I am pretty sure Nihi made up their own rule pls clarify Sirken

[Stasis01]

70 people die to Gore(server lag don't ask) and Nihi comes 30 deep and sits on bodies.

Forcing ONE yt per person, as agreed. Good.

BUT, once they kill a cleric, he can only loot and leave - and not res the raid, we are willing to all LNS, we are willing to take 1 YT each, but we all want EXP res's and wish nothing negative to the other side.

Please clarify that clerics can stay and res their fallen LNSing people, at the very least having to take 2 res's from 1 YT if it's a must, but unnecessary really.

[DeadlyApostle]

Our clerics are currently rezzing your members. Please keep spinning it.

[Stasis01]

No, you are allowing some and denying others, and many people said they were offered 50% or w/e and revives. This is a Nihilum made up rule that I want clarified.

Forcing 70 exp loss hits is not how the PNP was designed, denying clerics resing was not part of the rule.

[Stasis01]

SHOULD be noted, Nihi had no intention of going to do Gore, their sole intention was to make us all take 1 exp hit.

[Koota]

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[Kanzar]

Yea I love how 30 people actually logged on after being batphoned this. I am willing to bet the mass text was like "Hey we found a roundabout way to be total scumbags and not get banned, log on now" and poof 30 people show up to fap off to killing people on CR. play nice at its finest I guess, and this is the type of shit that turns raids off on the server until people realize that this was a horrible idea

[Stasis01]

It's a simple clarification will completely stop the undermining attempt - Nihi will proclaim this is why PNP doesn't work, but they just found a way to bend it into griefing.

Cleric dies to PVE - runs back dies to PVP - Cleric can now res people - done.

It is beyond frustrating that this is the people they are though.

[HippoNipple]

Its alright fellas, time will tell. The PnP was a bandaid and failed because of the intent of Nihilum. Would RD do the same thing if we were in their position? I don't think so but I can't be in the minds of the leaders and know what they are really thinking.

In the end if the PnP is a failure stricter rules and more bans will come as Sirken stated when he said they were coming to clean up red after they get done with blue.

[Stasis01]

It's working great, this is just Nihilum making up a rule and applying it as a grief tactic. Sirken or a GM will come in here and say what, people aren't letting clerics res are you fucking stupid that's corpse camping, and then it's done.

Will be cleared up by tomorrow.

[HippoNipple]

It's working great, this is just Nihilum making up a rule and applying it as a grief tactic. Sirken or a GM will come in here and say what, people aren't letting clerics res are you fucking stupid that's corpse camping, and then it's done.

Will be cleared up by tomorrow.

Nihilum did come up with a clever way to grief through the PnP policy. What else can you say? The policy is something they made up off the top of their head. Clarification, changes, etc. will come later and instances like this will just hurt them for showing their intentions early. It is a shame a guild leader promotes, encourages and even orders these actions. Nizzar has been a parasite to the server from the beginning, at least the Devs/GMs have made it known that they agree.

[Clark]

It's working great, this is just Nihilum making up a rule and applying it as a grief tactic. Sirken or a GM will come in here and say what, people aren't letting clerics res are you fucking stupid that's corpse camping, and then it's done.

Will be cleared up by tomorrow.

[Tradesonred]

It's a simple clarification will completely stop the undermining attempt - Nihi will proclaim this is why PNP doesn't work, but they just found a way to bend it into griefing.

Cleric dies to PVE - runs back dies to PVP - Cleric can now res people - done.

It is beyond frustrating that this is the people they are though.

I dont get it, what are they doing?

[Stasis01]

Nowhere in the policy does it say you cannot res your fallen people that want to LNS.

[HippoNipple]

I dont get it, what are they doing?

Not allowing a guild to rez their players after a PvE wipe. From what I saw they had scouts watch two fights, the second one was a failure, then 30 members were bat phoned in to camp corpses and not allow exp rezes.

According to the rules they can kill you zoning in, let you loot corpse and force you to leave, not allowing the wiped guilds clerics to stay and rez for exp.

Technically I don't see anything illegal. All in all a very devoted and smart strategy to be a huge dick with the current rules. A good nights work for 30 people that want to grief.

[Mac Dretti]

we could either wait for everyone to port in and get our yellowtext and then let you PORT BACK loot and leave






or we could offer you a 96% exp rez (lots of no 60's), give you the YT of SHAME, and then rez you back in so you can continue to enjoy your night in Norrath








Win Win.

Thanks for playing and thanks for complying with PnP.

[Kanzar]

Nowhere in the policy does it say you cannot res your fallen people that want to LNS.

And player agreements trump the policy so if Nihilum didn't want to be total dicks they could just flat out say "you can exp rez if you leave afterwards for an hour" and all is agreed. If RD did something stupid like start fighting people or dragons then ban the idiot in RD that does it and nobody would care... but they are just choosing the way that will in the end just screw the server over

[Rallyd]

guild brings 70 people to kill Gorenaire, wipes claiming server lag, blames opposition guild for lag.

Can you guys ever own up to your own failures and simply say we brought too many people to a boss and lagged the game out?

Cadence single handedly wipes entire Red Dawn guild, more news at 9.

[Stasis01]

Not allowing a guild to rez their players after a PvE wipe. From what I saw they had scouts watch two fights, the second one was a failure, then 30 members were bat phoned in to camp corpses and not allow exp rezes.

According to the rules they can kill you zoning in, let you loot corpse and force you to leave, not allowing the wiped guilds clerics to stay and rez for exp.

Technically I don't see anything illegal. All in all a very devoted and smart strategy to be a huge dick with the current rules. A good nights work for 30 people that want to grief.

It breaks common sense, a guild's willing to pack up their shit and leave, the winners get the raid mob - the exact principle behind PNP and LNS.

[heartbrand]

On blue, it doesn't lag like this. Didn't lag like this at ragefire. Does that mean nihilum did it? No. Is it strange? Sure. Will I ever know what really happened? Nope. Can't worry about it, in bed under covers watching downtown abbey new season will get my pve corpse tomorrow np np.

[Koota]

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[HippoNipple]

we could either wait for everyone to port in and get our yellowtext and then let you PORT BACK loot and leave






or we could offer you a 96% exp rez (lots of no 60's), give you the YT of SHAME, and then rez you back in so you can continue to enjoy your night in Norrath








Win Win.

Thanks for playing and thanks for complying with PnP.


Those are the only two choices your leader gave you? Sounds like you need someone with better problem solving skills in charge.

[Stasis01]

guild brings 70 people to kill Gorenaire, wipes claiming server lag, blames opposition guild for lag.

Can you guys ever own up to your own failures and simply say we brought too many people to a boss and lagged the game out?

Cadence single handedly wipes entire Red Dawn guild, more news at 9.

Yeah it would freeze like the server was crashing no attacks going off etc pells heals.

It would be like 5 seconds normal then 10-15 seconds of server crash type lag/no control.

Meh, HB was saying it probably wasn't Nihi, some maybe did who cares, maybe a Nihi did pull a greasey move who knows.

[Supreme]

Yeah it would freeze like the server was crashing no attacks going off etc pells heals.

It would be like 5 seconds normal then 10-15 seconds of server crash type lag/no control.

Meh, HB was saying it probably wasn't Nihi, some maybe did who cares, maybe a Nihi did pull a greasey move who knows.

This makes me wonder if this really is Stasis...

Because the Stasis that was in Nihilum never witnessed Nihilum zone lag out script that caused the opposition to fail on raids...

[HippoNipple]

It breaks common sense, a guild's willing to pack up their shit and leave, the winners get the raid mob - the exact principle behind PNP and LNS.

Nihilum broke the principle and whole point of PnP no doubt but they did it without breaking any specific rules. It was an obvious grief move which is the point of the PnP. PnP is suppose to promote PvP over PvE in a quick matter to get rid of poop socking, zerging, etc. Sitting on corpses to drag out a boring part of the game that involves no skills or fun obviously goes against this. It is plain for everyone to see and both guilds know what happened tonight.

Everquest will move on, another night, RD got some loots, lost some exp, whatever.

[Mac Dretti]

On blue, it doesn't lag like this. Didn't lag like this at ragefire. Does that mean nihilum did it? No. Is it strange? Sure. Will I ever know what really happened? Nope. Can't worry about it, in bed under covers watching downtown abbey new season will get my pve corpse tomorrow np np.

i know what happened

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tin-foil-hat.jpg

[Stasis01]

I am saying crazier shit happens like plat dupes and fucking MQ and shit - I've never had that lag out happen, never happened at Rage. Maybe it was the Nihi loading in, who really knows pal.

[Stasis01]

Nihilum broke the principle and whole point of PnP no doubt but they did it without breaking any specific rules. It was an obvious grief move which is the point of the PnP. PnP is suppose to promote PvP over PvE in a quick matter to get rid of poop socking, zerging, etc. Sitting on corpses to drag out a boring part of the game that involves no skills or fun obviously goes against this. It is plain for everyone to see and both guilds know what happened tonight.

