What happened to the days where rep mattered and the players upheld the rules

[Tune]

today i killed some one in pvp and then watched them loot their body as they talked shit to me

this is not the game i remembered and is 100% the reason for our problems

the people who talk shit should not be allowed lns

this causes the quality of players to decline if there is no player enforced rules

the good guys should get to lns decided by the players

[Dacuk]

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Obvious+troll+is+obvious+_021766515ce64efe411a51cf fe937d4b.jpg

[Smedy]

reputation stopped mattering when nihilum invited heartbrand back into their ranks after he sold you out, sorry you created this mess.

[Tune]

the first time hb was a lost newb,

he was given a chance to learn his lesson,

now he has sinned in satanic porportions,

i dont even think jesus can help him at this point

[Smedy]

heartbrand would be welcomed with open arms into nihilum any day and your shittalking about him would stop instantly, we have seen this before.

nihilum started this "recruit anyone" so that's where the rep doesn't matter issue started

[Tune]

nah heartbrand has sealed his fate, u willnever see him in nilly again

[k9quaint]

today i killed some one in pvp and then watched them loot their body as they talked shit to me

this is not the game i remembered and is 100% the reason for our problems

the people who talk shit should not be allowed lns

this causes the quality of players to decline if there is no player enforced rules

the good guys should get to lns decided by the players

This used to be the case. But you abused the privilege and the GMs took it from you.
PST in game when Tune is unbanned.

[Tune]

This used to be the case. But you abused the privilege and the GMs took it from you.
PST in game when Tune is unbanned.

do u even lift ?

hit the gym and suck less plz

[HeisChuck]

this post wont be taken serious bc the person who posted is THE SICKEST INDIVIDUAL ON THE BOX PUSHING 350 days played

[dre]

Tune runs showemu

[BrobbVZ]

Tune, how can you make a post like this when your suspended?

[krazyGlue]

I have to agree with tune here .
I can't seem to wana pvp or log in. The rules benefit the crybabies and shit talkers .Im all for LnS but not when the person is talkin shit or bending the rules to fuck with you . There should be no mercy

[Zalaerian]

this is not a game

[Stasis01]

Tune, this is 2014 bro where trolling and griefing is the new cool thing to do.

Reputation has never and will never mean anything on Red99 as far as treatment.

[Kraftwerk]

Tune, this is 2014 bro where trolling and griefing is the new cool thing to do.

Reputation has never and will never mean anything on Red99 as far as treatment.

I would never guild with three people based on reputation:

Nizzarr - Bigoted anti Semite griefer who disregards staff and project intent
Tune - Multi-banned griefer who (IMO) spends a dangerous amount of time on this elf sim
Elderan - Disconnected from reality


So it still means something to some people.

[Sektor]

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Obvious+troll+is+obvious+_021766515ce64efe411a51cf fe937d4b.jpg

[maverixdamighty]

thread lost any expecations of reasonable responses when tune started it. a banned character talking about reputation and integrity...LOL.

[Rust1d?]

Reputation only mattered on live when you had a high lv character. Having a bad rep meant you did not get into raids etc. I remember pissing off an entire guild by KS'ing Mitty from someone and looting the gold ring. Not that it was a huge guild but I remember someone was gonna make jewelry for me and told me to fuck off cause I KS'd Mitty.

[rusty81]

heartbrand would be welcomed with open arms into nihilum any day and your shittalking about him would stop instantly, we have seen this before.

nihilum started this "recruit anyone" so that's where the rep doesn't matter issue started

Proof, Dongshow actively spamming OOC for Nihilum recruitment...

[runlvlzero]

nah heartbrand has sealed his fate, u willnever see him in nilly again

/praise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only damn guild on the server with integrity. Sure it took epic betrayal server wide of epic proportions. But here it is.

Well flowers 2, I've seen them eject unhappy people.

Nihilum has a backbone. Where's RDs?

[HippoNipple]

I have to agree with tune here .
I can't seem to wana pvp or log in. The rules benefit the crybabies and shit talkers .Im all for LnS but not when the person is talkin shit or bending the rules to fuck with you . There should be no mercy

The rules say if there is shit talking or taunting they forfeit LnS. If someone talks shit then kill them again.

[runlvlzero]

Tunes rep went up over 9000.

[HippoNipple]

Reputation only mattered on live when you had a high lv character. Having a bad rep meant you did not get into raids etc. I remember pissing off an entire guild by KS'ing Mitty from someone and looting the gold ring. Not that it was a huge guild but I remember someone was gonna make jewelry for me and told me to fuck off cause I KS'd Mitty.

I was also banned from raiding on RZ in all anti pk guilds. Was always a nice guy but just the reputation of being PK got you that.

[Tassador]

Eq pvp promotes players that are likely to pick all star teams against regular teams in sports game.

[Taboo]

Back on topic.

I actually do think if you talk shit and your the one lns'ing you should lose the priveledge. Kinda goes against the pnp idea ya think?

If you killed me then well you can say what ya want to be honest, you did win. Be happy ya got your corpse kinda deal.

Pretty fair imo.

[HippoNipple]

Eq pvp promotes players that are likely to pick all star teams against regular teams in sports game.

http://www.horriblenight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/eSim-600x450.jpg

[heartbrand]

Tune, multiple time banned player, making post about rep after just tagging Maximilian a guy banned for account stripping and deletion. Isn't agatha in your guild? This is where normally id post the twenty plus current and former nihilum members banned for game infractions but it's been done so many times already before.

[vouss]

I'd bet if Red Dawn started blocking Nihilum from more dragons, they would let HB back in.

[mrproudbeard]

This is where normally id post the twenty plus current and former nihilum members banned for game infractions but it's been done so many times already before.

