completely destroy portions of the game that large groups find essential to the flavor of everquest.

[odiecat99]

as has been said numerous times in this thread, player to player transactions (as opposed to afk-trader to player transactions) are an extremely important and distinguishing characteristic of EQ, and the bazaar destroyed that. use larger chat windows and smaller fonts if it goes too fast.

as for item links? you could always check the item in the trade window to see if it was 1h/2h etc before you hit "trade", i never found this to be a problem (only a potential waste of time).

i think if there is one thing we can say we as classic eq players have seen, its that sometimes making "convenient" changes can completely destroy portions of the game that large groups find essential to the flavor of everquest.

I agree and disagree with this statement.

[Clark]

http://ahungry.com/eqauctions/

All your problems are solved.

[Barkingturtle]

I'd suggest we set up a tunnel rotation but that sounds kinda pornographic.

[Lron]

if you want convenient and interactionless trading, i heard <EVERY OTHER FUCKING MMO> was good for that. check it out sometime

hahha well put.

I wont ever play on this server if a bazaar type trading hub is created....thankfully there is .00000000000000000 % chance i will ever have to worry about it.

[Rivthis]

Item links, WTF, bring back the days of 6 bags of item for sale see me at torch 3

[bigash]

Need the pvp arena attached to the EC tunnel

[Clark]

I'd suggest we set up a tunnel rotation but that sounds kinda pornographic.

lol

[Castigate]

Why not just have half of the traders relocate to kelethin like has been suggested, I know on my live server (Solusek Ro) it was the trading hub, and when I came here I found doing business in EC weird at first.

[Champion_Standing]

I would love to see them add the bazaar, and I would love to see people quit over it even more.

[Lemiddar]

Item links, WTF, bring back the days of 6 bags of item for sale see me at torch 3

You're likely being sarcastic, but I miss that to a point. Closest we have is "Selling everything on me" now and then. It forced a lot more interaction. Speaking of which.. I find it amusing that people are arguing against Bazaar because it's largely non-social, but also against the "open my bags in the trade window" approach which is a lot more social. Convenience is a good thing, but not TOO much convenience?

[Pint]

Wts 4 bags of melee and caster gear behind Jades.. Ec sucks and so does kelethin

[Spoonerism]

Maybe it has been asked: But how would we have a bazaar without Luclin?

Or maybe I am just incorrect in the fact that the Bazaar came with the Luclin expansion?

---

Or are you proposing the Bazaar would be EC tunnel and line the walls, like someone mentioned?

/boggle its early and I'm at work.

[Coridan]

The assets are on everyone's clients and they could just attach the zone to anywhere they like, or add their own port spell to it. I doubt they will do it though.

[Spoonerism]

The assets are on everyone's clients and they could just attach the zone to anywhere they like, or add their own port spell to it. I doubt they will do it though.

Ahh yea very good point. I forget that we are running on Titanium, which has what, 10 or so expansions on it?

But in regards to a bazaar, Yes and No. Yes it might be easier, but dang there is just something nostalgic about EC (or Gfay) being the trading area with everyone /auctioning.

[Swish]

People just want to maintain the status quo it seems. People don't want classic (those that do get berated on the forums for suggesting removal of item links etc), but they're totally opposed to any kind of bazaar too.

In summary, you have to tell the people want they want ;)

[drktmplr12]

Shards of Dalaya has an auction hall type system where you target the banker and type a custom command.

More details here:
http://wiki.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php/Listsold

[Dezik]

if you want convenient and interactionless trading, i heard <EVERY OTHER FUCKING MMO> was good for that. check it out sometime

1,000,000 times this. There is a reason why I play here instead of those other MMO's.

[mrtoga]

Why isnt gfay a trade hub as well? Atleast if we spread the market around the need for the bazaar could be placated for now?

[Lisset]

Because almost half of Norrath can't buy or sell there and getting there for them is also a pain in the butt.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

As much as I hate EC for a variety of reasons it gives the game a community feel. In addition, probably over half the server enjoys that aspect of the game.

I will say though, limiting the /auc function would definitely help the spam. You'd have to balance that with the full time vendors who may have multiple lines worth of goodies to sell.

[mrtoga]

I only suggested gfay because that was another old marketplace back in the day. I dunno why truly. But why not spread the market to Nro? Or split the market between low-end and high-end product? I think this is something the players could do but i doubt that we could actually encourage it enough to really bring change. Besides, i'm talking about doing something just as radical as bringing back the bazaar>.>

[Sirken]

bazaar is the devil

L2EC

[Telin]

That was a terribly boring cave. I didn't like the afk buyout-only vendors.

I could see access to the /bazaar window available in ec and major cities where current online players can list their goods for sale in a searchable database but still require meeting to make the transaction.