Everquest will move on, another night, RD got some loots, lost some exp, whatever.

Saying a cleric can loot and not res his group mates is an unspecified rule that Nihi MADE up therefore, it is breaking the PNP policy.

The very nature of don't be a dick, we're cleaning this place up - seems to argue against not allowing Res's.

We will see, but this is far from legal and part of the PNP. This is corpse camping.

[Clark]

Everquest will move on

[Mac Dretti]

Saying a cleric can loot and not res his group mates is an unspecified rule that Nihi MADE up therefore, it is breaking the PNP policy.

The very nature of don't be a dick, we're cleaning this place up - seems to argue against not allowing Res's.

We will see, but this is far from legal and part of the PNP. This is corpse camping.

they are not allowed to cast spells (except scootin spells), they are only allowed to LOOT and SCOOT

u dense?

[Mac Dretti]

i was suppose to go to bed early, but tonight was too much fun

[Tubzy]

I don't think some people realize video game administration works more like a parent raising a child than a justice system. Your momma tells you not to touch your sister and you put your finger one inch from her and say "I'm not touching her" you're still going to get smacked.

My point is the GMs made it quite clear they want you to play nice. If you're not playing nice whether you think you're following the rules or not you still can get smacked by momma.

[HippoNipple]

i was suppose to go to bed early

I hope your parents don't find out, be careful : )

[Mac Dretti]

I hope your parents don't find out, be careful : )

im tip toe-in

[HippoNipple]

I don't think some people realize video game administration works more like a parent raising a child than a justice system. Your momma tells you not to touch your sister and you put your finger one inch from her and say "I'm not touching her" you're still going to get smacked.

My point is the GMs made it quite clear they want you to play nice. If you're not playing nice whether you think you're following the rules or not you still can get smacked by momma.

This is logic that a normal human being can understand. Two years in the dungeon playing everquest can fry the brain and bring one to dangerous immersion levels.

[Stasis01]

Your ability to bend and make up rules will be over soon, enjoy every second of grief you can cause till then.

[Tune]

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[Stasis01]

"Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of retrieving their corpse is illegal and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account. You are expected in all cases to give someone a reasonable amount of time to recover their corpse and leave the area prior to attacking again. This also applies to raid/group/guild PvP.

Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account.

The P99CSR in attendance will decide what is reasonable in these cases. It is highly recommended that the people involved make equitable arrangements prior to involving the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff."

AKA taking the part of standing by your body after you looted and talking shit out of context and saying the raid clerics are NOT allowed to res before leaving.

This is all smelly made up bullshit rule lawyering LOL.

[Stasis01]

Gnight !

[Nizzarr]

you're good at copy pasting the pnp rules

[runlvlzero]

I think you all should petition for 100% CSR rezzez due to server lag and a retry!

[Technique]

I don't think some people realize video game administration works more like a parent raising a child than a justice system.Dictating how adults are to interact with one another in this manner is a great way to ensure that they behave like children.

[Dacuk]

all i'll say is that you won't find me corpse camping people - especially those underleveled and undergeared from me, after they died pve.

griefers gonna grief, no surprises here. not sure why so many rustled whaddya expect nizzar/tune to do lol, so predictable.

[mostbitter]

You guys talk MASSIVE shit all day long then when something doesn't go your way you continue to talk shit even though what you are trying to do is ask for a favor and somehow you can't understand why no one wants to be nice to you.

[Dacuk]

tunak sitting at home masturbating furiously with his cell phone in one hand spamming ex azrael phones and blowing his load onto his greasy crumb covered keyboard screen as he licks the screen above his nihilum tag. what a pathetic wretch

[runlvlzero]

tunak sitting at home masturbating furiously with his cell phone in one hand spamming ex azrael phones and blowing his load onto his greasy crumb covered keyboard screen as he licks the screen above his nihilum tag. what a pathetic wretch

I really hope your not part of that family oriented guild. That U know... Is supposed to be taking care of their families and kids and stuff. Looking out for eachothers well being.

[Tune]

runlvlzero already aquiring DKP

[Mac Dretti]

Rezzes were offered to entire RD raid. Nobody was corpse camped or griefed. A single YT per person entering zone to claim their PvE corpse was given and an exp rez was offered to them in return to expedite their CR.

How about some thank yous?

[k9quaint]

Rezzes were offered to entire RD raid. Nobody was corpse camped or griefed. A single YT per NAKED person entering zone to claim their PvE corpse was given and an exp rez was offered to them in return to expedite their CR.

How about some thank yous?

Nihilum PVP: contrive that your enemy is naked before engaging, otherwise don't log in.
At least Abacab has style when he does this sort of thing, and he does it after the PvP battle instead of before. :D :D

[HeisChuck]

bans are in order

[magician]

everytime i come to these froglok/dragon forums i see a cry post by stasis about the guild that kicked him out.

what a fat itiot.

[Dacuk]

Rezzes were offered to entire RD raid. Nobody was corpse camped or griefed. A single YT per person entering zone to claim their PvE corpse was given and an exp rez was offered to them in return to expedite their CR.

How about some thank yous?

Yes let's all be grateful. Nilly logging in 30 people to sit on a wiped raids pve corpses for 2+ hours was an act of kindness and not one of grief. What a kind act promoting server health that will help relations between top guilds and will make this server seem less toxic. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Agatha]

mad mad mad, we owned you. stop crying.

[Stasis01]

Nihilum didn't kick me out?

[Stasis01]

Rezzes were not handed out, they were selectively given, and not always a 96% click.

Sounds like a power/control thing again, you guys might want to seek help.

[mcappy]

Saying a cleric can loot and not res his group mates is an unspecified rule that Nihi MADE up therefore, it is breaking the PNP policy.


I don't see a rule in PNP that says clerics have to be allowed to rez. Sounds like you're the one making up rules.

They might want to add something about rezzing to the PNP, but it's not 'rule lawyering' if there is no rule in the first place. If you want PNP, you're going to have to deal with the headaches until the specifics are ironed out.

[chu]

skimmed, sounds tearful
in my opinion: die less and need less rezzes
EZ

[magician]

I don't see a rule in PNP that says clerics have to be allowed to rez. Sounds like you're the one making up rules.

They might want to add something about rezzing to the PNP, but it's not 'rule lawyering' if there is no rule in the first place. If you want PNP, you're going to have to deal with the headaches until the specifics are ironed out.

man i don't know who this guy is but he "pwnd" you hard Stasis.. let us hear your stupid counter-argument

[Pikrib]

I don't see a rule in PNP that says clerics have to be allowed to rez. Sounds like you're the one making up rules.

They might want to add something about rezzing to the PNP, but it's not 'rule lawyering' if there is no rule in the first place. If you want PNP, you're going to have to deal with the headaches until the specifics are ironed out.

I think Derubael already explained the CSR's stance in the PNP.

The PvP PnP can be summed up like this:

Don't be a dick,

[HippoNipple]

Dictating how adults are to interact with one another in this manner is a great way to ensure that they behave like children.

The point is game developers have to treat adults like children because they act like children. In this example the devs gave rules with clear intent and it was abused. Next comes them treating us like children.

[Elderan]

I think Derubael already explained the CSR's stance in the PNP.

This is directly from Sirken.

Situation: A rogue zones into seb, runs down to the ledge and kills a shaman soloing. That shaman has a friend come and ress him, the rogue kills the cleric at the entrance before he can get to that shamans corpse. The cleric then comes back into the zone for LNS. The cleric is allowed to loot his corpse at the entrance.
Question: Does this cleric have the right to sooth down to the shaman and ress him?
Our current interpretation: The cleric must loot his corpse, and then leave without buffing, killing or anything else.
Sirken says: You are correct

So yes, the cleric CANNOT ress his friends after being pked and forced to LNS.

My suggestion is to bring some friends and force those people out of the zone OR just wait until they leave.

[HippoNipple]

This is directly from Sirken.



So yes, the cleric CANNOT ress his friends after being pked and forced to LNS.

My suggestion is to bring some friends and force those people out of the zone OR just wait until they leave.

I personally never argued that you guys broke any rules. As I said I think you guys came up with a good way to grief exp deaths from a PvE wipe last night.

It is really dumb to keep saying PnP forces you to grief, they allowed you to in this instance. PnP are guidelines on how to act when two parties can't be civil with each other. The rules don't force you to sit on corpses and PvP people on corpse runs one by one. I for one can take comfort that I'm in a guild that wouldn't act this way. Some people in your guild were upset they had to do that last night as some /t to me personally indicated as they were saying sorry.

You guys decided to bat phone 30 level 60's to grief within the rules last night. That was obviously your goal and you obtained it by sitting on corpses for a couple hours. RD was trying to do some PvE and got 1 out of 2 dragons. That pretty much wraps up Everquest on 1/7/2014.

What to take away from it is Red Dawn will continue to progress as Nihilum continues to be toxic to the server. If GMs want to promote a healthy server, as they stated they do, then more stupid rules will come into play to handcuff toxic players like Nizzar from griefing the server.