You also used to include Sektor in that list because of RMT. Now he's tagged in the guild. It's getting hard to take you seriously as a leader. I was lured in by your original message of nice play etc but you sling as much shit as anyone on these forums and in OOC. Please try to lead by example and if you want to make a stand on principals then do so and don't back down from them. It's not too late.

[chu]

nah it is too late

[Kergan]

You also used to include Sektor in that list because of RMT. Now he's tagged in the guild. It's getting hard to take you seriously as a leader. I was lured in by your original message of nice play etc but you sling as much shit as anyone on these forums and in OOC. Please try to lead by example and if you want to make a stand on principals then do so and don't back down from them. It's not too late.

It's all posturing and strategy. This is a guy that a couple months ago had a forum signature bragging about all the accounts he had striped and items he had stolen. Sure, in jest, but still. I actually respect him for it though, he is doing what it takes to have a meaningful opposition. All the PNP talk, all the propaganda, etc is all just a means to build a large enough force to take on Nihilum.

[Nirgon]

Step 1: invest 14 hours a day
Step 2: grief hard, train, exploit as much as possible, strip accounts to secure advantage
Step 3: Get banned
Step 4: repeat from step 1 while laughing at staff's attempts to clean up server

[HippoNipple]

It's all posturing and strategy. This is a guy that a couple months ago had a forum signature bragging about all the accounts he had striped and items he had stolen. Sure, in jest, but still. I actually respect him for it though, he is doing what it takes to have a meaningful opposition. All the PNP talk, all the propaganda, etc is all just a means to build a large enough force to take on Nihilum.

Agreed, taking on a force big enough to compete isn't going to allow guild leaders to be as selective as they would like. The important thing is to keep a roster that is big enough and preserves a fair and fun atmosphere for the guild. Sektors is a good guy and is a good addition to any guild any way you look at it. Anything will be brought up to hurt a guilds image though, it is inevitable.

Heartbrand and many others did their part to try to change the server in a way to not cater to zerg guilds. It didn't happen so you deal with what you have.

The most important thing is how the guild leaders act in game. Talk is cheap on these boards.

[heartbrand]

I have nothing against very large guilds on this server, because the pop really only supports two large guilds. I have removed plenty of people from the guild. However, I don't remove everything single person that someone posts was "doing something naughty" without proof, that wouldn't be fair to the member, AND not every action is an instant guild remove. Some actions are DKP penalties, "raid suspensions," stern warnings etc.

I do my best with Red Dawn, it's a shit load of work. I try to be on top of everything, but there's only so much one person can do. Hate on me all you want for it, /shrug.

[mrproudbeard]

Yeah sorry I don't mean to throw Sektor under the bus, I don't know anything about the guy. I just see the inconsistencies and it bothers me. He may be a great dude suffering from slander and in that case, sorry Sektor!

I just want to be part of a guild that actually wants to play EQ with others (including pvping against them) in a way that doesn't involve figuring out who the largest asshole is. I would assume that anyone playing on this server at this point is some sort of adult level human being. It's pretty hard to tell at times though...

Also, sorry Heartbrand I could have approached this nag a lot more constructively in private with you instead. I don't envy the job you're trying to do at all and I think overall you've got a cool head. Just... learn to recognize when your blood is rising and try to muzzle yourself a little when it is. "Kill them with kindness" if you will.

I still believe!

[heartbrand]

I get rustled on these forums at times when people take shit to real life and want to do propaganda wars. If you look @ my posts, almost all of them are on the defensive. Rarely, if ever, will you see me start a thread such as "NIHILUM R SCUM BAGS" or "WATCH OUT 4 NIZZAR" or go in ooc "FUCK NIHILUM LOLO!L!O!L." Almost every post from me about Nihilum or Nizzar is a defensive post responding to accusations and what not. This guild is not about them. It's unfortunate their strategy is to make it into an us vs. them type of scenario, but I guess that's the way the box is.

Both guilds are large, bad apples sneak in. I do my best to remove them or speak with them to correct behavior when I can, but again, I'm not omnipotent.

[Sektor]

I get rustled on these forums at times when people take shit to real life and want to do propaganda wars. If you look @ my posts, almost all of them are on the defensive. Rarely, if ever, will you see me start a thread such as "NIHILUM R SCUM BAGS" or "WATCH OUT 4 NIZZAR" or go in ooc "FUCK NIHILUM LOLO!L!O!L." Almost every post from me about Nihilum or Nizzar is a defensive post responding to accusations and what not. This guild is not about them. It's unfortunate their strategy is to make it into an us vs. them type of scenario, but I guess that's the way the box is.

Both guilds are large, bad apples sneak in. I do my best to remove them or speak with them to correct behavior when I can, but again, I'm not omnipotent.

Spoken like a true leader.

[HippoNipple]

I just want to be part of a guild that actually wants to play EQ with others (including pvping against them) in a way that doesn't involve figuring out who the largest asshole is.



Both Red Dawn and Nihilum will be zergs. Nihilum and Red Dawn are both full of Azrael, Holocaust, Nihilum, etc. guild members no matter what tag they sport at this moment.

When I pick a guild the most important thing to think about is what guild leader do you like the most. They will dictate what actions you take and you don't want to be forced to play a way you don't want to. That is my opinion, there are obviously other factors.

- Joining up because friends are already in one of the guilds

- Joining because there are things going on during your play schedules that you can participate in

- You want the path of least resistance to get to the content you want to do

- Wanting to build something and be a part of something from the ground up vs being a part of the current dominate guild

Depending on what is important to you decides what guild you join.

[freez]

This used to be the case. But you abused the privilege and the GMs took it from you.
PST in game when Tune is unbanned.



lol owned



ps bant bant

[Tune]

lotta strawmans up in here, trolls, and hhahaha u banned

figures

[Chronoburn]

http://www.horriblenight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/eSim-600x450.jpg

Super Baseball Simulator ... top 10

[Something'Witty]

What happened to the days where rep mattered and the players upheld the rules

IMO on red99 the unscrupulous minority has either driven off or corrupted the moral majority.