[Clark]

bazaar is the devil

L2EC

lol

[Coridan]

That was a terribly boring cave. I didn't like the afk buyout-only vendors.

I could see access to the /bazaar window available in ec and major cities where current online players can list their goods for sale in a searchable database but still require meeting to make the transaction.

Bazaar window would be ok, in EC, but no search function. You shojld have to wander and browse. More flea market, less Amazon.

[Tenlaar]

bazaar is the devil

L2EC

Just because we don't want to stoop to the despicable levels that some other traders feel the need to be at doesn't mean that we don't know how to sell items and aren't willing to sell items. We just don't want to sell items like you!

I suggest an EC rotation. Class F (fair) traders can use the tunnel on Mon, Wed, and Fri. Class C (cutthroat) traders can use the tunnel on Tues, Thurs, and Sat. Sunday will remain FFA of course.

[Sirken]

Just because we don't want to stoop to the despicable levels that some other traders feel the need to be at doesn't mean that we don't know how to sell items and aren't willing to sell items. We just don't want to sell items like you!

I suggest an EC rotation. Class F (fair) traders can use the tunnel on Mon, Wed, and Fri. Class C (cutthroat) traders can use the tunnel on Tues, Thurs, and Sat. Sunday will remain FFA of course.

/wrist on


(well played sir. well played)

[Wrathis]

That was a terribly boring cave. I didn't like the afk buyout-only vendors.

I could see access to the /bazaar window available in ec and major cities where current online players can list their goods for sale in a searchable database but still require meeting to make the transaction.

This is something I could actually work with. +1

[twizztid]

Not sure if anyone has said this yet, but spam for ec is pretty easy to manage.... especially if you are on a mule. Making seperate windows for tells, attacks, and auctions will fix your spam quite a bit.

[Mehrk]

I mentioned this several pages back yet it somehow remains on page 1.

Step 1 - Make new chatbox.

Step 2 - Filter "Auction" to new chatbox. Enjoy being able to scroll up without the chatbox moving. If you stay in EC long enough for the chatbox to fill up, proceed to step 3.

Step 3 - Delete chat box.

Step 4 - Repeat steps 1-2.

Step 5 - Never mention bazaar again.

Or, for the truly lazy, you could just improve your reading comprehension and hand-eye coordination.

[quido]

wait what? you can make a new chat box?

[drktmplr12]

for the sake of ease, i just make my main chat box much much larger so that it can't fill up. Not like i need my combat log, hotbars, or char stats

[Sarkhan]

I mentioned this several pages back yet it somehow remains on page 1.

Step 1 - Make new chatbox.

Step 2 - Filter "Auction" to new chatbox. Enjoy being able to scroll up without the chatbox moving. If you stay in EC long enough for the chatbox to fill up, proceed to step 3.

Step 3 - Delete chat box.

Step 4 - Repeat steps 1-2.

Step 5 - Never mention bazaar again.

Or, for the truly lazy, you could just improve your reading comprehension and hand-eye coordination.

Change Step 3 to - type "/clear" in new chat box
skip step 4
Step 5.

[fadetree]

Make a new zone, accessible from all cities by clicking something, oh I dunno like a torch or a pastry or a book on a pedestal, and have it take you to a big cave system with lots of nooks and crannies...that will be the new EC, but no bazaar window just good old auction spam and put like 30 torches along the walls so we can say things like 'WTS: Pants of Irritation, 2200pp T23" and have lots of people go running around saying 'WHERE THE F*CK AM I, IS THAT T22 or T23". It'd be fun. Am I serious? I don't even know anymore.

[Coridan]

Make a new zone, accessible from all cities by clicking something, oh I dunno like a torch or a pastry or a book on a pedestal, and have it take you to a big cave system with lots of nooks and crannies...that will be the new EC, but no bazaar window just good old auction spam and put like 30 torches along the walls so we can say things like 'WTS: Pants of Irritation, 2200pp T23" and have lots of people go running around saying 'WHERE THE F*CK AM I, IS THAT T22 or T23". It'd be fun. Am I serious? I don't even know anymore.

Sounds like PoK, so, please god no. EC tunnel is great, maybe just throw a neutral banker over by Shady Swashbuckler and limit it to /say

[fadetree]

...

In case anyone else gets confused, I was joking.

[NextGenesis88]

Comes to classic server

Doesn't want classic

[Swish]

Comes to classic server

Doesn't want classic

There it is, I knew someone was going to say it.

Item links, not classic.
Playing on more than 56k modems, not classic.
Playing on slimline laptop/flat screen monitors, not classic.
EC trading forum, not classic.