It is dumb they have to do that but you guys bring it on yourselves and then blame RD for it. GMs see what goes on and they make these rules up on their own. They are the most unbiased and in my opinion more qualified to make judgement than anyone arguing for what Nihilum did last night.

[Samuell]

Can you guys ever own up to your own failures and simply say we brought too many people to a boss and lagged the game out?

No, they can't. At least the most vocal can't: their delusion runs deep. However, I bet most of the newer and not yet indoctrinated members recognize the truth.

[heartbrand]

No, they can't. At least the most vocal can't: their delusion runs deep. However, I bet most of the newer and not yet indoctrinated members recognize the truth.

It's a video game chill on the Cold War rhetoric u nerd

[plagueis]

heartbrand is smart b/c he uses big lawyer words

[Mac Dretti]

Take 75 to ragefire to deter PvP from 30 Nihilum. Attempt Gore with same 75, some Nilly spy leaks ambush strat.

Nihilum bard and a couple of covert OP double agents wiped your raid.

Get mad, cry hacks, cry about it not being fair even tho we followed pnp to a T.

This is why we received several elven resumes. Keep on keepn on.

[heartbrand]

Wut? Holy fuck. We wiped due to lag. Gorenaire dropped from 100 to 60% in about 9 seconds. Then, spell bars got greyed out, I was unable to HB my group, etc. Did this happen because of Nihilum? No clue. Is this why we wiped though? Absolutely. Does this deter the mission of continuing to compete whatsoever? Nope.

[HippoNipple]

Take 75 to ragefire to deter PvP from 30 Nihilum. Attempt Gore with same 75, some Nilly spy leaks ambush strat.

Nihilum bard and a couple of covert OP double agents wiped your raid.

Get mad, cry hacks, cry about it not being fair even tho we followed pnp to a T.

This is why we received several elven resumes. Keep on keep in on.

I think that many showed up because they were expecting a fight like the night before in SolB and they wanted to participate because it was fun.

Even though you didn't break the rules doesn't mean you guys aren't scum. I for one am not too worried about it, I don't even care about raid loots. I just show up to try to get in on some PvP. Last night would have been boring for me no matter which guild I was in.

You are delusional on how situations like last night persuade people to join Nhilum. Nihilum made some members ashamed to be in Nihilum last night while RD members just realized they made the right choice.

[Mac Dretti]

Prolly happened cus 115 people zerg army getting feared by gore plus nihilum bards never stop bereavin. Nawmean?

[heartbrand]

Prolly happened cus 115 people zerg army getting feared by gore plus nihilum bards never stop bereavin. Nawmean?

I've raided with TMO on blue. I haven't seen that happen with more people. This doesn't mean it had anything to do with Nihilum. Maybe it's shitty luck. Who knows, who cares. I would be worried though as a member of either guild with Velious, where both sides will be raiding with deep numbers, dragons that have 300k+ HP. If this is truly a server side issue, it needs addressing or we could be in for some bad fights.

I think the only thing people are saying is it's a bit lame sitting on corpses. It's against the Red Dawn charter, and I wouldn't do it personally. You're entitled to do it though, and I gladly logged off, played two ARAM's and went to sleep, while a bunch of nerds sat on corpses. Woke up and got my corpse npnp this morning.

[Kraftwerk]

It's a video game chill on the Cold War rhetoric u nerd

heartbrand is smart b/c he uses big lawyer words

Lol which one of the words he used is a "big lawyer word"? Rhetoric? I feel bad or u son if that is the one your considering a BLW

[Mac Dretti]

I've raided with TMO on blue. I haven't seen that happen with more people. This doesn't mean it had anything to do with Nihilum. Maybe it's shitty luck. Who knows, who cares. I would be worried though as a member of either guild with Velious, where both sides will be raiding with deep numbers, dragons that have 300k+ HP. If this is truly a server side issue, it needs addressing or we could be in for some bad fights.

I think the only thing people are saying is it's a bit lame sitting on corpses. It's against the Red Dawn charter, and I wouldn't do it personally. You're entitled to do it though, and I gladly logged off, played two ARAM's and went to sleep, while a bunch of nerds sat on corpses. Woke up and got my corpse npnp this morning.

Oh tmo has enemy guilds bereavin them? Didn't know pvp was enabled there. Also didn't know tmo did gore with 125 people cray.

Maybe you should have gotten on a port bot to help your guildies CR instead of playing aram and saying fuck it.

[Kergan]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

[Zalaerian]

I can confirm Warsaint is on nihi's roster.....

[HippoNipple]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

Going after the dragon again was never even considered. It was known RD just wanted to have a couple clerics rez there members and log. There is some truth in this post and some bullshit. It goes both ways, I understand people on both sides are biased. The fact that there are a few of you that actually believe you are doing the right thing is frightening. The majority are ashamed or trolls that were enjoying the griefing.

[Andis]

god damn pras hippos sig

[Kinamara]

The show must go on... It's January now and nothing changed...

http://i.imgur.com/Uqm6m7v.png

[Kergan]

Going after the dragon again was never even considered. It was known RD just wanted to have a couple clerics rez there members and log. There is some truth in this post and some bullshit. It goes both ways, I understand people on both sides are biased. The fact that there are a few of you that actually believe you are doing the right thing is frightening. The majority are ashamed or trolls that were enjoying the griefing.

Your intent is meaningless to us. We don't want to leave the choice in your hands. The "right thing" is always going to be relative to which side you're on. We're trying to win, because this is a player vs player server. We're stopping the players of the opposing force from making advancements. That is why there is a PVP server in the first place.

There are actually posts on this forum from your members asking why we didn't just let you have a shot at it and leave you alone. That is what you're trying to turn this server into.

And I was one of the most vocal supporters of rezzing you guys up. There were many that argued against it. In the end Exed made the decision pretty easy, and justified it even more by logging in Hollix and taunting us over it.

[heartbrand]

These forums are so bad. No one, well at least not myself, is claiming you broke any server rules. Was it lame and over the top? I think so. Does it really matter? No. Am I discouraged? Nope. Who gives a fuck.

[Kanzar]

This is directly from Sirken.



So yes, the cleric CANNOT ress his friends after being pked and forced to LNS.

My suggestion is to bring some friends and force those people out of the zone OR just wait until they leave.

You can make a player agreement and that 100% trumps the PNP. This was stated by the GM's directly. This argument is invalid.

[Kergan]

You can make a player agreement and that 100% trumps the PNP. This was stated by the GM's directly. This argument is invalid.

Good luck getting Nizzar and Heartbrand to agree on anything. Just assume that is not an option in a Nihilum vs RD/Azrael engagement. Pinch off the Azrael turds and maybe?

[heartbrand]

Good luck getting Nizzar and Heartbrand to agree on anything. Just assume that is not an option in a Nihilum vs RD/Azrael engagement. Pinch off the Azrael turds and maybe?

Dunno, I'm not the one posting holocaust pictures. I've stated multiple times I'm open to reasonable discussion.

[Twainz]

Who is this Kergan retard? Hi, I'm a nilly app and I know what WE (nilly) are all about. I have been here since last week and know everything there is to know about the server. I can type long retarded posts about how WE (nilly) are not about griefing, even though that is what our leaders are all about. WE (nilly) have never corpse camped, delvled, stripped, deleted, trained, RL attacked, used Third Party Programs or spit in the GMs faces in regards to rules. I don't know what is wrong with you Red Dawn people who are tired of nilly "griefing" anyone that does abide to their rules.

[Kergan]

Who is this Kergan retard? Hi, I'm a nilly app and I know what WE (nilly) are all about. I have been here since last week and know everything there is to know about the server. I can type long retarded posts about how WE (nilly) are not about griefing, even though that is what our leaders are all about. WE (nilly) have never corpse camped, delvled, stripped, deleted, trained, RL attacked, used Third Party Programs or spit in the GMs faces in regards to rules. I don't know what is wrong with you Red Dawn people who are tired of nilly "griefing" anyone that does abide to their rules.

I said none of these things. I've been here for 100% of the PNP which is what we're talking about.

Good deflection though. You've managed to reply without actually responding to anything in my post. I give it a B-.

[HippoNipple]

Your intent is meaningless to us. We don't want to leave the choice in your hands.

You camped corpses for 2 hours. I didn't say you had to leave it in the hands of RD to decide to do the right thing.

A leader that understands how to lead would take their 30 members and watch over a 20 minute corpse run while forcing everyone to forfeit, rez, and gate out without wasting both guilds time trying to belittle players with YT 1 naked corpse at a time.

It had nothing to do with zone control or stopping us from competing in any PvE. If you claim that you are clueless and listen to the trolls in your own guild too much.