That being said, you often can’t control the actions of others, only your reaction to them.


The following is from the Napoleon Hill Foundation (http://www.naphill.org/posts/tftd/thought-for-the-day-monday-january-16-2012/):

No one can make you feel any negative emotion — fear, anger, or inferiority — without your express permission. There will always be people who find perverse enjoyment in upsetting others, or who simply play upon your emotions so that they can use you for their own selfish purposes. Whether or not they are successful depends entirely upon you and how you react to their negative behaviors. When you are forced to deal with such people, recognize from the outset that they are trying to upset you, not because of something you may have done to them, but because of some problem they have with themselves. Tell yourself, “This isn’t about me. I will not allow this person to upset me. I am in control of my emotions and my life.”

[Nizzarr]

Tune, how can you make a post like this when your suspended?

Are you still drunk brobb? alcoholism is quite the disease, maybe ask your wife for some help

[freez]

lotta strawmans up in here, trolls, and hhahaha u banned

figures

banned banned hahaha

[freez]

Are you still drunk brobb? alcoholism is quite the disease, maybe ask your wife for some help

nizz you've probably never had a girlfriend much less a wife


or a dentist

[Tune]

The main problem is too much GM involvement

I can't think of 1 time a GM stuck his head in and things improved

[freez]

The main problem is too much GM involvement

I can't think of 1 time a GM stuck his head in and things improved

ya too bad tune banned

lol


l2p

[Tune]

ya too bad tune banned

lol


l2p

u know if we were face 2 face u couldn't stand by your shit with a straight face

[Colgate]

is that a real life threat?

tune is so fucking toxic

so glad he got banned on a character with 200 days /played

[Nirgon]

Lot of filthy teeth and pixels

[Tune]

lol this is hopeless

[freez]

:Dya too bad tune banned

lol


l2p



also im not even sure what tune is talking about

seems like hes been chugging vodka to cope with his ass being







BANNED BANNED BANNED

[Nirgon]

What happened to the days when everyone starting on the server that didn't want to join our guild....


http://brokentoys.org/?p=507

In the PvP+ environment, several issues will now be included in the definition of harassment. Bind Point Camping, or the practice of killing a player multiple times at his or her bind point. Corpse Camping, in which players lie in wait (often invisible or hidden) to kill another player who is returning to loot their corpse after a death. Zone Border Camping, which occurs when players attack other players before they obtain control of their character after crossing a zone boundary.


also had to also abide by the classic PnP?

http://s16.postimg.org/u2jsvas0z/classic.png

[Tune]

What happened to the days when everyone starting on the server that didn't want to join our guild....

i can't get down on some one that wants to follow the path of greatness

[Tune]

is that a real life threat?

tune is so fucking toxic

so glad he got banned on a character with 200 days /played

u will never know my /played

but it is under 200 by a good margin

[Nirgon]

Is greatness pulling a ton of mobs, abusing an ip exemptions to poof enough times to get caught then rerolling another character to continue griefing greatness?

Dunno. I've never been banned, maybe you can tell me how GREAT it is lol.

[freez]

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv254/Boris78Album/Boris_Banned.gif

[Tune]

being banned for pvping? no so great

[Nirgon]

What you think of this classic policy Tune?


Disciplinary issues involving guilds will also be addressed on a broader basis. Guilds whose members habitually violate any of the Rules of Conduct may be disbanded.


But you hate that classic shit too lol. Nihilum would have lasted a couple of weeks on live.

[freez]

too bad. still banned.


so much time wasted


le sigh

[Nirgon]

Keep him banned:


Verant GM Administrators review records of disciplinary incidents on a daily basis. Action is taken based on the severity and nature of the offense, and/or the number of warnings issued to the customer.


How far does the Fallen list roll out the door?

[Tune]

What you think of this classic policy Tune?



But you hate that classic shit too lol. Nihilum would have lasted a couple of weeks on live.

what rules of conduct???

im sure killing a player 1 time was not against those rules

[freez]

banned banned hahaha

[Tune]

keep spouting that bullshit

im lookin better and better

[freez]

im sure u are bro



lolololololol

[Nirgon]

If you guys didn't make a point to actively disregard any rules in an attempt to see if the staff could actually enforce them, maybe you'd be viewed in a better light.

Any mandate issued by Sirken is met with resistance or threats of you guys refusing to come to GM events, grief players, not comply with rules etc. People who play the rules are pussies by your definitions tho, right? HEH. Hopefully things like permanent bans will finally exist here (character sharing with said individuals too) so you can't just roll up a new 60 with your guild bank of loot, xp bonus and indefinite amount of free time until Velious.

"O well I'm suspended, I'll just log on any of several characters". Real effective...

[Bardalicious]

PVP rules changed quite a bit from opening day to a year down the road. Rallos started and literally held everyones hand with excessive guide involvement. Granted, guides couldn't actually do anything to you but suggest you stop.

Such as attacking a player from ranged that was hiding by guards. You could get reported and a guide would ask you to stop. They learned real quick that the people that needed to be babied like that shouldn't be playing on a PVP server and cut involvement down substantially. Then, player enforced rules came into play. Which is exactly how it should be here.

This GM-sanctioned PnP bullshit on Red is not how EQ PvP was meant to be played. If you join a PVP server, there should be the risk that someone else is going to ruin your fun. If you get corpse camped, log or play a different toon. Never have I seen a bigger group of babies in a video game that in one breath claim how uber at pvp they are and yet in the next proceed to cry about the very nature of a PVP server that provides the excitement and flavour that blue does not.

[Clark]

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Obvious+troll+is+obvious+_021766515ce64efe411a51cf fe937d4b.jpg

[Nirgon]

Yeah not camping zone lines, corpse camping, bind camping... that was never intended or mentioned by:


-Jeff Butler
Lead GM EverQuest
Customer Service Manager
Verant Interactive, Inc.


