Item loot

[jakedubbleya]

What's the consensus on this? The exact outline for the PvP server is hard to find (no sticky that clearly outlines everything) and I'm not sure I'd bother playing 1999 PvP without item loot. Was there anything in the HISTORY of gaming that was more fucking horrifying, incentivising and strategic than item loot in old EQ?

As a future lvl 1 with no connections, I'd be at a huge disadvantage, but PvP is just not PvP without huge risks and rewards.

So what is the community consensus? Should there be item loot? Is item loot planned for a future patch? Should it be no-bag (traditional) or no-bag no-weapon to help the melee types out?

All of my real life friends were heartbroken to learn that project 1999 existed, but that the PvP server had no item loot, and I haven't been able to get them to play for that reason. To be honest I don't blame them.


tl;dr WHY IS THERE NO ITEM LOOT? WHAT KIND OF PROJECT 1999 IS THIS!? Why would I bother playing on that server when the /duel command exists on the blue server?

[Pudge]

there is no item loot because it would be worse for server population. most ppl are more casual than they used to be 15 years ago and aren't looking to lose the gear they farmed on their spare time.

there will be some kind of item loot on the Teams server that is coming out, but the launch date is unknown and far away.

[jakedubbleya]

there is no item loot because it would be worse for server population. most ppl are more casual than they used to be 15 years ago and aren't looking to lose the gear they farmed on their spare time.

there will be some kind of item loot on the Teams server that is coming out, but the launch date is unknown and far away.

This is the kind of logic that lead to what EQ is now, and seems to ignore the reason why 1999 exists in the first place.

Sorry, one more question, is faction/race a factor on the PvP server? Myself and a friend are considering being a duo and are curious whether tallies/evil/shorties/elves is still the grouping. Thanks :)

[Gustoo]

Consensus is that item loot is awesome and totally worth it.

Most people playing red99 are more non casual psychos than they ever were on rallos zek.

[Gustoo]

Red99 is a free for all server which means there are no hard coded teams at all. Outside of normal in game faction (evil races KOS, evil classes frowned upon / sometimes KOS) you have no issues grouping with whoever you want to. There are active members of the community that have been begging the staff to make red99 server a real classic experience by implementing an era correct rallos zek ruleset but the more blue members of the community have been opposed claiming that it is bad for server population, a notion that I strongly disagree with.

About half of rallos zek quit when augmentations came out and made all good items no drop (because no one wore a non augmented fungi) and then the rest quit when they stopped item loot altogether.

The main opponents of item loot are the following: 1. People who only care about pharming pixels and don't want to lose their pixels when they are AFK like retards, and 2. People who like to have low level twink PK's and crap all over lowbies and never worry about anyone bothering to try to kill them.

[SamwiseRed]

Consensus is that item loot is awesome and totally worth it.

Most people playing red99 are more non casual psychos than they ever were on rallos zek.

lol'd

[Pudge]

Yes everyone groups with (or immediately attacks) everyone else.

There is a huge exp bonus for lower levels. Try and beg a weapon/spell money off someone, most ppl are helpful to lower levels as long as they believe you are genuinely new to the server.

It will feel lonely as you level, but 50+ you will see a lot more ppl. It takes thick skin, but this server is fun at higher end if you can get in a guild and get immersed. The high drama is very worth it. As you can see on these forums, one player just filed a police report against another yesterday.

[Pudge]

I guess I shouldn't have said "casual" yes many who play here do it like a job every day.

[dre]

All of you forget that item loot WAS classic eq across pvp AND pve pre-kunark.

It was called /consent

I looted people all the time in oasis on prexus/tz


Server not classic, community not classic. Its all a sham

[Gustoo]

Probably the best thing about item loot is going out of your way to get normally junky items just because they are no drop, so you can be a baller in bad gear and just bomb around. It gives a TON of meaning to a lot of content that is usually just junk. Shin armor in guk, that crap in KC, the blue crap in the dwarf part of velious. Theres just a lot more stuff worth getting when item loot is in play.

The biggest thing is that a lot of people here want to have their eq dreams fulfilled and they really aren't interested in risking anything at all. They want the best pixels and they want to keep them. A good majority of people who started on red only did it so that they could get cool OG pixels and have a clear road to the top of the server instead of fighting through the hoards on blue..for pixels.

For me, item loot gives PVP meaning. It also means that people have to strategise their equipment selection. If they want to be a big gangster with the best stuff, they have to risk it against their opponents. At the same time, if they run all their gimp gear they will be easier to defeat. Overall it is a much more dynamic experience that is completely worth the inconvenience of losing items.