[Andis]

Who is this Kergan retard? Hi, I'm a nilly app and I know what WE (nilly) are all about. I have been here since last week and know everything there is to know about the server. I can type long retarded posts about how WE (nilly) are not about griefing, even though that is what our leaders are all about. WE (nilly) have never corpse camped, delvled, stripped, deleted, trained, RL attacked, used Third Party Programs or spit in the GMs faces in regards to rules. I don't know what is wrong with you Red Dawn people who are tired of nilly "griefing" anyone that does abide to their rules.

i lold

[Kilbur]

If you guys wanna say you stopped us then you are admitting to lagging the zone lol. Your bard was raptured.. Server LAGs.. Yes you tried to wipe us on a bard but the fail was over lag issues... So what really happened? All I know is like most of raid dawn I wouldn't get off killing a bunch of nakeds trying to retrieve their corpse. I also wouldn't camp them and prevent an exp Rez.. If this is you and you love this bitter life I am sorry :-( were rules broken? Maybe the don't be dicks part? People in nihilum are pretty butthurt at this point and finding any loopholes around the rules to grief. You wonder why rules were even made up in the first place... Can thank nihilum for that

[Kergan]

If anything the fact I haven't been on the box for 2 years should give my opinion additional weight instead of less. I leveled up here over the last 4-5 months on my own and formed my own opinions on people.

The only people that ever did things to me that would now be protected under the PNP (corpse camping, killing naked repeatedly preventing CR, intentionally xp lossing, killing right after rez, etc) are members of Red Dawn now, or tagged in Azrael. I was killed multiple times by Nihilum, and I ate my level 52 death at the hands of Tune. They didn't grief me. Azrael did.

Guess which side I picked? Go figure.

[Kergan]

If you guys wanna say you stopped us then you are admitting to lagging the zone lol. Your bard was raptured.. Server LAGs.. Yes you tried to wipe us on a bard but the fail was over lag issues... So what really happened? All I know is like most of raid dawn I wouldn't get off killing a bunch of nakeds trying to retrieve their corpse. I also wouldn't camp them and prevent an exp Rez.. If this is you and you love this bitter life I am sorry :-( were rules broken? Maybe the don't be dicks part? People in nihilum are pretty butthurt at this point and finding any loopholes around the rules to grief. You wonder why rules were even made up in the first place... Can thank nihilum for that

So which part of it makes us dicks? The attacking you part? The AOEing your raid part? The not breaking the rules part?

[heartbrand]

I think it's unnecessary and a dick move to camp naked players. It's against my guild charter and I would never support it. Having said that, it's not against the rules, you did nothing illegal, and your within your rights to play that way. Won't discourage me or Red Dawn.

[Sektor]

Kergan is one of Thrillas RL friends. Guy came from no where. Nilly members get rewarded by nizzar the more they spam and complain. Nizzarr is pretty cheap tho.

[Kilbur]

You guys don't like the rules and I'm not a fan of a lot of them either but you keep doing shit that's going to bring even more rules in lol. Remember. Don't Be Dicks! What does this mean? I think it's the only rule we need honestly

[Kergan]

Kergan is one of Thrillas RL friends. Guy came from no where. Nilly members get rewarded by nizzar the more they spam and complain. Nizzarr is pretty cheap tho.

To be fair, we've never met IRL. We're friends from RZ. I did not use it as a shield leveling up. In fact Tune killed me in CoM the day after I submitted my app that fucking asshole. And I guess if you mean I haven't played here before as coming from nowhere, yeah you are definitely right. Not my first PVP server though.

And last I checked I hadn't received any awards for my forumquesting efforts. I do it for my own enjoyment! Is there some sort of program where I can redeem my posts for DKP I'm missing out on?

[Nirgon]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

Posts like this could literally turn it around for Nihilum.

Posting jew ovens and Eldermoran math is going to take a lot more of these to undo.

Good luck in your ForumQuest.

[Kergan]

You guys don't like the rules and I'm not a fan of a lot of them either but you keep doing shit that's going to bring even more rules in lol. Remember. Don't Be Dicks! What does this mean? I think it's the only rule we need honestly

Kilbur we've hung out before in the CoM days. You're a good dude. But if anything last night proves that if you try to create this massive set of rules it just collapses under its own weight.

I made a post not long ago that said why don't we just get leadership together and design a system that works for everyone. Both sides would need to make concessions. But I don't know if that can happen at this point, the in game stuff is turning into almost RL hatred. Or maybe actual RL hatred, I dunno.

[Witness]

the thing thats amusing to me is kergan is acting like they actually did anything to stop us from killing gore.

your bard was fucking raptured rendered useless, you guys were on the opposite side of the zone, we took gore to 65% in 15 seconds and then lag happened. nihilum pvp had absolutely nothing to do with us not killing gore.

so why you trying to act like you did anything in this fight other than log in 30 toons and run on top a pile of corpses, LOL

[HippoNipple]

the thing thats amusing to me is kergan is acting like they actually did anything to stop us from killing gore.

your bard was fucking raptured rendered useless, you guys were on the opposite side of the zone, we took gore to 65% in 15 seconds and then lag happened. nihilum pvp had absolutely nothing to do with us not killing gore.

so why you trying to act like you did anything in this fight other than log in 30 toons and run on top a pile of corpses, LOL

If Nihilum was interested in contesting the dragons they would have logged in during the dragon fights. I am impressed that many Nihilum respond to a bat phone to sit on corpses for 2 hours and grief after another guild wipes though. Scary impressive.

[Snufz]

Kilbur we've hung out before in the CoM days. You're a good dude. But if anything last night proves that if you try to create this massive set of rules it just collapses under its own weight.

I made a post not long ago that said why don't we just get leadership together and design a system that works for everyone. Both sides would need to make concessions. But I don't know if that can happen at this point, the in game stuff is turning into almost RL hatred. Or maybe actual RL hatred, I dunno.

It could of never happened, HB has always made compromises and has been open to do so.

Nizzar has gotten 99% of the pixels for the last 2 years and wants 99% for the next 20, if you're in Nihilum and you don't get this you're insane.

[heartbrand]

I am 100% open to compromise and discussion with Nizzar even with the ridiculous rhetoric. I don't think it's mutual though. I recognize this as a video game.

[mrproudbeard]

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.


This is pretty disingenuous... PnP pretty clearly states that player agreements trump all. If RD said they were willing to scoot after you let them xp rez, there's no reason you couldn't let them do that.

[chu]

i can think of several reasons not to let them do that
but then again im kinda a sick fuck

[Twainz]

I said none of these things. I've been here for 100% of the PNP which is what we're talking about.

Good deflection though. You've managed to reply without actually responding to anything in my post. I give it a B-.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

You are saying Nihilum did not want to waste their time griefing a bunch of nakeds? The server timeline says otherwise.

[chu]

twainz used to be nihilum but im pretty sure he couldnt grief a naked 52 even if they were stuck in the same wet paper bag together

[HippoNipple]

This is pretty disingenuous... PnP pretty clearly states that player agreements trump all. If RD said they were willing to scoot after you let them xp rez, there's no reason you couldn't let them do that.

Nihilum trying to use the PnP as a reason to HAVE to grief shows their ill intent or complete inability to understand basic principles. I know Nizzar has ill intent but after reading some posts like Kergan's it is clear some have the inability to understand basic principles.

[Sektor]

It could of never happened, HB has always made compromises and has been open to do so.

Nizzar has gotten 99% of the pixels for the last 2 years and wants 99% for the next 20, if you're in Nihilum and you don't get this you're insane.

[Kinamara]

Posts like this could literally turn it around for Nihilum.

Posting jew ovens and Eldermoran math is going to take a lot more of these to undo.

Good luck in your ForumQuest.

Tried, got trolled, started posting pictures instead :-)

[vouss]

poor cadence got smoked that time around, was raptured upon arrival and instantly dropped to low HP agro, would of got texted if not for greyed out spell bars.

[Mac Dretti]

Cadence 2-0 vs RD Gorenaire raids

[Aruden]

For all the Nihilum trying to spin this story, you're not convincing anyone. I have no doubt that the rules will be adjusted to prohibit this kind of behavior in the future.

Red Dawn, keep up the good work. They're trying to demoralize you, but in the process, they are discrediting themselves in the eyes of the player-base and staff.

Staff changed rules for precisely this kind of behavior and I have no doubt that they will side against Nihilum yet again.

[Twainz]

twainz used to be nihilum but im pretty sure he couldnt grief a naked 52 even if they were stuck in the same wet paper bag together

Wasn't it you plugging to Tyva in guk? Didn't you also plug from Twainz in the same area a long time ago? Didn't I kill Beck, Dazey, make Loudog gate and almost kill you in OOT 4v1? Yaw , you still bad at PvP and Forumquest dawg.

[Mac Dretti]

Nihilum exp rezzes red dawn and does so in a way that guarantees nobody is slain more than once to ensure proper PnP LnS and then the nerds come cry about it

Good stuff

[heartbrand]

I think people are commenting that there was no reason to sit on corpses @ all. It's like shooting someone in the leg and then offering to patch it up if you let them shoot the other leg first. But it was legal, and we will keep on competing.