Servers with global occ (racist chat spam PLS!), corpse camping etc will never thrive.

[Tune]

Yeah not camping zone lines, corpse camping, bind camping... that was never intended or mentioned by:



Servers with global occ (racist chat spam PLS!), corpse camping etc will never thrive.

im glad i dont do this

[Nirgon]

I'm glad you definitely had nothing to do with helping strip Beovvulf's char on blue either. Definitely, definitely not.

Nice pattern of behavior there, Rain Man.

[freez]

nobody even asked for a pnp on red



shut up and deal with it bitch. nihi only people having trouble with this.

[Bardalicious]

Yeah not camping zone lines, corpse camping, bind camping... that was never intended or mentioned by:

And yet all of those happened on live. Know what we did about it?

Brought friends.

[freez]

Know what we did about it?


lemmy guess
















BANNED BANNED

[Bardalicious]

you couldn't pay me to play on this server with you people

stay classy tho

[freez]

cool story bro

[Clark]

I'm glad you definitely had nothing to do with helping strip Beovvulf's char on blue either. Definitely, definitely not.

Nice pattern of behavior there, Rain Man.

Hope that isn't true Beovvulf was one of the only genuinely nice folks in that guild.

[Tune]

Hope that isn't true Beovvulf was one of the only genuinely nice folks in that guild.

its not true

account was already being stripped be4 i got to it

how many times do we gotta talk about this that happened over a year ago lol?

its pretty cut and dry what happened , account was compromised ,i salvaged what i could

[freez]

Hope that isn't true Beovvulf was one of the only genuinely nice folks in that guild.

http://i.imgur.com/ePgdhTq.png

[Tune]

its not true

account was already being stripped be4 i got to it

how many times do we gotta talk about this that happened over a year ago lol?

its pretty cut and dry what happened , account was compromised ,i salvaged what i could

[freez]

tune banned


don't listen to that toxic faggot


proof has been posted

[Tune]

ur a troll and also pretty mad bad sad

i wouldnt listen to him

[heartbrand]

Isn't the person you claimed stripped it now a member of your guild? wut?

[Mac Dretti]

Who?

[Tune]

Isn't the person you claimed stripped it now a member of your guild? wut?

i wish this was a dictatorship too, u would have been long gone

[heartbrand]

Never banned or suspended sorry

[freez]

ur a troll and also pretty mad bad sad

i wouldnt listen to him

http://img.izifunny.com/pics/20120627/original/izifunny-gifdump-25-gifs_14.gif

[Colgate]

Isn't the person you claimed stripped it now a member of your guild? wut?

absolutely no integrity

nothing against my bropal retti but the fact that they invited him back is v pathetic on nihilum's part

[Colgate]

Hope that isn't true Beovvulf was one of the only genuinely nice folks in that guild.

entirely true, i have a thread recently made in rnf with GM given proof

[Mac Dretti]

Why wouldn't they? Cus of northwest? You think k anyone cared about a 16 year old myspacer that said purp and spammed irl info and distasteful comments about people's children?

I started w extra dkp for that

[Nizzarr]

PVP rules changed quite a bit from opening day to a year down the road. Rallos started and literally held everyones hand with excessive guide involvement. Granted, guides couldn't actually do anything to you but suggest you stop.

Such as attacking a player from ranged that was hiding by guards. You could get reported and a guide would ask you to stop. They learned real quick that the people that needed to be babied like that shouldn't be playing on a PVP server and cut involvement down substantially. Then, player enforced rules came into play. Which is exactly how it should be here.

This GM-sanctioned PnP bullshit on Red is not how EQ PvP was meant to be played. If you join a PVP server, there should be the risk that someone else is going to ruin your fun. If you get corpse camped, log or play a different toon. Never have I seen a bigger group of babies in a video game that in one breath claim how uber at pvp they are and yet in the next proceed to cry about the very nature of a PVP server that provides the excitement and flavour that blue does not.

good post, reposting due to 45 post of bullshit after

[Tune]

prais bardalicious

[Colgate]

Why wouldn't they? Cus of northwest? You think k anyone cared about a 16 year old myspacer that said purp and spammed irl info and distasteful comments about people's children?

I started w extra dkp for that

no, the fact that you were so anti-nihilum previously and that they blame you for them stripping beovvulf

i was never under the impression that anyone at all liked northwest

[freez]

I like the part how u raised every faction possible just to get



fuckin



bant

[Nizzarr]

http://i.imgur.com/fWusSPq.jpg

just gonna leave this here in case

[Nothxu]

This GM-sanctioned PnP bullshit on Red is not how EQ PvP was meant to be played. If you join a PVP server, there should be the risk that someone else is going to ruin your fun. If you get corpse camped, log or play a different toon. Never have I seen a bigger group of babies in a video game that in one breath claim how uber at pvp they are and yet in the next proceed to cry about the very nature of a PVP server that provides the excitement and flavour that blue does not.

Well said.

[Mac Dretti]

Emu PvP has like 300 unique people interested in it. Me and u cwall we used to talk a lot of shit 2 each other before kunark and loz. Now we're buds. I was Nilly in classic and forum warriored against all of Holo pretty heavily but now? Aimchat aram pals.

Heartbrand was corpse camped by Holo, then joined them (Jewish joining Holocaust amirite), then got laughed out of your guy's vent during forest hoop dreams , argued heavily anti Nihilum then rejoined them. Now? Aimchat stock owner leading opposition. I even called Lite a bad player nerd back when he was in full lambent and iv guided w him twice.

Forums are forums. I don't genuinely hate anyone except for 1 or 2. It's a game and it's entertainment.