Not a "classic" server, and I'm okay with that.

The point of the thread is the speed of the EC spam at times, it gets so quick because everyone is jumping over each other to be at the fresh end that it's very difficult to accurately click the items you want to look at (even with just auctions in its own window).

We discussed the idea of putting a limit on how often people can talk in public channels in EC, whether it should just be in /say, whether a second trading zone should be used to split it up etc.

Welcome to the thread on page 13, please try to read more than the title.

[fishingme]

have you guys tried re-sizing your chat window? filter out/restrict everything but /auc ?

[Swish]

have you guys tried re-sizing your chat window? filter out/restrict everything but /auc ?

It was pure spam the other night fishing, like you get in a popular Twitch.tv chatroom.

People being lazy and pressing their auction macros with 1-2 items per line:-

WTS: crushbone belts, deathfist belts
WTS: minotaur axes, bone chips
WTS:
WTS:
WTS:

...5 lines of spam.

People maxing the item links they can put in on one auction, then shift+up key and re-doing 3-4 more auctions like that together.

...and the more that happened, the more people reposted, and yeah, shitty times for buyers. This was all in the auction channel.

Put a limit on how soon someone can repost their auctions during busy times (when EC goes over 120-150 or something). I still like the bazaar, y'all hating :p

[fishingme]

It was pure spam the other night fishing, like you get in a popular Twitch.tv chatroom.

People being lazy and pressing their auction macros with 1-2 items per line:-

WTS: crushbone belts, deathfist belts
WTS: minotaur axes, bone chips
WTS:
WTS:
WTS:

...5 lines of spam.

People maxing the item links they can put in on one auction, then shift+up key and re-doing 3-4 more auctions like that together.

...and the more that happened, the more people reposted, and yeah, shitty times for buyers. This was all in the auction channel.

Put a limit on how soon someone can repost their auctions during busy times (when EC goes over 120-150 or something). I still like the bazaar, y'all hating :p

got ya, id probably just put the people on ignore that are spamming/spamming the stuff im not trying to buy and then i'd wipe the list. But I can definitely see why the spam is a pain, didn't personally see it so all i can offer is a little adivce

[Messianic]

I'd question the reasoning of people sitting in EC reading every single auction. If I am selling items, I auction them a few times and then go do something, or auction them while I do housework or studying or something.

Same thing when I'm buying; just skim the auctions for what you want or play normally and just keep a browser window open with ahungry.

What the hell do you people do, window shop? Hang around EC to see what strikes your fancy?

I'd love a Bazaar-like element to EC, but it's not happening.

[Kluren]

To the people who say this is not 100% classic and never will be: you are 100% correct. However, this project is about making the server as classic as possible. So, a bazaar will never happen (phew!)

[Daldaen]

Man I can't imagine what would happen if they somehow nuked item linking.

WTS Stein of Moggok (Primary/Secondary, 3 Charges Light Heal, 5 DEX, 10 INT, 10 HP, 25 Sv Disease)

Somewhat miss the listing out all their stats or selling bags o' stuff at T1/T2. But item links sure were nice.

[citizen1080]

I HATED the bazaar.


fuck. that. shit


However, I have not been in EC for more than a few minutes in months. Maybe people with items 5kpp and below move to Nro. 5k+ stay in EC. Splits the spam in half and people can target their price ranges by simple stepping 2 feet to the left or right.

[Rararboker]

There is a second reason for spamming WTB/WTS so often. People are entering EC all the time. If you only do your message once every 5 minutes, people can enter, run towards the next zone, and exit before they get a chance to see your auction. This becomes less of an issue if you use ahungry auction tracker but it still stands. Tbh this is the only reason I ever thought people spammed so much. As a wizard I can enter from the nro side, run straight to someone in EC and port out before 3 minutes have gone by. Give the delays a wide enough spacing and I won't ever see those *surprise* WTS that I am really looking for.

Seems like mostly an issue for people who spend hours in EC.


*Edited for clarity. I meant those auctions you don't expect to see, and you aren't even in EC for buying, but then you see the auction while passing through.

[NextGenesis88]

There it is, I knew someone was going to say it.

Item links, not classic.
Playing on more than 56k modems, not classic.
Playing on slimline laptop/flat screen monitors, not classic.
EC trading forum, not classic.

Not a "classic" server, and I'm okay with that.

The point of the thread is the speed of the EC spam at times, it gets so quick because everyone is jumping over each other to be at the fresh end that it's very difficult to accurately click the items you want to look at (even with just auctions in its own window).

We discussed the idea of putting a limit on how often people can talk in public channels in EC, whether it should just be in /say, whether a second trading zone should be used to split it up etc.

Welcome to the thread on page 13, please try to read more than the title.