[Snufz]

yes thank you great nihilum overlords for the generous rez and slaying upon loading zone.

Thank u great massah o benevolent one.

no ty will log. ya'll gotta work for dat YT on ol snufz.

[Bamz4l]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

lol... u srs? they just wanted to get their corpses rezzed and leave, which you apparently did not allow

[Aruden]

Fact:
Nihilum griefed RD using a loophole in the new rules.

Fact:
There was no actual PVP, unless you count killing naked people.

Fact:
That is the kind of imbalanced PVP Nihilum is trying to create on this server.

Mac, you're not fooling anyone. You're just making Nihilum look even worse. Everyone gets it. You're proud of what you did. Everyone else (not in Nihilum) thinks you're a jerk, and I have no doubt that the GMs will concur. Looking forward to their response.

[vouss]

lol exed played you Kergan you bluebie faggot

[chu]

Wasn't it you plugging to Tyva in guk? Didn't you also plug from Twainz in the same area a long time ago? Didn't I kill Beck, Dazey, make Loudog gate and almost kill you in OOT 4v1? Yaw , you still bad at PvP and Forumquest dawg.

1) doubt it

2) no

3) doesn't sound familiar, unless you mean the time you were trying to bindcamp beck when he was afk all day... think u killed beck (naked and afk) and then ran oom trying to kill me (geared players too hard?)

bonus) naked players too hard too? twainz literally trying to corpsecamp a DDOS pve death
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/EQ004419_zpse71f065b.png

like i said, u couldnt grief a naked 52 even if you were both stuck in the same wet paper bag. after this screenshot you begged for mercy, something the along the lines of "please stop, im just trying to talk to zade so i can get the twainz account unbanned"

[freez]

the thing thats amusing to me is kergan is acting like they actually did anything to stop us from killing gore.

your bard was fucking raptured rendered useless, you guys were on the opposite side of the zone, we took gore to 65% in 15 seconds and then lag happened. nihilum pvp had absolutely nothing to do with us not killing gore.

so why you trying to act like you did anything in this fight other than log in 30 toons and run on top a pile of corpses, LOL



:D

[freez]

hey uh chewie could ya piss off?


lvl 50 + players talking here.

[Nirgon]

Tried, got trolled, started posting pictures instead :-)

You failed. Kergan succeeded.

If I'm buying any of the Nihilum is trying to get along stuff, I'm buying it from him right now.

[Zalaerian]

Witness spouting off truth here. Nihilum had nothing to do w us wiping aside from ZONECMDing the shit out of DL

[Mac Dretti]

Red Dawn and friends are a competing guild. Nihilum had an ambush setup for the Gore raid since you had 2x the people and we couldn't contest Ragefire. Luckily for Red Dawn a leak in Nihilum warned RD what we were doing and so Nilly had a bard prepare to aoe the RD raid after Gore was pulled and Nihilum charged from across zone (something RD would never do cus they think PvP is impossibru without 90 people).

Your under leveled and under geared raid ate Gorenair fears and then Cadence the Nihilum bard started aoe mezzing/bereaving the raid preventing you from performing any actions. I understand some may have experienced lag from these dense pixels landing on 85 player characters, dealwithit outplayed.

Per the Play Nice Policy we are allowed to slay every member on a PvE corpse run and then grant them Loot and Scoot after that. Since you are the competing guild, YES we are going to make you take your YT of shame
I'm sorry that if a single YT per character is "GRIEF" then perhaps this isn't the server or play style for you. Blue offers a raid scene with no PvP. Dealwithit
Jpg.

At first we were killing everyone that ported in, while having a running list in guild chat of every PvP slain person so that nobody would break PnP and attack someone more than once. PLAY NICE AND LNS CONFIRMED.

After guild discussion we thought a cleaner, and more expedited way of offering LnS to the genuine players of RD (sorry no Azrael scum eligible), would be to grant them a rez, YT them, and rez them back full exp so they can continue their adventures in Norrath while also protecting ourselves from accident violating LnS.

Those RD that sent me tells explaining how RD officers and porters all rage quit and they had no one to help them port in to take their YT of shame after Exed ruined it by plugging disgracefully, we felt bad for them. RD officers should have been taxing people to their LnS process instead of being mad and starting cry threads and playing other games.

Those who received their YT of shame gracefully were able to LnS and enjoy the rest of their night in Norrath. Many got their lost levels back after Nihilum rezzed them, some made a few plat by being able to go take their geared bodies to the bank to make a sell, and others went on to form exp groups.

Without PnP and LnS none of this would have been possible. For that we should all be thankful.

Those that are mad and afraid of getting YTD, it's only a game.

[Sektor]

but I'm not in the guild anymore I thought I was the leak?????

[heartbrand]

Red Dawn and friends are a competing guild. Nihilum had an ambush setup for the Gore raid since you had 2x the people and we couldn't contest Ragefire. Luckily for Red Dawn a leak in Nihilum warned RD what we were doing and so Nilly had a bard prepare to aoe the RD raid after Gore was pulled and Nihilum charged from across zone (something RD would never do cus they think PvP is impossibru without 90 people).

Your under leveled and under geared raid ate Gorenair fears and then Cadence the Nihilum bard started aoe mezzing/bereaving the raid preventing you from performing any actions. I understand some may have experienced lag from these dense pixels landing on 85 player characters, dealwithit outplayed.

Per the Play Nice Policy we are allowed to slay every member on a PvE corpse run and then grant them Loot and Scoot after that. Since you are the competing guild, YES we are going to make you take your YT of shame
I'm sorry that if a single YT per character is "GRIEF" then perhaps this isn't the server or play style for you. Blue offers a raid scene with no PvP. Dealwithit
Jpg.

At first we were killing everyone that ported in, while having a running list in guild chat of every PvP slain person so that nobody would break PnP and attack someone more than once. PLAY NICE AND LNS CONFIRMED.

After guild discussion we thought a cleaner, and more expedited way of offering LnS to the genuine players of RD (sorry no Azrael scum eligible), would be to grant them a rez, YT them, and rez them back full exp so they can continue their adventures in Norrath while also protecting ourselves from accident violating LnS.

Those RD that sent me tells explaining how RD officers and porters all rage quit and they had no one to help them port in to take their YT of shame after Exed ruined it by plugging disgracefully, we felt bad for them. RD officers should have been taxing people to their LnS process instead of being mad and starting cry threads and playing other games.

Those who received their YT of shame gracefully were able to LnS and enjoy the rest of their night in Norrath. Many got their lost levels back after Nihilum rezzed them, some made a few plat by being able to go take their geared bodies to the bank to make a sell, and others went on to form exp groups.

Without PnP and LnS none of this would have been possible. For that we should all be thankful.

Those that are mad and afraid of getting YTD, it's only a game.

We were told we weren't allowed to rez players. Porting people was pointless, because there was no way for them to receive an EXP rez on their corpse, all it accomplished was them looting and losing the EXP. Hence, there was nothing to do but log off and get the corpses the following day. Appreciate that wall of text tho.

p.s. No one leaked, it was just blatantly obvious to master tactician emperor heartbrand that camping @ BW would be the logical strat for Nihilum to employ.

[Kergan]

the thing thats amusing to me is kergan is acting like they actually did anything to stop us from killing gore.

your bard was fucking raptured rendered useless, you guys were on the opposite side of the zone, we took gore to 65% in 15 seconds and then lag happened. nihilum pvp had absolutely nothing to do with us not killing gore.

so why you trying to act like you did anything in this fight other than log in 30 toons and run on top a pile of corpses, LOL

You've killed Gore before right?

[Kergan]

We were told we weren't allowed to rez players. Porting people was pointless, because there was no way for them to receive an EXP rez on their corpse, all it accomplished was them looting and losing the EXP. Hence, there was nothing to do but log off and get the corpses the following day. Appreciate that wall of text tho.

p.s. No one leaked, it was just blatantly obvious to master tactician emperor heartbrand that camping @ BW would be the logical strat for Nihilum to employ.

We were actively rezzing exp loss corpses after players accepted YT until Exed plugged. If we let you rez your own there is no YT and no ability to force LNS.

Sorry we had to play by the rules.

[heartbrand]

We were actively rezzing exp loss corpses after players accepted YT until Exed plugged. If we let you rez your own there is no YT and no ability to force LNS.

Sorry we had to play by the rules.

No one forced you to kill people. That was a decision made by your guild. Are you dense? I was responding to retti who claimed leadership didn't help. There was nothing I could do. I couldn't bring Selena to rez people because I'd be killed. I could port people for them to die instantly and port them again, but that wouldn't assist them in receiving a rez. I can't force someone who plugged and logged off TS to magically reappear and uplug. Contrary to popular notion, I don't possess that ability.

[freez]

retti 100% delusional


zone hiccupped for 30 seconds. it wasn't because of the players in DL. Ive seen 200 people in DL and it didn't lag this way.

it was a strange kind of lag too. character and dragon model never warped or stuttered. dragon AoE timer working perfectly, spells greyed out.


it wasn't like a normal hiccup where everything freezes for a few seconds then all the action happens at once.



laughing all the way to the bank bro.