[Colgate]

most notable thing about that image is the fact that a p99 developer is an officer in nihilum

server's such a joke if these people are allowed to play here

[Colgate]

Emu PvP has like 300 unique people interested in it. Me and u cwall we used to talk a lot of shit 2 each other before kunark and loz. Now we're buds. I was Nilly in classic and forum warriored against all of Holo pretty heavily but now? Aimchat aram pals.

Heartbrand was corpse camped by Holo, then joined them (Jewish joining Holocaust amirite), then got laughed out of your guy's vent during forest hoop dreams , argued heavily anti Nihilum then rejoined them. Now? Aimchat stock owner leading opposition. I even called Lite a bad player nerd back when he was in full lambent and iv guided w him twice.

Forums are forums. I don't genuinely hate anyone except for 1 or 2. It's a game and it's entertainment.

yeah i get it and agree, but its just the fact that they are still saying things like "we took precautions on beovvulf's account because of the scumbag that was stealing his gear" when theyre talking about one of their own members

throwing one of their members under the bus when there is hard evidence that theyre the scumbags breaking rules and not you is fucking comical to me

they could do a way better job of grasping at straws

[HeisChuck]

The main problem is too much GM involvement

I can't think of 1 time a GM stuck his head in and things improved

I can think of 1

when you went to login red99 and got rejected by a GM

[Colgate]

l o l

[Nirgon]

Colgate:
Stripped 0 accounts on P99
Trained 0 raids (outside of VP when legal)
0 IP exemption exploits


I call men like these Dentists. I can say the same for Chuck/Kringe/Hughman/myself. Live GMs would tolerate and respect people like them but NOT you. Why GMs here continue to allow you to just log into another account when you're suspended and laugh off the infraction or even consider being allowed to reroll here... I don't know.

Maybe I should log in and IP exemption poof train a few of your raids so Red Dawn can get pixels and then just reroll for Velious? I hope the GMs don't stick their nose in it and ruin things, right?

[Colgate]

i never even got to train VP

i went in there on lite's bard, immediately observed nihilum and a p99 developer abusing the no ledge rule, and logged off in DISGUST

[Mac Dretti]

It's a very scenic perch. Pics of dragons line the walls. Enjoyable.

[Technique]

most notable thing about that image is the fact that a p99 developer is an officer in nihilum

server's such a joke if these people are allowed to play hereWhat I will clarify though, is that Sundawg is not a GM. Infact, I've never spoken to the guy outside of maybe a couple forum PM's. He works exclusively with nilbog on various database development tasks. I don't know what his play character was nor did it concern me. I'd prefer you not drag the CSR/Support staff (Me, Sirken, Ambrotos, etc) into your latest attempt to turn the most minuscule thing into the next ground breaking "server integrity compromise".

Not deleting anything, feel free to go to town on him, but leave the rest of the staff alone (I'll delete those). And I'll be editing anything that refers to him as a GM or having any sort of capacity to affect the live servers, he can't.Keep beating that drum, though.

[freez]

they banned that spot from use when red was a month old


IIIIIII would know



IIIIIIII was there

[freez]

If the guy was stupid enough to create troll accounts (I'm not putting effort into confirming it not), then he deserves whatever you guys throw back at him. If it turns out to be true, I won't ban anyone for "trolling him", the staff insult protection will not take effect as he can not simply hide under other forum accounts to hide his action. That would be absurd.

What I will clarify though, is that Sundawg is not a GM. Infact, I've never spoken to the guy outside of maybe a couple forum PM's. He works exclusively with nilbog on various database development tasks. I don't know what his play character was nor did it concern me. I'd prefer you not drag the CSR/Support staff (Me, Sirken, Ambrotos, etc) into your latest attempt to turn the most minuscule thing into the next ground breaking "server integrity compromise".

Not deleting anything, feel free to go to town on him, but leave the rest of the staff alone (I'll delete those). And I'll be editing anything that refers to him as a GM or having any sort of capacity to affect the live servers, he can't. I have other things I'd much rather be working on (one of them much more important to the "integrity" of the server than any of this crap) rather than playing forum cop.


blew that up for you since you may be retarded

[Mac Dretti]

they banned that spot from use when red was a month old


IIIIIII would know



IIIIIIII was there

Blue accomplishments for a blue guy

[freez]

what can I say


I was on the top of the food chain where people actually cared, before the red server was made.



nawm sayin nublet?

[Mac Dretti]

Nope



Plz explain I don't get it

[Technique]

blew that up for you since you may be retardedAnd because nilbog is the founder/manager of p99, that means any work he did was subject to nilbog's approval.

So maybe you conspiracist fools should set your sights on nilbog and see what comes of that.

[Quiet]

If reputation mattered, Tune = AIDS.

[HeisChuck]

arzak toxic as FUCK running the server from the shadows

[runlvlzero]

He also deleted like 200 acounts/posts in that thread =/

[Colgate]

i like how i said he's a DEVELOPER and this moran quotes a post and bolds the part where it says he's not a GM(?) and where he works closely with nilbog on the database

l o l thanks for the support in my argument

[karsten]

first guild into VP was transatlantic rampage

so, unless you were in that guild, you weren't the first guild in there on blue

putting that out there for posterity

[Technique]

i like how i said he's a DEVELOPER and this moran quotes a post and bolds the part where it says he's not a GM(?) and where he works closely with nilbog on the database

l o l thanks for the support in my argumentGM/dev/whatever you call him, your tired implication is that he holds a position affording him powers that he can misuse for his benefit and/or that of his guild, which is why I emphasized Rogean's comments assuring us that he cannot.

Try to pick a hair thick enough to split next time.

[Xantille]

hit the gym

posted at 3:51am

[heartbrand]

hey xant

[Xantille]

hey xant

ULLO EMPEROR TOPJEW

[Nizzarr]

first guild into VP was transatlantic rampage

so, unless you were in that guild, you weren't the first guild in there on blue

putting that out there for posterity

I was the first death in vp on blue,

just saying

[HippoNipple]

I was the first death in vp on blue,

just saying

Why did you quit blue Nizzar?

