Yet Another Set of Epic Faction Data Points

[loramin]

Here's a breakdown of how many times I did each type of turn-in for max True Spirit faction:

Freeport: 11
Ooglyn: 4
Emerald Jungle: 1
Wandering Spirit: 1
Woe/Envy/Shield: 25

Hope that helps anyone working on their faction via Woe/Envy/Shield turn-ins and wondering how many they need to do.

[blondeattk]

`Woe/Envy/Shield: 25`

thats alot of zoning! faster to do the quest the proper way....

However I assume this is designed for peeps under 46?

Its pretty easy to get to black boots the legit way.....the hole part is slight chore, but the com fights are kinda fun.(fire pet method)

are folk just sick of going down the hole or something? Am just not seeing whats so attractive about cheating on this quest....

[Buriedpast]

Wow surely Nfp/bb is faster, just find a wiz to port you for a few hours.

[blondeattk]

Wow surely Nfp/bb is faster, just find a wiz to port you for a few hours.


WOW maybe you should go back to playing it? :p

The OP talking about woe handins....whichis alot of runing back and forward between rathe M and Wk. DOing the whole thing on Nfp turnins (doable) must be 30+ ? Just such a bland method of cheating an epic quest (

[DrKvothe]

Woe/Envy has a 2 hour repop delay. Don't get me wrong, I did a bunch of woe/envy, but this seems excessive. CoM is a fantastic place to level in the mid 40s, so I don't really see the point of not doing the CoM pages.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

That's gotta be a mistake. 25 woe and envy???

Kookoo.

I did 77 Bondl turn ins though. Lots of other stuff I don't remember now

[Velerin]

Think the point of this was to get a little more data on what size faction hits you get for each step rather than criticizing this guy's choice of how to get faction.
The best part of this is it might actually deter another shammy from trying to just repeat woe/envy rather than the other stuff.

[myxomatosii]

I never understood this. This was mine.

Freeport: 3 ( I screwed up twice )
Ooglyn: 1
Emerald Jungle: 8
Wandering Spirit: 1
Woe/Envy/Shield: 1

Those 3 were accidents, it should've been 1. The 8 were collected in City of Mist while I was leveling at max speed, and when they were collected I'd either A: Corpse 5/6 til the last one popped up so I could complete a set with any drop, B: Walk and turn it in and walk back (about 4 min walk).

Either way, no excessive zoning, no rezing, no porting, just playing. I mean I suppose there have to be reasons for the above, but I can't seem to see them! Help me see the light!

:confused:

[blondeattk]

That's gotta be a mistake. 25 woe and envy???

Kookoo.

I did 77 Bondl turn ins though. Lots of other stuff I don't remember now

this just boggles ME OFF! :mad:

why would any one vaguely sane choose to do this vs do the quest properly? HOw many grps it take to do high scale kurn? Am guessing 3 grps of 55+ ?

<<flabergasted :confused:

[Thulack]

Pretty sure doing the Actual epic quest all the way through still doesnt get you enough faction to do handin. You have to repeat some parts of it either way. How about you just let people play the way they want to instead of criticizing their methods?

[Sarius]

If you want to do the faction quickly, I reccommend repeating the Freeport to Eruds Crossing gem turn in. This will not yield sow boots or shield of falsehood though

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

If you want to do the faction quickly, I reccommend repeating the Freeport to Eruds Crossing gem turn in. This will not yield sow boots or shield of falsehood though

This.

While I was ding the quest someone had corpses a bunch of gems and did it in an hour. Apparently there really is no limit to the number of gems you can get from the spirit in NFP, just that the gem itself is lore and needs to be corpsed.

[myxomatosii]

Pretty sure doing the Actual epic quest all the way through still doesnt get you enough faction to do handin. You have to repeat some parts of it either way. How about you just let people play the way they want to instead of criticizing their methods?

Never.

[BlkCamel]

Here was my path:

Freeport/Bondil: 1
Test of Patience: 1
Woe/Envy: 15
EJ Spirit(from woe/envy turn in): 6
Dire Wolf: 1
CoM Reports: 5 or 6 can't remember if it ws 5th or 6th one that was the obligatory your faction cannot go any higher turn in but pretty sure 5th said maxxed.