Some argue that a melee gets crapped on too bad on item loot servers, but on rallos I was easily able to level up a ranger to 50's in random crap gear that supplmented my full banded armor. It gets the job done and you don't have to worry about some loser 1 shoting you when you are low HP because the most you lose is like 10pp, and then the guy is encumbered so you can probably get revenge on him.

And naked wizards are only good enough to kill 1 guy 1 time before they are OOM, they are easy and fun to hunt down and kill, so please don't give me that argument.

And watching people run away and bag their gear is hilarious and embarrassing for them and means they are easier to kill since they are busy clicking away at their bags. Its just great.

[Gustoo]

And Dre, no one forgets that item loot was classic for free for all PVP server (rallos zek) in this era. Its just that this server as you said is a full custom debauchery that is highly influenced by the desires of a powerful segment of bluebies that only want pixels and want to AFK in them all they want without risk.

Another awesome thing about item loot is that all items are worth less platinum because people get things like ikky regens and just off them because they don't give a crap and don't want to have the lore item in their possession the next time they kill a sucker. Stuff was super cheap on RZ.

[Tradesonred]

This isnt call of duty...

[jakedubbleya]

Well, I made a Halfling Druid tonight to give this a go and will continue to voice my hopes for item loot.

If anybody wants to hook me up with some shit gear, I won't argue, the solo grind on a small population PvP server seems daunting. Just shoot me a /t, pm, or post here and I'll do my best to remember how to get around Everquest and come bite yer ankle till you give up the goods.

My character name is Squats.

Thanks for the info everyone, see you out there. This shit is cool, it's just a tragedy there is no item loot.

[Tune]

item loot is great and will be on the teams server =)

bagged items will be lootable its gon be soo guuud

[jakedubbleya]

item loot is great and will be on the teams server =)

bagged items will be lootable its gon be soo guuud

Someone else was saying that's a ways away. What else is unique about the team server? I will move to any server with item loot, should I just wait?

[Aenor]

Why would I bother playing on that server when the /duel command exists on the blue server?

The blue server is open to serve your needs and free of charge.

[Kinamara]

consesus on this forum means nothing. 2/3 the players on the server never read the forum, and half the people on the forum do not play.

[Gustoo]

Cool I foresee you getting killed all the time when you OOM on any tank and are only capable of low hp cheap shots.

OP, you had best play now. The teams server may never come out and the staff nay realize how dumb it is to have TWO PvP servers with totally non classic rulesets and just switch the present one to RZ rules and the new server to Vallon/Gallon rules.

But I'm with you I will play any server no matter how messed up if there is item loot.

Shoot me a pm here and tell me your char name and when your gunna be playing and I'll come help you out.

[Flowz]

More people will quit due to item loot then not having item loot, there is a reason NO pvp box on this emulator has survived with item loot, there are reasons that nobody wants item loot.
On this emulator server you have so many crews that will just stick together, you have vets who had played this game for 14 years, you have other mechanics that were in the game that are not now ( egg shaped pumic, Wands, Conflag wands) there is lots of shit that would make item loot stupid, not to mention the countless hours you have spend getting items, there is no boxing so u cant do shit yourself, how am i suppose to camp a fbss as a warrior, get one then die to pvp? You are absolutly right i could bag it. I am also gonna have to watch out for poeple in my group who wanna gank me at low hp, Say im a warrior with an fbss and some other stuff, and i join a group not knowing its 3 friends. Im tanking and get to 20% Boom nuked and fbss gone.(< you are gonna have that scenario moer then once i can guarantee you that.) Or what about people who wanna camp druid rings and wizard portals now that item loot is in?
It adds alot to the grief part of the game as well.. I see someone naked running for their corpse, ok i let them by, they start looting it, awesome freee gear, So i start nuking him and bam hes dead in 2 nukes, 1 he didnt notice cause he was looting. and i jsut got myself some nice pixels.

i could go on forever this is not 1999 where u had 2000 people on at primetime and it make it exciting, You are gonna have vets who Min/max everything, people who dont fight unless the advantage is on their side 100% of the time, they already do it now. and lots more.

[Gustoo]

The reason no previous PVP box survived is because they were unreliable boxes that had mad cheating and ended up wiping and wasting all players efforts.

This full custom box with zero attachment to classic experience can freely nerf awesome items like conflag wands and mojo sticks and other over powered loot achieving items if players decide they are too sweet.

People already camp wizard spires and druid rings. So yeah, people will definitely do that.

Group members ganking become 100% non groupable known scum for their behavior because it really makes a difference in item loot. Everything you do has more consequences and players tended to be more friendly and loyal because when they screwed you over they put themselves at greater risk. If you group with untrusty members you put your FBSS away and pull out your thick leather apron. A group is still completely functional with melee characters wearing nothing but sub walmart gear. So what, you don't get to be optimal. Big deal.