[Nirgon]

He changed mage epic pet which got Nilbog involved, chardok faction and missed the other mob types on the raptor change....

Hard whiff by Technique.

[Eslade]

http://chrispiascik.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20100520-MadMen.jpg
/thread

[Bamz4l]

its time for Nilbog to pull the plug on Sundawg

[Nirgon]

Naw. He's been good lately.

[Supreme]

heartbrand would be welcomed with open arms into nihilum any day and your shittalking about him would stop instantly, we have seen this before.

nihilum started this "recruit anyone" so that's where the rep doesn't matter issue started

Cast would have a better chance than Heartbrand.

I am just waiting for the real HB to start stealing the guildbank and stripping characters again..

[Nizzarr]

Why did you quit blue Nizzar?

because red opened?

I had to log back in on blue a couple months into red as TMO wanted me to loot some rotting rogue weapons in VP.

Its ok though, you can believe the quido cool-aid.

[Nirgon]

That account stripping kool aid

[heartbrand]

Cast would have a better chance than Heartbrand.

I am just waiting for the real HB to start stealing the guildbank and stripping characters again..

Can't take you seriously as a so-called religious Christian when you come on these forums and spew complete lies. What about that AoN proof? You are a disgrace to your church and your family, and I for one see through you for the disgusting human being you are. I feel awful for your family that they have a charlatan and cruel disgusting person in their midst.

[Supreme]

Can't take you seriously as a so-called religious Christian when you come on these forums and spew complete lies. What about that AoN proof? You are a disgrace to your church and your family, and I for one see through you for the disgusting human being you are. I feel awful for your family that they have a charlatan and cruel disgusting person in their midst.

Gentlemen,

I give you the real Heartbrand.

Enjoy!

[Stasis01]

I can't believe Nihilum is so on Red Dawns nuts, it's unbelievable you guys still care so much.

Any guild enters planar trash and Nizzar has a mini heart attack and gets his crew fired right up to defend the pixels.

[Supreme]

I can't believe Nihilum is so on Red Dawns nuts, it's unbelievable you guys still care so much.

Any guild enters planar trash and Nizzar has a mini heart attack and gets his crew fired right up to defend the pixels.


I was going to say this is a PVP server but then i remembered that it isn't.

[Nizzarr]

Can't take you seriously as a so-called religious Christian when you come on these forums and spew complete lies. What about that AoN proof? You are a disgrace to your church and your family, and I for one see through you for the disgusting human being you are. I feel awful for your family that they have a charlatan and cruel disgusting person in their midst.

shut the fuck up, you're disgracing jews everywhere

[Stasis01]

You guys are fucked up.

[heartbrand]

I'm not the one coming on these forums spewing lie after lie, day after day. You do nothing but character assassination daily with baseless lies. It's disgusting. You guys are some of the slimiest individuals I've ever encountered, and I deal with some bad people in my industry. I really have no idea how you guys are ok with the way you act towards others, it's shameful.

[Colgate]

You guys are fucked up.

[quido]

because red opened?

I had to log back in on blue a couple months into red as TMO wanted me to loot some rotting rogue weapons in VP.

Its ok though, you can believe the quido cool-aid.

Nizzarr was banned on his main cleric. If he got it overturned it was in the last half a year or so.

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

15 pages , not reading any of them

don't give a fuck

[karsten]

hb why you gotta bring RL into shit? that's just low man

[HippoNipple]

hb why you gotta bring RL into shit? that's just low man

No questions from you boy, let the men handle this.

[Tune]

lets get back on topic

your all scumbags

that hate / are jelly of me

i bench 350

do u even lift?

[HippoNipple]

lets get back on topic

your all scumbags

that hate / are jelly of me

i bench 350

do u even lift?

Lol tune pretending to work out the 2 hours a day he isn't playing Everquest.

[Tune]

Lol tune pretending to work out the 2 hours a day he isn't playing Everquest.

intensity > volume

2 hrs prob too long or u suck at working out

i get better work outs in 40 mins than people do in 3 hrs

[HippoNipple]

actually i do

: )

[Mac Dretti]

Pee vee pee server

[DrRoach]

Lol tune pretending to work out the 2 hours a day he isn't playing Everquest.

tune plays eq while on a treadmill its been verified

[Not_Kazowi]

Are you still drunk brobb? alcoholism is quite the disease, maybe ask your wife for some help

dude that devoted his life to red99 server talking about RL. hah too funny


you realize you had some nerd on this server buy you a computer for elf sim points?

you obviously have no job and live with your parents or grandparents. pity you pal

[Tune]

bump

[Tune]

bump

[heartbrand]

It's a bit ironic you're bumping this when you have a Maximilien / Twainz / Eximo etc. I think all guilds could do better on this. I've suggested a Red wide "black list" that all guilds can agree on adding people to.

[Tune]

It's a bit ironic you're bumping this when you have a Maximilien / Twainz / Eximo etc. I think all guilds could do better on this. I've suggested a Red wide "black list" that all guilds can agree on adding people to.

i respect your opinion

1) You are casting aoe guild invites yourself

2) unfortunately my guild isn't a dictatorship.

3) low population has led to us needing to be very lenient, especially against zerg guilds that are trying to out recruit

4) I think we may have different beliefs on punishments

I believe we should be focusing shaming and re-intergration into server. Its much better off than locking some one up and throwing away the key.

If we cure the root of the problem we keep that +1 pop and it leads to other gains
in pop if their physche has undergone any changes.

It is a cure to the root of the problem, not just a palliative for a quick fix.

[heartbrand]

I respect your tone so I'll match it in kind.

1) Yes, I invite a lot of people. That means some bad apples get in. I don't willingly invite people who I know to be bad apples, and when they reveal themselves, I do my best to remove them.

