Issue with pnp - the lns scout

[Tune]

lets say guild a controls zone

guild b sacrafices a player to guild a

player from b is free to loot n scoot. This player takes a long time to get body , or cant get body and is merely in the zone just to scout guild A freely.

my bind point problem and cant scoot problem never got addressed or no1 had any good ideas

For instance we kill player at bind, he leaves but then dies / has to gate soon there after.

another big problem is ive had a few people loot then camp on top of our exp grp / raid

i hope that isnt legal?

[Derubael]

everybody gets banned irl.

[Smedy]

Yes, that's one issue, enother one is having enough alts to rotate the lns timer.

Would be nice to have a rule that if your guild lost, you're as a person & guild is out of that zone for like 1 hour (if raid target is up) other rules can be for small group pvp type shit.

I don't want this to become whoever has most alts.

[Tune]

everybody gets banned irl.

ty v. much for taking the time to read my post

Yes, that's one issue, enother one is having enough alts to rotate the lns timer.

Would be nice to have a rule that if your guild lost, you're as a person & guild is out of that zone for like 1 hour (if raid target is up) other rules can be for small group pvp type shit.

I don't want this to become whoever has most alts.

yeah i can see the problems there as well

i think i tried to keep track of the timers once in mass pvp and I got fed up fast.

is there anyway we make keeping track of the 60 mins less cumbersom?

[Derubael]

ty v. much for taking the time to read my post


You're welcome :)

In all seriousness, the way LnS works is going to be looked at. Obviously we had some shit happen on blue and we wanted to give red some time to adjust to the new PnP so we could see where problems are happening and what needs to be fixed, which is why it may seem like w'eve been ignoring you guys (we haven't). I liked some of travo's ideas on LnS, and I've been reading a lot of what you guys have been talking about, so don't think you're not being heard!

[iiNGloriouS]

DERU I DEMAND YOUR ATTENTION.

I like how you like Ikky Luclin models.

Moving onto PnP, I think you guys just really need to be specific, to the point where I could explain it to my 8 year old sister and she would understand. I think thats the issue, too many gray areas.

[Colgate]

yaw some retard named astarial from nilly(think this is a coh bot?) got coined at the zone-in in VP today(like right next to it in the lava) and came back into zone like 5 different times over the course of 30-45 minutes, and when told to get the fuck out of the zone he said "i can't find my body i need GM assistance"

[Colgate]

yeah uhh he died literally right next to the portal in the lava

all he had to do was /target his corpse and drag it

not buying it

[Tradesonred]

yaw some retard named astarial from nilly(think this is a coh bot?) got coined at the zone-in in VP today(like right next to it in the lava) and came back into zone like 5 different times over the course of 30-45 minutes, and when told to get the fuck out of the zone he said "i can't find my body i need GM assistance"

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[Stasis01]

There's always going to be people on both sides pushing the boundaries of LNS.

As long as the people who lost are agreeing to loot and get the fuck out and forfeit the mob, that is all that matters.

None of this "we will kill you once, and your clerics can't res, and your necro's can't summon"

Tune and Nihilum are the biggest abusers of bending PNP to still be able to apply grief and corpse camping to RD that has lost and wants to LNS.

All good though, it's 100x better than it was, and I imagine will get better. 200+ people last night, a competing guild, shits looking good.

[Stasis01]

Also, when has putting a spy into a zone mattered, when has it changed a fight, what mob did a guild lose because of it etc.

I can't think of one situation, other than someone zoning into Seb to see if you'd be sitting on PVE death players waiting to get their 1 kill and force clerics to not res, and necros/rogues to not help their grps CR.

[Stasis01]

Triple rage post.

Yesterday for example, RD is contesting VP ! VP invaded, Nihi doesn't have the #'s to respond, what's their plan of attack?

Go to RD guild bind and snag 1 kill per PVE death player (Bacon got mine)

Bacon died in Seb a few days ago and he cried that I trained him as a rogue, then refused to let us res him, then came in and took forever, eventually we grp'd up with him brought him to his corpse and we still res'd him after all of this (he died running to zone out)

He follows this lead by going to a guild bind and snaking YT's - well played Bacon sir.

[Kergan]

Nice, Stasis shitting up another thread.

Astarial legitimately could not find his corpse, not that it really matters.