This isn't the fastest necessarily, but it is what I did. When I camped specs as per my guide I would bind in Rathe and gate/kill them ever couple hours. Doing CoM books would probably be faster. Side note I was Amiable when I did Dire turn in. Was 2 woe/envy turn ins deep.

[username17]

I did the quest legit up through black dire in my high 30s. Then I did book page turnins while leveling in CoM. It worked out very well.

[loramin]

Wow, way more responses than I expected :D

First off, as Velerin understood, I was just trying to provide data to anyone interested, not trying to advocate for doing what I did.

On the question of "why not just do the quest the right way?": I already did it that way on live, so I didn't feel bad about "cheating" here, and the Hole is annoying. But mostly I just don't like bothering people. As it is I still need guild help for Black Dire and Lord Rak, but at least I don't have to bug them for the Hole and Ghiosk.

As for the elephant in the room, there were two reasons I didn't do CoM:


I'm genuinely curious about how much faction each step provides. If I report back the Bondl + shield turn-ins approach and Yumyum reports the Bondl-only approach, and someone else reports the ... well at the end of the day with enough of those reports and some multi-variable algebra we can actually determine the relative faction each step gives. And if we had that info, everyone could make a well-informed decision for themselves which steps make the most sense.
To be honest though, at first I was going to do CoM (laziness > curiosity). On live (where I had the same shaman), I spent a LOT of time in CoM, and I was really looking forward to going back to that nice empty shaman play ground.
However P99 CoM is very different from live CoM: its completely packed. Most times I went I literally couldn't find a single mob to kill. Real life concerns kept me from trying to join a group, and there was just no room for a soloing shaman there (sadly).


That just leaves the question of running around, which really wasn't that bad. I was bound in Feerrott (killing spectres and guards), and I'd frequently check Rathe to see if Glaron/Tabien were up. If they were I killed them and did a quick WK run and then gated back. So while I did have 25 trips from Feerot to WK, they were one-way at Scale of Wolf speed, and so weren't too rough (and they were cheaper than hiring a cleric or other helper to do Bondl turn-ins).

If you want to do the faction quickly, I reccommend repeating the Freeport to Eruds Crossing gem turn in. This will not yield sow boots or shield of falsehood though

I don't understand how this is fast; as you can see I did do that step 4 times, but only because I was doing Bondl a bunch, and then I happened to be in Qeynos with a gem after. Even if you could reliably port between FP and Toxx, you'd still have to wait for the boat, and you'd still have go kill in some other zone to get the gem to give to Bondl.

[Sarius]

You don't port, you corpse.

1) bind in FP at gem giver
2) get a gem and die
3) repeat a bunch of times
4) go to Eruds crossing
5) turn in gem and die
6) loot gem off corpse in FP
7) get res
8) repeat steps 5-7 until you have max faction
9) you're welcome

[loramin]

Ah, so it's basically the same deal as the million Bondl turn-ins, only you do it in two rounds (and in the second round you go to Erud's instead). Thanks.

Hopefully someone will do it that way and report back their results so we can figure out the relative faction of Ooglyn vs. Bondl vs. Wandering Spirit vs. ...

[Sarius]

I forget the exact number, I think it was around 70. The only real time consuming part was traveling from FP to Eruds. I think it took 1.5 hours tops to get max faction

[blondeattk]

`The only real time consuming part was traveling from FP to Eruds.`

surely this includes a boat journey? your timescales seem delusional.

[Exmo]

`The only real time consuming part was traveling from FP to Eruds.`

surely this includes a boat journey? your timescales seem delusional.

One Boat Journey. Along with a cleric friend.

They sit on your corpse @ Eruds and res you back, over and over, you gate, loot a gem, get resed back, turn it in, canni once, gate, etc. etc.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

How many gems can be acquired before the spirit pops?

Also, what's the best way of killing yourself? How so you avoid xp loss??

[Sarius]

I did this as a lowbie so I didn't care about the XP loss. I would reccommend a duel

[DrKvothe]

This should include: 3.1) get rezzes at FP bodies, but don't loot gem.

Canni or punching quest people seems like it'd be effective.

[Zeonick]

I did 2 bondl gems
Tests up to woe/envy
Woe/envy 3 times
8 com books while leveling from 44-48.
Msxed after that.

I ended up doing blackdire after I was already maxed.

[Rkelly]

I did the epic normally up to the CoM page turnins, then 6x page turnins and 1x Lord Ghiosk books turnin got me max this morning