2) It kind of is but I don't want to go there.

3) I understand this, but let's drop the zerg thing. Does Red Dawn have an OVERALL higher number of members, YES. Can we match the response time to repops etc., though that Nihilum has? NO. So yes, we have a higher total #, but a good % of those are genuine newbs uninterested in raiding / low 50's / people who aren't career EQ players who won't respond to a 5am bat phone for a repop. The 70 for gore is an anomaly. That's for an uncontested mob @ primetime hour, which unfortunately is a time that mobs haven't been on in like 10+ Months. @ Trak you had higher #'s. Repops you have higher #'s. And at the end of the day, those are the #'s that matter, not 50+ for uncontested gorenaire or planar clears.

4) Perhaps. I'm open to discussion.

Some people do need the key thrown away. Phone numbers for prostitution and car ads on craigslist? That's a key thrower. You'd be surprised of one or two people on the non nilly side I'm open to throwing the key away on as well, if nilly was willing to do so for a few people on their side.

[Snufz]

Tune trying a new trolling tactic don't u fall for it Top Jew i see thru his charade.

[Tune]

i dont think i ever trolled on here

[Azure]

i respect your opinion

1) You are casting aoe guild invites yourself

2) unfortunately my guild isn't a dictatorship.

3) low population has led to us needing to be very lenient, especially against zerg guilds that are trying to out recruit

4) I think we may have different beliefs on punishments

I believe we should be focusing shaming and re-intergration into server. Its much better off than locking some one up and throwing away the key.

If we cure the root of the problem we keep that +1 pop and it leads to other gains
in pop if their physche has undergone any changes.

It is a cure to the root of the problem, not just a palliative for a quick fix.


A rational well thought out informed based on facts opinion ^


I respect your tone so I'll match it in kind.

1) Yes, I invite a lot of people. That means some bad apples get in. I don't willingly invite people who I know to be bad apples, and when they reveal themselves, I do my best to remove them.

2) It kind of is but I don't want to go there.

3) I understand this, but let's drop the zerg thing. Does Red Dawn have an OVERALL higher number of members, YES. Can we match the response time to repops etc., though that Nihilum has? NO. So yes, we have a higher total #, but a good % of those are genuine newbs uninterested in raiding / low 50's / people who aren't career EQ players who won't respond to a 5am bat phone for a repop. The 70 for gore is an anomaly. That's for an uncontested mob @ primetime hour, which unfortunately is a time that mobs haven't been on in like 10+ Months. @ Trak you had higher #'s. Repops you have higher #'s. And at the end of the day, those are the #'s that matter, not 50+ for uncontested gorenaire or planar clears.

4) Perhaps. I'm open to discussion.

Some people do need the key thrown away. Phone numbers for prostitution and car ads on craigslist? That's a key thrower. You'd be surprised of one or two people on the non nilly side I'm open to throwing the key away on as well, if nilly was willing to do so for a few people on their side.


Seething with problem reaction solution and irrationality and defensiveness where none is even needed.

WHO DO YOU WAN'T TO REPRESENT THIS BOX?

*EDIt lol got quotes backwards ) FIXED

Lastly, petitions should be be decided who gets the key thrown away. Players should be. Heartbrand doesn't get to decide for the server who he "permits" to be in red dawn.

[Tune]

A rational well thought out informed based on facts opinion ^





Seething with problem reaction solution and irrationality and defensiveness where none is even needed.

WHO DO YOU WAN'T TO REPRESENT THIS BOX?

*EDIt lol got quotes backwards ) FIXED

wasnt being defensive at all , sorry if you got that vibe , was just trying to shed some light and reasoning on the whole situation

[heartbrand]

Azure is runlvlzero and I'm pretty sure he was referring to me. I don't personally think either of us was being hostile tbh.

[Azure]

wasnt being defensive at all , sorry if you got that vibe , was just trying to shed some light and reasoning on the whole situation

No I wasn't telling u u were being defensive, but heartbrand is defending his guild and actions like they are the only perspective that matters and the only way to "make the server playable".

[HippoNipple]

Azure is runlvlzero

Enough said.

[Azure]

Red Dawns only defense:

The infidels are insane and follow FALSE GODS AND IDOLS!

BURN THEM AT THE STAKE FOR THOSE HEATHENS WILL BRING US TO HELL!

/sad

[heartbrand]

wut

[Bokke]

Since starting on this server Katrasle and I have tried as best as possible to fight as cleanly as possible.

Nothing has changed in our routine with the new PnP rules, and yet now instead of 'good fight, can I get my corpse' I get people constantly screaming "can't touch me ban ban ban" in my face, or trash talking before they scoot, or engaging us one zone over only to flee back into their 'safe zone' where they can again scream 'ban ban ban'.

These rules allow what I can only presume are grown adults to act like children with out consequences. They also leave so much room for abuse.

I think a screenshot I took during the Dreadlands PvP is the essence of why these rules are hostile:
http://i.imgur.com/U7pFkaF.png

Pathetic.

[HippoNipple]

Since starting on this server Katrasle and I have tried as best as possible to fight as cleanly as possible.

Nothing has changed in our routine with the new PnP rules, and yet now instead of 'good fight, can I get my corpse' I get people constantly screaming "can't touch me ban ban ban" in my face, or trash talking before they scoot, or engaging us one zone over only to flee back into their 'safe zone' where they can again scream 'ban ban ban'.

These rules allow what I can only presume are grown adults to act like children with out consequences. They also leave so much room for abuse.

I think a screenshot I took during the Dreadlands PvP is the essence of why these rules are hostile:
http://i.imgur.com/U7pFkaF.png

Pathetic.

It is sad that some are trying to use the PnP rules to essentially grief. The entire point was just a message from the GMs telling the server they would not allow griefing, you know what griefing is, clean up your act. The majority of the server wasn't griefing anyways but they wanted to address it and give warning to those that would get a ban if they continued to do what they do.