[HippoNipple]

At first we were killing everyone that ported in, while having a running list in guild chat of every PvP slain person so that nobody would break PnP and attack someone more than once. PLAY NICE AND LNS CONFIRMED.

RD officers should have been taxing people to their LnS process instead of being mad and starting cry threads and playing other games.

.

Oh god, is it possible that Nihilum was actually trying to kill porters then have them port people back to catch them on entering a zone they were killed in to ban them? I hope for your souls that wasn't the entire point of your bat phone last night lol.

[Mac Dretti]

Um, I said NIHILUM was rezing PVE corpses full exp.

Carry on

[heartbrand]

Rezes were being done on a selective basis. I'm not going to spend 5 hours porting people to die, port them again, and selectively be rezzed, and p.s., neither would Nizzar. Not only that, after my porter bot would be YT'ed, my porter would be prohibited from even returning to the zone! The correct move was to log off and let a bunch of people waste multiple hours sitting on pve corpses. Giving into terrorism is retarded in all forms. If that upset a few people who would guild remove over something like that, then god bless them should they wipe to a ToV dragon and be unable to CR for days.

[freez]

naw


facts tho -

nihi didn't even try to contest ragefire - scared

nihi didn't even try to contest gore, but as soon as the dragon is engaged the zone crashes.. hmm..

nihi batphones 30 to sit on naked players who 1/2 plug after receiving a free rez and lolling at nilly.

bwahaha

[heartbrand]

I love how when nilly had 50+ for raids and there was nothing but disorganized small crews the nilly stance was "PLAY BETTER LOL RECRUIT MORE HEHEHEHEH" but when Red Dawn does it, it's "ZERG OMGOMGOMG". You guys take this shit way 2 serious, camping pve corpses @ 2am in the morning, god bless you pals.

[Mac Dretti]

Oh god, is it possible that Nihilum was actually trying to kill porters then have them port people back to catch them on entering a zone they were killed in to ban them? I hope for your souls that wasn't the entire point of your bat phone last night lol.

Uh no sorry that's the RD way. Reread my post and tell me we didn't play nice.

All those RD sub 60s that got their corpses rezzed in exchange for a single meaningless YT that got to play the rest of the night, was that grief?

The only grief that occurred was the mental grief than the vocal warriors endured by being outplayed and having Nihilum tax them and humiliate them by having them either log off or concede to powerless YT.

Welcome to PvP.

We played nice and had fun.

Hope nobody quits and RD continues to compete.

[Elderan]

nihi didn't even try to contest ragefire - scared

You had 65 for ragefire, we had 25.

nihi didn't even try to contest gore, but as soon as the dragon is engaged the zone crashes.. hmm..

Our plan was to kill Red Dawn.

nihi batphones 30 to sit on naked players who 1/2 plug after receiving a free rez and lolling at nilly.

I did not get any such bat phone.

Just the FACTS

[HippoNipple]

We were actively rezzing exp loss corpses after players accepted YT until Exed plugged. If we let you rez your own there is no YT and no ability to force LNS.

Sorry we had to play by the rules.

Even though there was 20 YT last night. I will not add it to the battle list.

Actively rezzing people, looks like 20 out of 75 people got rezzes.

As for not being able to force LnS why can't you force people to either die or scoot if they are sitting there with rez effects and you have 30 people watching over them? If a guild forfeits a zone it is the exact same result as YT one person at a time over 2 hours. You are trying to read too much into the PnP rules and use them to grief instead of understanding the point and being men about it. Being little bitches cost both sides time last night, the sad part is it actually cost you guys more time than anyone.

[Kergan]

No one forced you to kill people. That was a decision made by your guild. Are you dense? I was responding to retti who claimed leadership didn't help. There was nothing I could do. I couldn't bring Selena to rez people because I'd be killed. I could port people for them to die instantly and port them again, but that wouldn't assist them in receiving a rez. I can't force someone who plugged and logged off TS to magically reappear and uplug. Contrary to popular notion, I don't possess that ability.

Again...pvp server. It's harder here. You can't always just rez up and go about your business. You can call it an asshole move or you can respect it as a demoralizing victory for Nihilum...doesn't really matter. If Nizzar doesn't want to negotiate that's up to him, I'm a pawn on the chestboard at best. But I was campaigning (somewhat successfully) to do full exp rezzes on all RD after YT up until the Exed thing. I think even you can understand why Nizzar called off the rezzing at that point.

The one thing I can say is, I believe doing any rezzing at all was a good faith gesture by Nihilum. For all the crying about how every opportunity to grief was taken last night, nowhere does it say or even imply that any rezzes have to be given. The rezzes were explicitly ordered by Nizzar, it wasn't people going rogue and doing it. Nobody is arguing rules were broken for once. I haven't seen any calls for bans. It is certainly your prerogative to argue for additional PNP rules to cover what happened last night though.

I guess my point is, Nizzar could have made it worse on you and he chose not to.

[HippoNipple]

Uh no sorry that's the RD way. Reread my post and tell me we didn't play nice.

All those RD sub 60s that got their corpses rezzed in exchange for a single meaningless YT that got to play the rest of the night, was that grief?

The only grief that occurred was the mental grief than the vocal warriors endured by being outplayed and having Nihilum tax them and humiliate them by having them either log off or concede to powerless YT.

Welcome to PvP.

We played nice and had fun.

Hope nobody quits and RD continues to compete.

I understand denying what really went on for the sake of forum questing and saying the same thing over and over again. On the other hand I hope you don't actually believe it.

Either way you make yourself look ignorant or like a dick.

Keep going buddy.

[Sektor]

You had 65 for ragefire, we had 25.



Our plan was to kill Red Dawn.



I did not get any such bat phone.

Just the FACTS

you're lying. Retti sent me a text with the pic of the bat phone call. lol.

[heartbrand]

Again...pvp server. It's harder here. You can't always just rez up and go about your business. You can call it an asshole move or you can respect it as a demoralizing victory for Nihilum...doesn't really matter. If Nizzar doesn't want to negotiate that's up to him, I'm a pawn on the chestboard at best. But I was campaigning (somewhat successfully) to do full exp rezzes on all RD after YT up until the Exed thing. I think even you can understand why Nizzar called off the rezzing at that point.

The one thing I can say is, I believe doing any rezzing at all was a good faith gesture by Nihilum. For all the crying about how every opportunity to grief was taken last night, nowhere does it say or even imply that any rezzes have to be given. The rezzes were explicitly ordered by Nizzar, it wasn't people going rogue and doing it. Nobody is arguing rules were broken for once. I haven't seen any calls for bans. It is certainly your prerogative to argue for additional PNP rules to cover what happened last night though.

I guess my point is, Nizzar could have made it worse on you and he chose not to.

Agree to disagree.

[Kergan]

Actively rezzing people, looks like 20 out of 75 people got rezzes.

As for not being able to force LnS why can't you force people to either die or scoot if they are sitting there with rez effects and you have 30 people watching over them? If a guild forfeits a zone it is the exact same result as YT one person at a time over 2 hours. You are trying to read too much into the PnP rules and use them to grief instead of understanding the point and being men about it. Being little bitches cost both sides time last night, the sad part is it actually cost you guys more time than anyone.

This has been covered multiple times. The rezzes stopped when Exed abused it and plugged.

Die in PVE and scoot is not covered by server policy. PKing someone and forcing LNS is. I guess Nizzar made the call to go with the rules the GMs have laid out of us instead of making stuff up.

[Kergan]

Agree to disagree.

Ok. :)

[Mac Dretti]

you're lying. Retti sent me a text with the pic of the bat phone call. lol.

?

Same people that were in T'S to contest Ragefire before Rd amassed 70 people were the same people that relocated to DL before RD even spawned ragefire.

[Nirgon]

Retti you leakin?

[HippoNipple]

Again...pvp server. It's harder here. You can't always just rez up and go about your business. You can call it an asshole move or you can respect it as a demoralizing victory for Nihilum...doesn't really matter. If Nizzar doesn't want to negotiate that's up to him. But I was campaigning (somewhat successfully) to do full exp rezzes on all RD after YT up until the Exed thing. I think even you can understand why Nizzar called off the rezzing at that point.

The one thing I can say is, I believe doing any rezzing at all was a good faith gesture by Nihilum. For all the crying about how every opportunity to grief was taken last night, nowhere does it say or even imply that any rezzes have to be given. The rezzes were explicitly ordered by Nizzar, it wasn't people going rogue and doing it. Nobody is arguing rules were broken for once. I haven't seen any calls for bans. It is certainly your prerogative to argue for additional PNP rules to cover what happened last night though.

I guess my point is, Nizzar could have made it worse on you and he chose not to.

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I'm a pawn on the chestboard at best.