And now it's hilarious to see the same people that logged a plethora of posts saying how great the PNP was complain about it. A lot of us made posts early on pointing out flaws only to get the posts shit on by the opposition.

I'm very encouraged to see Derubal's response in this thread. Clearly they've eased up on the banning as a lot of these flaws have been exposed. I wish they could look back retroactively at this point and consider time served enough of a punishment and let people back in though.

[Kinamara]

In all seriousness, the way LnS works is going to be looked at.

Best news since PnP. Hour long corpse camps are retarded, but its even more retarded that people feel entitled to loot and scoot and threaten with bans, gms and all that good stuff.

Hopefully it ends up somewhere between so that if one guild loses one pvp fight, it doesn't mean they are out of the game the rest of the raid day, while loot and scoot is something you have to be ashamed to ask for in ooc for small grp pvp.

[Stasis01]

Nice, Stasis shitting up another thread.

Astarial legitimately could not find his corpse, not that it really matters.

And now it's hilarious to see the same people that logged a plethora of posts saying how great the PNP was complain about it. A lot of us made posts early on pointing out flaws only to get the posts shit on by the opposition.

I'm very encouraged to see Derubal's response in this thread. Clearly they've eased up on the banning as a lot of these flaws have been exposed. I wish they could look back retroactively at this point and consider time served enough of a punishment and let people back in though.

Another thread where common sense isn't used/situation doesn't matter/Nihi trying to make the PNP look bad because it's vaguely written.

A situation where GM's didn't consult players or think it through, and went with their own implementation which was vague and involving way too much manpower.

Typical Red99 shit. The PNP would work perfect if there wasn't a specific guild that takes this more serious than their real life, and are trying to bend and twist every situation to still corpse camp and grief instead of just being decent human beings when people surrender.

Instead Nihi take advantage of the vague way it was written and create endless hours of bullshit on where the line of grief is allowed, and cry about every individual issue instead of just acting decent.

[Mac Dretti]

Stasis u should start a live journal

[Tune]

i added a few things to the first post

[Stasis01]

You should add, "Clerics trying to res LNSing guildmates that ate an EXP death? Fuck that, that's not part of the scooting process, Nihi puts an end to that."

[Sektor]

euros mad we took their VP pixels. No more Sunday raids hehehe

[Mac Dretti]

You should add, "Clerics trying to res LNSing guildmates that ate an EXP death? Fuck that, that's not part of the scooting process, Nihi puts an end to that."

This is red server chat not blue server chat

FYI incase u didn't kno

U kno?

[Kergan]

Another thread where common sense isn't used/situation doesn't matter/Nihi trying to make the PNP look bad because it's vaguely written.

A situation where GM's didn't consult players or think it through, and went with their own implementation which was vague and involving way too much manpower.

Typical Red99 shit. The PNP would work perfect if there wasn't a specific guild that takes this more serious than their real life, and are trying to bend and twist every situation to still corpse camp and grief instead of just being decent human beings when people surrender.

Instead Nihi take advantage of the vague way it was written and create endless hours of bullshit on where the line of grief is allowed, and cry about every individual issue instead of just acting decent.

Step 1: Point out flaws in PNP
Step 1 result: Proposed changes shit on by opposition, threads destroyed, no meaningful changes.
Step 2: Try step one again. And again.
Step 2 result: Fail.
Step 3: Prove issues in PNP by demonstrating them.
Step 3 result: Opposition to steps 1 and 2 suddenly see the issues.
Step 4: Now that all are agreed the system isn't perfect, petition staff to look at making PNP changes.
Step 4 result: Pending, but early signs indicate a promising result.

The more you post the more I'm convinced that server health, increased population, etc are just not part of your agenda despite what you claim. You have some unhealthy obsession/hatred for Nihilum. It's evidenced by the fact even your own guild/side has deviated from your positions recently, clearly you're becoming a forumquest liability.

[Stasis01]

Proposing flaw in LNS by saying spies can come back in and check things out.

Does not apply to any advantage in-game other than Sebilis(oh no they can see the entrance, so can a DA'd cleric). What this is, is overloading the GM's with bullshit hoping they give up on the idea entirely.

So transparent it hurts, since RD has never given a guild nearly as much grief over LNSing like Nihi has.