If players do things like attack you on a corpse run, no matter what zone they are in, PnP is off and you can attack them again.

If players state they are frapsing just to get people banned and that is all they care about, I would be surprised if they wouldn't get a suspension themselves.

The PnP was a failure because of how childish and retarded most of the community is. People are trying to figure out how to grief within the rules or how to get people in trouble when the entire spirit of the rules was to promote healthy competitive PvP.

Once the GMs, if ever, get some more time to invest in this server they will clean it up but it will take a more hands on approach since this community can't do much on its own.

[Tassador]

Bokke post made my toes tingle and the hairs on my neck get that fuzzy feeling. Good read sir!

[Bokke]

It is sad that some are trying to use the PnP rules to essentially grief. The entire point was just a message from the GMs telling the server they would not allow griefing....
The PnP was a failure because of how childish and retarded most of the community is.

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

[heartbrand]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

Problem with your last sentence is that corpse camping usually has little to do with rep.

[Tune]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

great post

thanks bokke

good pvper too

[HippoNipple]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

Classic amount of grief is exactly what people should expect on Project 1999 and that is what the PnP rules were meant to do. Unfortunately we don't have GMs on all the time to look at every situation. Corpse camping was illegal on live and would be dealt with.

The PnP was a bandaid to help enforce a classic Everquest environment without the use of GMs investing their time. Guild leaders couldn't step up and help govern these rules without them being "server rules" so we are stuck with a bad solution. It will evolve in time but there is no reason to complain about it. Best thing people do is not act like assholes.

There is so much talk about bans on this server. Did anyone even get a real ban besides Tune? A guy who has broken rules on this server since day one. It had little to do with the PnP and much to do with everything else.

[Bokke]

Corpse camping was illegal on live and would be dealt with.


What game was this because it sure as hell was not the EverQuest I was playing.
Discordia/Indig/Pande corpse camped each other on TZ at least weekly.

Edit: Sorry this came across as snarky. I legitimately don't recall corpse camping being illegal, and if it was no one cared.

[Tune]

Classic amount of grief is exactly what people should expect on Project 1999 and that is what the PnP rules were meant to do. Unfortunately we don't have GMs on all the time to look at every situation. Corpse camping was illegal on live and would be dealt with.

The PnP was a bandaid to help enforce a classic Everquest environment without the use of GMs investing their time. Guild leaders couldn't step up and help govern these rules without them being "server rules" so we are stuck with a bad solution. It will evolve in time but there is no reason to complain about it. Best thing people do is not act like assholes.

There is so much talk about bans on this server. Did anyone even get a real ban besides Tune? A guy who has broken rules on this server since day one. It had little to do with the PnP and much to do with everything else.

wtf have i done dawg

ur linking me with an old account isnt even fair

[Sektor]

Tune you're getting real bad since the ban of your bard. Just remake a new bard and get it over with.

[Tune]

Tune you're getting real bad since the ban of your bard. Just remake a new bard and get it over with.

why bother if my name is sullied over stupid stuff in the past no matter what i do.

id rather spam these boards with shitty forum questing until my fingers bleed

trolls aint winning shit, ill continue to fight for my guild on here and on random toons in game

[Colgate]

shut up fag

[HippoNipple]

What game was this because it sure as hell was not the EverQuest I was playing.
Discordia/Indig/Pande corpse camped each other on TZ at least weekly.

Edit: Sorry this came across as snarky. I legitimately don't recall corpse camping being illegal, and if it was no one cared.

If you /petitioned or a GM saw you corpse camping you would be dealt with, just like this server has been for the last 3 weeks. There weren't clear LnS rules back then because GMs were always present and would just deal with it. If you and some rival killed each other on corpse runs over and over so be it, as it is on project 1999. The LnS rules only apply if at least one party wants to enforce it.

The fact that Nirgon remembers this as well should be enough evidence enough.

[HippoNipple]

Ashlanne wrote:
Here is the response from CS regarding the policies..

Of course everything depends on if we can prove their intentions or witness the actions in some way, so our response will be somewhat situational. With that said, the situation(s) that this person described would be handled as follows:
If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution.
If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP.
I think that the rule "Characters will not lose experience when killed in PvP combat, under most circumstances, although the occasional loss of experience is to be expected." refers to the fact that a necro DoT, fall damage, or a Mage pet could kill you and you would lose exp (or any other factor). The lack of experience loss is not guaranteed.

There were no changes in the Rallos ruleset except the name of the server.”

There is a quote from EQ classic forums about Rallos zek. How would you like it if players couldn't even engage each other on here if another guild was already attacking a raid mob!

Compared to other games out there EQ was hardcore but people have a foggy memory of what the game was actually like and mold it into something way more hardcore than it was. Then they get upset if they can't nerd rage on people in this emulator server.

[Mac Dretti]

Tldr

[HippoNipple]

Tldr

Too long can't read.

[heartbrand]

If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP.

that is the magical rule that needs to be in play here.

[chu]

ffa

[Tubben]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.


Well, i played on VZ since the beginning to the end of GoD.

And there wasnt such PnP Rules. But know what ?

People didnt attack while others were on an mob.
If you got killed, you came and LnS (no problem there).
No bindcamping or corpsecamping. Sometimes you even got an rezz after killed in pvp.
If an raidforce was engaged on an mob, the other raidforce stood there and watched. (and hoped that you wipe -> to the mob).

Sure, there were exceptions. But they were rare. Like we got attacked by Defiant while on Aten Ha Ra, even if they denied that they did that.

There was not much griefing. And yes, there were occasionally pk's.

PvP was mostly guild vs guild. And we had very very good pvp.

So, no, i dont expect much griefing ;)

I miss VZ :(

Tubben

[freez]

thats why rep mattered on live



rep does not matter on red unless youre guilded red dawn.