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[mrproudbeard]

Again...pvp server. It's harder here. You can't always just rez up and go about your business. You can call it an asshole move or you can respect it as a demoralizing victory for Nihilum...doesn't really matter. If Nizzar doesn't want to negotiate that's up to him, I'm a pawn on the chestboard at best. But I was campaigning (somewhat successfully) to do full exp rezzes on all RD after YT up until the Exed thing. I think even you can understand why Nizzar called off the rezzing at that point.

The one thing I can say is, I believe doing any rezzing at all was a good faith gesture by Nihilum. For all the crying about how every opportunity to grief was taken last night, nowhere does it say or even imply that any rezzes have to be given. The rezzes were explicitly ordered by Nizzar, it wasn't people going rogue and doing it. Nobody is arguing rules were broken for once. I haven't seen any calls for bans. It is certainly your prerogative to argue for additional PNP rules to cover what happened last night though.

I guess my point is, Nizzar could have made it worse on you and he chose not to.

Use common sense and don't be a dick.

You write a lot of words to justify wasting the time of a lot of people. The fact that you think you need a "demoralizing victory" in Everquest kind of speaks volumes. We could all try playing to have fun, saying "good game" to each other at the end of a fight, and moving on to the next battle? The fuck does this have to be so serious for?

[Rellapse36]

Ty Retti for being the Nilly leak

[Kergan]

You write a lot of words to justify wasting the time of a lot of people. The fact that you think you need a "demoralizing victory" in Everquest kind of speaks volumes. We could all try playing to have fun, saying "good game" to each other at the end of a fight, and moving on to the next battle? The fuck does this have to be so serious for?

We don't "need" to fight each other at all, but we do. Explain how yesterday could have played out differently where you wouldn't be calling everyone from Nihilum's side a dick? This is without RD getting a Gore kill while also forcing them to leave the zone so they couldn't make another attempt. Or are you saying you should have just got repeated uncontested attempts at Gore? Keep in mind any solution must be within the GM designed ruleset.

[Mac Dretti]

Thanks for complying with PnP and not letting your fragile baby blue feelings get hurt

[freez]

You had 65 for ragefire, we had 25.




sounds familiar




enjoy the zerg.

[mrproudbeard]

We don't "need" to fight each other at all, but we do. Explain how yesterday could have played out differently where you wouldn't be calling everyone from Nihilum's side a dick? This is without RD getting a Gore kill while also forcing them to leave the zone so they couldn't make another attempt. Or are you saying you should have just got repeated uncontested attempts at Gore? Keep in mind any solution must be within the GM designed ruleset.

Lol seriously? Both sides could have tried TALKING with each other instead of opting for the "waste everyone's time" route. RD could have asked for LNS despite not actually dying to pvp, realizing the situation they were in. Nihilum could have allowed them to xp rez their folks and get out of dodge.

Remember, PNP is trumped by anything the parties involved agree to. It's not that hard to act like civil people to one another after a fight. We're all here to enjoy Everquest right? Taking the stance that "we didn't WANT to do this but we HAD to do this because of the PNP" is just being obtuse.

For the record, I wasn't involved in the fight at all last night. I logged in at the tail end of it and would have been too low level to be involved anyway. I still see plenty of people behaving like complete dickheads to each other.

[freez]

The rezzes were explicitly ordered by Nizzar, it wasn't people going rogue and doing it.


I guess my point is, Nizzar could have made it worse on you and he chose not to.


lol #1

lol #2

[Kergan]

Lol seriously? Both sides could have tried TALKING with each other instead of opting for the "waste everyone's time" route. RD could have asked for LNS despite not actually dying to pvp, realizing the situation they were in. Nihilum could have allowed them to xp rez their folks and get out of dodge.

Remember, PNP is trumped by anything the parties involved agree to. It's not that hard to act like civil people to one another after a fight. We're all here to enjoy Everquest right? Taking the stance that "we didn't WANT to do this but we HAD to do this because of the PNP" is just being obtuse.

For the record, I wasn't involved in the fight at all last night. I logged in at the tail end of it and would have been too low level to be involved anyway. I still see plenty of people behaving like complete dickheads to each other.

So have HB type one line of text in OOC and pretend nothing happened? Being civil doesn't mean making it easy.

[mrproudbeard]

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.


That's the statement I'm arguing against. If that was the prevailing mindset of Nihilum last night that's the only thing I'm trying to point at. You are admitting it was a waste of time on your part to waste RD's time in such a manner. How is ANYONE winning in this situation? It's maddening. Let's just save all of ourselves time and say good game and move on to the next battle. If Nihilum couldn't/didn't want to kill Gore last night then RD could have tried again in an hour and you could have fought with them again in an hour. If Nihilum wanted Gore, after Red Dawn finished their cr/rez scoot you would have had ample time to do it and enjoy the spoils of your victory.

Instead, the option chosen was to spend the time offering to rez people in twice just so you could YT them once. The option that you claim "none of us wanted." Wake up and don't pick the option that "none of us wanted" next time? Look at that, the server slowly becomes a more enjoyable place for us to all Everquest on!

[Snufz]

Ya'll need to find Jesus.

[quido]

Kergan do you maybe know where I could get a good deal on some auto parts on the internet? Or maybe some halter tops?

[Kergan]

Kergan do you maybe know where I could get a good deal on some auto parts on the internet? Or maybe some halter tops?

amazon.com bro. I roll prime style.

[Kergan]

That's the statement I'm arguing against. If that was the prevailing mindset of Nihilum last night that's the only thing I'm trying to point at. You are admitting it was a waste of time on your part to waste RD's time in such a manner. How is ANYONE winning in this situation? It's maddening. Let's just save all of ourselves time and say good game and move on to the next battle. If Nihilum couldn't/didn't want to kill Gore last night then RD could have tried again in an hour and you could have fought with them again in an hour. If Nihilum wanted Gore, after Red Dawn finished their cr/rez scoot you would have had ample time to do it and enjoy the spoils of your victory.

Instead, the option chosen was to spend the time offering to rez people in twice just so you could YT them once. The option that you claim "none of us wanted." Wake up and don't pick the option that "none of us wanted" next time? Look at that, the server slowly becomes a more enjoyable place for us to all Everquest on!

I think Gore got a Nihilum tag last night so I'm not sure if we're permitted to attack her anymore. :)

I guess for me it is pretty simple. Just allowing someone to say in ooc "we give up" and then allowing a full CR is completely painless. There is no consideration of risk vs. reward of engaging a raid target. If RD would have given up contesting raid targets for 48 hours or something maybe if it were up to me I'd consider it?

You act like even your enemies are here for your enjoyment, it's kinda weird. Most people choose a PVP server because they enjoy the challenge of it. You've never hunted until you've hunted man! And for clarification what none of us wanted to do was have to deal with all the YTing to get zone control nonsense. Wiping your raid and making it a painful CR is a valid strategy in elven pixel warfare.

I really honestly do not mean this as an insult to you or your guild, but this general attitude of lets all have a friendly battle and go on our merry way is what the arena on a blue server for.

[freez]

tldr

[HippoNipple]

I think Gore got a Nihilum tag last night so I'm not sure if we're permitted to attack her anymore. :)

I guess for me it is pretty simple. Just allowing someone to say in ooc "we give up" and then allowing a full CR is completely painless. There is no consideration of risk vs. reward of engaging a raid target. If RD would have given up contesting raid targets for 48 hours or something maybe if it were up to me I'd consider it?

You act like even your enemies are here for your enjoyment, it's kinda weird. Most people choose a PVP server because they enjoy the challenge of it. You've never hunted until you've hunted man! And for clarification what none of us wanted to do was have to deal with all the YTing to get zone control nonsense. Wiping your raid and making it a painful CR is a valid strategy in elven pixel warfare.

I really honestly do not mean this as an insult to you or your guild, but this general attitude of lets all have a friendly battle and go on our merry way is what the arena on a blue server for.

You are reading too far into this and have immersed yourself into dangerous levels. PvP environments have existed where friendly competition occurred without nerd raging and sick rl hatred towards a guild from a 14 year old game.

Last night had nothing to do with competition or PvP. It was just a waste of time and as you mentioned a strategy to sacrifice 2 hours of your time at 1:00 am in the morning to "demoralize" a group of people lol. You are border line insane.

[heartbrand]

dunno literally was not griefed, wiped to a pve mob and logged with no YT after getting ragefire for 3rd night in a row

[Mac Dretti]

dunno literally was not griefed, wiped to a pve mob and logged with no YT after getting ragefire for 3rd night in a row

Shrug the non 60s that still wanted to play that night were a little let down they couldn't get help on cr. Luckily we were there to rez.

[heartbrand]

Per prior post, was against PNP rules for me to port people in after being YT'ed on porter, and was not allowed to rez. Best move when people are being dicks like that is to log off.

[freez]

thx for saving the day

[Kilbur]

Like I said. You guys wanna be dicks for now on you can LnS but no PVE exp rezes sorry:-( sorry if I accidently don't get the kill shot if I see you fighting mobs too.. My bad

[heartbrand]

Also, please stop claiming you were there to save the day when you initiated the action. It's laughable and poor logic.