Example Gore, massive shit talk, giving some res's not others, forcing everyone to take 1 YT.

You guys don't point out flaws, you abuse the vague part of the policy, no one said the policy was perfect, but if the players won't agree to it (Nihilum) then the GM's will either have to go hard and push the point home, or just give up.

We'll see what they choose.

[Stasis01]

Unfortunately I agree they brought this somewhat on themselves by making the policy so vague, and apply to all PVP even insignificant bullshit like this.

[Mac Dretti]

Proposing flaw in LNS by saying spies can come back in and check things out.

Does not apply to any advantage in-game other than Sebilis(oh no they can see the entrance, so can a DA'd cleric). What this is, is overloading the GM's with bullshit hoping they give up on the idea entirely.

So transparent it hurts, since RD has never given a guild nearly as much grief over LNSing like Nihi has.

Example Gore, massive shit talk, giving some res's not others, forcing everyone to take 1 YT.

You guys don't point out flaws, you abuse the vague part of the policy, no one said the policy was perfect, but if the players won't agree to it (Nihilum) then the GM's will either have to go hard and push the point home, or just give up.

We'll see what they choose.

PvE death doesn't get lns.

The 1 yt rez in for LnS was to protect all sides from being killed more than once/lns violation.

Dealwithit stasis live journal

[Stasis01]

Wrong, you chose who got a res - because clerics of LNSing group were not allowed to cast their own. Had nothing to do with protecting yourselves, you talked shit the entire time like "following the PNP to the letter LNS now bitches" etc.

Another gray area Nihi decided to abuse to the max - the GM's pushed Nihi a bit and now they are pushing back in a different way. I hope GM's aren't intimidated by the neckbeards, population was over 200 yesterday, imagine that.

[Mac Dretti]

Wrong, you chose who got a res - because clerics of LNSing group were not allowed to cast their own. Had nothing to do with protecting yourselves, you talked shit the entire time like "following the PNP to the letter LNS now bitches" etc.

Another gray area Nihi decided to abuse to the max - the GM's pushed Nihi a bit and now they are pushing back in a different way. I hope GM's aren't intimidated by the neckbeards, population was over 200 yesterday, imagine that.

Are you accusing me of using mature language in OOC? Your rage is causing you to fabricate details.

You are correct about choosing who we would offer rezzes too, the whiners and idiots can port themselves and don't deserve enemy guild hand holding.

[Stasis01]

Right exactly it shouldn't be up to the winning guild to decide who gets res's from the surrendering guild(the losing guild should be able to CR/res themselves and leave)

That's another example of Nihi bending the rules to try and get the GM's to give up on it - sure hope they don't, only time will tell !

Been awfully quiet from them recently.

[Mac Dretti]

Right exactly it shouldn't be up to the winning guild to decide who gets res's from the surrendering guild(the losing guild should be able to CR/res themselves and leave)

That's another example of Nihi bending the rules to try and get the GM's to give up on it - sure hope they don't, only time will tell !

Been awfully quiet from them recently.

U guys chose not to surrender and log off and or cry about it. Those who surrendered got their corpses and moved on.

[Stasis01]

=) OK

[Kergan]

=) OK

First Stasis post in 3 months without the word Nihilum in it, bravo!

[Tune]

Proposing flaw in LNS by saying spies can come back in and check things out.

Does not apply to any advantage in-game other than Sebilis(oh no they can see the entrance, so can a DA'd cleric). What this is, is overloading the GM's with bullshit hoping they give up on the idea entirely.

So transparent it hurts, since RD has never given a guild nearly as much grief over LNSing like Nihi has.

Example Gore, massive shit talk, giving some res's not others, forcing everyone to take 1 YT.

You guys don't point out flaws, you abuse the vague part of the policy, no one said the policy was perfect, but if the players won't agree to it (Nihilum) then the GM's will either have to go hard and push the point home, or just give up.