Actually I read the whole thing. And yeah I agree that would help. I am referring to people wanting bazaar mostly.

[Gustoo]

Item links is not classic and would actually help with the spam.

In good old days, guys would show you bags in a trade window and you would look through the items that way.

People would describe what kinda junk they have in general and list specially nice items..

People also used to list prices they wanted to sell stuff at not asshole overpriced prices.

EC spam is way fun and if its as busy as you say it is I might need to get back in on that action.

Bazaar is cool for the lazy or whatever but the living and bustling EC community (or gfay community on rallos zek) is a game in and of itself and it is something that should not be disposed of easily.

People who want to have a more passive approach to selling stuff can just do it in the forums here.

The biggest difference between here and live for me is that people don't seem to sell really good stuff nearly as much. On rallos zek I could buy dragon hero bracers and shield of rainbow hues all day long in velious era for the right price, which was totally reasonable. Here they are like guild owned relics or something. Very different.

[Dirtnap]

Item links is not classic and would actually help with the spam.

In good old days, guys would show you bags in a trade window and you would look through the items that way.

People would describe what kinda junk they have in general and list specially nice items..

People also used to list prices they wanted to sell stuff at not asshole overpriced prices.

EC spam is way fun and if its as busy as you say it is I might need to get back in on that action.

Bazaar is cool for the lazy or whatever but the living and bustling EC community (or gfay community on rallos zek) is a game in and of itself and it is something that should not be disposed of easily.

People who want to have a more passive approach to selling stuff can just do it in the forums here.

The biggest difference between here and live for me is that people don't seem to sell really good stuff nearly as much. On rallos zek I could buy dragon hero bracers and shield of rainbow hues all day long in velious era for the right price, which was totally reasonable. Here they are like guild owned relics or something. Very different.

Nobody wants to play the EC game here. They just want to sell their stuff overpriced.

[kotton05]

I fully support a Bazaar merchant at least. Screw the EC sharks I don't want to wheel n deal with folks who just flip stuff.

[Xer0]

Im sorry, classic or not but I despise having to "camp" ec the wayone would camp a spawnpoint for gear. I looked for a sword today in ec.. from about 10 AM to 5 pm--

and they're right about the ec spam, I have to direct it to a new window and minimize when Im not using it.

Just saying, new simulated patch day fix isnt classic.

[Xer0]

That was a terribly boring cave. I didn't like the afk buyout-only vendors.

I could see access to the /bazaar window available in ec and major cities where current online players can list their goods for sale in a searchable database but still require meeting to make the transaction.
whats the point in all that? Seems like most people arent against this becauseit's not classic, but because its from the moonkitty expansion. Its like yous ay no because its not classic then offer up dozens of needlessly convoluted, wholly unclassic ideas...

[Burrito]

It's almost like we have this useful tool for listing items for sale called a forum- but you simply want to port a more instantly updated version in game.

[Swish]

It's almost like we have this useful tool for listing items for sale called a forum- but you simply want to port a more instantly updated version in game.

The forum has its pros and cons. I like the idea that I can look through items for prices, for talking to people outside of the game (while working etc).

However as someone who's on European time, trying to link up to trade with someone on PST is difficult. If I had a trader up however...

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

alright, if you say so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgWn7zbgxZ4

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

oops sorry, thought you said time for bizarre

[NextGenesis88]

Im sorry, classic or not but I despise having to "camp" ec the wayone would camp a spawnpoint for gear. I looked for a sword today in ec.. from about 10 AM to 5 pm--

and they're right about the ec spam, I have to direct it to a new window and minimize when Im not using it.

Just saying, new simulated patch day fix isnt classic.

You can use the auction tracker you know and just go somewhere nearby if possible or at least keep busy in some way. I've recently learned about it and it definitely does help you not have to sit there and burn your eyes out on all that green text for hours.

[Xer0]

You can use the auction tracker you know and just go somewhere nearby if possible or at least keep busy in some way. I've recently learned about it and it definitely does help you not have to sit there and burn your eyes out on all that green text for hours.


The woirst part is it's literally like the same six people at any given time :P

Honestly, I took a look at the auction tracker and couldn't make heads or tails of it.. ill have to check it out again

[Rararboker]

You couldn't figure it out? It just shows EC chat. It is literally as easy as this:

1. Open ahungry.com/eqauctions
2. Scroll down to chat window.
3. Done

[NextGenesis88]

You couldn't figure it out? It just shows EC chat. It is literally as easy as this:

1. Open ahungry.com/eqauctions
2. Scroll down to chat window.
3. Done

and if you want something specific, type your item into the search bar. It's super easy and I'm not sure what troubles you are having. It should all be there to view.