[Mac Dretti]

Your welcome

[Kilbur]

Obv when we wiped and there was now 30 of you in the zone. You now controlled the zone. This is where PNp comes in to play. Our intention was to Rez up and leave the zone.. If this is the only way u guys can play then so be it.. Luckily I have other things I can do outside the game. No grief here but if you don't see this as a dick move then you got probs. I could careless though if there was no PNp in place it would be time to log anyways while 30 douche bags camp corpses and tell ghost stories in TS

[Aruden]

lol @ mac dretti's delusions. what a white knight. saved 8 people from the evil, selfish hb. what a joke. not convincing anyone and making yourself look like an unbelievable dousche.

[Mac Dretti]

Your welcome

Anytime pal

[freez]

YOUR


YUR

[Mac Dretti]

Yer wellcom

[chu]

Obv when we wiped and there was now 30 of you in the zone. You now controlled the zone. This is where PNp comes in to play. Our intention was to Rez up and leave the zone.. If this is the only way u guys can play then so be it.. Luckily I have other things I can do outside the game. No grief here but if you don't see this as a dick move then you got probs. I could careless though if there was no PNp in place it would be time to log anyways while 30 douche bags camp corpses and tell ghost stories in TS

doubt it! red dawn is known abusers of LNS: they love to loot, but when its time to SCOOT they play dumb and continue doing whatever the fuck they wanna do
best way to prevent this is prevent them from looting

[freez]

chu would know. he is a factor. he was there



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OqZN6_qdt6I/UXpeQ9OMSdI/AAAAAAAALXg/lCI63SlMawU/s1600/praying-mantis-lol.gif

[Mac Dretti]

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/firetorpedos_zps0c514b98.jpg

[Technique]

Per prior post, was against PNP rules for me to port people in after being YT'ed on porter, and was not allowed to rez. Best move when people are being dicks like that is to log off.Pretty funny that the PNP not only enables but legalizes more grief in those situations than was possible before it existed.

[Colgate]

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/firetorpedos_zps0c514b98.jpg

[tehruoh]

70 people die to Gore(server lag don't ask) and Nihi comes 30 deep and sits on bodies.

Forcing ONE yt per person, as agreed. Good.

BUT, once they kill a cleric, he can only loot and leave - and not res the raid, we are willing to all LNS, we are willing to take 1 YT each, but we all want EXP res's and wish nothing negative to the other side.

Please clarify that clerics can stay and res their fallen LNSing people, at the very least having to take 2 res's from 1 YT if it's a must, but unnecessary really.

why do you have to cry about every little thing? you died to the dragon, Nihilum prob rezzed those of you who arent complete assholes and allowed you to loot n scoot.
Why should a cleric be allowed to stay and rez the entire raid force? Its loot n scoot, not Loot, rez your raid and scoot.

Heres another idea.

Why not just log the hell off and save your rez timer, and come back later? the outside world can be so much fun if you arent some socially awkward outcast.

[freez]

someone trained yetis before gore








take a wild guess what was yelled into vent

[freez]

http://i50.tinypic.com/xpvqsy.gif

[tehruoh]

someone trained yetis before gore


take a wild guess what was yelled into vent



the yeti thing has more comedic value than anything to Kaylea, we are glad that It amuses you.

[Tradesonred]

I personally never argued that you guys broke any rules. As I said I think you guys came up with a good way to grief exp deaths from a PvE wipe last night.

It is really dumb to keep saying PnP forces you to grief, they allowed you to in this instance. PnP are guidelines on how to act when two parties can't be civil with each other. The rules don't force you to sit on corpses and PvP people on corpse runs one by one. I for one can take comfort that I'm in a guild that wouldn't act this way. Some people in your guild were upset they had to do that last night as some /t to me personally indicated as they were saying sorry.

You guys decided to bat phone 30 level 60's to grief within the rules last night. That was obviously your goal and you obtained it by sitting on corpses for a couple hours. RD was trying to do some PvE and got 1 out of 2 dragons. That pretty much wraps up Everquest on 1/7/2014.

What to take away from it is Red Dawn will continue to progress as Nihilum continues to be toxic to the server. If GMs want to promote a healthy server, as they stated they do, then more stupid rules will come into play to handcuff toxic players like Nizzar from griefing the server.

It is dumb they have to do that but you guys bring it on yourselves and then blame RD for it. GMs see what goes on and they make these rules up on their own. They are the most unbiased and in my opinion more qualified to make judgement than anyone arguing for what Nihilum did last night.

Its in clear violation of article 7.2 of the PnP code, Paragraph 3:

"Intentionally causing experience-loss to other players in the PvP environment is illegal in all cases and will result in a warning when witnessed by a P99CSR"

[Bazia]

I have to say them not letting a CLR rez people after granting one specific person LnS is not grief in anyway.

Come to the next zone, ask for LnS and if granted loot your shit and leave.

I honestly can't believe how much you are crying about 7% exp or getting a port when literally everyone on the server has access to some kind of druid/wiz port mule.

For fucks sake.

[HippoNipple]

I have to say them not letting a CLR rez people after granting one specific person LnS is not grief in anyway.

Come to the next zone, ask for LnS and if granted loot your shit and leave.

I honestly can't believe how much you are crying about 7% exp or getting a port when literally everyone on the server has access to some kind of druid/wiz port mule.

For fucks sake.

It was just the PvE exp loss people were annoyed at. I guess means more to some than others. I think everyone has moved on, just wanted to share thoughts.

[Bazia]

Yeah but after seeing Stasis cry about it in a dozen threads it's getting pretty pathetic.

7% exp is a joke and being too lazy to get a port or switch to a port mule is laughable.

[HippoNipple]

There is a reason why people don't like the policy. It was being used as an excuse to ban certain people who are perceived as 'Villains' while everyone else simply got a slap on the wrist.

GMs don't care who are "villains." They just ban people that break rules. You nuts.

[Kilbur]

Btw chewie I leave people alone on CRs and funny enough Khop from FoH starts casting dots on me as a wizard is trying to attack me pally too so not sure what u were trying to say there. Can't blame him though just means he doesn't like safe CRs

[Rallyd]

out of the 30 or so toxic players in red dawn, it is just happen-stance that not a single red dawn has been suspended for more than the 30 seconds it took heartbrand to fill in his paypal information, however for some of the same crimes that we have all witnessed red dawn do on a daily basis, nihilum gets 30 days if the GM's even wake up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning.

[HippoNipple]

out of the 30 or so toxic players in red dawn, it is just happen-stance that not a single red dawn has been suspended for more than the 30 seconds it took heartbrand to fill in his paypal information, however for some of the same crimes that we have all witnessed red dawn do on a daily basis, nihilum gets 30 days if the GM's even wake up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning.

: )

[Colgate]

out of the 30 or so toxic players in red dawn, it is just happen-stance that not a single red dawn has been suspended for more than the 30 seconds it took heartbrand to fill in his paypal information, however for some of the same crimes that we have all witnessed red dawn do on a daily basis, nihilum gets 30 days if the GM's even wake up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning.

cry more about your scumbag friends getting banned you fat virgin nerd

[Rallyd]

This just in, Macaulay Culkin is mad. ^^^

[Silent]

All this talk of batphoning to grief a bunch of red dawn, Damn wtf did my batphone get lost in the tubes of the interweb? I surely would have woken up at the chance if a batphone were sent.

[mikemandella]

out of the 30 or so toxic players in red dawn, it is just happen-stance that not a single red dawn has been suspended for more than the 30 seconds it took heartbrand to fill in his paypal information, however for some of the same crimes that we have all witnessed red dawn do on a daily basis, nihilum gets 30 days if the GM's even wake up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning.

Suggesting RMT... Staff corruption and favoritism... This is ban worthy offense... In game.

-Oppressor

[quido]

Did you guys know that Rallyd used to crash Fear on blue when CT was up so the zone would repop and they could repeatedly farm draco?

[Rellapse36]

Did you guys know that Rallyd used to crash Fear on blue when CT was up so the zone would repop and they could repeatedly farm draco?

I remember this clearly funny RallyD was on his bard when we attempted Gore and the zone crashed.

[Mac Dretti]

http://images.sugarscape.com/userfiles/image/AAAAAJULY2013/LINDS/Week1/3Weds/tumblr_mpc3fhpVSY1sv080ao4_500.gif

[HippoNipple]

http://images.sugarscape.com/userfiles/image/AAAAAJULY2013/LINDS/Week1/3Weds/tumblr_mpc3fhpVSY1sv080ao4_500.gif

Trying to make Jennifer Lawrence look ugly, what a dick.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/jennifer-lawrence-sideboob-spirit-awards-2013-gi-01.jpg

There, thats better.

[Sektor]

cry more about your scumbag friends getting banned you fat virgin nerd

lmao