We'll see what they choose.


your wrong bro on many levels...

if you do not see the problems of immortal scouts, duno what to say... your either trolling or brain dead

and people camping out at our raid?

lite did this to us just the other day he ran away with his gear and camped in the zone

kama tried camping on top of our exp grp, and cried when we wouldnt let him


Im also going to propose if u cant get your body by yourself u have to stay out of the zone until there is some1 that can help u. if u enter the zone only to harrass the people that killed u for a CR u are considered bind rushing. if u cant handle the CR stay out of the zone in the first place.

if that person helping you didnt get killed they are free game until they eat a YT

still no ideas on bind point problem

[k9quaint]

your wrong bro on many levels...

if you do not see the problems of immortal scouts, duno what to say... your either trolling or brain dead


LNS != immortal. If they don't scoot, petition them.
If Nihilum were not such toxic asshats, necros would be able to summon corpses for LNS. If Nihilum were not such toxic asshats we wouldn't have LNS enforced by GMs in the first place.

[Stasis01]

Tune I just gave you a dirty licken in KC.

[HippoNipple]

PvE death doesn't get lns.

The 1 yt rez in for LnS was to protect all sides from being killed more than once/lns violation.



Either retarded or a dick, needs to just stop posting either way.

[Tune]

LNS != immortal. If they don't scoot, petition them.
If Nihilum were not such toxic asshats, necros would be able to summon corpses for LNS. If Nihilum were not such toxic asshats we wouldn't have LNS enforced by GMs in the first place.

ok so how long do i wait to petition

and what happens when a gm doesn't show up

[runlvlzero]

I read this post, than got to derubals 2cnd reply and went HURRAY

[k9quaint]

ok so how long do i wait to petition

and what happens when a gm doesn't show up

If you want him to scoot right away, let them get their corpse or get a rez. If you want to grief them you will run into issues with the PNP. Block their loot, they can't scoot.

[magician]

You're welcome :)

In all seriousness, the way LnS works is going to be looked at. Obviously we had some shit happen on blue and we wanted to give red some time to adjust to the new PnP so we could see where problems are happening and what needs to be fixed, which is why it may seem like w'eve been ignoring you guys (we haven't). I liked some of travo's ideas on LnS, and I've been reading a lot of what you guys have been talking about, so don't think you're not being heard!

lol this guy . . ?

[dethbringre]

PnP has really hurt the PvP scene in the pre 52 ranks. I've only been attacked once in the last two weeks seems like everyone is worried about killing someone because they are afraid of getting the ban hammer. Yeah its great that the population has increased but alot of the pvp fun has diminished as well.

Every YT now is followed with 10mins of OOC threats of reporting and petitions..

[joevz]

Just found this server a few weeks ago and I thought hey im game lets give it a shot. I played old eq and its always been my fav mmo and theres no other mmorpgs out worth playing. Since starting ive kept hearing about this play nice policy and all the drama its caused. Every day people threatening bans on each other. Finally after hearing this shit for long enough I wasted 2 hours today reading about it here and I have to say, I no longer even want to play on this server. I played eq pvp for years and these rules have changed the game into something else entirely.

[dethbringre]

Just found this server a few weeks ago and I thought hey im game lets give it a shot. I played old eq and its always been my fav mmo and theres no other mmorpgs out worth playing. Since starting ive kept hearing about this play nice policy and all the drama its caused. Every day people threatening bans on each other. Finally after hearing this shit for long enough I wasted 2 hours today reading about it here and I have to say, I no longer even want to play on this server. I played eq pvp for years and these rules have changed the game into something else entirely.

I'd say give it a little time, the GMs are usually pretty responsive and they are most certainly aware of this debacle. I look for some changes to the PnP pretty soon, hopefully bringing some of the PvP back.

[Gustoo]

Yeah Joevz best thing to do is play the game and never look at the forum. I check forums to make sure to put in a good word for item loot all the time, but other than that I don't even play anymore. Forumquest is a whole different game. Pretend forums don't exist...use the wiki...and have a good time.

[Tradesonred]

Just found this server a few weeks ago and I thought hey im game lets give it a shot. I played old eq and its always been my fav mmo and theres no other mmorpgs out worth playing. Since starting ive kept hearing about this play nice policy and all the drama its caused. Every day people threatening bans on each other. Finally after hearing this shit for long enough I wasted 2 hours today reading about it here and I have to say, I no longer even want to play on this server. I played eq pvp for years and these rules have changed the game into something else entirely.

The devs arent PVPers, at least the ones calling the shots, so they try to implement all sorts of stuff that will make a pvper wonder

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